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WR Ja'Marr Chase, CIN (1 Viewer)
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LionOfGosforth
Footballguy
Anyone think Higgins is a screaming value this year, particularly based on Chase not practicing? I mean i'm sure Chase will play and be good as time goes on but Higgins has had good chemistry with Burrow in the past and might be a nice play early on.
The General
Footballguy
This has nightmare fantasy season written all over. Limited snaps week one if at all, hamstring injury, sit out a month, then a big game or two after season has been wrecked.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
"Is this the man who crashed thru MoP's window?
Who disabled an unmarked Draft spot with a banana?
Who lured Sharks and Pikers to a gross dereliction of duty at a strip tease establishment?
Is this the man who ruined the buffet at the Ministry's Club this morning?
I just bet you are the pride of your Redraft league back in Cincinnati..."
Chaka
Footballguy
A week ago, we thought he was in and going to practice while CeeDee & Aiyuk were still holding out. Chase was flying up my board to, maybe #2WR overall (Tyreek) and the other two were dropping.
Now, I'm glad my main draft was last Saturday and CeeDee fell to me @ 1.06 (superflex, it happens).
It's wild but, I'm very down on him for September at least at this point.
Now, I'm glad my main draft was last Saturday and CeeDee fell to me @ 1.06 (superflex, it happens).
It's wild but, I'm very down on him for September at least at this point.
jm192
Footballguy
PPR $$$ draft tonight. Picking 6th. Was planning on Top 5 WR no matter what. If I’m left with Chase or RB, I’ll pull the RB trigger.
Thought I got a huge deal on Jonathan Taylor last year then he wound up sitting the 1st 4 games.
I used to convince myself it was fine to deal with these early season headaches to have a stronger roster for the playoffs.
Gotta make the playoffs 1st. A losing record in your 1st 4 weeks is a big set back.
Thought I got a huge deal on Jonathan Taylor last year then he wound up sitting the 1st 4 games.
I used to convince myself it was fine to deal with these early season headaches to have a stronger roster for the playoffs.
Gotta make the playoffs 1st. A losing record in your 1st 4 weeks is a big set back.
PIK95
Footballguy
I read this in Axels imitation voice, lol. Nice
Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
I think if he signs, he plays and will be fine. My question is, if they don't work out a deal does he sit out? Does the team mask it by saying they don't want to risk him without practicing?
Does anyone see him in the lineup without a new contract?
Does anyone see him in the lineup without a new contract?
cantstop1999
Footballguy
I think that’s wishful thinking, there’s no way he plays full snaps now, no way! He will be on a snap count at best.
Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
I get that perspective, but does that ever really happen? Healthy player, team has started slow the last couple years. If the game is in doubt, you think they won't keep him in there?
I got pick 1.8 in a big FFPC Main Event and when I saw I had that pick I was happy with it but only if nothing impacted one of my, and generally speaking almost majority consensus, top 8 picks did not have an injury or something go awry. Something went awry.
I still took Chase at 8 anyway.
It's risky as hell and even in a contest with a 12 week regular season I'm not really overly concerned about week 1 or 2, just need everything to be cool in few weeks.
Now, I will say that despite taking the plunge I have been telling friends of mine for the past few weeks that Chase's holdout had the perfect ingredients to get volatile. Fact he's the last guy with an issue is making me right already and I don't want to be right.
The perfect ingredients are that in Chase you have a player who sat out a year of college under the guise of COVID. That just tells you he's not wanting to take risk with his future payday as well as possibly indicating he's not so in love with the game that he just wants to play no matter what. I also recall last season he was imploring Burrow to sit with his early season calf injury, saying even if he missed 5 games over it. He may not have been wrong but again to me it was a sign that he's thinking missing a few games is just not a big deal in the big picture scheme. Lastly his contract is way less then Aiyuks and Lamb's 5 year year options they were playing on before their extensions, as such missing games is a fairly trivial loss of income for him. I think he could play enough to accrue a full season, which is 6 games, and only be out less then $2M.
And then to top this off you got Mike Brown, who I don't think is as cheap as people portray him, and he wants to pay Chase, but he's no doubt probably the most stubborn owner in the NFL. He'll let you sit and rot and if you want a trade or are holding out. Obviously Burrow has a ton of sway, but Mike Brown has seen players come and seen players go and he just has shown he won't be steam rolled.
So yeah, I'm nervous, lol.
I still took Chase at 8 anyway.
It's risky as hell and even in a contest with a 12 week regular season I'm not really overly concerned about week 1 or 2, just need everything to be cool in few weeks.
Now, I will say that despite taking the plunge I have been telling friends of mine for the past few weeks that Chase's holdout had the perfect ingredients to get volatile. Fact he's the last guy with an issue is making me right already and I don't want to be right.
The perfect ingredients are that in Chase you have a player who sat out a year of college under the guise of COVID. That just tells you he's not wanting to take risk with his future payday as well as possibly indicating he's not so in love with the game that he just wants to play no matter what. I also recall last season he was imploring Burrow to sit with his early season calf injury, saying even if he missed 5 games over it. He may not have been wrong but again to me it was a sign that he's thinking missing a few games is just not a big deal in the big picture scheme. Lastly his contract is way less then Aiyuks and Lamb's 5 year year options they were playing on before their extensions, as such missing games is a fairly trivial loss of income for him. I think he could play enough to accrue a full season, which is 6 games, and only be out less then $2M.
And then to top this off you got Mike Brown, who I don't think is as cheap as people portray him, and he wants to pay Chase, but he's no doubt probably the most stubborn owner in the NFL. He'll let you sit and rot and if you want a trade or are holding out. Obviously Burrow has a ton of sway, but Mike Brown has seen players come and seen players go and he just has shown he won't be steam rolled.
So yeah, I'm nervous, lol.
Blick
Footballguy
I think the problem here is that if CIN management were to extend Chase now, it will set a bad precedent. Chase is under team control for two years. The team has all the leverage. I'm sure they want to keep Chase around for many years to come. But they won't have him dictate terms at the moment either.
I am not sure if it is even 2M. Most of his 2024 pay was already paid as a bonus, so I think his salary is a little over 1M this year. Would that matter I wonder? I don't know if it even matters either way because I suspect he'd be out under the guise of a soft tissue injury or something. Who knows though.
Things could get ugly. At least with Aiyuk he was only 1 year away from free agency. Chase still has 2 years.
Well OTHO if they can get Chase locked up now they will get ahead of a likely rising price in WR's so in that sense it behooves Cincy to get something done.
In fact I can't understand why Chase is so adamant about getting paid now, can only guess he wants security. But if he waits he'd likely only get more.
The problem here, from my angle, is not that Chase has two years left on his deal-plus some additional cost controlled years, but his reported demands to be paid $1 more then Jefferson. I have no idea what makes him think he should be go over Lamb and Jefferson. He's been great, they've been a cut above. Seems like his ego is getting in the way.
For the sake of accuracy I had indicated it would be less then $2m. It would be $1.8 m if the Bengals exercises all their options.
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Is Patrick Mahomes still on that 10 year $HALF BILLION contract? If so, while shocking back then, that's a bargain now. Pay the guys asap so you can save later
Judge Smails
Footballguy
Why? I assume he’s in shape and working out on his own. I seriously doubt they pay him then have him on a snap count
Judge Smails
Footballguy
Maybe. But the top guys always renegotiate to get back in the rightful $ pecking order. No way this deal with Mahomes stands for the duration
Him being cheap is a tired old myth. There is a distinction between being financially prudent, such as not extending Tee or Bates vs being cheap.
Bengals right now 11th in the league right now in actual cash spending for 2024. They've paid out almost $50M more then the Seahawks for example and I don't think they are considered cheap.
Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
True, but there's value knowing the guy is pretty much "locked up." You never hear about Mahomes possibly going anywhere else, while for Dak or Kirk Cousins, it's frequently a distraction. That stability provides value to the team, and probably makes getting free agents easier.
Not comparing those guys as players. Just saying there's something to just paying and locking a guy up if you're sure. And by "sure," I means KC/Mahomes sure, not Giants/Daniel Jones sure.
massraider
Footballguy
Mahomes 10 year deal was already re- done. They moved up money to get him in line with the top guys.
Chase is looking for a deal after his 3rd year, which other players get every year.
Chase is looking for a deal after his 3rd year, which other players get every year.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
Plus there’s the whole “the league is rolling in cash and the salary cap goes up dramatically each year” factor.
Except its not. Believe what you want bro. The stadium deal he got from the city (as he had insiders in city government he later hired to the team) was rated by far the most outrageous for taxpayers in history in a WSJ article. The dude is a cheap POS.
I believe the cash spending is what is and goes past any opinion you or I might have bro.
And the example you are giving me sounds like good business. LIke I said, there is a difference between being cheap and financially prudent.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I'm picking my Main Event from the 8 spot this year (in Vegas this Friday) and have been pondering this scenario too. I'm really really not in love with that spot at all (the 8 I mean). I'll take Chase without hesitation if he falls there and if this thing isn't settled yet. Three days from now is still a long time I suppose. Maybe somebody like Kelce or Derrick Henry sneak into the top 7 if they have a monster Thursday night game.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Tua played for $4M last year, you can look it up.
Year 4 of his rookie deal after being taken 1.05, I assume Chase and Tua were paid similar money coming out of college
I was shocked Tua took the field and then to top it off he led the league in Pass yds
Great insight Meno, thanks for posting all that, I might have read some of it way back but it certainly wasn't at the front of my analysis with Chase
packdog
Footballguy
they are gonna pay him anyway so i am not too worried about chase. it's gonna happen. i'd guess neither side is in a big rush with the pats on deck. they don't need chase for that one. they do for the chiefs week 2. i expect chase to sign soon regardless. this week he might be limited or not play at all week 1. from there i would bet all systems go and a much fatter wallet for chase
TVT 0 N S T A
Footballguy
If you lock guys up, while they are on their rookie deal - aren't you inflating salaries overall, to try to get ahead of the contract increases but inevitably end up paying the guy when his agent comes asking for a restructure?
I really don't see the advantage to throwing money on an extension the minute you draft a guy.
I actually liked 8 when I got the assigned the pick a few weeks ago as I have a tier break at 8(with a few more in between).
Was just hoping nothing would rain on value of any of those 8. Maybe this will work out for me as I did a ME out of pick 8 a few weks ago and ASRB was my last guy out of that tier and all things being close to equal I do prefer mixing up my higher drafted players in such a hefty entry fee league. So part of me is happy to not have to go ARSB again, but I do feel some risk for sure with Chase.
I'd much rather have pick 8 after one or two games are played as what you suggest could easily happen. I can actually recall stuff like Peyton Manning going top 2 after his massive Denver debut.
The General
Footballguy
I’d just like to tell this guy, and more so his coach, who on the day last week of my draft practiced for the only time this season and said he’s good for week one…that they are both jerks.
NOT COOL.
NOT COOL.
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Got it, you call ripping off taxpayers with the shadiest stadium deal in history and being unethical in doing so as financially prudent.
Meanwhile SF over there inking the annoying Aiyuk, and the easily worth it T Will in plenty of time for week 1.
Brown is an idiot - likely compounded by a dumb agent. You are giving up $2mil each Sunday that will not be made up when you are 32 yrs old.
If he does not play no one gets paid and it's a distraction. However small, the damage is not zero and any small thing can be looked at as why you didn't make it.
(Watching the Bengals be the Browns is lately the only thing we Steelers fans can celebrate)
Brown is an idiot - likely compounded by a dumb agent. You are giving up $2mil each Sunday that will not be made up when you are 32 yrs old.
If he does not play no one gets paid and it's a distraction. However small, the damage is not zero and any small thing can be looked at as why you didn't make it.
(Watching the Bengals be the Browns is lately the only thing we Steelers fans can celebrate)
massraider
Footballguy
With a lot of players, you know they will want to sign before the season starts, because they don't want to miss game checks.
Well, Chase's salary this season is $1.055 mill. Divided by 18 weeks, his game checks are around 58 grand. Minus this and that, and each game he misses probably costs Chase around 30 grand. He's collected around 30 mill in salary and bonuses since he was drafted (let's say he's dropped 15 mill to his bank account).
It might get done tomorrow, and as the season approaches, that's usually a good bet. But if Chase was going to dig in for a new deal, it won't cost him that much actual money.
I have now talked myself into a holdout for Chase. Stay strong Ja'Marr!!
Well, Chase's salary this season is $1.055 mill. Divided by 18 weeks, his game checks are around 58 grand. Minus this and that, and each game he misses probably costs Chase around 30 grand. He's collected around 30 mill in salary and bonuses since he was drafted (let's say he's dropped 15 mill to his bank account).
It might get done tomorrow, and as the season approaches, that's usually a good bet. But if Chase was going to dig in for a new deal, it won't cost him that much actual money.
I have now talked myself into a holdout for Chase. Stay strong Ja'Marr!!
Wrigley
Footballguy
We all know how frugal NFL players are
Dan Lambskin
Footballguy
I have a keeper draft tonight (keep 3 for 3 years and players go back in the pool)
Of course I have the first pick and
Chase is by far the best player so im going to have to roll with him (Saquon probably next best or the rookies)
Need to play the long game though and I think 3 years of Chase >>>> 3 years of Saquon
Of course I have the first pick and
Chase is by far the best player so im going to have to roll with him (Saquon probably next best or the rookies)
Need to play the long game though and I think 3 years of Chase >>>> 3 years of Saquon
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
Thats a no brainer, may play this week
massraider
Footballguy
Another "tricky situation", where a player has finished their 3rd season, and is under team control for another two years (minimum):x.com
x.com
Patrick Surtain.
Just got the biggest CB deal ever.
Not that tricky for Surtain, it seems
massraider
Footballguy
It's not
-jb-
Footballguy
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