WR Ja'Marr Chase, CIN (2 Viewers)

[(HULK)]

Buy these guys if you can. The Bengals defense will force this offense to pass a lot, and this offense is now designed to pass a ton. And that won't change for the next 4 years.

 

[RandyDB]

Sounds like a good plan, as long as Joe can survive behind the OL

 

[rockaction]

No more hold-ins for Ja'Marr for the next two years! At least!

 

[Donnybrook]

It is a bold strategy to pay the offense and let Trey Hendrickson seek a trade. Really want to see how this plays out.

 

[King of the Jungle]

It is a bold strategy to pay the offense and let Trey Hendrickson seek a trade. Really want to see how this plays out.

It will play out that they will need to score 35 a game to compete. Great for FF, probably not a good strategy for actual NFL victories.

 

[eighsse2]

The Bengals averaged 25.7 points allowed last year. That's really bad, and if we lose Hendrickson (though I don't currently think we will) it could be worse. But I feel like every year any given unit can unexpectedly improve or crash. Whether it's rookies or just a guy here and there having a breakout campaign, I think the law of averages gives us a pretty decent chance to be better than last year on defense, especially if Hendrickson sticks around.

 

[Aznflyer14]

Geneally, I took every FF article out there with a little bit of grain of salt but Waldman's latest gut check on Chase is bit bold take. If there is another level in his ceiling, then HOLY SMOKE!

 

[VikingFrog]

Geneally, I took every FF article out there with a little bit of grain of salt but Waldman's latest gut check on Chase is bit bold take. If there is another level in his ceiling, then HOLY SMOKE!

I pulled the #1 pick in my redraft league. It’s not PPR, but it’s still a no brainer for me to take Chase.

Doesn’t hurt that I’ve never owned him and always wanted to.

 

[Doubles]

Geneally, I took every FF article out there with a little bit of grain of salt but Waldman's latest gut check on Chase is bit bold take. If there is another level in his ceiling, then HOLY SMOKE!

I pulled the #1 pick in my redraft league. It’s not PPR, but it’s still a no brainer for me to take Chase.

Doesn’t hurt that I’ve never owned him and always wanted to.

I got the 2nd pick in a 12 man .5ppr. Number 1 is going to Bijan. I am hyped to draft Chase.

 

[Faust]

‘We’re finally getting as much credit as we’re supposed to’: With Joe Burrow out, Ja'Marr Chase's receiver payday theory ready for test

 

[Faust]

Josh Norris
Ja'Marr Chase is WR7 in consensus rankings this week

he has 1 Top 30 scoring week in Browning's 7 starts

maybe that'll be 2!

https://x.com/joshnorris/status/1971604294953730167?s=61

 

[rockaction]

Oh dear word. My scores just keep sliding downward. I hear that's heavenward, but that's only if you're an indie band like Hum and not a fantasy footballer hobbyist.

 

[dblock05]

Josh Norris
Ja'Marr Chase is WR7 in consensus rankings this week

he has 1 Top 30 scoring week in Browning's 7 starts

maybe that'll be 2!

https://x.com/joshnorris/status/1971604294953730167?s=61

WR7 against Denver and Surtain shadowing him…what could go wrong.

 

[starks]

Normally a set it and forget it but how who are people thinking about flexing over him this week with Surtain locking in on him? A questionable D Adams? Pollard?

 

[Blick]

Normally a set it and forget it but how who are people thinking about flexing over him this week with Surtain locking in on him? A questionable D Adams? Pollard?

If Adams and/or Pollard play, I’d start both over Chase.

 

[cdclopper]

Classic overthinking

 

[cdclopper]

The only way I'm not starting this guy is if I have Justin Jefferson, Bijan Robinson, Jahmyr Gibbs, Amon-Ra St Brown, Puca Nacua, and James Cook on my team. And I still might start him.

 

[rockaction]

The only way I'm not starting this guy is if I have Justin Jefferson, Bijan Robinson, Jahmyr Gibbs, Amon-Ra St Brown, Puca Nacua, and James Cook on my team. And I still might start him.

QJ ran free all day on Surtain. But QJ did have Herbert, who is a whole lot better than Browning. That said, I'm still not benching Chase. That's like lighting my own house on fire so I can have light by which to read a book.

No, in the lineup he goes.

 

[Proteus]

How many more duds and disasterous OLine and QB performances does one put up with before "Start your studs" goes out the window?

I think I got one left in me.

 

[KaeptainAmerica]

I’ve got choices between Egbuka, Etienne, and Chase. Seems like an easy decision to start Egbuka especially when you see Chase’s stats with Browning. Chase is a stud no doubt but Browning may be too much to overcome. Chase had 1 great game against a scrub defense and several middling games, and the top CB was out more than once.

 

[rockaction]

I’ve got choices between Egbuka, Etienne, and Chase. Seems like an easy decision to start Egbuka especially when you see Chase’s stats with Browning. Chase is a stud no doubt but Browning may be too much to overcome. Chase had 1 great game against a scrub defense and several middling games, and the top CB was out more than once.

Have you taken a hard look at Egbuka's underlying stats, like his win rate or separation score or targets or any of that?

 

[IHEARTFF]

That's like lighting my own house on fire so I can have light by which to read a book.

That’s a great analogy and apt for many uses these days

 

[rockaction]

That's like lighting my own house on fire so I can have light by which to read a book.

That’s a great analogy and apt for many uses these days

Thank you. Kind words always appreciated. Kind of Fahrenheit 451-inspired, now that I look at it and think about it a bit.

Credit to Ray Bradbury.

 

[IHEARTFF]

That's like lighting my own house on fire so I can have light by which to read a book.

That’s a great analogy and apt for many uses these days

Thank you. Kind words always appreciated. Kind of Fahrenheit 451-inspired, now that I look at it and think about it a bit.

Credit to Ray Bradbury.

Ray Bradbury was a genius

 

[Dez]

Burrow got hurt during week 11 last year. This was Chase PPR pts from week 11-17 that year

11 - 9.2
12 - 12.1
13 - 31.9
14 - 5.9
15 - 10.4
16 - DNP
17 - 7.1

I remember this so well because the only week I benched him was week 13

 

[VikingFrog]

That's like lighting my own house on fire so I can have light by which to read a book.

That’s a great analogy and apt for many uses these days

Thank you. Kind words always appreciated. Kind of Fahrenheit 451-inspired, now that I look at it and think about it a bit.

Credit to Ray Bradbury.

Ray Bradbury was a genius

“Start Your Studs”

- Ray Bradbury

— Michael Scott

 

[kyoun1e]

Burrow got hurt during week 11 last year. This was Chase PPR pts from week 11-17 that year

11 - 9.2
12 - 12.1
13 - 31.9
14 - 5.9
15 - 10.4
16 - DNP
17 - 7.1

I remember this so well because the only week I benched him was week 13

Would love to unload him. Curious if anyone has been successful with some kind of 2 for 1 deal where you get back a couple buy low RBs/WRs that an owner is frustrated with.

For example, say a K. Walker (which would be a headache) and and B. Thomas. Or B. Irving and X. Worthy.

 

[FarFromHome]

Would love to unload him. Curious if anyone has been successful with some kind of 2 for 1 deal where you get back a couple buy low RBs/WRs that an owner is frustrated with.

For example, say a K. Walker (which would be a headache) and and B. Thomas. Or B. Irving and X. Worthy.

I fished pretty hard in League Uno. Wasn't getting anything close to value I was comfortable with. Concluded he is gonna be on my roster all year. Just a hard guy to move in redraft leagues.

 

[Blick]

Burrow got hurt during week 11 last year. This was Chase PPR pts from week 11-17 that year

11 - 9.2
12 - 12.1
13 - 31.9
14 - 5.9
15 - 10.4
16 - DNP
17 - 7.1

I remember this so well because the only week I benched him was week 13

This. Chase is no longer an no brainer, set it and forget it, every week start.

 

[FarFromHome]

Burrow got hurt during week 11 last year. This was Chase PPR pts from week 11-17 that year

11 - 9.2
12 - 12.1
13 - 31.9
14 - 5.9
15 - 10.4
16 - DNP
17 - 7.1

I remember this so well because the only week I benched him was week 13

This. Chase is no longer an no brainer, set it and forget it, every week start.

Obviously every league is different, but I just dont see many rosters where Chase still doesn't start for an owner every week.

 

[Blick]

Burrow got hurt during week 11 last year. This was Chase PPR pts from week 11-17 that year

11 - 9.2
12 - 12.1
13 - 31.9
14 - 5.9
15 - 10.4
16 - DNP
17 - 7.1

I remember this so well because the only week I benched him was week 13

This. Chase is no longer an no brainer, set it and forget it, every week start.

Obviously every league is different, but I just dont see many rosters where Chase still doesn't start for an owner every week.

Based strictly on the last time we saw this scenario, if you have someone that averages 5 for 63 and 0.3, you have a decision to make. I hope I’m just being negative because I have Chase everywhere.

 

[kyoun1e]

Would love to unload him. Curious if anyone has been successful with some kind of 2 for 1 deal where you get back a couple buy low RBs/WRs that an owner is frustrated with.

For example, say a K. Walker (which would be a headache) and and B. Thomas. Or B. Irving and X. Worthy.

I fished pretty hard in League Uno. Wasn't getting anything close to value I was comfortable with. Concluded he is gonna be on my roster all year. Just a hard guy to move in redraft leagues.

Eyeballing 0-3 teams. Could see an opening for potentially a O. Hampton and either a B. Thomas or C. Olave.

 

[FarFromHome]

Burrow got hurt during week 11 last year. This was Chase PPR pts from week 11-17 that year

11 - 9.2
12 - 12.1
13 - 31.9
14 - 5.9
15 - 10.4
16 - DNP
17 - 7.1

I remember this so well because the only week I benched him was week 13

This. Chase is no longer an no brainer, set it and forget it, every week start.

Obviously every league is different, but I just dont see many rosters where Chase still doesn't start for an owner every week.

Based strictly on the last time we saw this scenario, if you have someone that averages 5 for 63 and 0.3, you have a decision to make. I hope I’m just being negative because I have Chase everywhere.

When you math it like that, I get the logic. My devils advocate would be, does the guy that averages 5 for 63 have any chance to go 200 and 3 tds? Although obviously without Burrow, Chase's chances of that game are significantly significantly lower, I'm saying he does have the ability. Stay strong. Ha ha

 

[menobrown]

Burrow got hurt during week 11 last year. This was Chase PPR pts from week 11-17 that year

11 - 9.2
12 - 12.1
13 - 31.9
14 - 5.9
15 - 10.4
16 - DNP
17 - 7.1

I remember this so well because the only week I benched him was week 13

This. Chase is no longer an no brainer, set it and forget it, every week start.

Obviously every league is different, but I just dont see many rosters where Chase still doesn't start for an owner every week.

Based strictly on the last time we saw this scenario, if you have someone that averages 5 for 63 and 0.3, you have a decision to make. I hope I’m just being negative because I have Chase everywhere.

Right, not only is not crazy to consider benching him but people, players and "experts", are being way to slow to drop him in their weekly and ROS rankings. to many people struggling to adjust to his new reality.

Dez broke it down already but another way of putting this is I read a tweet yesterday that he's had one top 30 finish(half PPR) in 1 out of 7 games that Browning has started.

Yet this site has him ranked #3 despite facing arguably the best pass defense in the league.

I have him on two teams, both redraft. He's in one lineup but the other one I'm 50/50 on benching him, maybe more like 55/45 leaning on benching. It's hard sitting a guy most people just drafted at 1.01 or was considered by most as the top pick in fantasy 3 weeks ago, who is completely healthy. But if we just focus on the Browning games it gets a lot less difficult.

 

[FarFromHome]

It's hard sitting a guy most people just drafted at 1.01 or was considered by most as the top pick in fantasy 3 weeks ago, who is completely healthy.

Yep. I'm in the same boat. It's what makes straight up redraft leagues so tough. I'm stubborn. I'm arrogant. Have a chip on my soldier, but pleasant to be around. I won't sit Chase all year in my one league I roster him. Ha ha

 

[tkrull2.0]

You all have better flex options than I to be able to bench Chase. It sucks, but none of my 5 for 63 options can drop a 30-spot.

 

[Proteus]

There's a super fine line between start your studs, and shart your duds.

Just coined that. Right here. Right now. Please cite your source.

 

[Aznflyer14]

I strongly dislike the idea of benching any stud such as Ja'Marr Chase but for this weekend on facing all-pro CB Surtain with dicey QB & shaky OL, he is riding on pine. This is to make room for Odunze vs. Raiders (my other starting WRs are Nabers vs. Chargers and JSN vs. Cardinals).

 

[KaeptainAmerica]

Fairly certain I’m benching him for Egbuka.

 

[TheWinz]

Burrow got hurt during week 11 last year. This was Chase PPR pts from week 11-17 that year

11 - 9.2
12 - 12.1
13 - 31.9
14 - 5.9
15 - 10.4
16 - DNP
17 - 7.1

I remember this so well because the only week I benched him was week 13

Burrow played the entire season last year, and Chase was the WR1 from weeks 11 thru 17. You are talking about 2023.

 

[TheWinz]

Ja'Marr is currently WR10 in PPR. Only 3 other WR's have more catches. Only 4 other WR's have more receiving yards. And he has done that with both Burrow and Browning. As a matter of fact, he has had more success this year with Browning under center, except for the single TD.
with Burrow on 73 snaps - 6 catches, 63 yards, 1 TD
with Browning on 101 snaps - 15 catches, 178 yards, 0 TD

Here are the folks mentioned above that people are benching him for:
Egbuka - 7 less catches, 60 less yards, and currently below Ja'Marr in PPR scoring
Golden - this guy has a mere 8 targets in his first 3 games... really?
Nabers, JSN, and Odunze - Got no problem with this trio starting over him

 

[Insein]

Why would you ever bench Jamarr unless he's hurt?

 

[TheWinz]

Why would you ever bench Jamarr unless he's hurt?

I can see it if your other options are studly guys, but people are seriously overreacting here. You would think he's like WR50 right now, when he is in fact WR10. And he's actually done better with Browning vs Burrow this year. Somewhere, some clown is benching Ja'Marr for Tre Tucker this week.

 

[KaeptainAmerica]

Why would you ever bench Jamarr unless he's hurt?

QB play is the context you’re looking for. We have several games with Browning as baseline evidence, albeit from 2023. Chase has had 2 good games out of 8-10 played with Browning? His positive games were vs middling defenses or defenses where the #1 CB was out, and DEN/Surtain are elite.

I’ll be starting Egbuka but won’t be expecting 25 pts. Chase is locked and loaded for another 5/40 game.

 

[TheWinz]

Why would you ever bench Jamarr unless he's hurt?

QB play is the context you’re looking for. We have several games with Browning as baseline evidence, albeit from 2023. Chase has had 2 good games out of 10-12 played with Browning? His positive games were vs middling defenses or defenses where the #1 CB was out, and DEN/Surtain are elite.

I’ll be starting Egbuka but won’t be expecting 25 pts. Chase is locked and loaded for another 5/40 game.

Egbuka has less PPR points than Ja'Marr this year, and that's with Browning throwing to him
Don't bench your #1 overall pick because your mad he's ONLY WR10.

Did I mention Chase is currently outscoring Egbuka?

 

[Insein]

Why would you ever bench Jamarr unless he's hurt?

QB play is the context you’re looking for. We have several games with Browning as baseline evidence, albeit from 2023. Chase has had 2 good games out of 10-12 played with Browning? His positive games were vs middling defenses or defenses where the #1 CB was out, and DEN/Surtain are elite.

I’ll be starting Egbuka but won’t be expecting 25 pts. Chase is locked and loaded for another 5/40 game.

Egbuka has less PPR points than Ja'Marr this year, and that's with Browning throwing to him
Don't bench your #1 overall pick because your mad he's ONLY WR10.

Did I mention Chase is currently outscoring Egbuka?

Plus Egbuka possibly getting Quinyan today. Could be a rough day for him as the only Bucs option.

 

[KaeptainAmerica]

Why would you ever bench Jamarr unless he's hurt?

QB play is the context you’re looking for. We have several games with Browning as baseline evidence, albeit from 2023. Chase has had 2 good games out of 10-12 played with Browning? His positive games were vs middling defenses or defenses where the #1 CB was out, and DEN/Surtain are elite.

I’ll be starting Egbuka but won’t be expecting 25 pts. Chase is locked and loaded for another 5/40 game.

Egbuka has less PPR points than Ja'Marr this year, and that's with Browning throwing to him
Don't bench your #1 overall pick because your mad he's ONLY WR10.

Did I mention Chase is currently outscoring Egbuka?

You did mention that, and it’s a salient point, but an aberration nonetheless. Not trying to disagree with you, just trying to say there’s nuance here. I’m not suggesting Egbuka is anywhere near the quaff Chase, but the real consideration is Browning+Chase < Mayfield+Egbuka. Take out the Jags game and it’s a much different view. Take out any of Egbuka’s games and consistency remains.

 

[TheWinz]

Why would you ever bench Jamarr unless he's hurt?

QB play is the context you’re looking for. We have several games with Browning as baseline evidence, albeit from 2023. Chase has had 2 good games out of 10-12 played with Browning? His positive games were vs middling defenses or defenses where the #1 CB was out, and DEN/Surtain are elite.

I’ll be starting Egbuka but won’t be expecting 25 pts. Chase is locked and loaded for another 5/40 game.

Egbuka has less PPR points than Ja'Marr this year, and that's with Browning throwing to him
Don't bench your #1 overall pick because your mad he's ONLY WR10.

Did I mention Chase is currently outscoring Egbuka?

You did mention that, and it’s a salient point, but an aberration nonetheless. Not trying to disagree with you, just trying to say there’s nuance here. I’m not suggesting Egbuka is anywhere near the quaff Chase, but the real consideration is Browning+Chase < Mayfield+Egbuka. Take out the Jags game and it’s a much different view. Take out any of Egbuka’s games and consistency remains.

Chase has played 2 games with Browning this year and you want to remove 1 of them? Come on man! Talk about cherry picking! The fact is, Chase has 15 catches in 1.5 games with Browning while Egbuka has one less catch in twice as many games. If we remove all 14 of Egbuka's catches, he has ZERO for his NFL career!

 

[KaeptainAmerica]

It’s fair to remove one of the games when the latter opponent more closely resembles the defense they will be facing this week.

Agree to disagree then…I’m primarily sitting Chase due to the matchup. If he was playing Jax again then he’d most assuredly overcome the Browning albatross.

 

[KaeptainAmerica]

Egbuka is good…real good