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[Jason Wood]

In the last 48 hours, I have heard the following statements from pundits...

Sean Salisbury quoting a "great source" that the Saints really want to pick A.J. Hawk and would do so in a trade down and yet still may take him at 2 if they can't work out a move down
Chris Mortensen reporting that the Saints would run, not walk, to take Reggie Bush if he fell to 2 but more likely they'll surprise people and take D'Brickshaw Ferguson who he has "on good information" as the guy they really covet
John Clayton reporting that the Saints will take Mario Williams without question if they don't trade down
Mike Greenburg reporting from "very good sources" that the Saints are fooling everyone and will take Matt Leinart at 2 if they can't work out a suitable trade

You've gotta love the draft, particularly because all the talking heads get fed this misinformation yet each of them is SURE they aren't being fooled, like the other reporters.

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

Now if we can only get more people here to realize that most of what is reported prior to the draft is just a bunch of hoohy!

 

[LAUNCH]

Clayton

"Hall Of Fame Broadcaster" Sean Salisbury now has "sources"

LAUNCH

 

[BoltzNBrew]

The only thing that really matters at this point is who does Jason Wood think NO will take?

 

[Slinger]

The funny thing is that one of them will be right and then ESPN can claim to have the sources on the matter.

 

[T Man]

The funny thing is that one of them will be right and then ESPN can claim to have the sources on the matter.

 

[R.White]

Try being a blogger reporter and sifting through this sssssssstuff

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Clearly, they are tipping their hand that they want Ferguson since he is not in any of the rumors.

"These are not the droids you're looking for."

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Clearly, they are tipping their hand that they want Ferguson since he is not in any of the rumors.

"These are not the droids you're looking for."

The dogs, Mr. Watson. They didn't bark.

 

[Tiger Fan]

If they pick anyone other than Bush/Leinart @ 2 they are stupid. They can get any of the other guys at 4 by trading with the Jets.

 

[Kleck.]

Clearly, they are tipping their hand that they want Ferguson since he is not in any of the rumors.

"These are not the droids you're looking for."

 

[Kleck.]

If they pick anyone other than Bush/Leinart @ 2 they are stupid. They can get any of the other guys at 4 by trading with the Jets.

I still have Leinart going #2.

 

[BassNBrew]

Who really cares...seriously. Eight days from now they'll pick someone and all these games will be forgotten. Don't get me wrong, I really enjoy watching the draft, but what's the point of all this pre-coverage and "mocks".

 

[Late225]

If they pick anyone other than Bush/Leinart @ 2 they are stupid. They can get any of the other guys at 4 by trading with the Jets.

How do you figure that they'll be able to take anyone of those four? Who will be taken at #3?

 

[Dolfan]

Even though he looks like a twerp, I gotta go with John Clayton on this one...

 

[SuperJohn96]

Who really cares...seriously. Eight days from now they'll pick someone and all these games will be forgotten. Don't get me wrong, I really enjoy watching the draft, but what's the point of all this pre-coverage and "mocks".

Beacuse it's fun to discuss?Now, don't get me wrong, I really enjoy watching men ##### like women, but what's the point of going into a thread to complain about it?

Just don't go in...

 

[Z-Dog]

In the last 48 hours, I have heard the following statements from pundits...

Sean Salisbury quoting a "great source" that the Saints really want to pick A.J. Hawk and would do so in a trade down and yet still may take him at 2 if they can't work out a move down
Chris Mortensen reporting that the Saints would run, not walk, to take Reggie Bush if he fell to 2 but more likely they'll surprise people and take D'Brickshaw Ferguson who he has "on good information" as the guy they really covet
John Clayton reporting that the Saints will take Mario Williams without question if they don't trade down
Mike Greenburg reporting from "very good sources" that the Saints are fooling everyone and will take Matt Leinart at 2 if they can't work out a suitable trade

You've gotta love the draft, particularly because all the talking heads get fed this misinformation yet each of them is SURE they aren't being fooled, like the other reporters.

I don't think the 'talking heads' are any dumber than you or I, and they spend an awful lot more time actually doing the research and talking to the players, agents, and team officials than any of us.The point is that it's not their job to be right. Its there job to report information, and to speculate in an entertaining fashion. If a source feeds them info, they report it, b/c that is the news, even if the source is duplicitous. It's not like they are being taken in by these sources, it's that it's not their job to filter all of this info as much as to pass it on.

 

[gang-wars]

In the last 48 hours, I have heard the following statements from pundits...

Sean Salisbury quoting a "great source" that the Saints really want to pick A.J. Hawk and would do so in a trade down and yet still may take him at 2 if they can't work out a move down
Chris Mortensen reporting that the Saints would run, not walk, to take Reggie Bush if he fell to 2 but more likely they'll surprise people and take D'Brickshaw Ferguson who he has "on good information" as the guy they really covet
John Clayton reporting that the Saints will take Mario Williams without question if they don't trade down
Mike Greenburg reporting from "very good sources" that the Saints are fooling everyone and will take Matt Leinart at 2 if they can't work out a suitable trade

You've gotta love the draft, particularly because all the talking heads get fed this misinformation yet each of them is SURE they aren't being fooled, like the other reporters.

I don't think the 'talking heads' are any dumber than you or I, and they spend an awful lot more time actually doing the research and talking to the players, agents, and team officials than any of us.The point is that it's not their job to be right. Its there job to report information, and to speculate in an entertaining fashion. If a source feeds them info, they report it, b/c that is the news, even if the source is duplicitous. It's not like they are being taken in by these sources, it's that it's not their job to filter all of this info as much as to pass it on.

When you look at the big name guys, it's a game of give and take. Most of them know a story is BS, but it's generally accepted if I start your rumors, you'll give me some meat from time to time. And if a source just feeds you nothing but rumors all year, you just stop calling him. What will usually happen is on draft day, they'll get the real scoop and be rewarded for being a propaganda tool leading up to the draft.

 

[diesel7982]

In the last 48 hours, I have heard the following statements from pundits...

Sean Salisbury quoting a "great source" that the Saints really want to pick A.J. Hawk and would do so in a trade down and yet still may take him at 2 if they can't work out a move down
Chris Mortensen reporting that the Saints would run, not walk, to take Reggie Bush if he fell to 2 but more likely they'll surprise people and take D'Brickshaw Ferguson who he has "on good information" as the guy they really covet
John Clayton reporting that the Saints will take Mario Williams without question if they don't trade down
Mike Greenburg reporting from "very good sources" that the Saints are fooling everyone and will take Matt Leinart at 2 if they can't work out a suitable trade

You've gotta love the draft, particularly because all the talking heads get fed this misinformation yet each of them is SURE they aren't being fooled, like the other reporters.

I don't think the 'talking heads' are any dumber than you or I, and they spend an awful lot more time actually doing the research and talking to the players, agents, and team officials than any of us.The point is that it's not their job to be right. Its there job to report information, and to speculate in an entertaining fashion. If a source feeds them info, they report it, b/c that is the news, even if the source is duplicitous. It's not like they are being taken in by these sources, it's that it's not their job to filter all of this info as much as to pass it on.

Id be careful saying stuff like this around Jason

 

[Chaos Commish]

In the last 48 hours, I have heard the following statements from pundits...

Sean Salisbury quoting a "great source" that the Saints really want to pick A.J. Hawk and would do so in a trade down and yet still may take him at 2 if they can't work out a move down
Chris Mortensen reporting that the Saints would run, not walk, to take Reggie Bush if he fell to 2 but more likely they'll surprise people and take D'Brickshaw Ferguson who he has "on good information" as the guy they really covet
John Clayton reporting that the Saints will take Mario Williams without question if they don't trade down
Mike Greenburg reporting from "very good sources" that the Saints are fooling everyone and will take Matt Leinart at 2 if they can't work out a suitable trade

You've gotta love the draft, particularly because all the talking heads get fed this misinformation yet each of them is SURE they aren't being fooled, like the other reporters.

It's friggin' Christmas to me. The entertainment value is high here.

 

[Kit Fisto]

Find me a mock draft from any year that works out like the NFL draft does, and I'll send you a crisp new Benji.

It's fun to speculate, but that's all it is. My guess is alot of us will be very surprised with who goes where when the draft is over.

Always happens. Always.

 

[jetsman]

tiger fan, thats your problem right there...... the J-E-T-S wont move up with them.... they are much more likely to move down and add picks than move up. New Orleans is only Spewing all this smoke because they want to move down but no further than 5, and they cant get anyone to bite.... they really want that #4 pick... and so far the J-E-T-S are holding firm... as long as they do they cant lose, The Saints are trying everything though so its gonna be interesting

 

[Ack88]

Kudos to the Saints- they have managed to tell all the major talking heads at ESPN that they want a different player. Now that's misinformation mastery!

 

[Chaos Commish]

Find me a mock draft from any year that works out like the NFL draft does, and I'll send you a crisp new Benji.

It's fun to speculate, but that's all it is. My guess is alot of us will be very surprised with who goes where when the draft is over.

Always happens. Always.

Gil Brandt named 28 of 32 first rounders last year on draft day, but before the draft.Scott Wright hit 14 of the first 16 picks a couple years ago.

That said. I agree with you about this year. It's going to be strange. I go brain dead trying to draft a mock, and I have never paid closer attention than I have this year.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

That said. I agree with you about this year. It's going to be strange. I go brain dead trying to draft a mock, and I have never paid closer attention than I have this year.

Im right there with you. I even tried to do an "alternate universe" mock, where I continued the mock in different directions based on the picks I was unsure about, but could narrow down to 2 or 3 options. That thing was a complete mess by pick 7 or 8.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

That said.  I agree with you about this year.  It's going to be strange.  I go brain dead trying to draft a mock, and I have never paid closer attention than I have this year.

Im right there with you. I even tried to do an "alternate universe" mock, where I continued the mock in different directions based on the picks I was unsure about, but could narrow down to 2 or 3 options. That thing was a complete mess by pick 7 or 8.

There are three main problems that I run into:1) There are 3 potentially franchise QBs. Problem is, they all have their own question marks. Two would be easier to handle.

2) There are at least a half-dozen (to maybe 8) players that are legitimate top 3

picks.

3) Everyone needs defensive backfield help. There are a TON of 1st round talented backs. Picking specific players for specific teams in this scenario is impossible.

 

[kentric]

Find me a mock draft from any year that works out like the NFL draft does, and I'll send you a crisp new Benji.

It's fun to speculate, but that's all it is. My guess is alot of us will be very surprised with who goes where when the draft is over.

Always happens. Always.

There will always be surprises with the Jets involved.

 

[Iron_Far]

Looking forward to one of the most unpredictable NFL drafts in years.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Looking forward to one of the most unpredictable NFL drafts in years.

and talent-laden. not a coincidence.

 

[T Man]

In the last 48 hours, I have heard the following statements from pundits...

Sean Salisbury quoting a "great source" that the Saints really want to pick A.J. Hawk and would do so in a trade down and yet still may take him at 2 if they can't work out a move down
Chris Mortensen reporting that the Saints would run, not walk, to take Reggie Bush if he fell to 2 but more likely they'll surprise people and take D'Brickshaw Ferguson who he has "on good information" as the guy they really covet
John Clayton reporting that the Saints will take Mario Williams without question if they don't trade down
Mike Greenburg reporting from "very good sources" that the Saints are fooling everyone and will take Matt Leinart at 2 if they can't work out a suitable trade

You've gotta love the draft, particularly because all the talking heads get fed this misinformation yet each of them is SURE they aren't being fooled, like the other reporters.

It is the Saints. THey probably are all right. The Saints may not know what they want to do with the pick.

 

[Joe Bryant]

In the last 48 hours, I have heard the following statements from pundits...

Sean Salisbury quoting a "great source" that the Saints really want to pick A.J. Hawk and would do so in a trade down and yet still may take him at 2 if they can't work out a move down
Chris Mortensen reporting that the Saints would run, not walk, to take Reggie Bush if he fell to 2 but more likely they'll surprise people and take D'Brickshaw Ferguson who he has "on good information" as the guy they really covet
John Clayton reporting that the Saints will take Mario Williams without question if they don't trade down
Mike Greenburg reporting from "very good sources" that the Saints are fooling everyone and will take Matt Leinart at 2 if they can't work out a suitable trade

You've gotta love the draft, particularly because all the talking heads get fed this misinformation yet each of them is SURE they aren't being fooled, like the other reporters.

Agree there Woodrow. This is a great time of year for this kind of stuff.FWIW, I can easily see them going with Leinart at #2. I almost hope they do that just to send everyone into a scramble.

J

 

[Jason Wood]

In the last 48 hours, I have heard the following statements from pundits...

Sean Salisbury quoting a "great source" that the Saints really want to pick A.J. Hawk and would do so in a trade down and yet still may take him at 2 if they can't work out a move down
Chris Mortensen reporting that the Saints would run, not walk, to take Reggie Bush if he fell to 2 but more likely they'll surprise people and take D'Brickshaw Ferguson who he has "on good information" as the guy they really covet
John Clayton reporting that the Saints will take Mario Williams without question if they don't trade down
Mike Greenburg reporting from "very good sources" that the Saints are fooling everyone and will take Matt Leinart at 2 if they can't work out a suitable trade

You've gotta love the draft, particularly because all the talking heads get fed this misinformation yet each of them is SURE they aren't being fooled, like the other reporters.

Agree there Woodrow. This is a great time of year for this kind of stuff.FWIW, I can easily see them going with Leinart at #2. I almost hope they do that just to send everyone into a scramble.

J

Me too Joe Personally I think Tennessee is locked in on Leinart, and that would be great drama is New Orleans grabs him, even if it's to pull an "Eli" and then work on a trade after they make the pick.

 

[Obie Wan]

If they pick anyone other than Bush/Leinart @ 2 they are stupid. They can get any of the other guys at 4 by trading with the Jets.

of course, so can the Jets, so why give away the store to move to #2?

 

[Joe Bryant]

In the last 48 hours, I have heard the following statements from pundits...

Sean Salisbury quoting a "great source" that the Saints really want to pick A.J. Hawk and would do so in a trade down and yet still may take him at 2 if they can't work out a move down
Chris Mortensen reporting that the Saints would run, not walk, to take Reggie Bush if he fell to 2 but more likely they'll surprise people and take D'Brickshaw Ferguson who he has "on good information" as the guy they really covet
John Clayton reporting that the Saints will take Mario Williams without question if they don't trade down
Mike Greenburg reporting from "very good sources" that the Saints are fooling everyone and will take Matt Leinart at 2 if they can't work out a suitable trade

You've gotta love the draft, particularly because all the talking heads get fed this misinformation yet each of them is SURE they aren't being fooled, like the other reporters.

Agree there Woodrow. This is a great time of year for this kind of stuff.FWIW, I can easily see them going with Leinart at #2. I almost hope they do that just to send everyone into a scramble.

J

Me too Joe Personally I think Tennessee is locked in on Leinart, and that would be great drama is New Orleans grabs him, even if it's to pull an "Eli" and then work on a trade after they make the pick.

That would be interesting. What are your thoughts on whether they'd make a trade after or before the selection?J

 

[Jason Wood]

In the last 48 hours, I have heard the following statements from pundits...

Sean Salisbury quoting a "great source" that the Saints really want to pick A.J. Hawk and would do so in a trade down and yet still may take him at 2 if they can't work out a move down
Chris Mortensen reporting that the Saints would run, not walk, to take Reggie Bush if he fell to 2 but more likely they'll surprise people and take D'Brickshaw Ferguson who he has "on good information" as the guy they really covet
John Clayton reporting that the Saints will take Mario Williams without question if they don't trade down
Mike Greenburg reporting from "very good sources" that the Saints are fooling everyone and will take Matt Leinart at 2 if they can't work out a suitable trade

You've gotta love the draft, particularly because all the talking heads get fed this misinformation yet each of them is SURE they aren't being fooled, like the other reporters.

Agree there Woodrow. This is a great time of year for this kind of stuff.FWIW, I can easily see them going with Leinart at #2. I almost hope they do that just to send everyone into a scramble.

J

Me too Joe Personally I think Tennessee is locked in on Leinart, and that would be great drama is New Orleans grabs him, even if it's to pull an "Eli" and then work on a trade after they make the pick.

That would be interesting. What are your thoughts on whether they'd make a trade after or before the selection?J

I think they have a ton more leverage than some are giving them credit for. Yes, they have "needs" but they are also pretty well set at some major positions: RB, QB and DE...which also happens to coincide with four of the elite" prospects in this draft (Bush, Leinart, Young, Williams). I think they have every right to ask for 2 1st rounders and a bit more to move down, even a few spots. Otherwise they have the pick of five or six "elite" players, any one of which (if they scout correctly) should be an impact player for the Saints for years to come.

If Drew Brees' contract wasn't really a 1-year deal, I would discount entirely the notion of New Orleans taking a QB as leverage. But that's not the case. Remember, even though the Chargers took Eli with an eye toward getting Rivers, they had to be willing to keep Eli (i.e, call San Diego's bluff). Same thing with New Orleans...I think an NFL franchise can't afford to draft someone it really wouldn't be happy to pay #2 money if there's no suitor.

So my guess is, they try desperately to make a move before they are on the clock, otherwise they take Mario Williams or D'Brick.

I haven't heard many people discuss San Francisco, but they've got the juice to move up and grab someone. Dunno.

 

[glock]

I for one can't wait til the draft is over and done with already.

And I mean that in the nicest possible way.

 

[Football Menace]

In the last 48 hours, I have heard the following statements from pundits...

Sean Salisbury quoting a "great source" that the Saints really want to pick A.J. Hawk and would do so in a trade down and yet still may take him at 2 if they can't work out a move down
Chris Mortensen reporting that the Saints would run, not walk, to take Reggie Bush if he fell to 2 but more likely they'll surprise people and take D'Brickshaw Ferguson who he has "on good information" as the guy they really covet
John Clayton reporting that the Saints will take Mario Williams without question if they don't trade down
Mike Greenburg reporting from "very good sources" that the Saints are fooling everyone and will take Matt Leinart at 2 if they can't work out a suitable trade

You've gotta love the draft, particularly because all the talking heads get fed this misinformation yet each of them is SURE they aren't being fooled, like the other reporters.

Agree there Woodrow. This is a great time of year for this kind of stuff.FWIW, I can easily see them going with Leinart at #2. I almost hope they do that just to send everyone into a scramble.

J

Me too Joe Personally I think Tennessee is locked in on Leinart, and that would be great drama is New Orleans grabs him, even if it's to pull an "Eli" and then work on a trade after they make the pick.

That would be interesting. What are your thoughts on whether they'd make a trade after or before the selection?J

I think they have a ton more leverage than some are giving them credit for. Yes, they have "needs" but they are also pretty well set at some major positions: RB, QB and DE...which also happens to coincide with four of the elite" prospects in this draft (Bush, Leinart, Young, Williams). I think they have every right to ask for 2 1st rounders and a bit more to move down, even a few spots. Otherwise they have the pick of five or six "elite" players, any one of which (if they scout correctly) should be an impact player for the Saints for years to come.

If Drew Brees' contract wasn't really a 1-year deal, I would discount entirely the notion of New Orleans taking a QB as leverage. But that's not the case. Remember, even though the Chargers took Eli with an eye toward getting Rivers, they had to be willing to keep Eli (i.e, call San Diego's bluff). Same thing with New Orleans...I think an NFL franchise can't afford to draft someone it really wouldn't be happy to pay #2 money if there's no suitor.

So my guess is, they try desperately to make a move before they are on the clock, otherwise they take Mario Williams or D'Brick.

I haven't heard many people discuss San Francisco, but they've got the juice to move up and grab someone. Dunno.

Exactly what I was thinking!

As a fan, I want us to win right now. Taking Leinart is a move for the future, which may or may not pan out. The fans down here are so sick of "waiting until next year." We love our Saints, but you got the feeling last year that we'd had enough. If we go through another losing season, that's going to give the powers that be more ammo to try to relocate the franchise. With that said, I have no doubt in my mind that the Superdome would sellout week after week if they'd put a winning product on the field, despite Katrina. Mario Williams or D'Brick would help our cause more than Leinart.

 

[Englishteacher]

In the last 48 hours, I have heard the following statements from pundits...

Sean Salisbury quoting a "great source" that the Saints really want to pick A.J. Hawk and would do so in a trade down and yet still may take him at 2 if they can't work out a move down
Chris Mortensen reporting that the Saints would run, not walk, to take Reggie Bush if he fell to 2 but more likely they'll surprise people and take D'Brickshaw Ferguson who he has "on good information" as the guy they really covet
John Clayton reporting that the Saints will take Mario Williams without question if they don't trade down
Mike Greenburg reporting from "very good sources" that the Saints are fooling everyone and will take Matt Leinart at 2 if they can't work out a suitable trade

You've gotta love the draft, particularly because all the talking heads get fed this misinformation yet each of them is SURE they aren't being fooled, like the other reporters.

ANY S ? Not angry. Jason. Nice info!

 

[Jason Wood]

In the last 48 hours, I have heard the following statements from pundits...

Sean Salisbury quoting a "great source" that the Saints really want to pick A.J. Hawk and would do so in a trade down and yet still may take him at 2 if they can't work out a move down
Chris Mortensen reporting that the Saints would run, not walk, to take Reggie Bush if he fell to 2 but more likely they'll surprise people and take D'Brickshaw Ferguson who he has "on good information" as the guy they really covet
John Clayton reporting that the Saints will take Mario Williams without question if they don't trade down
Mike Greenburg reporting from "very good sources" that the Saints are fooling everyone and will take Matt Leinart at 2 if they can't work out a suitable trade

You've gotta love the draft, particularly because all the talking heads get fed this misinformation yet each of them is SURE they aren't being fooled, like the other reporters.

ANY S ? Not angry. Jason. Nice info!

Sorry, ET, no links, all this was on ESPN Radio 1050 over the last few days.Todd McShay chimed in, too, but for the life of me I can't remember what he said re: New Orleans.

 

[Joe Bryant]

If Drew Brees' contract wasn't really a 1-year deal, I would discount entirely the notion of New Orleans taking a QB as leverage. But that's not the case. Remember, even though the Chargers took Eli with an eye toward getting Rivers, they had to be willing to keep Eli (i.e, call San Diego's bluff). Same thing with New Orleans...I think an NFL franchise can't afford to draft someone it really wouldn't be happy to pay #2 money if there's no suitor.

Agreed. I would not be surprised at all given Brees' contract if they went QB at #2. J

 

[Kit Fisto]

Find me a mock draft from any year that works out like the NFL draft does, and I'll send you a crisp new Benji.

It's fun to speculate, but that's all it is. My guess is alot of us will be very surprised with who goes where when the draft is over.

Always happens. Always.

Gil Brandt named 28 of 32 first rounders last year on draft day, but before the draft.Scott Wright hit 14 of the first 16 picks a couple years ago.

That said. I agree with you about this year. It's going to be strange. I go brain dead trying to draft a mock, and I have never paid closer attention than I have this year.

In the right order?

 

[jetsman]

all this just shows how desparately the Saints want to move down, there are too many quality players they can take and they want to entice someone to give them something of value to move down. normally teams are clamoring to move up, this year teams at the top clearly want to move down because the talent between #1 and #5 isnt as great as the chart says there should be and the salary demands of each slot,

for example which package would the Saints rather have

package 1: Mario Williams

package 2: A J Hawk, Eric Winston, and $6 Million

or for Example Houston which Paxkage would they take

package 1: Reggie Bush

package 2: Mario Williams, Eric Winston, and $10 Million

Both teams are actively looking for any way to move down, and the Titans and J-E-T-S and Packers know they dont need to move because they know they will make out quite well standing pat

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Both teams are actively looking for any way to move down, and the Titan and J-E-T-S and Packers know yhey dont need to move because they know they will make out quite well standing pat

 

[psychobillies]

If Drew Brees' contract wasn't really a 1-year deal, I would discount entirely the notion of New Orleans taking a QB as leverage. But that's not the case. Remember, even though the Chargers took Eli with an eye toward getting Rivers, they had to be willing to keep Eli (i.e, call San Diego's bluff). Same thing with New Orleans...I think an NFL franchise can't afford to draft someone it really wouldn't be happy to pay #2 money if there's no suitor.

Agreed. I would not be surprised at all given Brees' contract if they went QB at #2. J

I don't agree that the Brees contract was only a one year deal. The Saints will be able to cut him if they want, but it will be easy to pay him his bonus in the second year as well. They only wrote it that way in order to protect themselves from the injury. I think the Saints see Brees as their franchise QB, and unless he can't play, he will be here for a long time.

 

[crimsonrebel]

I see williams as the least likely to be drafted by the saints barring a trade. they already have 2 good young DE's. Why draft a 3rd when you have holes at the LB, OT, and TE position?

 

[Sidewinder]

all this just shows how desparately the Saints want to move down ...

Both teams are actively looking for any way to move down, and the Titans and J-E-T-S and Packers know they dont need to move because they know they will make out quite well standing pat

You continually bang this drum. However, two absolute facts exist: if any of those teams (and you can certainly add SF and Oak) want to guarantee themselves a certain player, they have to trade up. If they are happy to take whomever remains, obviously they don't. The second fact is, you have no knowledge that the Saints "desperately" want out of the #2. They've handled this situation as best as they can so far -- by creating doubt about who they really want, which in a sense increases the value of the pick. And as a matter of discussion, none of us know if GB or SF "desperately" want Mario or if the Jets "desperately" want Bush or Leinart.

 

[jetsman]

Sidewinder your absolute fact is true, however it is not true for your Saints. a team can only guarantee that they can only get a certain player by getting the Texans pick..... not the Saints. thats the only absolute until the Texans either Sign someone before the draft or the Saints are on the Clock. I'm just pointing out that that the only way the Saints and Texans absolutely can only pick up additional assets, is if they can entice someone to move up..... which according to the facts, they are trying yo do.

If the Saints and Texans did not want to acquire additional assets, why not say we're not interested in moving, the Absolute fact is they desparately do want to increase their assets. To say otherwise is foolish and belies the actual reports coming out on a daily basis.

I'm just saying that talentwise and resource wise, there is less reason for teams to move up this year amont the top 5 teams. Otherwise why dont the Saints want to trade down to 15 to get additional picks ? We know why.... They also agree that there is a small group of elite talents that they wouldnt get at 15.