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QB Jameis Winston, NO (4 Viewers)
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oddsbodkins
Footballguy
I'm debating dropping him for Fitzpatrick and using up my remaining FAAB. Of course, I think it's more likely they stick with Jameis because the coach isn't making this decision. They bench Winston, it's over. I think I have to stick with him...
Get out! GET OUT! GET THE F### OUT OF HERE!
Seriously, I think the whole situation is a stay-away. How can you ever be sure either one of them will finish a game? Plus a tough match-up coming @ Carolina next week. Cut your losses and find someone else. Anyone else.
I dropped Jameis for Mayfield.
habsfan
Footballguy
I'm only quoting you with respect to the objectivity, which I think is challenging because his play has been (and remains) an extremely broad spectrum of outcomes. Yes he's 24 but he also has 20 more NFL starts than Brees had at that age. That data point and comparison is neither here nor there really. The point is, when do you turn the page from "he's got a bright future" to "he is what he is"?
Ironically, I think he and Fitzmagic are two sides of the same coin, separated more by age than anything else. One is a "journeyman backup" and the other is still a conversation with respect to an NFL franchise making a significant commitment to him. At this point, anything remotely close to a Brees career arc is probably off the table. I would bet it looks a lot more like Fitz's.
oddsbodkins
Footballguy
I have Dak, who is slightly trending up but trying to make a deal for Brady involving picks.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Today certainly isn't the day for me to look at it objectively. I think he's probably done in Tampa at this point. His 5th year option is only guaranteed for injury. It wouldn't surprise me if he was inactive the rest of the season.
If they give him another opportunity I hope he succeeds with it, but at this point I wouldn't expect him to. He looks lost. He missed the first 3 games and still leads the NFL in turnovers.
BassNBrew
Footballguy
Really?
Tampa has a half a season to figure out what they have. Can't do that with him inactive. They aren't making the playoffs. Even if Fitz is better, are you hitching your wagon to him going forward? And if Fitz is better, every win he gets just makes it that much more difficult to draft a QB next year.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
I'm just saying it wouldn't surprise me. If they start Winston and he gets hurt they're on the hook for $20M next year. They could make Fitzpatrick the starter for this year and next. It's a bad draft for QBs anyway. Mariota may be available soon. Teddy Bridgewater. Fitzpatrick has looked nails with these weapons. I wanted to see Winston with the same personnel and I have. He's laid an egg.
I've defended him to no end. Maybe it's just the bad taste still being there from this game, but he looks inept out there sometimes and I don't know how it's going to get better.
Both Winston and Koetter have been there since 2015.
Seems like the figuring out process should be wrapping up by now.
habsfan
Footballguy
They have a 47 game/start sample size already. Are eight more really going to clear things up?
NeverEnough
Footballguy
Let's not forget Fitz has tossed a few INTs in games as well. So why does Winston get benched & Fitz is suddenly perfect? Poor coaching & management in TB IMO
BassNBrew
Footballguy
I don't know. He was hurt last year and the suspension this year probably didn't help. If I'm Tampa, I'm not cutting a #1 pick at QB until I'm 110% sure he's a wash out.
habsfan
Footballguy
The only difference between the two in my mind is one is an ideal "caretaker/transitional" QB and the other will be looking for a fresh start to continue his career as a starter.
babydemon90
Footballguy
I think they start Winston this week, but we'll see. if you officially bench him and start Fitzpatrick, you're sending the message he's done. I think they give him a few more chances.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Osaurus
Footballguy
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eNdblu
Footballguy
Maybe Dolphins or Jags? Both are in the playoff race.
Maybe NYG if they decide to pull the plug on Eli and feel that Winston can help speed up their rebuild?
I'm sure that there's a GM that feels like Winston can perform under the right circumstances... I mean look at Bradford. He's been conning teams with his draft status and untapped potential for years.
Dark Matter
Footballguy
He has lost the ball 90 times in 45 games at what point do you say enough is enough? As stated above, TB is on the hook for $21M if Winston gets hurt. I think we've seen the last of Jamies this season in Tampa.
Don't think it would be hard to trade him at all if they are inclined and I think people would be surprised what he'd draw back.
Jags, Giants and Dolphins.
I don't think a guy that would very likely struggle to pick up a new playbook would be a better option than Bortles, Tannehill or Osweiler.
It'd be so Giants to move on from Eli to Winston. It'd be hard to top last year's trainwreck, but this would have a good shot at it.
It'd be so Giants to move on from Eli to Winston. It'd be hard to top last year's trainwreck, but this would have a good shot at it.
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Grahamburn
Footballguy
Good time to buy low if any head coach or GM thinks they can fix the turnovers.
btemp
Footballguy
Uhhhhh, the Bucs know what they have in Winston. They knew what they had coming into this season but hoped it magically turned around. He had a couple great games last season vs Buffalo and Atlanta where he played remarkedly better football. He wasn't turning it over, he was checking it down, he was going through is reads.
But those games have been the exception going back to FSU.
The reality is that Winston's RS FS season was an anomaly. I said this on the last page: WInston has been very consistent: he's great on intermediate throws, he is inaccurate on the quick game and can't lead WRs (which is why he had ~1/2 the YAC of Fitz), he can't hit the deep ball, he turns the ball over at a high rate on overthrows and wrong reads, he struggles to identify the defense in general, he's not afraid to make any throw which leads to great plays and lots of stupid ones, he holds on to the ball too long, he can be mobile at times, he takes too many hits...
I'll give a short example: there's a Bucs fan I know who breaks down the All22. He'd show film of Koetter making great play calls last year with a C3 beater on the left and a man beater on the right. The team would be in C3 but Winston would fail to make the pre-snap read and go to the right and have to force a tight throw. And at times he'd throw a dime and it would be great.
But this is exactly who Winston has been since his sophomore year at FSU. Everyone knows who he is because he's never changed. People (and the Bucs) were just deluding themselves.
But those games have been the exception going back to FSU.
The reality is that Winston's RS FS season was an anomaly. I said this on the last page: WInston has been very consistent: he's great on intermediate throws, he is inaccurate on the quick game and can't lead WRs (which is why he had ~1/2 the YAC of Fitz), he can't hit the deep ball, he turns the ball over at a high rate on overthrows and wrong reads, he struggles to identify the defense in general, he's not afraid to make any throw which leads to great plays and lots of stupid ones, he holds on to the ball too long, he can be mobile at times, he takes too many hits...
I'll give a short example: there's a Bucs fan I know who breaks down the All22. He'd show film of Koetter making great play calls last year with a C3 beater on the left and a man beater on the right. The team would be in C3 but Winston would fail to make the pre-snap read and go to the right and have to force a tight throw. And at times he'd throw a dime and it would be great.
But this is exactly who Winston has been since his sophomore year at FSU. Everyone knows who he is because he's never changed. People (and the Bucs) were just deluding themselves.
Aznflyer14
Footballguy
Winston is toasted... I mean... he should be officially done in TBB. He had a golden opportunity to attack Bengals' porous defense with his talent offensive play-makers and he failed miserably. What TBB really need a competent and smart system manager as QB to utilize TBB's talent receivers.
Agree with this. They probably shouldn't have benched Fitzpatrick in the first place. The coaches are coaching for their jobs, Fitzpatrick wins games, including the only win over the Saints all season. The players prefer Fitzpatrick as well. I really can't see a single reason to start Winston, and it makes far more sense to trade him, or possibly even make him a healthy scratch.
Osaurus
Footballguy
tackle for loss
Footballguy
I love how I get mocked for my predictions, but since people dont want to give my my due, I'll do it myself. ;-)
https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/topic/706195-official-jameis-winston-football-talk/?page=113&tab=comments#comment-21439079
the links below are not good predictions...
https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/topic/706195-official-jameis-winston-football-talk/?do=findComment&comment=21440735
https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/topic/706195-official-jameis-winston-football-talk/?do=findComment&comment=21440604
https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/topic/706195-official-jameis-winston-football-talk/?do=findComment&comment=21441564
https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/topic/706195-official-jameis-winston-football-talk/?page=113&tab=comments#comment-21439079
the links below are not good predictions...
https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/topic/706195-official-jameis-winston-football-talk/?do=findComment&comment=21440735
https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/topic/706195-official-jameis-winston-football-talk/?do=findComment&comment=21440604
https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/topic/706195-official-jameis-winston-football-talk/?do=findComment&comment=21441564
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oddsbodkins
Footballguy
Fellow Winston owners, are we adding Fitz or looking elsewhere? I only have Mariota, Rosen, Tannehill, Keenum and Eli in my league available.
Hilts
Footballguy
Ouch. I'd rather gamble on Fitzpatrick, but there's a major concern he'll get yanked again. But Eli or Rosen as the alternatives? I'll take my chances.
Dizzy
Footballguy
Easily prefer Fitz to any of those guys. As bad as Winston was, he was still a viable QB1, while its unrealistic to assume Fitz plays as well as he did the first month of the season, even counting the Bears benching, only Mahomes had more points the first 4 weeks.
doeseatplace
Footballguy
I picked up Baker (though I only need a one-week fill-in). Tampa has a tough match-up at Carolina this week. Also, I rode this rollercoaster last year with Tyrod. How can you feel comfortable starting a QB if you're never sure he'll be allowed to finish the game?
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
I have no idea who you are, but I grew up on Barry Sanders. Pretend like you've been right before, save the celebrations for the guys who just scored their first and last TDs.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
matuski
Footballguy
You have 60 posts. You couldn't possibly have been mocked much.
Nobody knows who you are.
NeverEnough
Footballguy
I own Winston in 1 keeper & will be putting in a ww claim to drop him for Fitz. I only need a QB for Goff's bye.
CalBear
Footballguy
Rodrigo Duterte
Footballguy
On his short interception over the middle -- I think it was the 4th one, not sure -- did anyone else notice #69 (Dotson?) look back at Jameis, after the INT, like WTF??? And then throw his arms up in the air? He did it quickly because he had to go and try to tackle the guy but it was funny. He'd definitely had enough.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
dead wrong on this guy. cutting bait. back to Goff, begging him to take me back
TZMarkie
Footballguy
While I agree many of us may have been wrong on Jameis the QB, I still stand by what many of us alluded to back earlier in this and the Fitz thread. Dan, I don't think its right to think you were "dead wrong", as the situation is still the same.
We WERE NOT wrong on the situation. That defense will still lead to a great scenario for FF and numbers.
I had Wilson in 2 leagues where I own Jameis (because I liked Wilson's playoff matchups better), and in the other league I went and quickly snapped Fitz again. In the 2 leagues where I have Wilson, I should still be close enough to roll with him from here on out. But in the one league I grabbed Fitz again, I need to start swinging for the fences.
Its still a recipe for big numbers in TB, regardless of who is the QB there.
The only issue now is, you have to think there is always the possibility of either one of these guys being pulled (or put in) at any time.
(On a personal note - I will lose one of my matchups this week by roughly one point and you have to think if Winston was left in, he would have given me plenty to overcome that. I will lose yet another close one, by less than 10 points there too.) So take it firsthand that these benchings can cost us wins and losses. It may very well cost me a playoff shot in one league.
Regardless of how this transpires, this will always be in the back of my mind if I trot out either one of these guys.
This is going to be interesting for sure.
TZM
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Interseptopus
Footballguy
yes, true, the TB qb has amazing upside and league winning potentialTZMarkie said:
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
Otis fits 60 posts into an average client lunch.CalBear said:
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