he's cheap because nothing separates him from anyone around him...and he comes with way more risk in that he hasn't shown anything to dateI’ve never seen a cheaper top 12 fantasy QB before.
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Hot Sauce Guy
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Except when he went 5-0 the year they traded for him with rags around him at WR you mean?
Or are you referring to game 3 dress rehearsal when he carved up the Chiefs on a flawless drive showing both touch & power in his passes, making quality throws, dumping off to a RB against the blitz & hitting Breida for the long TD on the wheel route? He has better weapons this year, and looks to be 100% healthy. And I think he’s got a chip on his shoulder from 2 months of everyone trashing him.
I think paying attention to games that matter is better than following the “sky is falling” narrative with a player coming back from injury.
add to that the 49ers defense still looks to be a work in progress, and that’s a recipe for shootouts.
IMO JimmyG is a genuine sleeper this year.
Bold call: He’ll outperform at least 10 QBs taken ahead of him for fantasy purposes.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I too am still a believer.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I wasn’t until the week 3 dress rehearsal.
I wasn’t wearing homer glasses, either. I was looking for fault, as I’d been pessimistic based on the entire preseason body of work.
I came away really, really impressed with what I saw.
Niners have more receiving weapons than people think, and JimmyG looked fantastic.!
did you just reference a preseason football game as proof someone is going to be great? I'm not even sure how to respond to that
You can believe what you want to believe but the guy has shown nothing so far. He's the next Elvis Grbac in my books
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Game 3 is the dress rehearsal.
Playbooks are expanded, starters played for a half.
your incredulity is unwarranted there - preseason may be largely meaningless, but it is universally acknowledged that week 3 is quality indicator of what to expect from an NFL team.
Not always, as nothing is infallible, but it’s the most insight one can get to an upcoming season from a given team.
If you choose to ignore or disregard that, it will only be to your detriment as a fantasy manager & football fan.
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Sorry if i came across on condescending. That was not my intent but one drive in a meaningless preseason game does prove anything in my eyes.Game 3 is the dress rehearsal.
Playbooks are expanded, starters played for a half.
your incredulity is unwarranted there - preseason may be largely meaningless, but it is universally acknowledged that week 3 is quality indicator of what to expect from an NFL team.
Not always, as nothing is infallible, but it’s the most insight one can get to an upcoming season from a given team.
If you choose to ignore or disregard that, it will only be to your detriment as a fantasy manager & football fan.
The condescension is unnecessary though.
At this point I think he is a huge question mark for sure. And as I said, your opinion is just as valid as mind, but I've seen enough to think he doesn't have what it takes to put him over the hump and has enough concern that I think he's your average qb until he's a backup somewhere in 3 years.
Edit to add that I do think one positive is that the wr's and tes around him are quite good so hopefully that helps
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
All good - words on a screen & all that. No worries.
Oh he definitely has question marks.
But the upside was clearly on display. So to that effect, I think he did show us something. He showed what he was capable of:
• touch passes
• screens
• effective playaction
• threw on a rope with power behind the pass (a sign his knee isn’t an issue since he was stepping into his throws effectively)
• checking down to his 2nd, 3rd receiver & still getting it out quickly dumping it off against the blitz (sometimes QBs are sheepish/jittery, or afraid to stand in the pocket against a pass rush after knee surgery)
• ability to find/use his weapons.
he hit 5 different receivers on that drive, with 5 different types of passes.
Nothing is for sure, and there are questions, no doubt. But you can’t say he’s shown “nothing” - that’s a whole lot of something on that list.
Passed the eye test for me. I took him as a backup QB. I also took Stafford just in case since we have big rosters, but I consider JimmyG my QB2.
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Gary Coal Man
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Then why did a football genius like Bill Belichick so desperately want to keep him? Why did a offensive guru like Kyle Shanahan want to acquire him? They both must see something.
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Nobody knows what Belichick thinks...
And it's not like Coaches misfire on players probably 80% of the time.
The only facts that are on the table is that he was extremely middle to end of the road last year in terms of being an nfl qb. Even his stats during the end of the previous year were pretty meh. Throw in now that he may or may not being have confidence problems and has looked worse in practice and preseason than he's looked good. You can ignore that all you want based one what you think Belichick though but until I see something different, he's an average guy to me.
Wingnut
Footballguy
I thought he was staring down his receivers quite a bit in that Chiefs game, it didnt seem like he was going through his reads at all on the majority of his dropbacks.
That said, I think he will be fine, he will have ups and downs as he learns the intricacies of playing the position that only come with playing time, but I think overall he will progress and take a step forward by the end of the season. For a 2nd round QB that has only a handful of starts in the NFL and is still learning Shanahans offense, thats about all I can realistically hope for. Hes not gonna step in and be an MVP candidate or set the league on fire like Mahomes did, Id be happy if he finishes as a top 10-12 QB this season, and that seems pretty attainable if he stays healthy.
That said, I think he will be fine, he will have ups and downs as he learns the intricacies of playing the position that only come with playing time, but I think overall he will progress and take a step forward by the end of the season. For a 2nd round QB that has only a handful of starts in the NFL and is still learning Shanahans offense, thats about all I can realistically hope for. Hes not gonna step in and be an MVP candidate or set the league on fire like Mahomes did, Id be happy if he finishes as a top 10-12 QB this season, and that seems pretty attainable if he stays healthy.
kittenmittens
Footballguy
Garoppolo stinks.
Mullens >= Jimmy G
Mullens >= Jimmy G
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
The pass to Kittle was fine. That was a bogus penalty.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Garrapolo looking pretty solid IMO.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Oops
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The Frankman
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kittenmittens
Footballguy
How did he look this week? Had TV problems this weekend and couldn't watch the game...
It looks like he put up a really good game from the stats.
Offense looked good. I also think the Bucs defense is going to be a lot better than people initially thought.
The Frankman
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The Frankman
Footballguy
Rainy, miserable weather but yeah; not a good game for Jimmy G.
bolldpt
Footballguy
Anarchy99
Footballguy
At one point, Trent Dilfer had a stretch where he went 16-1 between his time in TB and BAL and won a Super Bowl, with those teams compiling a +242 point scoring differential in that time. Clearly numbers don't always tell the entire story.
Wingnut
Footballguy
Given the different eras and different rules, it's neither interesting nor a real comparison.
Wingnut
Footballguy
"I realize it is a different era with different rules so the stats are basically meaningless, but I thought this misleading comparison was somehow interesting"
Wingnut
Footballguy
Jimmy ranks 9th in ESPNs QBR through 7 weeks
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EHlEjTAXkAAN60J?format=jpg&name=medium
http://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EHlEjTAXkAAN60J?format=jpg&name=medium
http://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr
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Flying Elvis
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Jimmy did exactly what he needed to do when the team needed it. He looked incredible.
Flying Elvis
Footballguy
Yes, but this is the first game he's had to put up big numbers to earn the win, rather than just manage the lead provided by the DST (or inept opposing offense).
The Frankman
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The General
Footballguy
Mixed bag for Jimmy G. Threw some ducks up there tonight and should have been picked off a few times, missing throws. Also had receivers dropping stuff and missing his top guys.
Wingnut
Footballguy
Never heard of this Jason Smith guy, but Im sure his opinion will matter to someone out there.
Wingnut
Footballguy
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