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QB Jimmy Garoppolo, LAR (2 Viewers)
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Anarchy99
Footballguy
#1 he's not going to be available and #2 Garoppolo is not really an upgrade, especially not for $25M a season. If Jimmy gets released and signs a low dollar deal then maybe he would be worth a shot, but the numbers show Garoppolo is a below average QB. Bottom line, whether it's Cam or Jimmy taking the snaps this year, NE won't be going far with either one of them.
If the cost is prohibitive to move up and the QB's are all gone by 15, NE can still get a high impact player to further help the team. Yes, they will probably be a fringe playoff contender and probably would end up 9-8 or 10-7, but IMO there will be very little difference if Cam or Jimmy is their QB.
Boston
Footballguy
I really disagree strongly...Jimmy G is by no means an All Pro but he is far superior to Cam and IMO it is not even close...Cam is washed up and there is not an analytic around that will tell me what I saw last year did not happen.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
All the talk on Boston talk radio is Jimmy is coming back. All the former Patriots players in the media are saying Jimmy is coming back. So if NE isn’t interested, then all these guys will be way off. Maybe their interest is only if he gets released. But as of now they couldn’t trade for him as they are miles away from having enough cap room to trade for him.
The media here doesn’t quite get how the salary cap works, as they have suggested they will trade for Garoppolo and then redo his contract. Except teams have to take on the contract as is and be under the cap at the time of the trade. So his $25M salary wouldn’t fit with only $11M in cap room.
The media here doesn’t quite get how the salary cap works, as they have suggested they will trade for Garoppolo and then redo his contract. Except teams have to take on the contract as is and be under the cap at the time of the trade. So his $25M salary wouldn’t fit with only $11M in cap room.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
There are currently only two teams that have enough cap room to acquire JG at the moment . . . JAC and DEN. Not sure there is much chance of him getting traded.
Boston
Footballguy
He has a no trade contract...my guess is if he gets traded it is to a place he wants to go and re-doing the contract will be part of it.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Except JG would have to redo the deal while still a member of the 49ers (unless his new team could take on his full 2021 cap hit at the time of the trade). Any money that SF either converts to a bonus or gets added on as bonus money would become SF's problem (including the associated cap hit), not the acquiring team. So either SF would have to be willing to eat the cap hit for giving him more money upfront or JG would have to be willing to forgo any upfront money . . . and neither one of those makes much sense.
If you remember, this was the same situation that NE went through in trading for Randy Moss. They need Moss to rework his deal with OAK before they acquired him. When he landed on the NE roster, Moss thought he could just immediately rework his deal again, but the rule is players can only renegotiate once per calendar year.
Maybe there is some creative workaround like giving JG an extension and pushing most of the cap hit into future or dummy years to lower his 2021 cap number, but how Garoppolo could then recoup that money from his new team is above my pay grade. I still think it is in Jimmy G's best interest to be irritating and get his outright release vs. having to take 50 cents on the dollar to facilitate a trade. From SF's side, I think it will be hard to move him with his current contract, so they will have to decide if they would rather get a better draft pick in return and throw in some money or get a limited return (or cut him) to get him off their roster.
I wonder what the league as a whole values Garoppolo, as he has been hurt so much that a team would really have concerns how much he would be able to play each year (and what they would feel he is worth paying).
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I'm all ears if you can figure out how to accomplish this (even though I don't think NE should go after JG). NE at the moment has $15M in cap space, but they need to allocate half of that for Patrick Chung retiring and to sign their rookie picks. So effectively they have $7.5M to work with. Jimmy G would carry a $25.5M salary cap charge. How would NE be able to pull off a trade for JG?
jtd13
Footballguy
That situation could make sense to my untrained mind. Maybe Jimmy decides it's worth it to play in NE and recover his value for $12m, the pats decide it's worth giving up a 2 to get Jimmy for $5m, and the niners decide it's worth paying $7m to get a 2 for JG instead of paying nothing and getting nothing?
Or maybe it's impossible for all 4 numbers to line up.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
There are probably ways (and alternative moves) that could make things work. That being said, I doubt NE would offer a 2nd given that they could end up being the only legitimate suitors. This situation has been discussed so much here in Boston that I am getting sick of listening to it, but the talking heads seem to think all NE needs to do is offer slightly more than the few teams that don't end up with a hot shot rookie. So it's possible the only teams in the mix could be CHI and WFT (if they even want JG . . . and they can't afford him). The local media thinks it may only take a late 3rd or a 4th to land Garoppolo . . . and it may even be in next year's draft.
That being said, I don't think JG is that big an upgrade for NE and would much rather they try to get one of the rookies. My opinion might change slightly depending upon what it takes to get him and what they have to pay him. But if the answer to that question is a first round pick and $25-26M a year, then I say no thanks. IMO, his upside is limited and he is can't be relied upon to be available all the time. Certainly other people have better hope for him than I do, but I think he is not the answer in NE.
jtd13
Footballguy
Yeah, I was just making up numbers for the sake of the example, including the pick (that was the 4th variable besides what NE pays, SF pays, and JG makes). That's probably a valid statement that there's just not a market of teams he'd be an upgrade for that could afford him, so it wouldn't take that high of a pick.
I'm surprised to hear anyone say he's not a big upgrade over Cam, but I guess I can't say I've seen all that much of JG. I just thought Cam still looked like burnt toast last year.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
PFF graded Cam at 70.9 last year in NE. They had Garoppolo at 67.5 / 77.9 / 62.6 his last three seasons, arguably with much better weapons than Newton had to work with. If nothing else, Jimmy G not worth what he’s been paid.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Funny how the same situation gets reported different ways.
Adam Schefter: 'New England or no one' if 49ers trade Jimmy Garoppolo
The discussion on the radio was that there are no other suitors for JG, and even though Schefter initially threw out a 2nd rounder as compensation, after some debate, the price dropped to a 3rd or a 4th because NE is not bidding against anyone else.
Tom Curran: The Jimmy G homecoming seems almost inevitable now
Curran doubled and tripled down last night on TV saying that Garoppolo is all but a done deal coming back to NE. It certainly didn't sound like his opinion or speculation.
NESN's Dale Arnold: Patriots are working on a new contract for Jimmy G
Here's the entire tweet: What I’ve been told, by a reliable source - Patriots are working on a new contract for Jimmy G that could lead to a deal with 49ers. Same source who correctly told me Tom Brady had signed with Buccaneers. Doesn’t mean it will get done, but they’re working on it.
Fox Sports: JIMMY GAROPPOLO COULD BE HEADED BACK TO THE NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS
Skip Bayless: "Will he move back to Foxborough? I'm going to say a big yes to that."
5 landing spots and trade packages for QB Jimmy Garoppolo
They propose Garoppolo and pick 194 for picks 122 and 139.
On the flip side . . .
Athletic's Jeff Howe: Nothing happening between the Patriots and Jimmy Garoppolo
Entire tweet: Nothing happening between the Patriots and Jimmy Garoppolo at this time, according to two sources.
Per Schefter: 49ers Field Multiple Trade Inquiries For Garoppolo
From the same guy that yesterday said SF has no other team interested in JG except NE.
Adam Schefter: 'New England or no one' if 49ers trade Jimmy Garoppolo
The discussion on the radio was that there are no other suitors for JG, and even though Schefter initially threw out a 2nd rounder as compensation, after some debate, the price dropped to a 3rd or a 4th because NE is not bidding against anyone else.
Tom Curran: The Jimmy G homecoming seems almost inevitable now
Curran doubled and tripled down last night on TV saying that Garoppolo is all but a done deal coming back to NE. It certainly didn't sound like his opinion or speculation.
NESN's Dale Arnold: Patriots are working on a new contract for Jimmy G
Here's the entire tweet: What I’ve been told, by a reliable source - Patriots are working on a new contract for Jimmy G that could lead to a deal with 49ers. Same source who correctly told me Tom Brady had signed with Buccaneers. Doesn’t mean it will get done, but they’re working on it.
Fox Sports: JIMMY GAROPPOLO COULD BE HEADED BACK TO THE NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS
Skip Bayless: "Will he move back to Foxborough? I'm going to say a big yes to that."
5 landing spots and trade packages for QB Jimmy Garoppolo
They propose Garoppolo and pick 194 for picks 122 and 139.
On the flip side . . .
Athletic's Jeff Howe: Nothing happening between the Patriots and Jimmy Garoppolo
Entire tweet: Nothing happening between the Patriots and Jimmy Garoppolo at this time, according to two sources.
Per Schefter: 49ers Field Multiple Trade Inquiries For Garoppolo
From the same guy that yesterday said SF has no other team interested in JG except NE.
Thunderlips
Footballguy
Part of me is hoping the 9ers are smoke screening on this; they keep Jimmy G and they draft Kyle Pitts to go with Kittle.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I get that you don't really think SF will take PItts, but teams don't trade three firsts and a third to draft a TE. They just don't . . . even if the guy looks like the next Tony Gonzalez. In the SB era, the only TE drafted in the Top 5 was Riley Odoms (taken 5th in 1972).
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Personally I suspect if they’re stuck with JimmyG (and there’s always a chance a deal does get done) that it’s more likely they take Lance or Fields & let them marinate on the bench to develop further.
nittanylion
Footballguy
Kyle Shanahan: a true chip off the ol' block. He keeps playing his cards right, he's going to net a windfall in trade, some time in the next few weeks.
