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Just a thought on the convo with Joe (whom I'll leave out of this) further up about the division - this administration is different from prior Republican and Democratic administrations. We have all ha

This is actually a great example of why most don’t take threads like this you create seriously at all. Just because a poll of the regular far left forum posters wants to vote themselves moderate and y

I think the overwhelming majority of social media users, regardless of their political leanings, tend to put themselves in a bubble.

So far this is confirming my preconceived notions that A. This board is predominantly anti-Trump, but B. It leans liberal, but not nearly to the extent that it's anti-Trump. 

It also confirms what others have said which is this board has moved away from conservatives in recent years.  Nearly half of the respondents didn't vote for Obama in 2012, so it's safe to assume we're not just talking about lifelong, card carrying Democrats who are anti-Trump here.  

 

 

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5 minutes ago, jon_mx said:

Isn't he simply saying he does not feel at home in any of those lables.  I am not following what is wrong.  

Find better ways to make your snarky point without using "homeless". It's important / sensitive to me. 

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Just now, quick-hands said:

I think "other" covers it.

It does but it also kind of assumes there exists some other party which is appropriate.   If he really believes no party exists, 'none' would cover it or homeless as he put it. 

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7 minutes ago, Joe Bryant said:

Find better ways to make your snarky point without using "homeless". It's important / sensitive to me. 

That is your call, but i did not believe there was any snarkiness in the post.  He just sincerely does not feel represented by any party. 

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In case anyone is interested, I answered moderately liberal, independent, Obama, and anti-Trump.

I'm socially liberal but fiscally conservative. I wanted Ron Paul in 2012 and John Kasich in 2016.  Until the Republican Party stops being against common sense gun regulation, against climate change regulation, and against universal healthcare, it is dead to me.  

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I know for me, my political views have changed over time.  From roughly age 18 to 30, I was moderately liberal.  From age 30 to age 60, I was moderately conservative.  But after 20 years working as a tax director at a multi-family office with families whose minimum net worth is $100 million, I now find myself aligned as very liberal at age 61.  I supported Bernie Sanders for President...  gave the maximum allowed by law to his campaign.   I fully support his proposal for a tax on extreme wealth as well as his proposal for College for All.  As strongly as I felt towards Bernie for President, I don't feel quite as strongly about Biden, though I am leaning heavily towards voting in his favor this November.  I just think we as a country could do so much better and I think Bernie's notions were on the right track.  I probably would have scoffed at his notions as recently as 10 years ago.  

1.  Very liberal

2.  I'm an independent

3.  I voted for Romney in 2012

4.  I think Trump is too divisive for me, so anti-trump.  

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28 minutes ago, The General said:

Why is this?

I'm pretty certain it's the condescension and snarkiness for people that aren't in the majority here.

The recent "well of course this site is anti trump, most people here are educated" is a perfect example. It's not overtly terrible. But the tool factor for that kind of stuff is off the charts.

I know everyone loves to paint every conservative as Rush Limbaugh or Ben Shapiro just looking to spar. The vast majority of Conservatives I know are kind people. They see the room here and realize there are tons better ways to spend their time.

I've said it often. If I were conservative, I wouldn't consider engaging in this forum. And I think that's pretty discouraging.

As I said on another thread, what's more discouraging is I have no idea how to change it. And truthfully, I don't have the energy. So my expectation is we continue to have the same lopsided perspective we've had for a while. It's comfortable for a ton of people to be in the majority and enjoy the privilege that comes with that. I don't expect it'll change. It is what it is. 

 

 

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Just now, Joe Bryant said:

I'm pretty certain it's the condescension and snarkiness for people that aren't in the majority here.

The recent "well of course this site is anti trump, most people here are educated" is a perfect example. It's not overtly terrible. But the tool factor for that kind of stuff is off the charts.

I know everyone loves to paint every conservative as Rush Limbaugh or Ben Shapiro just looking to spar. The vast majority of Conservatives I know are kind people. They see the room here and realize there are tons better ways to spend their time.

I've said it often. If I were conservative, I wouldn't consider engaging in this forum. And I think that's pretty discouraging.

What's more discouraging is I have no idea how to change it. And truthfully, I don't have the energy. So my expectation is we continue to have the same lopsided perspective we've had for a while. It's comfortable for a ton of people to be in the majority and enjoy the privilege that comes with that. I don't expect it'll change. It is what it is. 

 

 

Why is this about Trump though I guess is what I’m saying.

If it’s about their ideals and beliefs they don’t have to support Don when he runs counter to them. 

I can name quite a few conservative leaning posters (at least I’m pretty certain they are) that have no issues doing this and can also support ideas that I disagree with but also understand.

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1 minute ago, The General said:

If that is it they shouldn’t try. Join the voice of reason and take back your beliefs. 

I think many went down the track of rationalization instead.  Trump is disgusting, but the baby-killing, 2nd Amendment hating, socialist alternative is worse.  

I think that may be why we're finally seeing a shift away from Trump thanks to his handling of Covid. It's easy to rationalize when things aren't close to home.  When you and your family's life is at stake, that's a bridge too far.   

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9 minutes ago, The General said:

Why is this about Trump though I guess is what I’m saying.

If it’s about their ideals and beliefs they don’t have to support Don when he runs counter to them. 

I can name quite a few conservative leaning posters (at least I’m pretty certain they are) that have no issues doing this and can also support ideas that I disagree with but also understand.

For lots of reasons. I know a ton of people who voted for Trump as the lesser of two bad choices. And the way that works is they become a "Trump voter" with no nuance given. It's the Jemele Hill "If you vote for Donald Trump, you are a racist. You have no wiggle room." :shrug:

And for sure, there will be a handful of conservative posters who don't mind the condescension and snark. But not many. So you get what we have here. But if you're in the majority, it's pretty cool and comfortable. I can see why people like it. 

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24 minutes ago, Joe Bryant said:

I'm pretty certain it's the condescension and snarkiness for people that aren't in the majority here.

Maybe. But I recall plenty of condescension and snark from both sides during the Bush and Obama years around here. That being said, there did seem to be a more respectful exchanging of ideas then.

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4 minutes ago, Joe Bryant said:

For lots of reasons. I know a ton of people who voted for Trump as the lesser of two bad choices. And the way that works is they become a "Trump voter" with no nuance given. It's the Jemele Hill "If you vote for Donald Trump, you are a racist. You have no wiggle room." :shrug:

And for sure, there will be a handful of conservative posters who don't mind the condescension and snark. But not many. So you get what we have here. But if you're in the majority, it's pretty cool and comfortable. I can see why people like it. 

Fair enough.

Hillary Clinton was not popular in here. I’m guessing at most 1 in 5 would say something positive. Biden probably not fairing much better honestly.

I get she’s a cold blooded robot but I think she would have made a fantastic Prez and at the very least much, much better than Trump.

She probably would have done things I didn’t agree with as well.

Should be able to separate the two. 

Agreed Trump’s shtick of trolling makes this hard.

IMO he’s a one off and we won’t see this again. 

 

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Moderately liberal

Democrat

Romney

Anti-Trump

I voted Johnson in 2016 in protest of the GOP for becoming a freaking clown show. And it seems my ex party has doubled down, forcing this fiscal conservative to the Ds. 

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39 minutes ago, Joe Bryant said:

I'm pretty certain it's the condescension and snarkiness for people that aren't in the majority here.

The recent "well of course this site is anti trump, most people here are educated" is a perfect example. It's not overtly terrible. But the tool factor for that kind of stuff is off the charts.

I know everyone loves to paint every conservative as Rush Limbaugh or Ben Shapiro just looking to spar. The vast majority of Conservatives I know are kind people. They see the room here and realize there are tons better ways to spend their time.

I've said it often. If I were conservative, I wouldn't consider engaging in this forum. And I think that's pretty discouraging.

As I said on another thread, what's more discouraging is I have no idea how to change it. And truthfully, I don't have the energy. So my expectation is we continue to have the same lopsided perspective we've had for a while. It's comfortable for a ton of people to be in the majority and enjoy the privilege that comes with that. I don't expect it'll change. It is what it is. 

 

 

If I were a conservative, I’d probably be pretty unenthusiastic in engaging in political discussions anywhere as it appears that hardly anyone is advocating for truly conservative principles in the current political climate. For many, the Trump administration and the mostly consistent Republican leadership have largely betrayed many bedrock conservative principles, and Lord knows they don’t have much in common with the most prominent voices in the Democratic Party. 

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Voted Moderately Conservative / Other / Obama / Anti-Trump

I tend to vote conservatively in local elections, but less so in national elections.

I feel like the far-left Democrats (AOC, Omar, etc.) tend to be more figurehead than power brokers, whereas the far-right Republicans pretty much run the party.

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, Joe Bryant said:

Find better ways to make your snarky point without using "homeless". It's important / sensitive to me. 

Sorry Joe. Just seeing this, Did not mean anything by it, I use that comment about myself all the time. Maybe "lost" would be better. I certainly did not mean any harm and I'm sorry if the comment came across as wrong in any way.

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1 hour ago, The General said:

Why is this about Trump though I guess is what I’m saying.

If it’s about their ideals and beliefs they don’t have to support Don when he runs counter to them. 

I can name quite a few conservative leaning posters (at least I’m pretty certain they are) that have no issues doing this and can also support ideas that I disagree with but also understand.

Agreed. I dint think actual conservative thought is what is put down.  But support for Trump and the manner in which some of that support is shown (like applauding the tearing down of guys like Mattis and Fauci)

As I said in another thread, the issue right now IMO, is actual conservatism is missing almost everywhere I look.  Outside of abortion and gun control...what actual real conservatism is todays GOP/Trump pushing?  Fiscally they are not, trade they are not...and so on.

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1 hour ago, The General said:

Why is this about Trump though I guess is what I’m saying.

If it’s about their ideals and beliefs they don’t have to support Don when he runs counter to them. 

I can name quite a few conservative leaning posters (at least I’m pretty certain they are) that have no issues doing this and can also support ideas that I disagree with but also understand.

I think I reference this Maurile post too often, but I see a lot of parallels when I read stuff on this forum.  He linked a pretty good "essay" that spoke about "sides" basically, described as in group and out group.

Included this content:

I imagine might I feel like some liberal US Muslim leader, when he goes on the O’Reilly Show, and O’Reilly ambushes him and demands to know why he and other American Muslims haven’t condemned beheadings by ISIS more, demands that he criticize them right there on live TV. And you can see the wheels in the Muslim leader’s head turning, thinking something like “Okay, obviously beheadings are terrible and I hate them as much as anyone. But you don’t care even the slightest bit about the victims of beheadings. You’re just looking for a way to score points against me so you can embarass all Muslims. And I would rather personally behead every single person in the world than give a smug bigot like you a single microgram more stupid self-satisfaction than you’ve already got.”

In this forum conservatives are the muslims and liberals are the O'Reilly's.  Me personally, yah I think Trump is a dooshnozzle and I would love to have a reasonable conversation about many topics but with 90% of the posters in this form Full-on O'Reillys...no thanks.  This forum is largely a cesspool of trump rage...many posters will leave the country if he wins again so I guess not surprising.

edited to add:  a lot is not even about conservative vs liberal, just thinking outside the group-thought of the day and you generally are assailed by the 60k posts crew that has time to make 60k posts (sorry i know there are many good 60k posters)

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3 minutes ago, quick-hands said:

Get yourself an alias.   Advocate conservative positions thoughtfully and see what happens.  Try it for a month.  (Aliases are not allowed so don't get one).

Go check the various threads about protesters. The conservative position of "states rights" is being openly assailed by Trump supporters.

Go check the various threads about immigration. Ronald Reagan's positions are scorned.

Go check the various threads about trade. Free traders are mocked by their own.

Go check the various threads about the Constitution and checks-and-balances. Constitutionalism becomes a thing of convenience.

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1 minute ago, fatguyinalittlecoat said:

@Joe Bryant - I would have characterized you as a “conservative” poster back when you started posting here.  I wouldn’t characterize you that way today.  Maybe that’s true of most of the posters you’re thinking about.

I'm interested in where you think he changed.

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11 minutes ago, Sea Duck said:

Go check the various threads about protesters. The conservative position of "states rights" is being openly assailed by Trump supporters.

Go check the various threads about immigration. Ronald Reagan's positions are scorned.

Go check the various threads about trade. Free traders are mocked by their own.

Go check the various threads about the Constitution and checks-and-balances. Constitutionalism becomes a thing of convenience.

Pretty solid points here.

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3 minutes ago, fatguyinalittlecoat said:

@Joe Bryant - I would have characterized you as a “conservative” poster back when you started posting here.  I wouldn’t characterize you that way today.  Maybe that’s true of most of the posters you’re thinking about.

You'd have been wrong back then. 

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Having trouble typing this in a way that will not get me a time out, so hopefully all of these revisions work. The way I see it is that conservatives are not being driven out, they are just split between conservatives who believe in conservative ideas, and conservatives who believe in Trump. The former are not out internet battling because defending Trump is not defending Conservatism, so you have a diminished "active" conservative population, or conservatives who are not seen as conservatives because they are not pro-Trump.

 

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18 minutes ago, kwille said:

Sorry Joe. Just seeing this, Did not mean anything by it, I use that comment about myself all the time. Maybe "lost" would be better. I certainly did not mean any harm and I'm sorry if the comment came across as wrong in any way.

No worries. All good, GB.

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1 minute ago, djmich said:

I'm interested in where you think he changed.

Well, Joe just answered that he doesn't think it's true so maybe just my perception.  Not worth getting into. We do have several posters that have moved left over the years, maybe Joe isn't one of them though. 

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8 hours ago, KarmaPolice said:

I find the 0 votes so far for "very conservative" to be interesting.  

You shouldn't.  This is the crux of the change in perception around this place.  I continue to believe that people haven't changed nearly as much as the definition of the words.

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1 hour ago, The Commish said:

You shouldn't.  This is the crux of the change in perception around this place.  I continue to believe that people haven't changed nearly as much as the definition of the words.

I could have a different definition too I guess.  I voted moderately liberal because I lean more that way but vote both.  

I would think very to both would be 100% on that side, so again I found it odd there is only one vote for very conservative.  

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I vote labels are trash.  What purpose do they serve other than attempt to restrict your views.  When you pick a side you’ve been sucked in by the political-cultural complex.

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3 hours ago, Joe Bryant said:

For lots of reasons. I know a ton of people who voted for Trump as the lesser of two bad choices. And the way that works is they become a "Trump voter" with no nuance given. 

Just for the record I have no problem with someone making one mistake. But when they want to dig in their heels and defend the undefendable thats where I and many others here have a problem.  OK, Clinton was not their thing. But now they are going to double down on this guy? Of course we are going to call them out.

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23 minutes ago, KarmaPolice said:

I could have a different definition too I guess.  I voted moderately liberal because I lean more that way but vote both.  

I would think very to both would be 100% on that side, so again I found it odd there is only one vote for very conservative.  

I think you severely underestimate just how much the definition has changed GB.  I mean, on this site a guy who is not a fan of abortion, wants spending under control and thinks severe immigration reform is in order is labeled "liberal left" by some....think about that.

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3 minutes ago, The Commish said:

I think you severely underestimate just how much the definition has changed GB.  I mean, on this site a guy who is not a fan of abortion, wants spending under control and thinks severe immigration reform is in order is labeled "liberal left" by some....think about that.

Can you expand on that, I feel like there’s a joke in there somewhere...and I’m missing a laugh.

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5 minutes ago, The Commish said:

I think you severely underestimate just how much the definition has changed GB.  I mean, on this site a guy who is not a fan of abortion, wants spending under control and thinks severe immigration reform is in order is labeled "liberal left" by some....think about that.

Yep. The Republicans basically kicked me out.

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I just wish Trump wasn't such a doosh.  I truly enjoyed his trolling of Hillary and the lot, for a bit.  Nothing pleases me more than these career politicians, who will say anything to get elected,  look petrified in front of a mic.....And I like his approach on China for the most part.  He's just too much though, obviously.

I think mr cranks nailed it.....essentially, the whole democratic socialist, green new deal crap is too much for conservatives.......the climate alarmists......it's just not gonna work for me......but I get it, if you truly believe that we are having such an impact on the environment that our species may not survive, what else is there?

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