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How Much Voter Fraud Happened In 2020? (6 Viewers)

How much voter fraud do you think happened in 2020?

  • I voted for Biden and I think Voter Fraud was rampant - enough to impact the outcome.

    Votes: 8 1.7%
  • I voted for Biden and I think Voter Fraud was real - enough to maybe impact the outcome.

    Votes: 4 0.8%
  • I voted for Biden and I think Voter Fraud was minimal - not enough to make a real impact

    Votes: 65 13.7%
  • I voted for Biden and I think Voter Fraud was virtually non existent - no impact at all

    Votes: 269 56.9%
  • I voted for Trump and I think Voter Fraud was rampant - enough to impact the outcome.

    Votes: 26 5.5%
  • I voted for Trump and I think Voter Fraud was real - enough to maybe impact the outcome.

    Votes: 23 4.9%
  • I voted for Trump and I think Voter Fraud was minimal - not enough to make a real impact

    Votes: 14 3.0%
  • I voted for Trump and I think Voter Fraud was virtually non existent - no impact at all

    Votes: 8 1.7%
  • I voted for a 3rd party or didn't vote and I think Voter Fraud was rampant - enough to impact the ou

    Votes: 7 1.5%
  • I voted for a 3rd party or didn't vote and I think Voter Fraud was real - enough to maybe impact the

    Votes: 11 2.3%
  • I voted for a 3rd party or didn't vote and I think Voter Fraud was minimal - not enough to make a re

    Votes: 20 4.2%
  • I voted for a 3rd party or didn't vote and I think Voter Fraud was virtually non existent - no impac

    Votes: 18 3.8%

  • Total voters
    473
Does anyone know anything about Powell prior to this? I'm presuming she has been a somewhat reputable lawyer in the past. I don't fully understand all the errors, but filing a blank document to a court..... I'm starting to believe some of the speculation that she is doing it on purpose. 
She was a mercenary defense lawyer who defended Enron crooks and junk bond traders  (unsuccessfully),  made money off of a book about it, and has been pushing government conspiracy theories for years.   She’s not reputable or particularly good.

 
She was a mercenary defense lawyer who defended Enron crooks and junk bond traders  (unsuccessfully),  made money off of a book about it, and has been pushing government conspiracy theories for years.   She’s not reputable or particularly good.
I didn't realize she was involved with anyone in high yield.  Was it Milken?

 
Trump filed a 3rd lawsuit in Wisconsin today, this one with DJT himself as plaintiff - filed in Federal Court in Milwaukee.  It doesn't seem to say anything new, although I didn't read the entire 70+ pages and over 300 numbered paragraphs in detail.  His lawyers, a small firm in Indianapolis, also filed a motion asking the Court to enter injunctive relief with a hearing in 48 hours.  This is extremely difficult to pull  off - seeking extraordinary relief on an extremely short timeline, based on extensive and convoluted allegations.  There's no indication whether or how the defendants were served with notice of this.  The defendants are a long list of election commissioners, mayors from various cities, the governor and Sec. of State - probably over 20 individual defendants.  This really must put the judge in a difficult position. 

 
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I would like to congratulate Democrats on what appears to be the Perfect Crime. The key to it was packetizing the large theft into smaller events so every identified instance would be "too small to change the outcome" and therefore would be ignored by courts. Bravo.

Yeah, a real thinker, that one. More incidents and more people being involved out of necessity always leads to a clean cover up. 

 
Roger Stone says absolute incontrovertible evidence that North Korean ships snuck ballots into a harbor in Maine. LINK

I’ve been meaning to ask. For all the ballots that were mysteriously snuck in across state lines, doesn’t every county have their own ballot? It’s not like there was a single ballot that someone could use everywhere. 

 
He keeps saying Powel and Lin are "dumb," but I think that misses the point.  If you assume they are trying to win their case as expeditiously and efficiently as possible, as would be a safe assumption in most cases of legal representation, he's correct - they seem very dumb.  But if you understand that they are not employed by the Trump campaign or anyone else looking at the bottom line, and that their work is funded by gullible donors who don't understand the legal process, and that their personal financial interests are best served by burning through the cash they've raised as quickly as possible, it all makes sense.  The risk they face is ending up on the wrong end of a lawsuit like this group.  If you assume their interest is purely driven by personal financial gain, it makes perfect sense that they would file frivolous interlocutory appeals that temporarily stay the underlying case to keep their staff billing round the clock, and try to work this thing as hard as they can in as many different venues as possible for as long as they can.  It is possible all these cases will be moot in a week or two, so they have to get there's while the gettin is good.
The other factor to consider is that having their Complaints and Motions repeatedly dismissed on procedural grounds that would embarrass a 2nd year law student means that they are not having courts determine that their claims are factually nonsense.  Thus, they (and their client) are free to spend the next four years claiming that the Courts were biased parts of the Deep State that refused to address their "legitimate" factual allegations.

 
THIS ARTICLE does a much better job outlining a more legit constitutional argument in PA than Team Trump could ever do. I doubt SCOTUS will act after the fact, but they may force the state to resolve the issue for future elections. 

 
I would like to congratulate Democrats on what appears to be the Perfect Crime. The key to it was packetizing the large theft into smaller events so every identified instance would be "too small to change the outcome" and therefore would be ignored by courts. Bravo.
As Trevor Noah noted several weeks ago, it’s weird the Democrats didn’t upgrade to the Full Blown Election Fraud package. Apparently the Free version with in-app purchases didn’t include the Senate. Genuine lack of foresight on their part.

 
Grifters gonna grift
Seems like the only plausible explanation for continuing the fund drive into month two. There is virtually no limit or regulation governing on how the hundreds of millions raised for the Election Defense PAC is doling our their dollars.

Pretty solid cash cow vehicle, kudos to Team Trump.

 
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Seems like the only plausible explanation for continuing the fund drive into month two. There is virtually no limit or regulation governing on how the hundreds of millions raised for the Election Defense PAC is doling our their dollars.

Pretty solid cash cow vehicle, kudos to Team Trump.
Yup. I mean the way the funds are being allocated are already shady af imo, but legal of course. If a there is strong argument for fraud, one would think there would be some pretty well seasoned and costly lawyers representing plaintiffs in each state. But it doesn’t seem like there are. To me, it’s going through the motions of some semblance of litigation while pocketing the bulk of the cash for other purposes. This is grifting to me. 

 
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As Trevor Noah noted several weeks ago, it’s weird the Democrats didn’t upgrade to the Full Blown Election Fraud package. Apparently the Free version with in-app purchases didn’t include the Senate. Genuine lack of foresight on their part.
The perfect crime....not only did they not go after the Senate...they gave up House seats to really cover their tracks.

 
BREAKING: The Wisconsin Supreme Court has refused to hear President Trump's election lawsuit, likely dooming his effort to subvert Democrat Joe Biden's win in the battleground state.
This is an unabashedly conservative court which has repeatedly denied the Wisconsin governor's efforts to implement reasonable measures to combat COVID-19.  In this case, one of the conservative justices sided with the liberal wing, making it a 4-3 decision to decline to accept the case (https://www.democracydocket.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/45/2020/12/2020AP1971-OA.pdf).

The Trump side can still file its lawsuit in state court, and there are still two lawsuits pending in Federal Court in Wisconsin.  

 
Care to expand upon this?
The GA hearing showed CCTV videos of people still working after they sent home the majority of the workers and poll watchers.  Where it gets interesting is that they pull out a hidden ballot suitcase not stored with the rest of the ballots and those were the only ones scanned with no one around. 

I'm just waiting to hear the reasoning for it.  Wasn't Fulton county the one where the count was stopped due to a water pipe break?

 
The GA hearing showed CCTV videos of people still working after they sent home the majority of the workers and poll watchers.  Where it gets interesting is that they pull out a hidden ballot suitcase not stored with the rest of the ballots and those were the only ones scanned with no one around. 

I'm just waiting to hear the reasoning for it.  Wasn't Fulton county the one where the count was stopped due to a water pipe break?
When do you finally give up on this?  It's been weeks.  If there was anything egregious, it would have come out by now.  Every meaningful attempt to identify voter fraud has been debunked and tossed out and yet you're still looking for some sliver of something. 

It.  Does.  Not.  Exist.

 
When do you finally give up on this?  It's been weeks.  If there was anything egregious, it would have come out by now.  Every meaningful attempt to identify voter fraud has been debunked and tossed out and yet you're still looking for some sliver of something. 

It.  Does.  Not.  Exist.
deflection isn't an answer to an honest question. 

 
Watching what you call Fake News. OAN who is actually covering real issues not COVID fear porn.
This bs comment not withstanding (Covid not a real issue while Trump fake fraud porn is), this gentleman has been breaking down fraud claims excellently since they’ve emerged. I’m mainly posting for non TrueBelievers as this silliness is beyond parody now. Here’s his thread on it:

https://twitter.com/ike_saul/status/1334591108001787912?s=21

Key point....yet.... again:

”Georgia just ***hand recounted*** 5 million votes. Audited. Canvassed. In a state with elections that are controlled by Republicans who very much did not wanna lose. You're telling me they didn't catch tens of thousands of fraudulent votes that were processed on camera? What?”

 
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This bs comment not withstanding (Covid not a real issue while Trump fake fraud porn is), this gentleman has been breaking down fraud claims excellently since they’ve emerged. I’m mainly posting for non TrueBelievers as this silliness is beyond parody now. Here’s his thread on it:

https://twitter.com/ike_saul/status/1334591108001787912?s=21

Key point....yet.... again:

”Georgia just ***hand recounted*** 5 million votes. Audited. Canvassed. In a state with elections that are controlled by Republicans who very much did not wanna lose. You're telling me they didn't catch tens of thousands of fraudulent votes that were processed on camera? What?”
So another deflection. Got it.  Thanks. 

I do apologize for the COVID comment.  That was out of line.  I'm just forced to watch CNN all day lately and it's all they talk about. 

 
So another deflection. Got it.  Thanks. 

I do apologize for the COVID comment.  That was out of line.  I'm just forced to watch CNN all day lately and it's all they talk about. 
Huh, What deflection? I answered your concern with a thread of a journalist looking into this exact video....who has been looking into every one of these claims. I answered and helped explain your very query. 

 
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Just to play devil's advocate, why should we believe those videos show what OAN claims they show?  If I can show you that this particular claim is garbage, will you finally admit that OAN and the rest of these clowns are just spewing trash?
The CCTV from all state arena? That's all they claimed it was.

 
Huh, What deflection? I answered your concern with a thread of a journalist looking into this exact video....who has been looking into every one of these claims. I answered and helped explain your very query. 
I cant access twitter at work. I'll check it out.

 
The CCTV from all state arena? That's all they claimed it was.
I thought they (or you?) are claiming they show something nefarious.  If the only claim is that this is a video feed that happened, then I'm unclear why it needs to be investigated.
Something about a hidden suitcase full of ballots.

Reminds me of the alleged suitcase full of ballots in Michigan....which turned out to be a photographer's camera case. :rolleyes:

https://www.metrotimes.com/news-hits/archives/2020/11/05/viral-video-alleging-a-ballot-box-had-entered-detroits-tcf-center-after-deadline-was-actually-camera-equipment

 
I cant access twitter at work. I'll check it out.
I can quote the thread here, for folks who can't get on twitter.  Thought it was a reasonable breakdown:

1/ I've seen this video, and I have some thoughts. First -- I want to make it clear that the presumptions/narration here is doing far more work than the "evidence" of the actual footage. Just pause and think about it...

2/ Ballots being a suitcase or under a table don’t make them shady. Look at the room. It's chock full of votes. There were 5 million votes in Georgia. Were these ballots being rescanned? Cured? Were they even absentee ballots? Were they even ballots at all? You can't even tell.

3/ None of this is clear from a brief one minute clip. But even if you take the narrator at their word (which is given Trump lawyers & OAN a lot of credit, based on their history so far) there's still nothing here that's clearly nefarious...

4/ These could be absentee ballots, mail-in votes, military ballots, votes from overseas. Just because it's Atlanta doesn't mean all these votes were for Biden (duh). Also: they're on camera!!! Again -- another instance where we are WATCHING THE VOTE COUNT. This is the big crime?

5/ But sure - let's assume all those bags are full of Biden votes. Let's assume federal crimes being committed by election officials in a room with 4 different camera angles. Let's assume the big Democratic plot was hiding presumably fraudulent ballots under a table for a day...

6/ Georgia just ***hand recounted*** 5 million votes. Audited. Canvassed. In a state with elections that are controlled by Republicans who very much did not wanna lose. You're telling me they didn't catch tens of thousands of fraudulent votes that were processed on camera? What?

7/ Also, the narration doesn't match what I'm seeing. This person claims there are no observes -- but this room certainly looks like it's full of election officials and potential observers. GA SoS office has also pointed this out:

stephen fowler covers Georgia's election!

@stphnfwlr

See that guy in the blue jacket in some of the camera screens in this video? Thats an official monitor from the secretary of state's office who was there watching the vote counting - like the SOS+Fulton said. While some partisan monitors left, it wasn't unsupervised. #gapol
END/ Anyway, like most other claims I covered in the mega thread, this one looks to just be taking normal election stuff and making it seem really nefarious, all while asking us to totally suspend any skepticism of assumptions being made. It's pretty stupid, and not evidence.

 
The CCTV from all state arena? That's all they claimed it was.
from the Twitterverse:

See that guy in the blue jacket in some of the camera screens in this video? Thats an official monitor from the secretary of state's office who was there watching the vote counting - like the SOS+Fulton said. 

While some partisan monitors left, it wasn't unsupervised. #gapol

 
Now just to add “balance”

The recount in GA and the three WI counties and anywhere else it has occurred is auditing the count of ballots on hand. However, if those ballots were fraudulent to begin with, it’s meaningless. Must get to the bottom of the fraud!

I’m not migrating to Team Trump, just offering the explain why this is endless game of wack-a-mole has some basis in logic. None of these shotgun blasts of non-linear logic is gaining any traction, mainly because they’re not offering evidence. Lots of questions, no answers is why they’re 1-41 in the courts. It simply doesn’t follow basic evidentiary rules because they jump from speculative observation to conclusion without any supportive documentation.

 
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THIS ARTICLE does a much better job outlining a more legit constitutional argument in PA than Team Trump could ever do. I doubt SCOTUS will act after the fact, but they may force the state to resolve the issue for future elections. 
I don't find the article persuasive. It's essentially an argument that the Pennsylvania Supreme Court made an incorrect judgment call on the doctrine of laches based on prior Pennsylvania case law, and thus incorrectly interpreted the Pennsylvania state constitution.

You know who isn't bound by prior Pennsylvania case law? The Pennsylvania Supreme Court.

You know who's barred from second-guessing the Pennsylvania Supreme Court about how to interpret the Pennsylvania constitution? The U.S. Supreme Court.

The article deals with that a bit at the end, but not in a persuasive way, IMO.

 
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Now just to add “balance”

The recount in GA and the three WI counties and anywhere else it has occurred is auditing the count of ballots on hand. However, if those ballots were fraudulent to begin with, it’s meaningless. Must get to the bottom of the fraud!

I’m not migrating to Team Trump, just offering the explain why this is endless game of wack-a-mole has some basis in logic. None of these shotgun blasts of non-linear logic is gaining any traction, mainly because they’re not offering evidence. Lots of questions, no answers is why they’re 1-41 in the courts. It simply doesn’t follow basic evidentiary rules because they jump from speculative observation to conclusion without any supportive documentation.
The logic is based on disproving a non-disprovable claim, which makes the logic.....illogical.

 

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