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Bad calls by the REAL Refs today? (1 Viewer)
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ImTheScientist
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Was thinking of making this thread yesterday.Hey OP, maybe you should video tape yourself at work and then we all can watch it and tell you where you screwed up? It sounds more interesting to me.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
B-Deep
Footballguy
yes the same scrutiny
lets see how many times they miswalk off yardage
lets see how many games turn into a cheap shot buffet at the end
lets look at them with the SAME scrutiny, which does NOT mean looking simply for a missed call or two, but rather how they handle the job and keep control of a game
lets
lets see how many times they miswalk off yardage
lets see how many games turn into a cheap shot buffet at the end
lets look at them with the SAME scrutiny, which does NOT mean looking simply for a missed call or two, but rather how they handle the job and keep control of a game
lets
Mr. Soup Nazi
Footballguy
Believe it or not, they always are. It isn't like EVERY single play isn't seen by millions of people with DVRs and slow motion instant replays. If they screw up anything major, we've always heard about it. Maybe not as many people chiming in or not for as long, but we've still heard about it.With the real refs, we know there aren't any better options...they truly are the best of the best. But with the replacements, a lot of the issue was that there WERE better options out there. LOTS of better options actually, and the NFL was just toying with it.
Pots
Footballguy
Pay me what the Refs get paid, and I'll say gladly
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
Fair is fair. It should be interesting putting the regulars under the microscope. I'll be shocked if it's even close to what we've seen so far this year.
Pipes
Footballguy
Yeah the whole bashing of the replacement refs just isn't about missed or made calls it's about them not having control of the game. It's not just the calls but awarding extra timeouts, allowing extra challenges,etc...
sho nuff
Footballguy
Big thing will be the speed of the games and control they have over things.
Games were taking too longs.
Bad calls...sure, the real guys made them too...but did not seem to be as much going on.
Wondering how long they take to adjust...and players take to adjust to how the games will again be called.
Games were taking too longs.
Bad calls...sure, the real guys made them too...but did not seem to be as much going on.
Wondering how long they take to adjust...and players take to adjust to how the games will again be called.
LargeMouthBass
Footballguy
These refs will be bad too but will at least have the control of the game. Let's face it, the replacement refs were overwhelmed.
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Insoxicated
Exactly... look at the Pats Ravens game.... 8 of the first 12 plays resulted in near-brawls and the replacement refs did NOTHING. Hell edelman took shots to the jaw while trying to get off the line... facemask pulling...etc.... no flags. Players didn't respect the replacement refs and the replacement refs gave them no reason to....
B-Deep
Footballguy
pay the refs what the players get paid and they'll be happy tooPay me what the Refs get paid, and I'll say gladly
B-Deep
Footballguy
ravens eagles was a messskins rams was a messi saw people take swings and nothing was called
Reepicheep
Footballguy
I expect a few people in the pool to be falling over themselves to point out every time the refs so much as stutter tonight. 
Pots
Footballguy
Not saying that they should, but was it any different with the Replacement refs?I expect a few people in the pool to be falling over themselves to point out every time the refs so much as stutter tonight.
QuizGuy66
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fatness
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fatness
Footballguy
I watched both those games and they were horrible. Each one was like 2 teams met out in some random field with no one else around, and decided to settle all things themselves. Part game, part brawl.
on Pots btw 
Reepicheep
Footballguy
If your team brought in Arena League players and said "Don't worry, it will be fine.", you would naturally be more critical of poor performance. I think a higher level of scrutiny was justified from the start. In my opinion it was the rules bungling and control issues that led to an even further heightened level of scrutiny on the penalties and judgement calls. There will probably be an iffy roughing the QB or PI call (or no-call) tonight (like pretty much every game), but I'll be shocked if tonight we see any rules, administrative, or control problems on par with what we've seen the first three weeks. If the refs do really bungle something, they will of course deserve criticisim.Not saying that they should, but was it any different with the Replacement refs?I expect a few people in the pool to be falling over themselves to point out every time the refs so much as stutter tonight.
Pots
Footballguy
That's what this thread is for.
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sporthenry
Footballguy
Nobody is infallible. They missed calls all the time. It is just they have the best training in the world to do their job so if they screw up I can live with it. My metaphor would be if you had a local police officer working for the FBI and a terrorist attack occurs. Sure terrorist attacks occur under the FBI but I would feel a lot better knowing the best people are out there doing their jobs as opposed to a guy 5 promotions away from the actual job.
As far as the real refs, as people have previously stated, the games should be much smoother and you will not see the fracases that ensued. Heck, I think we'll see an ejection this week if things escalate.
Secondly, I think you'll see the WRs and QBs come back that we are used to seeing so perhaps buy Stafford and the like. CBs were getting away with a lot and even if they were flagged, it still didn't put yards up. With the real refs, you'll see a more closely called games so CBs will stop trying to get away with as much. It won't help teams like GB that much as teams are just going to play cover 2 against them. I'm also interested to see if the NFC West which has been considered a great defensive division will continue to be that way. Haven't seen down field that much but Seattle and Arizona were getting a ton of coverage sacks, so we'll see if those continue.
As far as the real refs, as people have previously stated, the games should be much smoother and you will not see the fracases that ensued. Heck, I think we'll see an ejection this week if things escalate.
Secondly, I think you'll see the WRs and QBs come back that we are used to seeing so perhaps buy Stafford and the like. CBs were getting away with a lot and even if they were flagged, it still didn't put yards up. With the real refs, you'll see a more closely called games so CBs will stop trying to get away with as much. It won't help teams like GB that much as teams are just going to play cover 2 against them. I'm also interested to see if the NFC West which has been considered a great defensive division will continue to be that way. Haven't seen down field that much but Seattle and Arizona were getting a ton of coverage sacks, so we'll see if those continue.
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DoubleG
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No they shouldn't. What I mean by that is simply that the thought process isn't the same. I've stated this numerous times now - the main thing that seperates the "real" from the "replacement" refs is NOT the bad calls. It's the assumption of validity of outcome. If, for arguments sake, "real" refs would have been officiating the GB/Seattle game and made the exact same call (and keep in mind the replay official wasn't a replacement - so that part would have stayed the same regardless), there would not have been the same degree of outcry. Why? Simple - integrity of the officials and their abilities is presumed. Validity of outcome is assumed.
The fact that is thread titled "NFL supports decision to not overturn Seahawks' TD" is the perfect example of what I am trying to point out. That is to say, that if regular refs had made the same call, there would be no discussion about whether or not it should "stand" - of course it would. We all accept that the "real" refs word is final - albiet occasionally flawed. That simply wasn't the case with the replacements. The fact that some were holding out hope that the league would somehow swoop in and revers the ruling is proof that the replacement refs were not viewed as being the "final authority" whereas real refs are.
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
NEW RECORD!
It's been almost 1 quarter of one game without a bad call!
It's been almost 1 quarter of one game without a bad call!
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BassNBrew
Footballguy
Well since they haven't been throwing the flags on the pass interence infractions I guess that's technically correct.
wiscstlatlmia
Footballguy
What a smooth game...
MaxThreshold
Footballguy
Any touchdowns awarded to receivers who never caught the ball?
KingPrawn
Footballguy
fixed
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fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Seriously, what a difference
bagger
Footballguy
i am hoping for a call to blow the win for one of the teams at the end of the game just for the irony.
Awesome actor too.
biju
Footballguy
Yeah, I loved him in Precious.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
He doesn't have dreads so I knock him down a notch.
Why would they point out any mistakes? These are the best in the biz!
sho nuff
Footballguy
BassNBrew
Footballguy
3 hour and 15 minute game. Last penalty should have been a non-call but the ref got sucker in. Oher's "holding" penalty was pretty lame although it made up for others that were missed. Several missed PI calls. Not sure what the Browns' unsportsmanlike penalty was about.
At least the real sucky refs looked good stinking it up. They definately bring professionalism to sucking.
At least the real sucky refs looked good stinking it up. They definately bring professionalism to sucking.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
6min longer than the average replacement ref game. Will the media give them shi!t?
DesmondBishop
Footballguy
Oh no you didn't!
BassNBrew
Footballguy
The best was the review of the Cribb's fumble. After waiting for him to leave the field and a tv timeout they decide to review the play. Not really sure why it was reviewable as that wasn't explained. Per the rule mentioned on TV that shouldn't have been a turnover even though it looked like a fumble.
DesmondBishop
Footballguy
It definitely was a fumble and every turnover is reviewed automatically by the booth. Just because he got the crap and the ball knocked out of him, that didn't change the fact that it was clearly a fumble and was clearly recovered by the Ravens.Do you say this because his helmet came off?
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BassNBrew
Footballguy
Yeah...per Mayock. Of course he screws up more than the fake and real refs combined. Supposedly the helmet coming off ends the play. Who knows what the definition of "off" is. Antoher stupid NFL rule.
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