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Denver seems to be going to the Rams route of "draft picks? We don't need mo stinkin draft picks" which may payoff short term but those 1st round picks are foundational. How many teams (besides the Rams) make big trades with their 1st rounders gone and win?Chaka said:
I mean... you don't let a player like Metcalf go but you let a player like Wilson go? If they are willing to trade Wilson they got to be willing to trade Metcalf. Do I want to give up what it will take to get him? Likely not but I don't see the "you don't trade a guy like that" argument making sense in light of Wilson being tradedLawFitz said:
Meh...Bruno2 said:
I was trying to soften the blow... Seriously though, while Denver has the skill players and a very good D, they are in transition (like the Raiders), new HC, OC and DC, they have work to do before they jump the Raiders and Chargers in the division. Geez, unless you're a Jet, Jag or Texan, the whole AFC is tough.
The critical factor is cost. I am very comfortable saying you don't trade one of the top WRs in the game when they are on their rookie contract. I will happily concede the caveat "Unless someone stupidly overpays" I hope the Raiders don't offer that price. But this is nowhere near the same as Wilson.
I think a lot of teams are going to start trying to follow the Rams model. I was pretty confident Tennessee was going to make a play for Rodgers because their window is right now. I almost wish they had because with Rodgers and Wilson out of the picture I think Carr is now the most attractive QB trade target for teams trying to make a run.
To paraphrase an old poker saying: When you sit down at the table and don't see which team is the easy win...it's you.
The Broncos transition just got a whole lot easier.
I can see it, not thrilling because of age but he's a good short term piece.
Good point about Diggs but I honestly doubt you could get more than an early 6th for Edwards. I guess a mid-late 5th maybe/possibly.
I meant to reply at the time so this looks more like hindsight that it truly is, but if SEA moves on from Wilson I could definitely see this. He's in the last year of a cost-controlled contract and then he's gonna get PAID. If they can get a cheap rookie for 5 years that might be more interesting than one year of a re-start (minimum) where wins don't mean as much.
he's cheap. they'll keep him.
chaka nailed it.
People like the Chefs, Herbert and now with Wilson in Donkeyland- them more. Which is understandable after so many years of failed seasons. I think that if you look at last year, other than not competing against the Chefs in those games, there is no reason to look at what the Raiders did and think that they will not be competitive (with my one caveat which will stand until at least the season starts that McDaniels doesn't blow things up but so far so good in terms of it looking like Denver was a maturity issue and not a character issue).Ministry of Pain said:
There was no doubt in my mind that they would be keeping Drake. Think about the NE offense over the years. There were two constants. 1) Brady 2) RBBC. In fantasy football, I always avoided NE RB's because it was always clear that they would use the RB's they had by gameplan. Jacobs and Drake have different skillsets. I don't think it will be as lopsided in terms of Jacobs getting almost all snaps one game and then Drake getting almost all the next as you would often see in NE as I don't think NE had as good of a RB as Jacobs but I do think that Drake will be used as a piece in the offense and some games will see more time than others. He is a weapon and will be used. Plus, the amount of dead money vs savings was silly to cut him.
According to Spotrac the Raiders have the 7th most cap space available with $36 million. I think that includes the $14 mil saved from Drake & Kolton.
Derek Carr has the respect of people in the NFL (GMs & coaches) and those who have played football and understand the game. That's why, every offseason we hear about teams' interest in acquiring him. Hes a very good QB, that with a good Oline can make all throws. It's the media and 50% of the fanbase, who don't understand that football is still a team game that think Carr is inadequate. (See Mahomes running for his life in the SB vs the Bucs, every QB needs a solid Oline)Ministry of Pain said:
The AFC West just went from tough to brutal with Wilson arriving to a fairly stacked Denver team (top 7 yardage & top 3 scoring defense along with a three deep WR corps and what looks to be one of the best young RBs in the game).Ministry of Pain said:
It will be tough to go 3-3 in division. That means they will need to go 7-4 out of division, just to equal last year. Which includes the nfc west, patriots and coltsMinistry of Pain said:
KC dealt late firsts for Frank Clark and Orlando Brown....you could argue Clark was pretty impactful in the SB win year....brown should be money moving forward...I think it makes some sense for teams at the end of the first round to deal those picks for known commodities....
All of the sudden RT just became a huge priority. Wonder how McDaniels feels about moving Leatherwood back now?
I don't know that he committed to moving him back, but he can't be the solution at RT going into the season.
Elway is now completely out of the picture....his contract ran out and now he is considered an "outside consultant".....he is however working on trying to be part of a group that wants to purchase the Broncos....DA RAIDERS said:
I was super excited about Littleton and just was a failure compared to contract. I thought he would have played significantly better under Bradleg but there seemed to be only a marginal improvement. His contract and the savings meant I was 99% sure he was gone.
I am surprised by this. I thought his blocking and catch ability would be a great fit for McDaniels.
Catch ability? He has 28 catches on 35 targets over three seasons.
They're reportedly giving up a 2nd and a 6th to get him.
I don't recall him dropping a ball (I am sure he did but none come to mind) and I do recall him making some good plays. He was never option 1 on a pass play... or option 2... or option 3 but he could catch. I will take his 8.5 yard average from a FB who can block any day. Was he prolific like Tom Rathman or Marcel Reece? No. But that seemed to be by use and not ability to me (as you point out, the targets).
Supposedly need to restructure the contract before complete.
I just worry about Mack in Tecmo "Excellent" condition twice a year against, guess who?
