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The fun thing is that when you look at the top say 10 each year you'll see 18-man roosters because they are such a huge portion of the overall entrants.

-QG
 
That trio of $3 WRs, M. Wilson, T. Dell and Nacua really lighting up the scoreboard. Keep it up guys!
Large rosters destroying the small roosters. These $3 guys are making Chase look like a practice squad palyer.
Could be wrong but this usually evens out as the season progresses. But at the same time I don’t remember the last time so many $3 and $4 players have done so well.


As long as I've tracked survival statistics, larger roster teams have always had higher survival rates overall, than smaller roster teams.
Below are some statistics to support this...

In 2022, (full season) .... 18 player rosters had the lowest survival rate at 1.19%, while 28 player rosters had the highest survival rate at 4.07%.
ALL rosters with 23 or more players had higher survival rates that ALL teams with 18 - 22 players.

I do not have statistics for 2021

In 2020, (weeks 1-9) .... 18 player rosters had the lowerst survival rate at 4.34% , while 27 player rosters had the highest survival rate throuhg week 9, at 14.29%.
ALL rosters with 24 or more players had higher survival rates than ALL teams with 18 - 23 players. (I was eliminated in week 5 and only recored stats through week 9)

In 2019, (full season).... 18 player rosters had the lowest survival rate at 1.20%, while 28 player rosters had the highest survival rate at 3.18%
All rosters with 24 or more players had higher survival rates than ALL teams with 18 - 23 players.

In 2018, (weeks 1-12).... 18 player rosters had the lowest survival rate at 6.60%, while 28 player rosters had the highest survival rate at 6.60%.
ALL rosters with 23 or more players had higher survival rates than ALL teams with 18-22 players. (I was eliminated in week 9 and only tracked stats through week 12)

So far this season (through 3 weeks), the lowest survival rate is with 18 player teams at 69.45%, and the highest is with 29 player teams at 89.55%,
So far this season, all teams with 25 or more players have higher survival rates than all teams with between 18 and 24 players.

It's anybody's guess how this year ends up, but I think we can all see a pretty solid pattern favoring larger roster teams for the last 5 years or so.
I have survival rate data for 2017, 2018, 2020, 2021*, and 2022 in this spreadsheet. Larger rosters always made it to the finals more often than smaller rosters, with the lowest survival rate usually for 18-19 player rosters and the highest survival rate usually for 27-28 player rosters.

Can you share the 2019 data so that I can add them to the spreadsheet? I want the total number of rosters of each size, and the number of rosters in the finals of each size.

* the 2021 numbers are probably not exactly right, and are based on a post in the 2021 contest thread.
 
From NBC News....
No ACL injury for Kenny PIckett
Steelers quarterback Kenny Pickett was knocked out of Sunday’s game with a knee injury and head coach Mike Tomlin said at his press conference that Pickett would need further evaluation before the team had a firm update on his condition.

Mike Florio of PFT reported on Sunday night that the Steelers were hopeful that Pickett suffered an MCL sprain and Mike Garafolo of NFL Media reports on Monday morning that initial testing on Pickett’s knee showed no injury to his ACL.

Pickett is still expected to miss time as a result of the injury, but an MCL sprain would likely mean they’re looking at a matter of weeks rather than a season-ending injury. The Steelers face the Ravens in Week Five and they have a bye in Week Six.

Mitch Trubisky replaced Pickett in Sunday’s loss to the Texans and would be the starter for however long Pickett is out of action.
Good news. Need him back week 10.
 
This Monday Night slopfest isn't going to move the cutline much at all unless things change in the second half.
 
So far, Waller and Walker have 1.9 total points. Not looking good sitting 1.3 under the cut line and need about 10 points each. The RB utilization by Seattle in the first half is mind-boggling. Waller seems to be more of a decoy than a pass-catcher.
 
So far, Waller and Walker have 1.9 total points. Not looking good sitting 1.3 under the cut line and need about 10 points each. The RB utilization by Seattle in the first half is mind-boggling. Waller seems to be more of a decoy than a pass-catcher.

Walker up to 7.9 so don't give up hope just yet
-QG
 
K
So far, Waller and Walker have 1.9 total points. Not looking good sitting 1.3 under the cut line and need about 10 points each. The RB utilization by Seattle in the first half is mind-boggling. Waller seems to be more of a decoy than a pass-catcher.

Walker up to 7.9 so don't give up hope just yet
-QG
Enough to get me over the current cut line. Not panicking yet, but it's not trending the right way.
 
Current cut line guess is +3.5. Stats are just not good in this game. Lockett, Metcalf, Walker, Geno and Daniel are the movers so far, but only Metcalf has cleared 12 pts in the game.

Edit - Seahawks Defense has 15.

I'd bump it to 5 now.
 
At this point, I would just as soon see this game end. I have Waller, Lockett, and Campbell, but am probably only 5 over the cut.
 
Only +7.9 and looks like they pulled Walker. If my cut line move guess of 5 holds, I'll be over it by 1.75. Anything under 6.7 is fine.
 
That trio of $3 WRs, M. Wilson, T. Dell and Nacua really lighting up the scoreboard. Keep it up guys!
Large rosters destroying the small roosters. These $3 guys are making Chase look like a practice squad palyer.
Could be wrong but this usually evens out as the season progresses. But at the same time I don’t remember the last time so many $3 and $4 players have done so well.


As long as I've tracked survival statistics, larger roster teams have always had higher survival rates overall, than smaller roster teams.
Below are some statistics to support this...

In 2022, (full season) .... 18 player rosters had the lowest survival rate at 1.19%, while 28 player rosters had the highest survival rate at 4.07%.
ALL rosters with 23 or more players had higher survival rates that ALL teams with 18 - 22 players.

I do not have statistics for 2021

In 2020, (weeks 1-9) .... 18 player rosters had the lowerst survival rate at 4.34% , while 27 player rosters had the highest survival rate throuhg week 9, at 14.29%.
ALL rosters with 24 or more players had higher survival rates than ALL teams with 18 - 23 players. (I was eliminated in week 5 and only recored stats through week 9)

In 2019, (weeks 1-8).... 18 player rosters had the lowest survival rate through 8 weeks at 17.35%, while 28 player rosters had the higherst survival rate at 41.59%
All but 1 roster size with 23 players or more had better surival rates than teams with 22 or fewer players.

In 2018, (weeks 1-12).... 18 player rosters had the lowest survival rate at 6.60%, while 28 player rosters had the highest survival rate at 6.60%.
ALL rosters with 23 or more players had higher survival rates than ALL teams with 18-22 players. (I was eliminated in week 9 and only tracked stats through week 12)

In 2016, (full season).... 18 player rosters had the lowest survival rate at 1.20%, while 28 player rosters had the highest survival rate at 3.18%
All rosters with 24 or more players had higher survival rates than ALL teams with 18 - 23 players.
So far this season (through 3 weeks), the lowest survival rate is with 18 player teams at 69.45%, and the highest is with 29 player teams at 89.55%,
So far this season, all teams with 25 or more players have higher survival rates than all teams with between 18 and 24 players.

It's anybody's guess how this year ends up, but I think we can all see a pretty solid pattern favoring larger roster teams for the last 5 years or so.

Would love to see the results by roster size for those who made it to the final 250 each year… the larger rosters have better odds of making the finals, but do they continue to outperform once they get there?
 
That trio of $3 WRs, M. Wilson, T. Dell and Nacua really lighting up the scoreboard. Keep it up guys!
Large rosters destroying the small roosters. These $3 guys are making Chase look like a practice squad palyer.
Could be wrong but this usually evens out as the season progresses. But at the same time I don’t remember the last time so many $3 and $4 players have done so well.


As long as I've tracked survival statistics, larger roster teams have always had higher survival rates overall, than smaller roster teams.
Below are some statistics to support this...

In 2022, (full season) .... 18 player rosters had the lowest survival rate at 1.19%, while 28 player rosters had the highest survival rate at 4.07%.
ALL rosters with 23 or more players had higher survival rates that ALL teams with 18 - 22 players.

I do not have statistics for 2021

In 2020, (weeks 1-9) .... 18 player rosters had the lowerst survival rate at 4.34% , while 27 player rosters had the highest survival rate throuhg week 9, at 14.29%.
ALL rosters with 24 or more players had higher survival rates than ALL teams with 18 - 23 players. (I was eliminated in week 5 and only recored stats through week 9)

In 2019, (weeks 1-8).... 18 player rosters had the lowest survival rate through 8 weeks at 17.35%, while 28 player rosters had the higherst survival rate at 41.59%
All but 1 roster size with 23 players or more had better surival rates than teams with 22 or fewer players.

In 2018, (weeks 1-12).... 18 player rosters had the lowest survival rate at 6.60%, while 28 player rosters had the highest survival rate at 6.60%.
ALL rosters with 23 or more players had higher survival rates than ALL teams with 18-22 players. (I was eliminated in week 9 and only tracked stats through week 12)

In 2016, (full season).... 18 player rosters had the lowest survival rate at 1.20%, while 28 player rosters had the highest survival rate at 3.18%
All rosters with 24 or more players had higher survival rates than ALL teams with 18 - 23 players.
So far this season (through 3 weeks), the lowest survival rate is with 18 player teams at 69.45%, and the highest is with 29 player teams at 89.55%,
So far this season, all teams with 25 or more players have higher survival rates than all teams with between 18 and 24 players.

It's anybody's guess how this year ends up, but I think we can all see a pretty solid pattern favoring larger roster teams for the last 5 years or so.

Would love to see the results by roster size for those who made it to the final 250 each year… the larger rosters have better odds of making the finals, but do they continue to outperform once they get there?
No. Large rosters roll in the regular season due to injuries and bye weeks. By the time we are in the finals the byes are over and the 18 player Chubb teams have been eliminated. The remaining 18 player teams are pretty healthy.
 
Awards and notable teams of the week. (I know scores may update later this week, but I doubt much changes here).

Strongest Living Team: Last week, there were 48 teams averaging at least 200 points. After week 4, we’re down to 21, all of them still alive (one is a staff team, so it’s really 20). The strongest team by a fairly healthy margin is Lenny D (#101120), averaging over 216 points per week. Only one other team is over 210, and only just: Entry #107993 is averaging 210.05 points per week.

Strongest Dead Team: Entry #104023 has the 126th highest average overall (not counting staff teams), but alas, they fell a bit short this week at 123.55 and were eliminated.

Keep Your Day Job Award: Entry #104339 is still the worst “serious” team in the contest, averaging 89.8 points per week, but the competition is getting tighter. Wrecking Crew (#105142) is “gaining” on them, bringing their average down to 90.95 after week 4. Those are the only two teams below 100 who look like they were actually trying.

Safest Team: The safest team is also the strongest team. Lenny D (#101120), the 2nd-safest team last week, has never cleared the cutline by less than 74 points. Last week’s leader, busterboys (#100086), is still doing just fine, but only cleared the cutline by 46.35 points this week.

Just Skating By Award: Big change here this week. Last week, the leader in this category had never cleared the cutline by as many as 3 points. This week, there is no longer any living team in single digits. MVP1961 (Entry #106425), is still alive but cleared the cutline by only 10.3 points in their best week. There are three other teams below 11 in this category.

Steady Eddie Award: 12oclock Shadow (#109381) is still our leader in this category, but they’re not quite as incredible as they have been. They followed up weeks of 160.25, 160.05, and 160.25 points with a 159.15 in week 4, which raised their standard deviation to 0.525. No other team is under 1.0.

Crazy Eddie Award: This is really weird this year. Usually, the teams with the highest standard deviations are all dead and you have to go pretty far down the list to find a living one. This year, though, 2 of the top 5 teams in SD are alive. Our old friend GUNMAN1217 (Entry #103909) was our strongest team last week, but this week barely cleared the cutline, sneaking through by less than 1.5 points. That low score combined with last weeks’ 279.7, drive him to the 2nd spot in this category. In 4th is Entry #106126, with scores ranging from 136 to 263.

Icarus Award: Entry #102082 was soaring in the stratosphere, with the 7th-highest average in the contest, but it all came crashing down in week 4 with a 123.55 score and a visit from the Turk. Their fall was not so much a crashing to Earth as into a watery grave populated by underachieving Dolphins: Tua, Tyreek and Mostert weren’t carrying them and the other guys didn’t step up.

Would Coulda Shoulda Award: Poor Lorne (Entry #108170) has the 91st-highest average in the contest over the last 3 weeks, averaging over 200 points in that period. Sadly, week 1 was a different story, when they barely reached half that, eliminated with a 102.3. Lorne coulda been a contender, instead of a bum, which is (unfortunately) what he is.
 
Notable Teams:

QBs:
The last 9-QB team, Entry #100640, made it through this week and is still with us.

RBs: We finally lost a 10-RB team: nwaTimberWolf (Entry #106165) fell this week. All eleven other 10-RB teams are still alive.

WRs: The 17-WR team, Entry #103897, with 17 WRs on the roster, made it through another week. So did all but one of the six 14- and 13-WR teams

TEs: Two of the four 7-TE teams are still alive: one was eliminated this week.

PKs: Same as last week: Entry #104058 is the last of the four 9-kicker teams standing. But we lost two of the four 8-kicker teams this week.

DEFs: Entry #100051 is the only 9-defense team, and is still alive.
 
And now the players:

Eliminated Players: No new zombie players added this week. Tristan Vizcaino is still the only one with no living owners. Kyle Trask and Carson Wentz are each down to one.

The Biggest Mistake: The overall team survival rate sits at 58.4%. Jerry Jeudy is the player with the worst survival rate among guys on more than 100 teams, at 31.4%. Joe Burrow, with more than 500 owners, is at 41.7%. If you want to look further, Justin Tucker has over 1000 owners, only 47.2% of whom are still alive.

The Survivor: Nobody is over 90% survival rate anymore. If you wanted to stick around this far, turns out the Rams were your team: Kyren Williams and Puka Nacua have the best survival rates in the contest, at 87.1% and 86.4% respectively. Christian McCaffrey is the only other guy over 85%, and in fact is the only other one over 80%.

The Bargain: Pick a Ram: Williams cost you $4 and Nacua cost you $3. Can’t do better than that.

The Parasite: There are 10 players who have yet to score a single point, and yet their teams have a better survival rate than the overall. Will Levis leads the way with an amazing survival rate of 70.8%, the only one over 70%.
 
Scoring Results and Averages through 4 Weeks
(I added roster size the chart)


TeamSizeWeek 1Week 2Week 3Week 4TotalAverage
1​
rzrback7726191.10186.95207.30193.05778.40194.60
2​
ZWK26165.25182.25191.50216.30755.30188.83
3​
The Stray Doug19186.90153.25178.25210.55728.95182.24
4​
cStruck21152.40189.25177.95206.85726.45181.61
5​
BrncosFan0728126.15207.24207.85169.70710.94177.74
6​
PIK9521170.90197.70168.40173.20710.20177.55
7​
Sooted7230179.80180.75128.60209.60698.75174.69
8​
Twin Turbo23186.85174.85155.90180.80698.40174.60
9​
QuizGuy6625140.50168.10192.35194.55695.50173.88
10​
Deamon21132.80191.60190.85176.25691.50172.88
11​
Puppies24154.90169.55192.30155.05671.80167.95
12​
Dacomish24122.65163.55198.00178.20662.40165.60
13​
Army Eye22143.60164.85185.35167.80661.60165.40
14​
Scottybo20125.90182.45216.75133.85658.95164.74
15​
Senior VDB Student22140.75193.05181.25141.10656.15164.04
16​
Angry Beavers22171.25176.05132.65171.40651.35162.84
17​
Bill Dauterive25183.05171.85141.70153.90650.50162.63
18​
jdoggydogg21171.10160.85147.25169.95649.15162.29
19​
Mister CIA Fan20141.70157.45149.70194.50643.35160.84
20​
Woolac30173.40157.05165.20142.95638.60159.65
21​
Stubby22148.20160.25155.85161.15625.45156.36
22​
aPalmer22146.60144.45152.80178.55622.40155.60
23​
Bloom (staff)26140.85152.75143.25182.70619.55154.89
24​
fear the bald20153.80169.70131.80162.50617.80154.45
25​
Ruffroddys21187.60152.15160.10116.75616.60154.15
26​
The Winz23152.00152.35167.15139.35610.85152.71
27​
Galileo19148.55142.15173.95142.65607.30151.83
28​
Irelad21138.80147.15156.55160.20602.70150.68
29​
dzambo22146.35150.95155.25147.50600.05150.01
30​
Menobrown24138.15149.35129.25158.85575.60143.90
31​
Monty Burns22142.35150.35127.80149.25569.75142.44
32​
Gottabesweet22124.00155.85140.35143.35563.55140.89

Teams That Missed the Cut in Week 4: :crying:

TeamSizeWeek 1Week 2Week 3Week 4TotalAverage
Nittany Lion22152.30190.60203.10121.15667.15166.79
FormerFourDigit20163.50175.80181.15118.50638.95159.74
The Turk (staff)21130.30182.45169.65122.75605.15151.29
RustyColts20132.65185.50155.85125.65599.65149.91
ChurchOfIggyPop20148.45145.00128.95130.65553.05138.26
 
I like doing these stupid teams. This team would still be alive:

QB - Bailey Zappe - NE/11 - $3
RB - Kyren Williams - LAR/10 - $4
RB - Zack Moss - IND/11 - $4
WR - Tutu Atwell - LAR/10 - $3
WR - Puka Nacua - LAR/10 - $3
WR - Michael Wilson - ARI/14 - $3
WR - Tank Dell - HOU/7 - $3
WR - Josh Reynolds - DET/9 - $3
TE - Donald Parham - LAC/5 - $3
TE - Jonnu Smith - ATL/11 - $3
PK - Brett Maher - LAR/10 - $3
TD - Arizona Cardinals - ARI/14 - $3

Total spent - $38
 
No Ties this week affected the UNOFFICIAL cut after each week (barring future ties):

Start 9966
10% Week 1 Cut to Number – 8971
10% Week 2 cut to Number – 8077
10% Week 3 cut to Number – 7271
20% Week 4 cut to Number – 5817
20% Week 5 cut to Number – 4654
20% Week 6 cut to Number – 3724
20% Week 7 cut to Number – 2980
30% Week 8 cut to Number – 2086
30% Week 9 cut to Number – 1461
30% Week 10 cut to Number – 1023
30% Week 11 cut to Number – 717
30% Week 12 cut to Number – 502
40% Week 13 cut to Number – 302
40% Week 14 cut to Number – 182 (means the top 43 non-playoff teams this week win a prize)

From Contest Rules: * - if fewer than 225 participants remain after week 14, then prizes will be awarded to eliminated participants according to highest score in week 14. If prizes are still unawarded after that, then highest score in week 13, and so on.
 
Waller did nothing for me....but Seattle's defense saved me! 141.1 vs 131.15 (pre-game 127.1 vs 127.1).

Pickett is out through Week 8 (?). Lions (Goff) on bye Week 9. (Rodgers out for the year).

If I could, would change team name to Hanging On By A Thread.
 
I’m a numbers guy- I love looking at them, so this is great to me. Thanks for doing it!

I feel like I wouldn’t be doing so great in your top 32 contest, but hey, I’m alive. Interesting to me that there’s not a single 8-man team in there.
 
Week 4 started with 35 folks still eligible for @Joe Bryant extra $100 prize. Today we mourn the loss of @rustycolts

Let's congratulate the following for advancing to week 5:
Page 10 - @TwinTurbo @QuizGuy66 @JaBoo @Angry Beavers @Puppies @cstruk @ZWK @IHEARTFF @Kruegs @scottybo @Balco @TrishaRita
Page 9 - @apalmer @Galileo @dzambo @steelerfan1 @msudaisy26 @firstseason1988 @Parmcat @Shaunz33 @wollac @Steeler @SeniorVBDStudent @Monty Burns @bamabuddha @Hatch
Page 8 - @joey @BroncosFan07 @(HULK) @a_troll00 @themeanmachine @Deamon
Page 7 - @Dacomish @HairySasquatch

Of note
- Our highest score of the week was @Shaunz33 with 222.5 points (he just about cleared the line with Josh Allen, CMC, and Nico)
- Zach Wilson is now the only opposing QB to have more completions, more passing yards, more TD passes, and fewer interceptions than Patrick Mahomes in a Mahomes start, college or pro (out of 127 total starts, including postseason).

Bring on week 5!
 
Happy we're on to week 5.
I do have a concern. My 2 highest priced players, Mixon & Etienne, have contributed very little. Others have made for this by producing above expectations and I don't know how long they will continue to do so.
Congrats to those still in it and sympathies to those who are not.
 
I like doing these stupid teams. This team would still be alive:

QB - Bailey Zappe - NE/11 - $3
RB - Kyren Williams - LAR/10 - $4
RB - Zack Moss - IND/11 - $4
WR - Tutu Atwell - LAR/10 - $3
WR - Puka Nacua - LAR/10 - $3
WR - Michael Wilson - ARI/14 - $3
WR - Tank Dell - HOU/7 - $3
WR - Josh Reynolds - DET/9 - $3
TE - Donald Parham - LAC/5 - $3
TE - Jonnu Smith - ATL/11 - $3
PK - Brett Maher - LAR/10 - $3
TD - Arizona Cardinals - ARI/14 - $3

Total spent - $38
But it wouldn't meet minimum roster requirements, so you need to add a few more $3 studs
 
Happy we're on to week 5.
I do have a concern. My 2 highest priced players, Mixon & Etienne, have contributed very little. Others have made for this by producing above expectations and I don't know how long they will continue to do so.
Congrats to those still in it and sympathies to those who are not.

On the bright side if they pick up the pace the herd of other Mixon/Etienne owners will be thinner.

-QG
 
Survival Rate Trivia

The highest survival rate through 4 weeks is enjoyed by teams with 29 players on their roster, with 86.57% of those team surviving so far.
The lowest survival rate through 4 weeks is with teams rostering 18 players, with only 52.18% surviving thus far.
This makes 4 weeks in a row that these two specific roster sizes were the highest and lowest. The overall survival rate for all team sizes is 58.37%

The top 5 team sizes in terms of highest survival rate, are 29, 28, 25, 26, and 27, in that order.
The bottom 5 team sizes in terms of lowest survival rate are 18, 19, 20, 21, and 22, in that order.

Of the 1,456 teams eliminated this week, 1,317 of them (90.45%) were from teams with between 18 - 22 players.
 
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I do think that the presence of multiple true $3 monster players on a level seldom seen in this contest will keep the big rosters in even better shape than usual.

That and perhaps the roosters that have a top-3 of all $30+ guys who backfilled with those deluxe cheapos.

-QG
 
Last week 209 crush it this week barely squeak by with a 138 (131 cut).

Hail to Tyler Conklin for pulling it out for me on Sunday night.

This team is not long for this contest
 
Here are my expected starters for week 5:
QB - Sam Howell (my only one, so hope he does well vs CHI, at least I won't have to wait long to find out)
RB - Alvin Kamara
RB - James Cook
WR - Tyreek Hill
WR - Zay Flowers
TE - Darren Waller
FL - Joe Mixon
FL - Jake Ferguson
K - Anders Carlson
D - DET

I will be without Justin Herbert, Tyler Lockett, Dustin Hopkins, LAC D, and I guess we'll see about Javonte Williams (but he hasn't counted for me yet)
 
Last week 209 crush it this week barely squeak by with a 138 (131 cut).

Hail to Tyler Conklin for pulling it out for me on Sunday night.

This team is not long for this contest

Eh, you're not even in the top 500 living teams in standard deviation, so your swings haven't been that crazy.

By the way, you're not alone. Jugger Jugger (#108736) also went from 209 last week to 138 this week. That team doesn't have Conklin, which is how I knew which one you were.
 

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