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Lost in all the trade deadline and Portland super team discussion is a massive league collusion scandal from last night!

Shaq, Chuck, and Kenny clearly colluded in their drafting of NBA All-Star teams. Shaq took all the aging stars, Kenny took all the younger stars, and Chuck took all the international stars. Crazy how that all worked out
 
Cuban didn’t sign off on the Luka deal at all. Had nothing to do with it.
He went from "I'm still in control of basketball ops" to "I can't even throw myself in front of the biggest mistake in franchise history" in what, 13 months?
My sense is "basketball ops" is really just game day experience, building maintenance, and things like that. Basically he gets to keep a good seat in the stadium if he wants to go.

The thing that gets me the most is that out of all the NBA owners save Ballmer, he's the one that seemed to enjoy it the most. Maybe that's where I'm wrong though.
Basketball Operations is what the General Manager is the head of the department for.

Each NBA team (btw, same in MLB and in the NFL, but replace the word basketball with baseball or football) is organized into Business Operations and Basketball Operations. Typically there is a head of each, often the Business head is called Team President and the basketball head is called General Manager. Sometimes the business head is CEO, and sometimes the basketball head is President. Rarely, one person is in charge of both but not the owner of the team. More commonly, the houses each report to the ownership.

Basketball Operations comprises:
1. Coaching (Advance scouting falls under coaching)
2. Player Development and Scouting
3. Training Staff
4. Basketball Analytics

Gameday experience and such all falls under Business Operations. For example, Rob Pelinka is not dealing with the cheerleaders, if the roof has a leak, swapping the floor to ice for the hockey team, etc.
FWIW, most teams have some title bloat now where what was traditionally called general manager is now president of basketball operations and the assistant GM is now called the general manager.
 
Lost in all the trade deadline and Portland super team discussion is a massive league collusion scandal from last night!

Shaq, Chuck, and Kenny clearly colluded in their drafting of NBA All-Star teams. Shaq took all the aging stars, Kenny took all the younger stars, and Chuck took all the international stars. Crazy how that all worked out
That seems like a fun way to do it actually.
 
Who is the best homegrown Sacramento player of all time? Have they ever had one?
Like someone they drafted? Peja, Cousins and Fox, probably. Props to Woz on the Summer Sanders reference though, that’s a deep pull.

Yeah, drafted and developed. Went down that rabbit hole last night and it's bereft of headliners - Peja's a good one. Fox and Cousins too. Summer Sanders was the correct answer, though.
 
Cuban didn’t sign off on the Luka deal at all. Had nothing to do with it.
He went from "I'm still in control of basketball ops" to "I can't even throw myself in front of the biggest mistake in franchise history" in what, 13 months?
My sense is "basketball ops" is really just game day experience, building maintenance, and things like that. Basically he gets to keep a good seat in the stadium if he wants to go.

The thing that gets me the most is that out of all the NBA owners save Ballmer, he's the one that seemed to enjoy it the most. Maybe that's where I'm wrong though.
Basketball Operations is what the General Manager is the head of the department for.

Each NBA team (btw, same in MLB and in the NFL, but replace the word basketball with baseball or football) is organized into Business Operations and Basketball Operations. Typically there is a head of each, often the Business head is called Team President and the basketball head is called General Manager. Sometimes the business head is CEO, and sometimes the basketball head is President. Rarely, one person is in charge of both but not the owner of the team. More commonly, the houses each report to the ownership.

Basketball Operations comprises:
1. Coaching (Advance scouting falls under coaching)
2. Player Development and Scouting
3. Training Staff
4. Basketball Analytics

Gameday experience and such all falls under Business Operations. For example, Rob Pelinka is not dealing with the cheerleaders, if the roof has a leak, swapping the floor to ice for the hockey team, etc.
Regarding 1 and 2, what are the nuances that distinguish coaching from player development? Asking as a Spurs fans who has a bone to pick with the development of Vassell, Sochan, and probably a couple of others.
 
In the end, tonight was a good night for those who don't love Draymond's antics.
I watched the clip, he earned a technical a full minute before they finally gave him one.

NBA refs are gutless when it comes to dealing with him. I don't get it.
He'd gotten away with a ton of skeevy **** before that too. My favorite sequence was him throwing himself into Gabe Vincent while the Lakers had the ball and getting an illegal screen called on Vincent, then immediately following he sets a moving screen to free up Curry for a layup that didn't get called - talking trash the entire time.

Still I think Dillon Brooks was an even bigger scum bag last night. Why the refs have such a long fuse for these guys and their WWE BS is beyond me.

There was some justice last night when the refs completely blew that backcourt time violation against the Lakers, causing Green's head to explode.
 
Lost in all the trade deadline and Portland super team discussion is a massive league collusion scandal from last night!

Shaq, Chuck, and Kenny clearly colluded in their drafting of NBA All-Star teams. Shaq took all the aging stars, Kenny took all the younger stars, and Chuck took all the international stars. Crazy how that all worked out
That seems like a fun way to do it actually.
Totally. I thought it was funny they had to do a “draft” to get there.


Here are the teams for those interested.

Team Shaq - LeBron, Curry, Davis, Tatum, Durant, Lillard, Harden, Brown

Team Kenny - Edwards, Brunson, JJJ, Williams, Garland, Mobley, Cunningham, Herro

Team Chuck - Jokic, Giannis, SGA, Wemby, Siakam, Sengun, KAT, Mitchell


Not sure why Kenny didn’t take Mitchell, especially over Williams or Herro.
 
Cuban didn’t sign off on the Luka deal at all. Had nothing to do with it.
He went from "I'm still in control of basketball ops" to "I can't even throw myself in front of the biggest mistake in franchise history" in what, 13 months?
My sense is "basketball ops" is really just game day experience, building maintenance, and things like that. Basically he gets to keep a good seat in the stadium if he wants to go.

The thing that gets me the most is that out of all the NBA owners save Ballmer, he's the one that seemed to enjoy it the most. Maybe that's where I'm wrong though.
Basketball Operations is what the General Manager is the head of the department for.

Each NBA team (btw, same in MLB and in the NFL, but replace the word basketball with baseball or football) is organized into Business Operations and Basketball Operations. Typically there is a head of each, often the Business head is called Team President and the basketball head is called General Manager. Sometimes the business head is CEO, and sometimes the basketball head is President. Rarely, one person is in charge of both but not the owner of the team. More commonly, the houses each report to the ownership.

Basketball Operations comprises:
1. Coaching (Advance scouting falls under coaching)
2. Player Development and Scouting
3. Training Staff
4. Basketball Analytics

Gameday experience and such all falls under Business Operations. For example, Rob Pelinka is not dealing with the cheerleaders, if the roof has a leak, swapping the floor to ice for the hockey team, etc.
Regarding 1 and 2, what are the nuances that distinguish coaching from player development? Asking as a Spurs fans who has a bone to pick with the development of Vassell, Sochan, and probably a couple of others.
I mean all 4 intertwine. But #2 is all your draft, G-League scouting, possible FAs, weightlifting, specific skills coaches (e.g., Chip was one of the best in SA before he left), etc. Whereas I put #1 as HC and ACs, advance scouting and gameplanning, in game management, offense and defensive structure, etc.

Every team is a little different too.
 
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Cuban didn’t sign off on the Luka deal at all. Had nothing to do with it.
He went from "I'm still in control of basketball ops" to "I can't even throw myself in front of the biggest mistake in franchise history" in what, 13 months?
My sense is "basketball ops" is really just game day experience, building maintenance, and things like that. Basically he gets to keep a good seat in the stadium if he wants to go.

The thing that gets me the most is that out of all the NBA owners save Ballmer, he's the one that seemed to enjoy it the most. Maybe that's where I'm wrong though.
Basketball Operations is what the General Manager is the head of the department for.

Each NBA team (btw, same in MLB and in the NFL, but replace the word basketball with baseball or football) is organized into Business Operations and Basketball Operations. Typically there is a head of each, often the Business head is called Team President and the basketball head is called General Manager. Sometimes the business head is CEO, and sometimes the basketball head is President. Rarely, one person is in charge of both but not the owner of the team. More commonly, the houses each report to the ownership.

Basketball Operations comprises:
1. Coaching (Advance scouting falls under coaching)
2. Player Development and Scouting
3. Training Staff
4. Basketball Analytics

Gameday experience and such all falls under Business Operations. For example, Rob Pelinka is not dealing with the cheerleaders, if the roof has a leak, swapping the floor to ice for the hockey team, etc.
FWIW, most teams have some title bloat now where what was traditionally called general manager is now president of basketball operations and the assistant GM is now called the general manager.
I'd love to see a list. i did say "sometimes the basketball head is President." Yes, that title would be "President of Basketball Operations".

But it's worth remembering all of the teams are super different. I don't believe "most teams" now have a President of BO who is in the GM role. For instance, Golden State's EVP of B Ops is the owner's son, Kirk, and they have Dunleavy as GM. San Antonio has Pop as the Prez but Brian is the GM ever since R.C. wanted to move over to the business - but RC and Pop both have some say still, though Brian is doing all the same duties as Dunleavy, or as the Mavs' Nico, or as Pelinka. And in GS, Kirk is involved in like every meeting everywhere on both sides as one of the more talented and bright nepo-babies I've met in sports. Who actually put the work in to get where he is in a big way.

Boston, on the other hand, I think completely eschews the GM title. You've got Brad Stevens as Prez and Zarren as VP.

OKC has Presti hold the title of EVP and GM

They vary WIDELY.

I'd guess very few teams, without taking the time to google them all, have a GM who is really the old-style Assistant GM in the way you describe above. It's almost always been my experience that if the GM get's the President title, he holds both. And then they add all sorts of VPs and EVPs, mostly (OKC and SA both great examples) to hire ex-GMs who are being paid a ****load by some other team still to come be a kind of all-around voice in the room and just get smarter. GS does this too.

One of the reasons I think/know the new Mavs ownership kind of sucks is they, to my knowledge, don't do any of the "oh that guy got fired? He's super smart let's bring him in."
 
Who is the best homegrown Sacramento player of all time? Have they ever had one?
Like someone they drafted? Peja, Cousins and Fox, probably. Props to Woz on the Summer Sanders reference though, that’s a deep pull.

Yeah, drafted and developed. Went down that rabbit hole last night and it's bereft of headliners - Peja's a good one. Fox and Cousins too. Summer Sanders was the correct answer, though.

Kenny Smith deserves some love but he definitely became a man in Houston
 
Cuban didn’t sign off on the Luka deal at all. Had nothing to do with it.
Cuban selling this team is still arguably more shocking to me than this trade.

I never did understand this one. That guy LOVED his Mavericks. He was the face of that franchise. Did he need the money? Is he going into politics? So much questions.

Part of me thinks he was over leveraged in some bad deals and needed to raise cash or maybe he's just smart and wanted to sell his majority stake to lock in profits. I can't knock the guys timing as he fleeced Yahoo when he sold them Broadcast.com. If he waited another year, he wouldn't be the Mavericks owner and they probably would have never bought it let alone cough up $5+bn.
 
Cuban didn’t sign off on the Luka deal at all. Had nothing to do with it.
He went from "I'm still in control of basketball ops" to "I can't even throw myself in front of the biggest mistake in franchise history" in what, 13 months?
My sense is "basketball ops" is really just game day experience, building maintenance, and things like that. Basically he gets to keep a good seat in the stadium if he wants to go.

The thing that gets me the most is that out of all the NBA owners save Ballmer, he's the one that seemed to enjoy it the most. Maybe that's where I'm wrong though.
Basketball Operations is what the General Manager is the head of the department for.

Each NBA team (btw, same in MLB and in the NFL, but replace the word basketball with baseball or football) is organized into Business Operations and Basketball Operations. Typically there is a head of each, often the Business head is called Team President and the basketball head is called General Manager. Sometimes the business head is CEO, and sometimes the basketball head is President. Rarely, one person is in charge of both but not the owner of the team. More commonly, the houses each report to the ownership.

Basketball Operations comprises:
1. Coaching (Advance scouting falls under coaching)
2. Player Development and Scouting
3. Training Staff
4. Basketball Analytics

Gameday experience and such all falls under Business Operations. For example, Rob Pelinka is not dealing with the cheerleaders, if the roof has a leak, swapping the floor to ice for the hockey team, etc.
What are you, some sort of expert on this stuff?
 
Does anyone know if there is a mandatory floor to the NBA cap? Nets have $90M in space after this season - thx Ben - and just wondering how much if any they need to spend as they will likely be tanking one more year.
Yes, there is a floor that you have to be at when the season starts. Like 90% of the cap.

Edit: I now realize someone almost surely answered this already
 
Cuban didn’t sign off on the Luka deal at all. Had nothing to do with it.
He went from "I'm still in control of basketball ops" to "I can't even throw myself in front of the biggest mistake in franchise history" in what, 13 months?
My sense is "basketball ops" is really just game day experience, building maintenance, and things like that. Basically he gets to keep a good seat in the stadium if he wants to go.

The thing that gets me the most is that out of all the NBA owners save Ballmer, he's the one that seemed to enjoy it the most. Maybe that's where I'm wrong though.
Basketball Operations is what the General Manager is the head of the department for.

Each NBA team (btw, same in MLB and in the NFL, but replace the word basketball with baseball or football) is organized into Business Operations and Basketball Operations. Typically there is a head of each, often the Business head is called Team President and the basketball head is called General Manager. Sometimes the business head is CEO, and sometimes the basketball head is President. Rarely, one person is in charge of both but not the owner of the team. More commonly, the houses each report to the ownership.

Basketball Operations comprises:
1. Coaching (Advance scouting falls under coaching)
2. Player Development and Scouting
3. Training Staff
4. Basketball Analytics

Gameday experience and such all falls under Business Operations. For example, Rob Pelinka is not dealing with the cheerleaders, if the roof has a leak, swapping the floor to ice for the hockey team, etc.
What are you, some sort of expert on this stuff?
Can't tell if joke, sorry, will answer earnestly but concisely.

Before I got married I: was on the coaching staff of a P5 basketball program, spent a season in an NBA team front office reporting directly to the GM, spent a year at MLB's league office, was on the stadium management team (read: business side) for an NFL team, spent 4 years running a nationally recognized sports conference that isn't at MIT, and was a writer for SBNation under a pseudonym.
 
Cuban didn’t sign off on the Luka deal at all. Had nothing to do with it.
He went from "I'm still in control of basketball ops" to "I can't even throw myself in front of the biggest mistake in franchise history" in what, 13 months?
My sense is "basketball ops" is really just game day experience, building maintenance, and things like that. Basically he gets to keep a good seat in the stadium if he wants to go.

The thing that gets me the most is that out of all the NBA owners save Ballmer, he's the one that seemed to enjoy it the most. Maybe that's where I'm wrong though.
Definitely did. If I had to draft sports owners least likely to sell he would’ve been a top-3 pick. Baffling.
I thought that he had some financial uncertainty around that time, but I may be completely making that up
 
Cuban didn’t sign off on the Luka deal at all. Had nothing to do with it.
He went from "I'm still in control of basketball ops" to "I can't even throw myself in front of the biggest mistake in franchise history" in what, 13 months?
My sense is "basketball ops" is really just game day experience, building maintenance, and things like that. Basically he gets to keep a good seat in the stadium if he wants to go.

The thing that gets me the most is that out of all the NBA owners save Ballmer, he's the one that seemed to enjoy it the most. Maybe that's where I'm wrong though.
Basketball Operations is what the General Manager is the head of the department for.

Each NBA team (btw, same in MLB and in the NFL, but replace the word basketball with baseball or football) is organized into Business Operations and Basketball Operations. Typically there is a head of each, often the Business head is called Team President and the basketball head is called General Manager. Sometimes the business head is CEO, and sometimes the basketball head is President. Rarely, one person is in charge of both but not the owner of the team. More commonly, the houses each report to the ownership.

Basketball Operations comprises:
1. Coaching (Advance scouting falls under coaching)
2. Player Development and Scouting
3. Training Staff
4. Basketball Analytics

Gameday experience and such all falls under Business Operations. For example, Rob Pelinka is not dealing with the cheerleaders, if the roof has a leak, swapping the floor to ice for the hockey team, etc.
What are you, some sort of expert on this stuff?
Can't tell if joke, sorry, will answer earnestly but concisely.

Before I got married I: was on the coaching staff of a P5 basketball program, spent a season in an NBA team front office reporting directly to the GM, spent a year at MLB's league office, was on the stadium management team (read: business side) for an NFL team, spent 4 years running a nationally recognized sports conference that isn't at MIT, and was a writer for SBNation under a pseudonym.
I was joking - and did so on the heels of that "expert" thread. :)

I'm generally aware of your chops in the sports world as it makes me jealous in a friendly way. I originally went to law school wanting to be a sports agent or get into sports management because I wasn't gifted with enough athletic ability to get into that world otherwise. I then realized it was also a super challenging area to break into (I didn't go to Marquette because of a girl) and, even if I got my foot in the door, I'd be working for free for several years which wasn't plausible. Also my grade in my sports law class wasn't so great as it was basically another contracts class :lmao:
 
Deandre Hunter could very well be the most impactful deal of the deadline, non-Luka division. And for this year only, maybe the most. Great guy to slot in to a team looking to have fewer weaknesses in the playoffs and his contract is really good the next two years. Injury is a concern, but other than that it is great.

Charlotte continues to do a great job of recognizing where they are and trying to get maximum value where they can.

Memphis continues to disappoint with their major aversion to any kind of risk monetarily. They have a wealthy owner who I thought was going to be ok with possible tax payments, but their moves belie that.

Boston’s move to get off of Smart when they did should go down as one of the great moves in history.
 
Cuban didn’t sign off on the Luka deal at all. Had nothing to do with it.
He went from "I'm still in control of basketball ops" to "I can't even throw myself in front of the biggest mistake in franchise history" in what, 13 months?
My sense is "basketball ops" is really just game day experience, building maintenance, and things like that. Basically he gets to keep a good seat in the stadium if he wants to go.

The thing that gets me the most is that out of all the NBA owners save Ballmer, he's the one that seemed to enjoy it the most. Maybe that's where I'm wrong though.
Basketball Operations is what the General Manager is the head of the department for.

Each NBA team (btw, same in MLB and in the NFL, but replace the word basketball with baseball or football) is organized into Business Operations and Basketball Operations. Typically there is a head of each, often the Business head is called Team President and the basketball head is called General Manager. Sometimes the business head is CEO, and sometimes the basketball head is President. Rarely, one person is in charge of both but not the owner of the team. More commonly, the houses each report to the ownership.

Basketball Operations comprises:
1. Coaching (Advance scouting falls under coaching)
2. Player Development and Scouting
3. Training Staff
4. Basketball Analytics

Gameday experience and such all falls under Business Operations. For example, Rob Pelinka is not dealing with the cheerleaders, if the roof has a leak, swapping the floor to ice for the hockey team, etc.
What are you, some sort of expert on this stuff?
Can't tell if joke, sorry, will answer earnestly but concisely.

Before I got married I: was on the coaching staff of a P5 basketball program, spent a season in an NBA team front office reporting directly to the GM, spent a year at MLB's league office, was on the stadium management team (read: business side) for an NFL team, spent 4 years running a nationally recognized sports conference that isn't at MIT, and was a writer for SBNation under a pseudonym.
I was joking - and did so on the heels of that "expert" thread. :)

I'm generally aware of your chops in the sports world as it makes me jealous in a friendly way. I originally went to law school wanting to be a sports agent or get into sports management because I wasn't gifted with enough athletic ability to get into that world otherwise. I then realized it was also a super challenging area to break into (I didn't go to Marquette because of a girl) and, even if I got my foot in the door, I'd be working for free for several years which wasn't plausible. Also my grade in my sports law class wasn't so great as it was basically another contracts class :lmao:
I loved my classes on the topic. Even more so during MBA program. But I'll be damned if being an agent didn't sound like the worst degradation I could imagine. I eventually went my different path because of money. I don't think I regret it. But idk.
 
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Cuban didn’t sign off on the Luka deal at all. Had nothing to do with it.
He went from "I'm still in control of basketball ops" to "I can't even throw myself in front of the biggest mistake in franchise history" in what, 13 months?
My sense is "basketball ops" is really just game day experience, building maintenance, and things like that. Basically he gets to keep a good seat in the stadium if he wants to go.

The thing that gets me the most is that out of all the NBA owners save Ballmer, he's the one that seemed to enjoy it the most. Maybe that's where I'm wrong though.
Basketball Operations is what the General Manager is the head of the department for.

Each NBA team (btw, same in MLB and in the NFL, but replace the word basketball with baseball or football) is organized into Business Operations and Basketball Operations. Typically there is a head of each, often the Business head is called Team President and the basketball head is called General Manager. Sometimes the business head is CEO, and sometimes the basketball head is President. Rarely, one person is in charge of both but not the owner of the team. More commonly, the houses each report to the ownership.

Basketball Operations comprises:
1. Coaching (Advance scouting falls under coaching)
2. Player Development and Scouting
3. Training Staff
4. Basketball Analytics

Gameday experience and such all falls under Business Operations. For example, Rob Pelinka is not dealing with the cheerleaders, if the roof has a leak, swapping the floor to ice for the hockey team, etc.
What are you, some sort of expert on this stuff?
and was a writer for SBNation under a pseudonym.
Maximus Johnson, am i right?
 
Cuban didn’t sign off on the Luka deal at all. Had nothing to do with it.
He went from "I'm still in control of basketball ops" to "I can't even throw myself in front of the biggest mistake in franchise history" in what, 13 months?
My sense is "basketball ops" is really just game day experience, building maintenance, and things like that. Basically he gets to keep a good seat in the stadium if he wants to go.

The thing that gets me the most is that out of all the NBA owners save Ballmer, he's the one that seemed to enjoy it the most. Maybe that's where I'm wrong though.
Basketball Operations is what the General Manager is the head of the department for.

Each NBA team (btw, same in MLB and in the NFL, but replace the word basketball with baseball or football) is organized into Business Operations and Basketball Operations. Typically there is a head of each, often the Business head is called Team President and the basketball head is called General Manager. Sometimes the business head is CEO, and sometimes the basketball head is President. Rarely, one person is in charge of both but not the owner of the team. More commonly, the houses each report to the ownership.

Basketball Operations comprises:
1. Coaching (Advance scouting falls under coaching)
2. Player Development and Scouting
3. Training Staff
4. Basketball Analytics

Gameday experience and such all falls under Business Operations. For example, Rob Pelinka is not dealing with the cheerleaders, if the roof has a leak, swapping the floor to ice for the hockey team, etc.
What are you, some sort of expert on this stuff?
and was a writer for SBNation under a pseudonym.
Maximus Johnson, am i right?
Biggus dickus, imo
 
Charlotte continues to do a great job of recognizing where they are and trying to get maximum value where they can.
So many new ownership groups come in and make big, splashy deals that harm the team. Definitely seems like the new crew in Charlotte is going to be patient and actually rebuild. Need the lottery to cooperate though.
 
I kinda like this Ty Jerome for the Cavs. Got a fairly deep bench in fantasy with a bunch of INJ slots and this guy has been pretty decent. Bet he's a more valuable real player to his team than fantasy, but he has my attention.



Rip City
 
YTTV randomly shut off my NBA league pass in the middle of watching a game.

I guess they did a random audit and when they saw my IP address tune in to 47 straight Orlando Magic games they censored it due to my mental health.

Regardless, I learned that I can tune in to YouTube app on my fire stick and suddenly all the games that were blacked out in my area are there. I'm sure other people knew this but I have complained in this thread before so thought I'd share.
 
Large amount of protesters outside Mavs arena hours before game time. Sizeable police/security presence too. Should be interesting there today.
 

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