2024 FBG Subscriber Contest (3 Viewers)

[Scoresman]

Thanks. I see them in the analyzer tool dropdown, was just wondering if the prices existed in a downloadable or copy/paste-able format. If not, I'll just wait for this year's player list to come out.

Scroll on up to post #16 in this thread. Will ZWK's spreadsheet work for you?

It does! Thanks!

 

[Joe Bryant]

Thinking on this more, the spirit of the entire contest is 1 person playing against all the rest.

I can't do anything to keep you guys from forming a collective but that's mostly frowned upon in contests. Lots of people do this in the DFS tournaments where people gang up and try to cover their bases on building unique lineups and then split prizes.

It probably makes sense from a pure game theory EV angle.

But it's not really the spirit of what we'd like.

In other words, I'd hate for for a non forum subscriber working on their one entry to see that on our own message boards, we have people openly talking about working together to game the contest.

Again, I can't keep that from happening. But for the talk on how to work together and game the system, I'd rather you not do that.

So please if you're going to do that, take the discussion to another platform. Thanks.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Plus, you folks are plenty smart enough to win this on your own.

 

[Dacomish]

Thinking on this more, the spirit of the entire contest is 1 person playing against all the rest.

I can't do anything to keep you guys from forming a collective but that's mostly frowned upon in contests. Lots of people do this in the DFS tournaments where people gang up and try to cover their bases on building unique lineups and then split prizes.

It probably makes sense from a pure game theory EV angle.

But it's not really the spirit of what we'd like.

In other words, I'd hate for for a non forum subscriber working on their one entry to see that on our own message boards, we have people openly talking about working together to game the contest.

Again, I can't keep that from happening. But for the talk on how to work together and game the system, I'd rather you not do that.

So please if you're going to do that, take the discussion to another platform. Thanks.

Not a problem Joe, it was an interesting thought, but totally understand.

I pulled back my offer and will just do my own entry, no worries!

 

[Scoresman]

Thinking on this more, the spirit of the entire contest is 1 person playing against all the rest.

I can't do anything to keep you guys from forming a collective but that's mostly frowned upon in contests. Lots of people do this in the DFS tournaments where people gang up and try to cover their bases on building unique lineups and then split prizes.

It probably makes sense from a pure game theory EV angle.

But it's not really the spirit of what we'd like.

In other words, I'd hate for for a non forum subscriber working on their one entry to see that on our own message boards, we have people openly talking about working together to game the contest.

Again, I can't keep that from happening. But for the talk on how to work together and game the system, I'd rather you not do that.

So please if you're going to do that, take the discussion to another platform. Tha

I can’t speak for others but I’d do this sort of thing for fun. It’s cool to see if any of the research and analysis I do is worth a damn.

So if these sorts of entries were similar to how staff entries were viewed, that’d still be ok with me. That is, they are entered and scored but not eligible for money.

Or make it so that 100% of the prize money from collabs go to charity.

 

[TheWinz]

Thinking on this more, the spirit of the entire contest is 1 person playing against all the rest.

I can't do anything to keep you guys from forming a collective but that's mostly frowned upon in contests. Lots of people do this in the DFS tournaments where people gang up and try to cover their bases on building unique lineups and then split prizes.

It probably makes sense from a pure game theory EV angle.

But it's not really the spirit of what we'd like.

In other words, I'd hate for for a non forum subscriber working on their one entry to see that on our own message boards, we have people openly talking about working together to game the contest.

Again, I can't keep that from happening. But for the talk on how to work together and game the system, I'd rather you not do that.

So please if you're going to do that, take the discussion to another platform. Thanks.

Not a problem Joe, it was an interesting thought, but totally understand.

I pulled back my offer and will just do my own entry, no worries!

Never really thought about it that way. I understand as well, and will not discuss or participate in a team submission. I will, however, continue talking strategy in this thread, because this contest is my favorite thing about FF and I can't help myself!

 

[joey]

Thinking on this more, the spirit of the entire contest is 1 person playing against all the rest.

I can't do anything to keep you guys from forming a collective but that's mostly frowned upon in contests. Lots of people do this in the DFS tournaments where people gang up and try to cover their bases on building unique lineups and then split prizes.

It probably makes sense from a pure game theory EV angle.

But it's not really the spirit of what we'd like.

In other words, I'd hate for for a non forum subscriber working on their one entry to see that on our own message boards, we have people openly talking about working together to game the contest.

Again, I can't keep that from happening. But for the talk on how to work together and game the system, I'd rather you not do that.

So please if you're going to do that, take the discussion to another platform. Thanks.

Not a problem Joe, it was an interesting thought, but totally understand.

I pulled back my offer and will just do my own entry, no worries!

Never really thought about it that way. I understand as well, and will not discuss or participate in a team submission. I will, however, continue talking strategy in this thread, because this contest is my favorite thing about FF and I can't help myself!

Me 3. I’ll do lots of talk here on this board about this great contest, but I will continue to submit my very own roster knowing I’ll be out by week 7

 

[Joe Bryant]

Thinking on this more, the spirit of the entire contest is 1 person playing against all the rest.

I can't do anything to keep you guys from forming a collective but that's mostly frowned upon in contests. Lots of people do this in the DFS tournaments where people gang up and try to cover their bases on building unique lineups and then split prizes.

It probably makes sense from a pure game theory EV angle.

But it's not really the spirit of what we'd like.

In other words, I'd hate for for a non forum subscriber working on their one entry to see that on our own message boards, we have people openly talking about working together to game the contest.

Again, I can't keep that from happening. But for the talk on how to work together and game the system, I'd rather you not do that.

So please if you're going to do that, take the discussion to another platform. Thanks.

Not a problem Joe, it was an interesting thought, but totally understand.

I pulled back my offer and will just do my own entry, no worries!

Never really thought about it that way. I understand as well, and will not discuss or participate in a team submission. I will, however, continue talking strategy in this thread, because this contest is my favorite thing about FF and I can't help myself!

Thanks folks. Y'all are awesome.

 

[Gally]

Thinking on this more, the spirit of the entire contest is 1 person playing against all the rest.

I can't do anything to keep you guys from forming a collective but that's mostly frowned upon in contests. Lots of people do this in the DFS tournaments where people gang up and try to cover their bases on building unique lineups and then split prizes.

It probably makes sense from a pure game theory EV angle.

But it's not really the spirit of what we'd like.

In other words, I'd hate for for a non forum subscriber working on their one entry to see that on our own message boards, we have people openly talking about working together to game the contest.

Again, I can't keep that from happening. But for the talk on how to work together and game the system, I'd rather you not do that.

So please if you're going to do that, take the discussion to another platform. Thanks.

Maybe treat the entry like one of the staff entries............meaning it isn't eligible for any of the prizes. Just more of a fun board comradery opportunity. Maybe have a few of these type entries. Just an idea.

 

[Gally]

I want to try a roster where 5 different board regulars each take a position (QB, RB, WR, TE, and K/D) and become expert at it, then make a killer team. I would take the K/D position of course.

I would think to start you would need to agree on a percentage of salary by position. Seems like that would be the easiest way to allow each position to kind of work on their own and not be completely influenced by the other positions. I think figuring out those percentages would be the first step.


ETA: You could even do four or five of these entries shifting the position salary percentage. QB dominant, RB dominant, WR dominant, etc. Would lead to some interesting information.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Thinking on this more, the spirit of the entire contest is 1 person playing against all the rest.

I can't do anything to keep you guys from forming a collective but that's mostly frowned upon in contests. Lots of people do this in the DFS tournaments where people gang up and try to cover their bases on building unique lineups and then split prizes.

It probably makes sense from a pure game theory EV angle.

But it's not really the spirit of what we'd like.

In other words, I'd hate for for a non forum subscriber working on their one entry to see that on our own message boards, we have people openly talking about working together to game the contest.

Again, I can't keep that from happening. But for the talk on how to work together and game the system, I'd rather you not do that.

So please if you're going to do that, take the discussion to another platform. Thanks.

Maybe treat the entry like one of the staff entries............meaning it isn't eligible for any of the prizes. Just more of a fun board comradery opportunity. Maybe have a few of these type entries. Just an idea.

Thanks. Possibly. The staff entries create a huge headache for @Contest Turk as it is though. I'm hesitant to add more to him there. I still go back to the real spirit of this is each person does their entry. You against the field has always been the spirit for this.

 

[Scoresman]

What would the collective say is the max number of same bye weeks that is acceptable at a position? I know this will depend on roster size, but is it reasonable for something like no more than 50% of your total players by position can share a Bye? So if you have 4 QBs, 2 shared byes is fine, but not 3?

 

[Scoresman]

My excel has been calculating an optimal 18 team roster for the past 15 minutes and looks like it might be halfway done. Taking 6,291,456 iterations. It's just as undecided as we are on this!

 

[TheWinz]

What would the collective say is the max number of same bye weeks that is acceptable at a position? I know this will depend on roster size, but is it reasonable for something like no more than 50% of your total players by position can share a Bye? So if you have 4 QBs, 2 shared byes is fine, but not 3?

I think it depends who those players are. For example, at QB, if I rostered 1 stud and 3 duds (like Josh Allen, Bryce Young, Will Levis, Aidan O'Connell), I would be fine with all the duds sharing the same bye, but I wouldn't want to roll into a week with only one of the duds. Another example could be at RB. If I rostered 6, and they were CMC, Bijan, Singletary, Javonte, Zeke, and Vidal, I would not want CMC & Bijan to share a bye, but would be perfectly fine with any other 2 RB's sharing a bye. The goal is to separate the bye weeks of your best players.

 

[Scoresman]

What would the collective say is the max number of same bye weeks that is acceptable at a position? I know this will depend on roster size, but is it reasonable for something like no more than 50% of your total players by position can share a Bye? So if you have 4 QBs, 2 shared byes is fine, but not 3?

I think it depends who those players are. For example, at QB, if I rostered 1 stud and 3 duds (like Josh Allen, Bryce Young, Will Levis, Aidan O'Connell), I would be fine with all the duds sharing the same bye, but I wouldn't want to roll into a week with only one of the duds. Another example could be at RB. If I rostered 6, and they were CMC, Bijan, Singletary, Javonte, Zeke, and Vidal, I would not want CMC & Bijan to share a bye, but would be perfectly fine with any other 2 RB's sharing a bye. The goal is to separate the bye weeks of your best players.

Thanks, yeah. Bye weeks are too nuanced to run through Solver. I ended up with something, but it was non-linear and was going to take at least 6 hours to spit out 1 roster.

 

[TheWinz]

What would the collective say is the max number of same bye weeks that is acceptable at a position? I know this will depend on roster size, but is it reasonable for something like no more than 50% of your total players by position can share a Bye? So if you have 4 QBs, 2 shared byes is fine, but not 3?

I think it depends who those players are. For example, at QB, if I rostered 1 stud and 3 duds (like Josh Allen, Bryce Young, Will Levis, Aidan O'Connell), I would be fine with all the duds sharing the same bye, but I wouldn't want to roll into a week with only one of the duds. Another example could be at RB. If I rostered 6, and they were CMC, Bijan, Singletary, Javonte, Zeke, and Vidal, I would not want CMC & Bijan to share a bye, but would be perfectly fine with any other 2 RB's sharing a bye. The goal is to separate the bye weeks of your best players.

Thanks, yeah. Bye weeks are too nuanced to run through Solver. I ended up with something, but it was non-linear and was going to take at least 6 hours to spit out 1 roster.

I think you should just let your solver spit out the roster, then use common sense to determine whether the bye week conflicts are too much or not.

 

[Scoresman]

Here's the supposed optimal 18 man roster based on Fantasypro's current expert consensus projections, and estimating player prices using last year's prices and this year's ADP. This spits out the highest scoring roster (total points).

I gave it the freedom to choose from 1-2 QBs, and 1-4 PK/DEF/RB/WR/TE. A couple of drawbacks are that this does not look at avoiding repeat bye weeks at all, and since it's based on total points, isn't nuanced enough to optimize for things like best ball weekly lineups, and max scoring weeks 15-17, etc. I don't have weekly player projections and even if I did, it would probably take excel a week to optimize a roster based on that.

Still, I think this could potentially be valuable to see where the solver spends up and down.

Pos	Name	Bye	Price	Points
QB1	Josh Allen	12​	25​	449.5​
QB2	Baker Mayfield	11​	10​	366.7​
RB1	Christian McCaffrey	9​	34​	318.3​
RB2	Saquon Barkley	5​	30​	264.2​
RB3	J.K. Dobbins	5​	9​	149.3​
WR1	Calvin Ridley	5​	15​	214.1​
WR2	Jordan Addison	6​	13​	196.0​
WR3	Mike Williams	12​	10​	182.6​
WR4	Kendrick Bourne	14​	5​	160.0​
TE1	Travis Kelce	6​	28​	283.8​
TE2	Mark Andrews	14​	21​	247.84​
TE3	Evan Engram	12​	17​	238.35​
TE4	David Njoku	10​	14​	218.55​
PK1	Matt Gay	14​	4​	129.4​
PK2	Blake Grupe	12​	4​	129.2​
PK3	Cairo Santos	7​	4​	128.6​
DEF1	Cincinnati Bengals	12​	4​	119.9​
DEF2	Los Angeles Chargers	5​	3​	114.7​
​	​	250	3910.92​

This doesn't seem like a bad starting point, although I don't like the Bye week issue at RB and don't know how I feel rolling with only 2 each PK/DEF.

I'll do bigger roster sizes if people find this interesting.

 

[TheWinz]

This doesn't seem like a bad starting point, although I don't like the Bye week issue at RB and don't know how I feel rolling with only 2 each PK/DEF.

I loved checking out the roster makeup, thanx. A few thoughts...
- You actually have 3 kickers, not 2. I don't mind 3K/2D at all. As for the kickers, I'd rather have 4 for $3 each than 3 for $4 each.
- It seems your solver put alot of weight into the dollar per fantasy point arena. IMO that's why it went heavy at TE.
- I would never roster 4 "expensive" TE's, because you are guaranteeing at least 1 of them won't be counted every week. I would consider 3 studs and a cheap one though.
- I won't comment on bye weeks, because you said your solver wasn't worried about that.
- No way I would roll with just 3 RB's, especially when 1 of them is simply a hopeful. But here's a fun fact - last year, a team made the finals with only CMC, Jeff Wilson, and Gainwell, and finished 18th overall! Neither Wilson or Gainwell ever hit double digits. This team would've still made the finals even if CMC was the only RB.

 

[-OZ-]

And you quickly see how very few special teams TD's there really are.
In 2023, 22 teams scored none, 9 teams scored 1, and only the Texans scored 2
In 2022, 24 teams scored none, 7 teams scored 1, and only the Bills scored 2
In 2021, 22 teams scored none, 9 teams scored 1, and only the Vikings scored 2
In 2020, 18 teams scored none, 13 teams scored 1, and only the Chiefs scored 2

The days of Devin Hester are over

I wonder how much the new rules will affect this.

 

[Scoresman]

This doesn't seem like a bad starting point, although I don't like the Bye week issue at RB and don't know how I feel rolling with only 2 each PK/DEF.

I loved checking out the roster makeup, thanx. A few thoughts...
- You actually have 3 kickers, not 2. I don't mind 3K/2D at all. As for the kickers, I'd rather have 4 for $3 each than 3 for $4 each.
- It seems your solver put alot of weight into the dollar per fantasy point arena. IMO that's why it went heavy at TE.
- I would never roster 4 "expensive" TE's, because you are guaranteeing at least 1 of them won't be counted every week. I would consider 3 studs and a cheap one though.
- I won't comment on bye weeks, because you said your solver wasn't worried about that.
- No way I would roll with just 3 RB's, especially when 1 of them is simply a hopeful. But here's a fun fact - last year, a team made the finals with only CMC, Jeff Wilson, and Gainwell, and finished 18th overall! Neither Wilson or Gainwell ever hit double digits. This team would've still made the finals even if CMC was the only RB.

I think I need to restrict it to a set number of players per position. When I give it the freedom to choose, it naturally just defaults to max TEs and QBs since they score more points, which isn’t the point of this.

 

[TheWinz]

More 2023 contest facts
- 239 entries rostered only 1 QB - none made the finals
- 149 entries rostered only 2 RB's - none made the finals
- 45 entries rostered only 2 WR's - none made the finals
- 618 entries rostered only 1 TE - 2 made the finals
- 1303 entries rostered only 1 PK - 10 made the finals
- 1317 entries rostered only 1 D - 11 made the finals

 

[TheWinz]

This doesn't seem like a bad starting point, although I don't like the Bye week issue at RB and don't know how I feel rolling with only 2 each PK/DEF.

I loved checking out the roster makeup, thanx. A few thoughts...
- You actually have 3 kickers, not 2. I don't mind 3K/2D at all. As for the kickers, I'd rather have 4 for $3 each than 3 for $4 each.
- It seems your solver put alot of weight into the dollar per fantasy point arena. IMO that's why it went heavy at TE.
- I would never roster 4 "expensive" TE's, because you are guaranteeing at least 1 of them won't be counted every week. I would consider 3 studs and a cheap one though.
- I won't comment on bye weeks, because you said your solver wasn't worried about that.
- No way I would roll with just 3 RB's, especially when 1 of them is simply a hopeful. But here's a fun fact - last year, a team made the finals with only CMC, Jeff Wilson, and Gainwell, and finished 18th overall! Neither Wilson or Gainwell ever hit double digits. This team would've still made the finals even if CMC was the only RB.

I think I need to restrict it to a set number of players per position. When I give it the freedom to choose, it naturally just defaults to max TEs and QBs since they score more points, which isn’t the point of this.

While top TE's stood their ground against top RB's not named CMC, WR's scored far more than TE's. Mike Evans (WR8) outscored the top TE, and he was still 80-90 points behind Lamb and Tyreek.

 

[TheWinz]

And you quickly see how very few special teams TD's there really are.
In 2023, 22 teams scored none, 9 teams scored 1, and only the Texans scored 2
In 2022, 24 teams scored none, 7 teams scored 1, and only the Bills scored 2
In 2021, 22 teams scored none, 9 teams scored 1, and only the Vikings scored 2
In 2020, 18 teams scored none, 13 teams scored 1, and only the Chiefs scored 2

The days of Devin Hester are over

I wonder how much the new rules will affect this.

Could be huge depending on your league scoring, but for this contest, I doubt it moves the needle much at all. Now, if the FBG staff can sneak a new scoring rule in, that would be awesome!

 

[Contest Turk]

I just had a quick chat with Joe about the possibility of a Message Board Collective entry. We decided to allow for up to 5 message board entries that will be treated like staff entries: not eligible for prizes and ignored when computing cut lines.

How y'all handle the logistics is entirely up to you, but I'll need ONE point of contact. Basically, what I need is for one single person to send me all five roosters and team names (in a particular format, to be arranged later) on the morning after the deadline. How you get to that point is up to you.

I hereby decree that @TheWinz is responsible for telling me who the point of contact is, by Saturday, July 20. (Not because I love TheWinz more than any of you other sickos, but because TheWinz started this thread; that seemed to me like a fair way to decide.) TheWinz may or may not end up being the official point of contact who will deliver the final roosters unto me -- that's up to y'all --- but TheWinz is responsible for telling me who the point of contact is. TheWinz, if you would prefer not to have this responsibility, I'll pick someone else for the role.

Make sense?

[Edit: I inadvertently misspelled rooster. Now corrected.]

 

[Scoresman]

I just had a quick chat with Joe about the possibility of a Message Board Collective entry. We decided to allow for up to 5 message board entries that will be treated like staff entries: not eligible for prizes and ignored when computing cut lines.

How y'all handle the logistics is entirely up to you, but I'll need ONE point of contact. Basically, what I need is for one single person to send me all five rosters and team names (in a particular format, to be arranged later) on the morning after the deadline. How you get to that point is up to you.

I hereby decree that @TheWinz is responsible for telling me who the point of contact is, by Saturday, July 20. (Not because I love TheWinz more than any of you other sickos, but because TheWinz started this thread; that seemed to me like a fair way to decide.) TheWinz may or may not end up being the official point of contact who will deliver the final rosters unto me -- that's up to y'all --- but TheWinz is responsible for telling me who the point of contact is. TheWinz, if you would prefer not to have this responsibility, I'll pick someone else for the role.

Make sense?

Thanks for this! I nominate @TheWinz... if he wants it.

 

[Grid71]

I just had a quick chat with Joe about the possibility of a Message Board Collective entry. We decided to allow for up to 5 message board entries that will be treated like staff entries: not eligible for prizes and ignored when computing cut lines.

How y'all handle the logistics is entirely up to you, but I'll need ONE point of contact. Basically, what I need is for one single person to send me all five rosters and team names (in a particular format, to be arranged later) on the morning after the deadline. How you get to that point is up to you.

I hereby decree that @TheWinz is responsible for telling me who the point of contact is, by Saturday, July 20. (Not because I love TheWinz more than any of you other sickos, but because TheWinz started this thread; that seemed to me like a fair way to decide.) TheWinz may or may not end up being the official point of contact who will deliver the final rosters unto me -- that's up to y'all --- but TheWinz is responsible for telling me who the point of contact is. TheWinz, if you would prefer not to have this responsibility, I'll pick someone else for the role.

Make sense?

@TheWinz second that nom. With 5 roosters, we could have fun with some composition/strategy options.

Props to The Turk for making this possible! Bonus, you get more entries to reap.

 

[Scoresman]

I just had a quick chat with Joe about the possibility of a Message Board Collective entry. We decided to allow for up to 5 message board entries that will be treated like staff entries: not eligible for prizes and ignored when computing cut lines.

How y'all handle the logistics is entirely up to you, but I'll need ONE point of contact. Basically, what I need is for one single person to send me all five rosters and team names (in a particular format, to be arranged later) on the morning after the deadline. How you get to that point is up to you.

I hereby decree that @TheWinz is responsible for telling me who the point of contact is, by Saturday, July 20. (Not because I love TheWinz more than any of you other sickos, but because TheWinz started this thread; that seemed to me like a fair way to decide.) TheWinz may or may not end up being the official point of contact who will deliver the final rosters unto me -- that's up to y'all --- but TheWinz is responsible for telling me who the point of contact is. TheWinz, if you would prefer not to have this responsibility, I'll pick someone else for the role.

Make sense?

@TheWinz second that nom. With 5 roosters, we could have fun with some composition/strategy options.

Props to The Turk for making this possible! Bonus, you get more entries to reap.

Can we have a team called The Brown Johnsons? Every player has to either be a Cleveland Brown or have the last name Johnson.

Edit: I just checked, there aren't nearly as many Johnsons in the NFL as when I first heard this joke.

 

[TheWinz]

I just had a quick chat with Joe about the possibility of a Message Board Collective entry. We decided to allow for up to 5 message board entries that will be treated like staff entries: not eligible for prizes and ignored when computing cut lines.

How y'all handle the logistics is entirely up to you, but I'll need ONE point of contact. Basically, what I need is for one single person to send me all five roosters and team names (in a particular format, to be arranged later) on the morning after the deadline. How you get to that point is up to you.

I hereby decree that @TheWinz is responsible for telling me who the point of contact is, by Saturday, July 20. (Not because I love TheWinz more than any of you other sickos, but because TheWinz started this thread; that seemed to me like a fair way to decide.) TheWinz may or may not end up being the official point of contact who will deliver the final roosters unto me -- that's up to y'all --- but TheWinz is responsible for telling me who the point of contact is. TheWinz, if you would prefer not to have this responsibility, I'll pick someone else for the role.

Make sense?

[Edit: I inadvertently misspelled rooster. Now corrected.]

Awesome, thanx. I will gladly be the POC for the entries, but would like an alternate in case I keel over before we submit. All group discussion needs to be in private, so first things first - we need to figure out who wants to be part of the collective submissions. I'm going to start by giving a heads up to everyone who has posted in this thread, or last year as well. Stand by for another post in this thread...

 

[TheWinz]

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If you are tagged above, it's because you posted in either this thread already, or in last year's thread. And if you are not tagged, either because I couldn't find your name, or because you haven't posted, that's OK too. Anyways, Joe Bryant has given us permission to create 5 group submissions this year. These submissions will not be eligible for prizes, but should be a blast creating, using the collective brains of the board regulars.

If you would like to help out, reply to this post before the contest opens, which should be around 4 weeks from now. Once the contest opens, we can create a private conversation and get busy creating the 5 rosters. But we don't have to wait for the prices to come out to start discussions. I am going to see if I can create a conversation that will allow me to add people as they volunteer.

Questions?

 

[Scoresman]

@TheWinz @Scoresman @Grid71 @Contest Turk @Joe Bryant @-OZ- @Gally @joey @Dacomish @SeniorVBDStudent @(HULK) @ZWK @Titans_fan @scottybo @Hot Sauce Guy @QuizGuy66 @bryhamm @BassNBrew @apalmer @Gottabesweet @Puppies @Ignoratio Elenchi @KingPrawn @msudaisy26 @rzrback77 @Stray Doug @rustycolts @Mitchie @Galileo @ryheaps2 @kylechoffman @Abrantes @mzkp54 @champ24 @Berlin @UFFLCommish @themeistersinger @Johnny Rock @ninerfan @smbkrypt24 @Birdie048 @Rubi @bamabuddha @a_troll00 @IHEARTFF @TwinTurbo @stubby @opensourcebeer @Drunken Cowboy @FairWarning @Dez @Winning IS Everything @steelerfan1 @Ackme @fightingillini @Bill Dauterive @Mister CIA @dbc925 @Payne @lsutigers @Angry Beavers @SDJohnny @bro1ncos @Deamon @smcindoe @Skipdog77 @HairySasquatch @zed2283 @barackdhouse @Army Eye @Steeler @DA RAIDERS @themeanmachine @Hatch @Monty Burns @Instinctive @Shaunz33 @firstseason1988 @Tha Guru @billmatic @Balco @J Rod @mphtrilogy @Courtjester @PIK95 @Simon Shepherd @BlackCrowes @NE_REVIVAL @south of 60 @Ted Lange as your Bartender @nittanylion @nightmare @neal cassady @rockaction @brun @titusbramble @BroncosFan07 @Golden Gopher @steelcityman @dkp993 @Smack Tripper @Hurl Bruce @jabarony @Don Quixote @Desert_Power @chet @kajaet @jdoggydogg @Born to Run @Schmeabs @djjosee @Kuz @JIslander @brewer

If you are tagged above, it's because you posted in either this thread already, or in last year's thread. And if you are not tagged, either because I couldn't find your name, or because you haven't posted, that's OK too. Anyways, Joe Bryant has given us permission to create 5 group submissions this year. These submissions will not be eligible for prizes, but should be a blast creating, using the collective brains of the board regulars.

If you would like to help out, reply to this post before the contest opens, which should be around 4 weeks from now. Once the contest opens, we can create a private conversation and get busy creating the 5 rosters. But we don't have to wait for the prices to come out to start discussions. I am going to see if I can create a conversation that will allow me to add people as they volunteer.

Questions?

I’d be willing to help, not sure in what capacity. I spend way too much time in excel analyzing data for creating projections and optimized lineups for my leagues. Maybe something along those lines.

I’ve pretty much abandoned the solver idea for this, however, as the goal is too complex and nuanced for it to realistically handle.

Either way, I’d love to follow along the conversation at the very least.

 

[Dacomish]

@TheWinz @Scoresman @Grid71 @Contest Turk @Joe Bryant @-OZ- @Gally @joey @Dacomish @SeniorVBDStudent @(HULK) @ZWK @Titans_fan @scottybo @Hot Sauce Guy @QuizGuy66 @bryhamm @BassNBrew @apalmer @Gottabesweet @Puppies @Ignoratio Elenchi @KingPrawn @msudaisy26 @rzrback77 @Stray Doug @rustycolts @Mitchie @Galileo @ryheaps2 @kylechoffman @Abrantes @mzkp54 @champ24 @Berlin @UFFLCommish @themeistersinger @Johnny Rock @ninerfan @smbkrypt24 @Birdie048 @Rubi @bamabuddha @a_troll00 @IHEARTFF @TwinTurbo @stubby @opensourcebeer @Drunken Cowboy @FairWarning @Dez @Winning IS Everything @steelerfan1 @Ackme @fightingillini @Bill Dauterive @Mister CIA @dbc925 @Payne @lsutigers @Angry Beavers @SDJohnny @bro1ncos @Deamon @smcindoe @Skipdog77 @HairySasquatch @zed2283 @barackdhouse @Army Eye @Steeler @DA RAIDERS @themeanmachine @Hatch @Monty Burns @Instinctive @Shaunz33 @firstseason1988 @Tha Guru @billmatic @Balco @J Rod @mphtrilogy @Courtjester @PIK95 @Simon Shepherd @BlackCrowes @NE_REVIVAL @south of 60 @Ted Lange as your Bartender @nittanylion @nightmare @neal cassady @rockaction @brun @titusbramble @BroncosFan07 @Golden Gopher @steelcityman @dkp993 @Smack Tripper @Hurl Bruce @jabarony @Don Quixote @Desert_Power @chet @kajaet @jdoggydogg @Born to Run @Schmeabs @djjosee @Kuz @JIslander @brewer

If you are tagged above, it's because you posted in either this thread already, or in last year's thread. And if you are not tagged, either because I couldn't find your name, or because you haven't posted, that's OK too. Anyways, Joe Bryant has given us permission to create 5 group submissions this year. These submissions will not be eligible for prizes, but should be a blast creating, using the collective brains of the board regulars.

If you would like to help out, reply to this post before the contest opens, which should be around 4 weeks from now. Once the contest opens, we can create a private conversation and get busy creating the 5 rosters. But we don't have to wait for the prices to come out to start discussions. I am going to see if I can create a conversation that will allow me to add people as they volunteer.

Questions?

You know I'm already down to help out and can be your backup as you requested.

 

[Dacomish]

One thing we would need to nail down is what type of roster construction are we wanting to do. This is a great chance to test some theories:
Large roster 28+
Small roster 18-20
Mid roster 24-26
Studs/duds type roster
Ect..

 

[Birdie048]

@TheWinz @Scoresman @Grid71 @Contest Turk @Joe Bryant @-OZ- @Gally @joey @Dacomish @SeniorVBDStudent @(HULK) @ZWK @Titans_fan @scottybo @Hot Sauce Guy @QuizGuy66 @bryhamm @BassNBrew @apalmer @Gottabesweet @Puppies @Ignoratio Elenchi @KingPrawn @msudaisy26 @rzrback77 @Stray Doug @rustycolts @Mitchie @Galileo @ryheaps2 @kylechoffman @Abrantes @mzkp54 @champ24 @Berlin @UFFLCommish @themeistersinger @Johnny Rock @ninerfan @smbkrypt24 @Birdie048 @Rubi @bamabuddha @a_troll00 @IHEARTFF @TwinTurbo @stubby @opensourcebeer @Drunken Cowboy @FairWarning @Dez @Winning IS Everything @steelerfan1 @Ackme @fightingillini @Bill Dauterive @Mister CIA @dbc925 @Payne @lsutigers @Angry Beavers @SDJohnny @bro1ncos @Deamon @smcindoe @Skipdog77 @HairySasquatch @zed2283 @barackdhouse @Army Eye @Steeler @DA RAIDERS @themeanmachine @Hatch @Monty Burns @Instinctive @Shaunz33 @firstseason1988 @Tha Guru @billmatic @Balco @J Rod @mphtrilogy @Courtjester @PIK95 @Simon Shepherd @BlackCrowes @NE_REVIVAL @south of 60 @Ted Lange as your Bartender @nittanylion @nightmare @neal cassady @rockaction @brun @titusbramble @BroncosFan07 @Golden Gopher @steelcityman @dkp993 @Smack Tripper @Hurl Bruce @jabarony @Don Quixote @Desert_Power @chet @kajaet @jdoggydogg @Born to Run @Schmeabs @djjosee @Kuz @JIslander @brewer

If you are tagged above, it's because you posted in either this thread already, or in last year's thread. And if you are not tagged, either because I couldn't find your name, or because you haven't posted, that's OK too. Anyways, Joe Bryant has given us permission to create 5 group submissions this year. These submissions will not be eligible for prizes, but should be a blast creating, using the collective brains of the board regulars.

If you would like to help out, reply to this post before the contest opens, which should be around 4 weeks from now. Once the contest opens, we can create a private conversation and get busy creating the 5 rosters. But we don't have to wait for the prices to come out to start discussions. I am going to see if I can create a conversation that will allow me to add people as they volunteer.

Questions?

Love to be part of a team !!
Thanks for inclusion!

 

[TheWinz]

@Joe Bryant and @Contest Turk

Are you folks OK with us creating a separate thread just for subscriber contest strategy? @Dacomish and I will be the leads for this, and we have already determined specific player names will not be allowed. We are excited to get started, so let us know, thanx.

 

[Joe Bryant]

@Joe Bryant and @Contest Turk

Are you folks OK with us creating a separate thread just for subscriber contest strategy? @Dacomish and I will be the leads for this, and we have already determined specific player names will not be allowed. We are excited to get started, so let us know, thanx.

Sure

 

[TheWinz]

Turns out we don't need to create another thread after all.

Thanks to @Joe Bryant and @Contest Turk they have allowed the board regulars to collectively submit 5 different rosters. These 5 submissions will be treated exactly like staff member entries - they will not be eligible for prizes and will not count towards weekly cutoffs either. It's just another fun way the FBG staff is letting the diehards enjoy the contest. Here's how this will work:
- We will be creating 5 different submissions, with 6 board regulars in each team
- Each submission will have a lead person, who will create a private conversation to discuss specific players and form their submissions
- The 5 submissions will be:
- 1) Roster made up of 18 - 20 players (@TheWinz will be the lead for this team)
- 2) Roster made up of 21 - 23 players (@Dacomish will be the lead for this team)
- 3) Roster made up of 24 - 27 players (@Scoresman will be the lead for this team)
- 4) Roster made up of 28 - 30 players (@Gally will be the lead for this team)
- 5) Roster made up of most common players, based on what the assigned team decides (no size limit) (@Birdie048 will be the lead for this team)
- Team leads will send their final roster submission to @TheWinz no later than 24 hours before the contest closes, who will then compile and forward to Contest Turk
- If you want to help out, please pick one of the 5 rosters above, and the team lead will add you to the private conversation
- Private conversations have a max of 6 people, so you will be asked to join another team if the roster you want is full
- If we have less than 30 people who want to participate, we will allow people to participate in multiple teams
- The 5 team leads will create their private conversations as soon as the first person joins their team, and will invite the rest as they identify themselves
- You don't have to wait until the contest opens to discuss. Everyone probably already has a few players in mind!

So, who wants in?

 

[Scoresman]

Join Team Scoresman!

We get 24-27 players which is the sweet spot for most teams to make the final!

Help make the FBG Subscriber Contest great again!

 

[TheWinz]

Who wants a roster of 24-27 players, when you can go for broke with a small team of super-studs! TheWinz is looking for a few good men. I just need one person and I can start my private discussion. First one to join my squad gets to pick our team name.

 

[Dacomish]

I have 21-23 lead and first contributer to get in on helping to develop that roster gets naming rights...

 

[rzrback77]

I will volunteer to be a member of the 28-30 player roster team that @Gally is leading.

 

[Birdie048]

Ok. “Most Common Players” group is recruiting!
This is strictly a Popularity Contest and not a beauty contest so no Bikini necessary!!
We have no roster limit other than the same budget restrictions
WHO WANTS IN?

ETA: proposed name “No Bikini Necessary” open to group discussion

 

[Gally]

Team 28-30 taking applications. Come join the cheap squad. If you live on a budget we are for you. Gotta fit in a bunch of players so cheap and easy is our motto.

 

[TheWinz]

I see JohnnyU is in here. I wonder what team he wants to be a part of?

 

[Grid71]

Turns out we don't need to create another thread after all.

Thanks to @Joe Bryant and @Contest Turk they have allowed the board regulars to collectively submit 5 different rosters. These 5 submissions will be treated exactly like staff member entries - they will not be eligible for prizes and will not count towards weekly cutoffs either. It's just another fun way the FBG staff is letting the diehards enjoy the contest. Here's how this will work:
- We will be creating 5 different submissions, with 6 board regulars in each team
- Each submission will have a lead person, who will create a private conversation to discuss specific players and form their submissions
- The 5 submissions will be:
- 1) Roster made up of 18 - 20 players (@TheWinz will be the lead for this team)
- 2) Roster made up of 21 - 23 players (@Dacomish will be the lead for this team)
- 3) Roster made up of 24 - 27 players (@Scoresman will be the lead for this team)
- 4) Roster made up of 28 - 30 players (@Gally will be the lead for this team)
- 5) Roster made up of most common players, based on what the assigned team decides (no size limit) (@Birdie048 will be the lead for this team)
- Team leads will send their final roster submission to @TheWinz no later than 24 hours before the contest closes, who will then compile and forward to Contest Turk
- If you want to help out, please pick one of the 5 rosters above, and the team lead will add you to the private conversation
- Private conversations have a max of 6 people, so you will be asked to join another team if the roster you want is full
- If we have less than 30 people who want to participate, we will allow people to participate in multiple teams
- The 5 team leads will create their private conversations as soon as the first person joins their team, and will invite the rest as they identify themselves
- You don't have to wait until the contest opens to discuss. Everyone probably already has a few players in mind!

So, who wants in?

Bargain bin shopper for the win! Would like to focus on one of the two larger roster sizes if you want me.

 

[TheWinz]

Welcome to the 18-20 player roster, @Stray Doug
What are you going to name our team?

 

[Scoresman]

Incentive to join Team Scoresman.

I’m building a google sheet that has estimated prices (to be replaced by actual prices when released) and the ability to fill out and play with rosters, see bye weeks together, see how it scores (if I can find a weekly projection source). You can use it for your personal rosters too!

 

[TheWinz]

Welcome to Team TheWinz, @Stray Doug and @Puppies

 

[apalmer]

@TheWinz @Scoresman @Grid71 @Contest Turk @Joe Bryant @-OZ- @Gally @joey @Dacomish @SeniorVBDStudent @(HULK) @ZWK @Titans_fan @scottybo @Hot Sauce Guy @QuizGuy66 @bryhamm @BassNBrew @apalmer @Gottabesweet @Puppies @Ignoratio Elenchi @KingPrawn @msudaisy26 @rzrback77 @Stray Doug @rustycolts @Mitchie @Galileo @ryheaps2 @kylechoffman @Abrantes @mzkp54 @champ24 @Berlin @UFFLCommish @themeistersinger @Johnny Rock @ninerfan @smbkrypt24 @Birdie048 @Rubi @bamabuddha @a_troll00 @IHEARTFF @TwinTurbo @stubby @opensourcebeer @Drunken Cowboy @FairWarning @Dez @Winning IS Everything @steelerfan1 @Ackme @fightingillini @Bill Dauterive @Mister CIA @dbc925 @Payne @lsutigers @Angry Beavers @SDJohnny @bro1ncos @Deamon @smcindoe @Skipdog77 @HairySasquatch @zed2283 @barackdhouse @Army Eye @Steeler @DA RAIDERS @themeanmachine @Hatch @Monty Burns @Instinctive @Shaunz33 @firstseason1988 @Tha Guru @billmatic @Balco @J Rod @mphtrilogy @Courtjester @PIK95 @Simon Shepherd @BlackCrowes @NE_REVIVAL @south of 60 @Ted Lange as your Bartender @nittanylion @nightmare @neal cassady @rockaction @brun @titusbramble @BroncosFan07 @Golden Gopher @steelcityman @dkp993 @Smack Tripper @Hurl Bruce @jabarony @Don Quixote @Desert_Power @chet @kajaet @jdoggydogg @Born to Run @Schmeabs @djjosee @Kuz @JIslander @brewer

If you are tagged above, it's because you posted in either this thread already, or in last year's thread. And if you are not tagged, either because I couldn't find your name, or because you haven't posted, that's OK too. Anyways, Joe Bryant has given us permission to create 5 group submissions this year. These submissions will not be eligible for prizes, but should be a blast creating, using the collective brains of the board regulars.

If you would like to help out, reply to this post before the contest opens, which should be around 4 weeks from now. Once the contest opens, we can create a private conversation and get busy creating the 5 rosters. But we don't have to wait for the prices to come out to start discussions. I am going to see if I can create a conversation that will allow me to add people as they volunteer.

Questions?

Sure, count me in for whatever I can do.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

Turns out we don't need to create another thread after all.

Thanks to @Joe Bryant and @Contest Turk they have allowed the board regulars to collectively submit 5 different rosters. These 5 submissions will be treated exactly like staff member entries - they will not be eligible for prizes and will not count towards weekly cutoffs either. It's just another fun way the FBG staff is letting the diehards enjoy the contest. Here's how this will work:
- We will be creating 5 different submissions, with 6 board regulars in each team
- Each submission will have a lead person, who will create a private conversation to discuss specific players and form their submissions
- The 5 submissions will be:
- 1) Roster made up of 18 - 20 players (@TheWinz will be the lead for this team)
- 2) Roster made up of 21 - 23 players (@Dacomish will be the lead for this team)
- 3) Roster made up of 24 - 27 players (@Scoresman will be the lead for this team)
- 4) Roster made up of 28 - 30 players (@Gally will be the lead for this team)
- 5) Roster made up of most common players, based on what the assigned team decides (no size limit) (@Birdie048 will be the lead for this team)
- Team leads will send their final roster submission to @TheWinz no later than 24 hours before the contest closes, who will then compile and forward to Contest Turk
- If you want to help out, please pick one of the 5 rosters above, and the team lead will add you to the private conversation
- Private conversations have a max of 6 people, so you will be asked to join another team if the roster you want is full
- If we have less than 30 people who want to participate, we will allow people to participate in multiple teams
- The 5 team leads will create their private conversations as soon as the first person joins their team, and will invite the rest as they identify themselves
- You don't have to wait until the contest opens to discuss. Everyone probably already has a few players in mind!

So, who wants in?

I've been away / busy / etc. I'm in team TheWinz. Believe it or not, I'm not a big fan of this as it will concentrate knowledge and therefore raise the performance bar, but you can't fight city hall so I'll be a sheep and join in.

 

[TheWinz]

I've been away / busy / etc. I'm in team TheWinz. Believe it or not, I'm not a big fan of this as it will concentrate knowledge and therefore raise the performance bar, but you can't fight city hall so I'll be a sheep and join in.

It will only concentrate the knowledge of the 30 folks who are participating, and we all have promised not to submit a roster too similar to the one we are working on. That's one reason I chose to head up the 18-20 player roster. Because I plan on submitting a bigger roster, so I am sure to have a totally different submission than the one I work on. Anyways, which roster do you want to be a part of?
18-20
21-23
24-27
28-30
Common roster

Take your pick