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2024 Free Agency Discussion (1 Viewer)
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@markrc99
Just going to say with the cap going up to $255m I will no longer die on the hill that Goff won’t get what Lamar, Hurts, Burrow or Herbert got last off-season.
I’ll still say he won’t get the same percentage of cap money as them, but he can now come 3% less on the cap and be on their scale and I think that’s possible.
Just going to say with the cap going up to $255m I will no longer die on the hill that Goff won’t get what Lamar, Hurts, Burrow or Herbert got last off-season.
I’ll still say he won’t get the same percentage of cap money as them, but he can now come 3% less on the cap and be on their scale and I think that’s possible.
massraider
Footballguy
Xavien Howard released by the Dolphins.
Easy call for Miami. He's not a very good player anymore. Probably a #3 CB at this stage.
massraider
Footballguy
He will be a 15.7 mill dead cap hit--on NEXT year's cap.
That's not great. That's a really good starting guard.
I'm seeing a 7.4 mill dead cap hit, but either way, it would have cost a lot more to keep him, and he's very replaceable.
They need to keep Wilkins, Hunt, and Williams, and I think they'll find a way to do it.
I'm expecting Jerome Baker to be the next domino to fall for Miami.
massraider
Footballguy
7.4 this year
15.7 in 2025
markrc99
Footballguy
I noticed that Boomer Esiason recently weighed in, projecting Goff to join the $50M per club. I initially thought it was a bad move, that they'd cleared the necessary cap space to lock him down. That along with Holmes saying they weren't going to be aggressive in FA & Ben Johnson leaving. But with Johnson returning & if Goff's deal is an extension, I consider them the favorite to win the SB.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Dead cap isn't the relevant figure to teams deciding whether or not to keep a player like Howard. Dead cap is spilled milk. The milk still in the bottle that they use to gauge such a player's ongoing relative value to the team is *cap savings.*
zamboni
Footballguy
As many astute analysts have pointed out, the dead cap is just an accounting construct. What GMs/owners really care about his actual money paid out. Within limits of course, any GM worth his salt can be creative to pay players that they truly want to pay and jettison those that they don't want to pay.
Great career with Miami. 29 Interceptions, 4 defensive TDs. One of the few trade-ups (4 slots in round 2) that has worked out for Grier. He was more of a ball-hawk than a shut-down corner. In the video below of all his INTs, he was fast early in his career. His savvy should help a team.
massraider
Footballguy
For sure. The Sunk Cost fallacy.
It's interesting with Miami to me, because they have very real cap issues. Tough decisions down the road
Da Franchise
Footballguy
So, Shefter says no tags to be used on RBs. Henry, Barkley, Jacobs, Pollard, Ekeler all will UFAs. Wild stuff.
zamboni
Footballguy
Not surprised if that’s true given that none of the 2023 tags of Barkley/Jacobs/Pollard worked out as hoped. Seems like teams don’t want to pay $12 million a year for an RB, and it’s hard to blame them.
Da Franchise
Footballguy
I’m not even really arguing against it but it’s just wild that in a league with a $255M cap, teams are balking at spending 5.5% of it on some of the top RBs in the league. I definitely get it, was one of the early ones advocating for going cheap at RB. And especially in a tag situation where it all hits at once. Still wild to see.
Like I’m a Washington fan and we have a ton of space and could go get Barkley on a 3 year deal no problem and steal him from a rival to boot. Part of me wants to do that. Would help whatever QB we draft and could even lighten his load to keep him fresh with Robinson.
zamboni
Footballguy
I hear you - just the way the position has evolved. Spending 5.5% of the cap doesn’t sound like a lot, but so many teams have successfully filled the RB position with cheap labor that they would rather use that excess capital on a premium position.
Why is that?
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Stashes from teams receiving some of these free agents.
Seems like a zero sum game to me.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
zero to some
Raiders have said they plan to try their best to resign Jacobs. And Saquon has stated he wants to be a Giant. But money talks.
zamboni
Footballguy
Agreed - all it probably takes is another team to offer slightly more than their incumbents. After last season's franchising issues, I don't see either guy offering their teams a hometown discount.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
That's just it, will there be enough money to talk?
Boston
Footballguy
Especially if that team is a legit contender...$ and a chance for a title is a nice combo.
massraider
Footballguy
Shaq Barrett released.
zamboni
Footballguy
Not all contenders, but the Texans, Ravens, Chargers, Cowboys, Eagles and Giants may have wide open spots if they don't sign their incumbents, plus perhaps teams like the Vikings if they want an upgrade. That's a lot of demand when you factor in a weakish RB rookie class. Just a matter of the price tag.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
I can’t imagine an NFL player who cares at all about winning…..signing with the Giants. Dude should just move on to a real franchise.
100% agree.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Yeah and then your team will end up throwing the ball 50 times and running it 10. Money well spent.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
I wouldn't want to play on that turf.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
I wouldn’t want to play for a franchise dumb enough to draft a RB with the #2 overall pick
Higgins and Pittman never reaching UFA was the most anti-climatic thing of FA.
My guess right now, no lock or anything, is that Marquise Brown of all people is going to land the best contract of any WR that switches teams. Mike Williams might get cut coming off an ACL and get the second most.
Hopefully FA will bring us some fun RB movement and some juicy trades, not expecting much in the WR market.
My guess right now, no lock or anything, is that Marquise Brown of all people is going to land the best contract of any WR that switches teams. Mike Williams might get cut coming off an ACL and get the second most.
Hopefully FA will bring us some fun RB movement and some juicy trades, not expecting much in the WR market.
-OZ-
Footballguy
I don’t really blame him if he just takes the most money.
But I’m scared of him in Houston.
zamboni
Footballguy
I think Gabe Davis could get as much, if not more. The NFL community seems to like his skill set more than the fantasy community does.
Seeing most legit FA ranking spots putting Brown in the 20'sh range and Gabe way down the list and that makes total sense to me for Brown because he's already had two teams spend first round picks on him. The NFL covets speed and seems to really like his skill set, would be surprised if does not beat Gabe.
zamboni
Footballguy
Could be - Brown may be this year’s big overpay at the position and maybe Davis the bargain when all is said and done.
zamboni
Footballguy
From a skill position standpoint, it’s really only RBs that have a lot of significance. WRs are also largely drained outside of a few second tier guys, with Higgins and Evans locked up. And QB is mainly about Cousins, with Baker and Russell of lesser fantasy interest.
Yep, said about that same thing in one of the first posts in this thread. Rb's are 90% of the FA fantasy related intrigue.
zamboni
Footballguy
Which is fine because RBs matter so much and are getting harder and harder to find.
Ravens giving Madibuike a huge extension was a surprise, and a pretty big risk in my opinion, as he was a bit of a 1-year wonder, and now has a new DC.
Fantasy wise, I think that deal, and the retention of Stanley/Moses, makes it unlikely the Ravens are breaking the bank for a RB. More likely they either draft a guy, or sign a cheaper FA as opposed to someone like Henry or Jacobs. Maybe Ekeler comes cheap after last year? But more likely someone in the Moss/Dillon range. Probably not bad news for Keaton Mitchell owners.
Fantasy wise, I think that deal, and the retention of Stanley/Moses, makes it unlikely the Ravens are breaking the bank for a RB. More likely they either draft a guy, or sign a cheaper FA as opposed to someone like Henry or Jacobs. Maybe Ekeler comes cheap after last year? But more likely someone in the Moss/Dillon range. Probably not bad news for Keaton Mitchell owners.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
It doesn't surprise me as I think Madibuike is a great player from my recollection looking at him as a rookie prospect. Another player I wanted the Vikings to take but didn't.
So I don't see him as a 1 year wonder so much as him being a player where things finally lined up well for him.
It's not that easy for a DT to put up numbers. Plenty of them who have very good seasons don't have numbers to along with that.
I also liked him as a prospect and had him as a mid 2nd instead of a mid 3rd back in 2020, but I always worry about guys who don't really breakout until their contract years, and the Ravens and Steelers especially tend to have a history of those guys, who they then often let walk, and they bust for other teams. When a guy with 8.5 career sacks suddenly puts up 13 his contract year, I get real nervous about paying that guy.
My concern is the Ravens might have just paid for a career season. A career season that I also think was a little overrated, as I also think Madibuike was/is somewhat one dimensional.
Either way, its gonna make it tough for a RB/WR signing now.
