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2024 Summer of Soccer - Euro's, Copa America, Olympics, WCQing (1 Viewer)
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NewlyRetired
Footballguy
No bueno
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Doug McIntyre
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“After a medical evaluation, it has been determined that Leo Messi has suffered a ligament injury in his right ankle.”
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“After a medical evaluation, it has been determined that Leo Messi has suffered a ligament injury in his right ankle.”
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
A sprained ankle is a ligament injury, so hopefully just a fancy way of saying that.
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Perfect for England matches.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Great point. He's just really impressed me how he has turned a poor defensive squad into such an organized unit without sacrificing the ability to get forward (and Charlotte letting a lot of attacking talent go). England needs a coach that get these offensive stars, along with their egos, to play together effectively. Already very stout at the back.
So not likely but he is English, so I have a little worry.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
Yes but there is a large difference between a stretched ligament, a partial tear and a full tear.
I tore ligaments in my right ankle and could not play for a long time when I was young.
Hopefully Messi's was just a stretch and can be back in a week or 2.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Apparently, when Gareth passed his resignation to the FA, they passed it back, he then passed it sideways to Bellingham, who fed Kane, who then passed it to the keeper.
(Stolen from twitter)
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
The USWNT set up what was suppose to be a cake walk feel good last friendly before the Olympics stateside, playing a team they had outscored 90-2 (no joke) in their last 17 games playing against.
They ended up drawing 0-0 in DC against Costa Rica.
The field looked like a train wreck. I have no idea what happened. Does anyone know if they held a concert or something on it? The center spot was a literal joke, it looked like they laid a driving range mat on it...
They ended up drawing 0-0 in DC against Costa Rica.
The field looked like a train wreck. I have no idea what happened. Does anyone know if they held a concert or something on it? The center spot was a literal joke, it looked like they laid a driving range mat on it...
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
oh...
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Jackie Barrientes - barrientes.bsky.social
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For those asking why the pitch at #Audi Field looks like crap, it got torn up on Friday night during a rugby game. It was worse over the weekend.
El Floppo
Footballguy
This was no contact, right? Was that grass over turf? Anybody made the connection to his injury?
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
natural grass in Miami, not over turf.
I think he was kind of bumped, lost his balance and the ankle went
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
He rolled his ankle earlier in the match which makes it much weaker and easier to injure worse.
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
Basically you can't be offside unless you can see space between defender and attacker. This picture should help
The Gator
Footballguy
ohhhh At first glance I really like this.
titusbramble
Footballguy
Solves zero of the problems people have with offside, but whatever
The Gator
Footballguy
Didn't say it would fix VAR, but that will absolutely lead to more goals.
titusbramble
Footballguy
I do recall switching to German TV for one Super Bowl in the late 90s as the UK feed insisted on using their own comms and not whichever US station had it that year
titusbramble
Footballguy
If it wasn't for VAR we wouldn't be having this discussion in the first place
The Gator
Footballguy
Outside of VAR, do you think this will benefit the offense?
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Not sure I understand your perspective here. Can you explain?
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
The average running stride for an adult male is just shy of eight feet. I assume it's actually more than that for many elite athletes, especially tall athletes.
Giving the offensive players an EIGHT FOOT gain vs the defenders relative to what they have today will completely eliminate the offside trap. No defender will ever try to play someone off if the offensive player can be eight feet ahead of them and still on.
Maybe people are down with that, but it's far too radical for me. HATE HATE HATE this idea.
Giving the offensive players an EIGHT FOOT gain vs the defenders relative to what they have today will completely eliminate the offside trap. No defender will ever try to play someone off if the offensive player can be eight feet ahead of them and still on.
Maybe people are down with that, but it's far too radical for me. HATE HATE HATE this idea.
The Gator
Footballguy
Loads of hyperbole in here. You probably liked the no forward pass in the nfl rule too
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Instead of my front foot having to be even with your back foot, my back foot can now be even with your back foot. It can be a full stride of difference (aka 8 feet).
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
I really think people aren't getting how big a change this would be.
The Gator
Footballguy
Correct, within touching distance. There is still no gap between the players allowed. The 8’ “separation“ is the exaggeration here imo.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Relative to the current rule. Imagine an attacking player at full stride, now place a defender so that the attacker is just barely onside under each rule. You'll move him eight feet.
ETA: OK. Nope. A big part of that stride is in the air -- the feet aren't ever actually eight feet apart. Four feet? Five? Still a big difference, but not what I was saying there.
El Floppo
Footballguy
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Gap between your steps when running. You cover about eight feet between steps. But where I was thinking about it wrong is that your feet aren't actually eight feet apart at any point.
The Gator
Footballguy
Maybe Bolt sprinting covers that, but how many soccer runs are made at a dead sprint and not trying to curl it at an angle to be onside? No matter if your stride is 12’, you’ll still have to be in touching distance.
I think the angled run in behind will be awesome with this rule.
I think the angled run in behind will be awesome with this rule.
B Maverick
Footballguy
Instead of VAR looking to see if your front toe or fro is offside, they will be looking to see if your back heal or fro is onside. Still talking about a matter of inches.
The only change they should make to VAR in regard to offside is adding the "Clear and Obvious" standard. If the AR can't see you as off, then you are even and onside. There is no advantage to be gained by your toe or knee or nose being offside. That should be even and onside.
By moving it to your heal being behind a defender that is a big advantage gained and against the spirit of the law.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
I disagree with the bolded part. There's no reason to add subjectivity that will vary from person to person to something that can be defined objectively. Subjectivity just makes the controversy 100x more likely because everyone has a different opinion of what "clear and obvious" means and there's no way to apply it consistently from game to game or even whistle to whistle.
In football or basketball if someone steps out of bounds by an inch if we can see it via replay the call is changed and we don't whine about how "it was only an inch, they didn't really gain an advantage there". The only difference with offsides is that it's a moving line. But if we have technology to tell us where that line is at any given millisecond, then there is no reason to treat it differently than the out of bounds/endzone line in football or basketball.
I agree with you that people are still going to complain about an inch offsides in the daylight way as they did in the old way. But the reality is they need to get over it. An inch out of bounds is the same as 100 yards out of bounds. The same for offsides. People just need to get used to it.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
I could care less about VAR because we are stuck with it. No rule change or lack of rule change is going to ever address the fact that VAR is going to make calls based on inches (or smaller). This is the technology we have and it is not likely to go away.
However, I am all for any sort of rule change that helps create scoring chances. In a sport that has HEAVILY favored defenses for over a 100 years, there is no reason why we can't see some tiny adjustment(s) to help the offense.
I believe the Wegner rule will, slightly, help create more goal scoring chances. If it was going to be anything more than slight, it would likely have been dumped after the first trials and would never have gotten to the point of a vote. The idea that it may be coming to a vote means that the trials have neither been a complete failure (no change in scoring chances), nor have the trials turned the sport into lacrosse. IMO it probably still won't pass because the keepers of the sports rules are very hesitant to make any real changes.
However, I am all for any sort of rule change that helps create scoring chances. In a sport that has HEAVILY favored defenses for over a 100 years, there is no reason why we can't see some tiny adjustment(s) to help the offense.
I believe the Wegner rule will, slightly, help create more goal scoring chances. If it was going to be anything more than slight, it would likely have been dumped after the first trials and would never have gotten to the point of a vote. The idea that it may be coming to a vote means that the trials have neither been a complete failure (no change in scoring chances), nor have the trials turned the sport into lacrosse. IMO it probably still won't pass because the keepers of the sports rules are very hesitant to make any real changes.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
it is not just a through ball that this will help on. Defenders will very likely to adjust to that but once they do, it is going to create pockets of extra space in front of the block that attackers will be able to turn and dribble with.
Note that the Wegner rule does really very little to combat teams who park this bus. But it will have a very pleasant effect on attacking soccer when both teams wish to play.
BeTheMatch
Footballguy
I watched the whole game. I can't believe they didn't score 15 goals. The fact they got zero is unimaginable.
Rodman looks like the best player in the world. Not that I have anything to compare her to.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
For people wondering, we are now 3 years deep on the trials, but I don't know if any findings have been communicated. I believe trials have been done at lower levels and youth level in Italy, Sweden and the Netherlands. It does sound though like IFAB have enough information to make an informed judgement.
I strongly agree with everyone who says this rule change will have zero effect on close calls being needed by VAR. I am not sure there is any change to the offside rule that VAR won't be intimately involved with.
I strongly agree with everyone who says this rule change will have zero effect on close calls being needed by VAR. I am not sure there is any change to the offside rule that VAR won't be intimately involved with.
The Gator
Footballguy
Cross post, but this is not true for my golf game
bagger
Footballguy
It feels like we are no longer talking about soccer and I am feeling fairly inferior here.
TennesseeJed
Footballguy
If you can see it - you can play it...Cross post, but this is not true for my golf game
Desert_Power
Footballguy
I'm in your camp and I think it will make parking the bus much more common.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
knowing how the soccer lords seem to hate attacking soccer, if what you say ist true (which I think it could be), they will probably vote yes for it because there is nothing more scintillating than watching a double low block trying to be broken down 75 times in one game.
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titusbramble
Footballguy
If it makes any changes to *the game*, then either it won't or it will make it slightly worse
B Maverick
Footballguy
I get what you are saying but disagree with the analogy to football or basketball. It is clear he stepped on or over the line. Its a set boundary with actual visual representation for everyone to see. It is clear and obvious. Plus you actually have to touch out of bounds to be "out of bounds".
Offside is an imaginary line drawn across the field at the perceived time the ball is moved forward. The AR has to look and determine if at the time the ball is played, is one player ahead of another. In real time they are not able to determine if one toe is ahead of another, if his head lean pushes his nose in front of the other player's head/shoulder/knees/toes (you all sang that didn't you). On Replay you are creating a freeze frame and drawing artificial lines to see if we can determine if one part of A is ahead of any part of B. They are making it to fine a point. And ignoring the spirit of the Law. I am saying don't draw the lines and just look at it. If he is not clearly off, then its onside.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
But this is how it used to be and it sucked.
There was SO much more controversy. Take the controversy around the "he was only an inch offsides" decision people were talking about from the Euros and multiply it by 10 and that's how every major tournament was. It was just "player x got called offsides, but player y didn't and he was more offsides!". Just nothing but arguing about offsides calls for weeks.
A single ref can't even consistently decide what is "clearly" off from one call to another in the same game, much less different refs across different games. So then you have a scenario where any reasonably close offsides call is just a coin flip based on how the ref is arbitrarily feeling about a completely subjective thing, and then it inevitably gets compared to all the other coin flips where the ref decided to flip the coin the other way.
Anything in sports that can be changed from a subjective "how am I feeling about this today" whim to an empirical and binary result should, imo. I'll die on that hill. Same thing for balls/strikes in baseball. Just terrible.
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