2024 Summer of Soccer - Euro's, Copa America, Olympics, WCQing (2 Viewers)

[NewlyRetired]

crap game tonight between Peru and Chile. Absolutely no flow as there was non stop fouling.

At least the field in Dallas looked good which is where the US will play on Sunday.

 

[The Gator]

Maignan never gets to that ball whether or not Dumfries is standing there. I don't think he's even gotten back on his feet from the first save before it hits the net behind him.

Agree 10000%

Still offside.

Hate that play, because as you said it’s a goal and was never going to be saved. I thought the call was correct though. Can not have players offside standing next the keeper who needs to make a save.

If that shot was top left corner, I’d be way more on the side of “that’s a goal”.

 

[NewlyRetired]

from Tannenwald

Tomorrow is the American Soccer Summer Solstice.

It’s the only day with Euro24 kickoff at 9 a.m., 12 p.m., and 3 p.m. ET and #Copa América kickoffs at 6 p.m. and 9 p.m.

Plus 14 MLS games, 2 NPSL games, 9 USL Championship games, 3 USL League One games, and so on

 

[TennesseeJed]

I’d be way more on the side of “that’s a goal”.

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[CletiusMaximus]

Just by an eye-test estimate it looks like Arrowhead is roughly half sold a week before US v Uruguay. https://www.ticketmaster.com/copa-a...ty-missouri-07-01-2024/event/0600604291C97B21

Over the past several years, including a show I went to Thursday night, it seems Ticketmaster's strategy is to target the die-hard fans with means - selling fewer tickets at much higher prices rather than generating the same revenue by selling more tickets at lower prices. Good seats in the lower bowl are likely over $400 each after fees. I wouldn't go to this game if I lived in Kansas City much less travel in and stay overnight.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Maignan never gets to that ball whether or not Dumfries is standing there. I don't think he's even gotten back on his feet from the first save before it hits the net behind him.

Agree 10000%

Still offside.

Hate that play, because as you said it’s a goal and was never going to be saved. I thought the call was correct though. Can not have players offside standing next the keeper who needs to make a save.

If that shot was top left corner, I’d be way more on the side of “that’s a goal”.

Exactly right imo. There's no contact, but the player is obviously interfering by standing directly in front of the goal in an offside position. Your example of a top left corner goal illustrates the contradiction - in either case the offside player is influencing the GK, but in that instance they probably rule it a goal.

 

[massraider]

Just by an eye-test estimate it looks like Arrowhead is roughly half sold a week before US v Uruguay. https://www.ticketmaster.com/copa-a...ty-missouri-07-01-2024/event/0600604291C97B21

Over the past several years, including a show I went to Thursday night, it seems Ticketmaster's strategy is to target the die-hard fans with means - selling fewer tickets at much higher prices rather than generating the same revenue by selling more tickets at lower prices. Good seats in the lower bowl are likely over $400 each after fees. I wouldn't go to this game if I lived in Kansas City much less travel in and stay overnight.

This has to be on the organizers of the tournament, right? They control their base ticket price?

At any rate, I am pretty surprised that the USMNT games haven't sold out.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Just by an eye-test estimate it looks like Arrowhead is roughly half sold a week before US v Uruguay. https://www.ticketmaster.com/copa-a...ty-missouri-07-01-2024/event/0600604291C97B21

Over the past several years, including a show I went to Thursday night, it seems Ticketmaster's strategy is to target the die-hard fans with means - selling fewer tickets at much higher prices rather than generating the same revenue by selling more tickets at lower prices. Good seats in the lower bowl are likely over $400 each after fees. I wouldn't go to this game if I lived in Kansas City much less travel in and stay overnight.

This has to be on the organizers of the tournament, right? They control their base ticket price?

At any rate, I am pretty surprised that the USMNT games haven't sold out.

I don't know myself, but the twitter commentary, for whatever that's worth, seems to indicate that Ticketmaster has control over pricing due to its exclusive relationship with the venue.

 

[NewlyRetired]

Just by an eye-test estimate it looks like Arrowhead is roughly half sold a week before US v Uruguay. https://www.ticketmaster.com/copa-a...ty-missouri-07-01-2024/event/0600604291C97B21

Over the past several years, including a show I went to Thursday night, it seems Ticketmaster's strategy is to target the die-hard fans with means - selling fewer tickets at much higher prices rather than generating the same revenue by selling more tickets at lower prices. Good seats in the lower bowl are likely over $400 each after fees. I wouldn't go to this game if I lived in Kansas City much less travel in and stay overnight.

This has to be on the organizers of the tournament, right? They control their base ticket price?

At any rate, I am pretty surprised that the USMNT games haven't sold out.

CONMEBOL in association with CONCACAF controlled the choice of the stadiums and the ticket prices.

The USMNT has real problems with crowds when they are not playing in a MLS sized stadium or when the opponent is not a big name.

The USMNT simply is not very popular, at least not enough to justify the 70k stadiums at enormous ticket prices.

Springing a huge surprise and winning Copa in a final against Argentina would go a long way to start to change that but we know how unlikely that is.

 

[NewlyRetired]

Just by an eye-test estimate it looks like Arrowhead is roughly half sold a week before US v Uruguay. https://www.ticketmaster.com/copa-a...ty-missouri-07-01-2024/event/0600604291C97B21

Over the past several years, including a show I went to Thursday night, it seems Ticketmaster's strategy is to target the die-hard fans with means - selling fewer tickets at much higher prices rather than generating the same revenue by selling more tickets at lower prices. Good seats in the lower bowl are likely over $400 each after fees. I wouldn't go to this game if I lived in Kansas City much less travel in and stay overnight.

This has to be on the organizers of the tournament, right? They control their base ticket price?

At any rate, I am pretty surprised that the USMNT games haven't sold out.

I don't know myself, but the twitter commentary, for whatever that's worth, seems to indicate that Ticketmaster has control over pricing due to its exclusive relationship with the venue.

Ticketmaster has control over the fees (which I believe are $80 in this game for some seats for this game). They do not control the base ticket price from my understanding, that is done by the organizers of said event (NFL, concert, or in this case CONMEBOL).

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Just by an eye-test estimate it looks like Arrowhead is roughly half sold a week before US v Uruguay. https://www.ticketmaster.com/copa-a...ty-missouri-07-01-2024/event/0600604291C97B21

Over the past several years, including a show I went to Thursday night, it seems Ticketmaster's strategy is to target the die-hard fans with means - selling fewer tickets at much higher prices rather than generating the same revenue by selling more tickets at lower prices. Good seats in the lower bowl are likely over $400 each after fees. I wouldn't go to this game if I lived in Kansas City much less travel in and stay overnight.

This has to be on the organizers of the tournament, right? They control their base ticket price?

At any rate, I am pretty surprised that the USMNT games haven't sold out.

CONMEBOL in association with CONCACAF controlled the choice of the stadiums and the ticket prices.

The USMNT has real problems with crowds when they are not playing in a MLS sized stadium or when the opponent is not a big name.

The USMNT simply is not very popular, at least not enough to justify the 70k stadiums at enormous ticket prices.

Springing a huge surprise and winning Copa in a final against Argentina would go a long way to start to change that but we know how unlikely that is.

Maybe they should only put a huge draw like Mexico, Colombia or Brazil in those big NFL stadiums.

 

[NewlyRetired]

I am hopeful that the US group stage games can draw at least 2/3rds full on average but that may be too hopeful. I heard that the Bolivia game was selling well in Texas but as mentioned before, I don't know how much of that is scalpers or not.

The first two Copa games did draw well for in stadium attendance. Argie-Canada was packed in Atlanta (over 70k) and the Peru-Chili game in Dallas looked good on tv with 43k in attendance which was a pretty good number given the match up.

 

[NewlyRetired]

Just by an eye-test estimate it looks like Arrowhead is roughly half sold a week before US v Uruguay. https://www.ticketmaster.com/copa-a...ty-missouri-07-01-2024/event/0600604291C97B21

Over the past several years, including a show I went to Thursday night, it seems Ticketmaster's strategy is to target the die-hard fans with means - selling fewer tickets at much higher prices rather than generating the same revenue by selling more tickets at lower prices. Good seats in the lower bowl are likely over $400 each after fees. I wouldn't go to this game if I lived in Kansas City much less travel in and stay overnight.

This has to be on the organizers of the tournament, right? They control their base ticket price?

At any rate, I am pretty surprised that the USMNT games haven't sold out.

CONMEBOL in association with CONCACAF controlled the choice of the stadiums and the ticket prices.

The USMNT has real problems with crowds when they are not playing in a MLS sized stadium or when the opponent is not a big name.

The USMNT simply is not very popular, at least not enough to justify the 70k stadiums at enormous ticket prices.

Springing a huge surprise and winning Copa in a final against Argentina would go a long way to start to change that but we know how unlikely that is.

Maybe they should only put a huge draw like Mexico, Colombia or Brazil in those big NFL stadiums.

Some of the stadiums like Dallas spent a TON of money getting the field in place, so I think they probably required more than 1 or 2 games to make the numbers work.

Dallas did draw 43k for a pretty meh match up of Peru vs Chile last night which was not considered a strong draw so that is not in any way terrible.

 

[NewlyRetired]

oh my, the ending of the game this morning!! I am just catching up on the highlights

Dubz

dubz.co

 

[NewlyRetired]

Ronaldo

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GQsJXH2XcAAnqzQ?format=jpg&name=large

 

[massraider]

That's the 2nd time Fox cut away and missed the live goal. First one was Portugal or Spain, I cannot remember.

Cut away to show Cancelo's reaction, and missed the own goal. Terrible TV production, really bad.

 

[TennesseeJed]

That's the 2nd time Fox cut away and missed the live goal. First one was Portugal or Spain, I cannot remember.

Cut away to show Cancelo's reaction, and missed the own goal. Terrible TV production, really bad.

I am not watching - but did Fox cut away, or was that just the international feed?

I don't think Fox has complete control over what they show - though they might have some ability to override the international feed.

 

[TennesseeJed]

Ronaldo

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GQsJXH2XcAAnqzQ?format=jpg&name=large

Unlike most players, he seems like he has gained quite a few steps as he ages.

 

[TennesseeJed]

I don't need many more reasons to really dislike FoxSports soccer coverage, but not being able pause or rewind the stream in a browser is a little annoying. I have not tried in the App, so maybe it works there - but, it should be able to work in the browser also.

They do have replays to rewatch games - but its not easy to find them.

 

[NewlyRetired]

That's the 2nd time Fox cut away and missed the live goal. First one was Portugal or Spain, I cannot remember.

Cut away to show Cancelo's reaction, and missed the own goal. Terrible TV production, really bad.

Fox does not control the video feed. They only control the announcers for American tv. The international feed is done by UEFA.

With these huge tournaments watched all over the world, there is only one video feed.

 

[NewlyRetired]

I know there is a an aspect of luck in own goals, but this is uncanny so far. Another awful one today

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Euros > World Cup

Lets ask a Euro legend

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GQDHjQwXEAAtYxS?format=jpg&name=large

I have no love for the 48 team World Cup though. 32 was near perfection for me (and for billions of others)

Did that quote get cut off prematurely? It looks like it got cut off before he mentioned the USA.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

I don't need many more reasons to really dislike FoxSports soccer coverage, but not being able pause or rewind the stream in a browser is a little annoying. I have not tried in the App, so maybe it works there - but, it should be able to work in the browser also.

They do have replays to rewatch games - but its not easy to find them.

Watching on Fox via Hulu in a browser at my office and can pause, rewind, etc.

 

[TennesseeJed]

I don't need many more reasons to really dislike FoxSports soccer coverage, but not being able pause or rewind the stream in a browser is a little annoying. I have not tried in the App, so maybe it works there - but, it should be able to work in the browser also.

They do have replays to rewatch games - but its not easy to find them.

Watching on Fox via Hulu in a browser at my office and can pause, rewind, etc.

Good to know - I am on FoxSports, and maybe just need to switch! Thanks!

 

[massraider]

I don't need many more reasons to really dislike FoxSports soccer coverage, but not being able pause or rewind the stream in a browser is a little annoying. I have not tried in the App, so maybe it works there - but, it should be able to work in the browser also.

I have YouTube TV, and am able to pause or rewind.

 

[TennesseeJed]

Maybe I don't have the right Hulu - I don't have access.

ETA - I just have access to FoxSports1 via a cable account.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Cristiano - so unselfish

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Euros > World Cup

I think the 3rd place stuff is pretty lame these days, but the level of play in the Euros just is so consistently high. A lot of WC groups end up feeling like snoozers.

These Euro groups have all felt kind of like snoozers this year. Good individual games, but the group consequences themselves pretty boring.

Not really any major upsets save an overrated Belgium team that has a history of underperforming. Whereas in 2022 world cup we had Japan beating Spain, South Korea beating Portugal, Saudi Arabia beating Argentina.

It looks likely that pretty much all of the top teams are going to easily advance out of the group stage in the Euros (maybe I'm getting ahead of myself here), save maybe that same overrated Belgium team that everyone expects to underperform. In the world cup Germany, Uruguay, and that same Belgium team all missed the knockouts.

 

[TennesseeJed]

Maybe I don't have the right Hulu - I don't have access.

ETA - I just have access to FoxSports1 via a cable account.

Yeah - I don't have Hulu+ Live

Get Hulu (No Ads) + Live TV, Disney+ (No Ads), and ESPN+ (With Ads) for $89.99/month.

I get Hulu, Disney+ and ESPN+ for free via Verizon, but I am not paying $90/mo for the live. I'll learn to live with the lack of a rewind on the main FoxSports browser.

 

[NewlyRetired]

Oh now I understand. I am still trying to get my brain to say Czechia

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@derek Rae
If you’re watching Türkiye-Portugal today, please don’t get angry at commentators or presenters for the way we pronounce „Türkiye.“ They no longer wish to be referred to as "Turkey“ & I’m sure you’ll agree, it’s not up to non-Turks to impose a name on a country that’s unwanted

 

[TennesseeJed]

Euros > World Cup

I think the 3rd place stuff is pretty lame these days, but the level of play in the Euros just is so consistently high. A lot of WC groups end up feeling like snoozers.

These Euro groups have all felt kind of like snoozers this year. Good individual games, but the group consequences themselves pretty boring.

Not really any major upsets save an overrated Belgium team that has a history of underperforming. Whereas in 2022 world cup we had Japan beating Spain, South Korea beating Portugal, Saudi Arabia beating Argentina.

It looks likely that pretty much all of the top teams are going to easily advance out of the group stage in the Euros (maybe I'm getting ahead of myself here), save maybe that same overrated Belgium team that everyone expects to underperform. In the world cup Germany, Uruguay, and that same Belgium team all missed the knockouts.

For me, part of the allure of the Euros is also the atmosphere in and out of the stadiums - given the relative close proximity of all the teams, it always feels like a relatively equal distribution of fans, and festivities that come with that level of support.

World Cup (and Copa in the United States) feels more like a TV event, than a really good live atmosphere.

 

[TennesseeJed]

Oh now I understand. I am still trying to get my brain to say Czechia

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@derek Rae
If you’re watching Türkiye-Portugal today, please don’t get angry at commentators or presenters for the way we pronounce „Türkiye.“ They no longer wish to be referred to as "Turkey“ & I’m sure you’ll agree, it’s not up to non-Turks to impose a name on a country that’s unwanted

Yeah I heard this a few days ago, but it will take my old brain a few more matches to unwire the expected pronunciation.

 

[NewlyRetired]

Euros > World Cup

I think the 3rd place stuff is pretty lame these days, but the level of play in the Euros just is so consistently high. A lot of WC groups end up feeling like snoozers.

These Euro groups have all felt kind of like snoozers this year. Good individual games, but the group consequences themselves pretty boring.

Not really any major upsets save an overrated Belgium team that has a history of underperforming. Whereas in 2022 world cup we had Japan beating Spain, South Korea beating Portugal, Saudi Arabia beating Argentina.

It looks likely that pretty much all of the top teams are going to easily advance out of the group stage in the Euros (maybe I'm getting ahead of myself here), save maybe that same overrated Belgium team that everyone expects to underperform. In the world cup Germany, Uruguay, and that same Belgium team all missed the knockouts.

For me, part of the allure of the Euros is also the atmosphere in and out of the stadiums - given the relative close proximity of all the teams, it always feels like a relatively equal distribution of fans, and festivities that come with that level of support.

World Cup (and Copa in the United States) feels more like a TV event, than a really good live atmosphere.

I would not compare the Copa to the WC in the US. They are two completely separate fan bases.

In Copa, 95% of the fans attending live in the US.
In the WC in 2026, the vast majority of fans will be coming from other countries.

The atmosphere comes from the traveling fans, not as much from the domestic fans.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

The only people who should determine how each country pronounces its name are Americans.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

The only people who should determine how each country pronounces its name are Americans.

To be fair, it's extremely unusual for a country to dictate what other countries call them in their own native language, right?

Spain and Italy and France and Morocco and Turkiye all have their own native way to say "United States" in their own language and it's not like we picked those.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

The only people who should determine how each country pronounces its name are Americans.

To be fair, it's extremely unusual for a country to dictate what other countries call them in their own native language, right?

Spain and Italy and France and Morocco and Turkiye all have their own native way to say "United States" in their own language and it's not like we picked those.

Thats nobody’s business but the Turks!

 

[gianmarco]

The only people who should determine how each country pronounces its name are Americans.

To be fair, it's extremely unusual for a country to dictate what other countries call them in their own native language, right?

Spain and Italy and France and Morocco and Turkiye all have their own native way to say "United States" in their own language and it's not like we picked those.

Understandable

 

[CletiusMaximus]

The only people who should determine how each country pronounces its name are Americans.

To be fair, it's extremely unusual for a country to dictate what other countries call them in their own native language, right?

Spain and Italy and France and Morocco and Turkiye all have their own native way to say "United States" in their own language and it's not like we picked those.

Agreed. I'm not sure what Derek Rae is getting at but its nearly impossible for an english speaker to pronounce "Türkiye" the way a Turkish native would. We pronounce almost every country in the tournament and around the globe differently than natives do. For example, "Germany" is a completely different word that "Deutschland" - not just a bad pronounciation. For Czechia, that's really just an abbreviation for convenience similar to using "US" or "USA" rather than writing or or saying, "United States of America" - its also easier to put on the front of a hockey jersey.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

The only people who should determine how each country pronounces its name are Americans.

To be fair, it's extremely unusual for a country to dictate what other countries call them in their own native language, right?

Spain and Italy and France and Morocco and Turkiye all have their own native way to say "United States" in their own language and it's not like we picked those.

Understandable

I don't necessarily care, but it still seems weird. They call themselves Turkiye, not Turkey. Isn't that somewhat normal? Many countries have a different name in their own native language than the country is called in that country's native language.

We call ourselves the United States, not Amerika Birleşik Devletleri (Turkish) nor Bandarakin (Icelandish) nor Los Estados Unidos nor 美国.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

I've been on the Messi >>>>>>>>>>> Ronaldo train for a long time. But with Ronaldo inventing something called an "assist" today I may have to rethink my position.

 

[massraider]

Pretty cool German fans, but still not as cool as the Dutch

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Fun so far. All teams at 3 points would make for a nice final day

 

[NewlyRetired]

Belgium looks like they are playing 11v 9. They need a second to match the domination.

 

[titusbramble]

Just by an eye-test estimate it looks like Arrowhead is roughly half sold a week before US v Uruguay. https://www.ticketmaster.com/copa-a...ty-missouri-07-01-2024/event/0600604291C97B21

Over the past several years, including a show I went to Thursday night, it seems Ticketmaster's strategy is to target the die-hard fans with means - selling fewer tickets at much higher prices rather than generating the same revenue by selling more tickets at lower prices. Good seats in the lower bowl are likely over $400 each after fees. I wouldn't go to this game if I lived in Kansas City much less travel in and stay overnight.

This has to be on the organizers of the tournament, right? They control their base ticket price?

At any rate, I am pretty surprised that the USMNT games haven't sold out.

I don't know myself, but the twitter commentary, for whatever that's worth, seems to indicate that Ticketmaster has control over pricing due to its exclusive relationship with the venue.

Ticketmaster has control over the fees (which I believe are $80 in this game for some seats for this game). They do not control the base ticket price from my understanding, that is done by the organizers of said event (NFL, concert, or in this case CONMEBOL).

In this spot I would not pay $8 of fees for a ticket, nor would I pay $80 for a ticket

 

[NewlyRetired]

Owen goal or Lukaku goals over turned by VAR?

Stay tuned to see who wins at the end of the tournament

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

From Reddit:

I was going to go until I saw that the cheapest ticket I could get (nosebleeds on either end) + 4 different fees + cheapest parking at stadium was going to be $169.10

 

[TennesseeJed]

I think this is the current draw for the Euros after Round 2:


Spain v. Slovakia
Germany v. Denmark

Portugal v. Slovenia
France v. Belgium



Romania v. Albania
Netherlands v. Turkiye

England v. Austria
Switzerland v. Italy


That would be an incredibly fortuitous draw for England, if it holds.

 

[massraider]

From Reddit:

I was going to go until I saw that the cheapest ticket I could get (nosebleeds on either end) + 4 different fees + cheapest parking at stadium was going to be $169.10

Such a missed opportunity. Hopefully they adjust

 

[NewlyRetired]

Least xG created at Euro 2024 after two games:
◎ Scotland: 0.79(xG)
◎ England: 1.44(xG)
◎ Serbia: 1.82(xG)

 

[TennesseeJed]

From Reddit:

I was going to go until I saw that the cheapest ticket I could get (nosebleeds on either end) + 4 different fees + cheapest parking at stadium was going to be $169.10

Such a missed opportunity. Hopefully they adjust

Narrator of future documentary: "In fact, they did not adjust"