Leroy Hoard
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Vegas gives them about a 1 in 3 chance. Stranger things have happened, they have won 3 of their 7 road games this year.
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2025 Detroit Lions: Game 1 Lions vs Packers. (39 Viewers)
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**** that stupid logic and **** that draft pick. I'm praying for the Rams to win because the hype and excitement would be off the rails here if the Lions are playing for a playoff spot Sunday night.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Right....and let's not forget the positives they accomplished with respect to road games. First road win of the Campbell era. First time winning back to back road games in 5 years. Beat a 7-2 team on the road in cold weather (think it was around 22 with a wind chill in the mid-teens.) Total flop at Carolina, but another example of Goff playing well in cold weather (355 yards, 3 TDs.)
Detroit has won 4 of 5 division games this year. MCDC has a record of 2-1 v GB. They don't have history, but they do have a lot of reasons to feel confident they can match up well with the Packers.
And one more very important thing...right now this team walks on the field expecting to win.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Everyone knows what a letdown Carolina was. I know the NFLPA filed a grievance about the field conditions but none of them used that as an excuse. Panthers ran for 320 yards on the same frozen turf.
Really impressed that they recalibrated and got their focus back. It probably ends up costing them a playoff spot. But maybe it's just something a young team needs to go through as they're learning how to win. Nobody thinks they're going deep in the playoffs anyway, is it the end of the world they had one bad week? They were prepared and started well in the other 8 games they've played in the last two months. When you consider how young they are - second youngest in the league, BY FAR the youngest defense - it's pretty impressive they climbed out of that 1-6 hole and starting playing on a whole different level.
Future is bright for these guys.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
@BobbyLayne I think you're the one who has expressed his displeasure with the phrase "same old Lions". Well, this Sunday is a good opportunity to start putting that phrase to bed. This is the kind of game that the SOLs always lose.
IMO the playoffs are almost beside the point. Lions hoping for a chance to get pounded in the wildcard round? Been there, done that. But if they can beat the Pack in Lambeau, that will indicate that something fundamental has changed. In a way, it would mean even more if it came in a game that was meaningless for Detroit and meant everything for GB.
IMO the playoffs are almost beside the point. Lions hoping for a chance to get pounded in the wildcard round? Been there, done that. But if they can beat the Pack in Lambeau, that will indicate that something fundamental has changed. In a way, it would mean even more if it came in a game that was meaningless for Detroit and meant everything for GB.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Aaron Rodgers said Sunday "this isn't the same old Lions any more." It's the smart thing to say. Be respectful, don't say something to fuel their desire. But I'm sure in the back of his mind he's gotta be thinking "but they always have been."
Go look on YouTube and NFL.com and any ****bird 4-letter site rn. Very clear narrative about this week: it's Green Bay, it's cold, it's the last game of the year, they have ARod, and they're playing the Lions. The Packers are a dangerous team no one wants to play right now. The defense, their return game, the run game - it's all coming together, they are peaking at the right time, 4 straight wins and in control of their own destiny. Lions have had a good year but they're not the same team on the road or in cold weather. yada yada yada everywhere you look.
Few weeks ago....on a Friday afternoon after practice, casual locker room interviews before the Vikings game somebody - it was probably Carlos Monarrez bc he's a negative **** and always asks **** Qs like this - asked Taylor Decker a baited Q. It was something like
"Well you've been here the longest, so you know what fans say....this is a game the same ole Lions always lose. How do you...."
This isn't the ****ing same old Lions.
He didn't get mad, didn't lose his cool, but he's tired of people bringing it up. Wish I could find the tweet/clip. BTW, in the locker room after Thanksgiving he told the team the same thing. "Losing sucks, but this ain't the SOL. This is different. We're different." They won three straight after that.
Decker went 50-4 in college, played on Urban Meyer's championship team. He's in his 7th year and they've only won 42 games. Imagine what that's like - with longer seasons, it will have taken him 8 years to win as many as he won in college. Brutal.
I remember how frustrating it was for Golden Tate. He came over from a successful franchise, and didn't understand all the negativity. "What does that have to do with us? None of us were here when that happened." People used to talk about how Megatron was worn down, he became Lionized from never playing on a team that had a legitimate shot. Barry went to 10 straight Pro Bowls, was about to break Walter Payton's record (~1500 short, which was an average year for him), but he was tired of the grind of never being more than just barely good enough to qualify. Stuff wears on athletes. It's not about the money or prestige. They all want to win. Accolades and honors and records don't mean jack if you are not getting closer to winning the Lombardi.
But it kind of always has been the same deal for Detroit. They might win 9 games, some years get to 10 or 11, but the end was always the same: Wild Card berth, lose the playoff game.
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There are 32 teams in the league, meaning the Lions have active W/L records versus 31 of them.
24 teams have a winning record against them.
Of the seven franchises we're over .500 against, three of those are by 1-2 games: another is 4 (25-21-1 v NYG.)
We've held a clear advantage over three teams lol: ARI ATL and CLE. Like wgaf, eh....nobody cares how we do against them.
We are literally doormats to everyone. The freaking Bears are .573 against us, Packers .583, Vikings are whopping .659. You look at any list of greatest NFL rivalries and virtually no thoughtful list has Detroit. Rival? Hell, they don't even think about us. We're nothing. To any franchise.
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Think they've lost their last 8 playoff games and all 11 times as a Wild Card. Have to go back to 1957 in SF to find a road playoff win.
Of course it's not even just the endless string of playoff futility. It's the way they have lost games. MFers find obscure rules nobody ever heard of that keep us from winning. Untimed plays, obvious blown calls, record setting FGs at the gun (at least twice - Dempsey and Tucker), et al. No reason to list them all out, we all know about the history of this franchise. Sometimes it really does feel like a curse sometimes.
Sort of like saying a guy is injury prone. Until he starts stacking up 16-17 game seasons, he is. Logically, no one is "injury prone." But if you miss 2, 3, 5 games year after year, can't really blame people for laying that moniker on you.
I don't like dwelling on negativity because it impedes progress. It reinforces the feeling your destiny is to fail. I could write books on it but I think it's pretty easily understood.
The thing is, until they start writing a new narrative, people are still going to drag that SOL **** out as long as they keep coming up short. Don't like it, not changing until you write a new narrative. Talk is cheap. Don't say it, just do it.
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Long winded setup, and maybe a bit unnecessary. But here is what I find different about Brad Holmes and Dan Campbell. They talked about SOL. They know what this city has been through.
MCDC played here. He was on the team (IR) when they went 0-16. He knows how much football means to Michiganders, and he knows the frustration the fans have endured for decades.
Holmes knew all about it, too. Most of his career was with the Rams, but his uncle (CB Luther Bradley) played here several years. He's been around, albeit back in the Silverdome era. They both knew about SOL and they knew the "curse of Bobby Layne" and they came in with eyes wide open. There was a toxic culture of negativity leftover from the Quinntricia era that had to be undone.
Holmes got the GM job six days before Campbell was announced. He didn't really actively take part in the search. He talked to him before they made the decision, but it was really up to the owner (being advised by Chris Spielman and a few others.) But Brad and Dan knew from their first conversation they shared the same vision about what it would take. Before they even talked about players or roster construction or how to go about rebuilding, they talked about the mood in the building. They had to shift the culture or none of this was going to work.
I have said from day 1 that while all the positivity and cultural shift was great, sooner or later it had to translate into wins. It's not real until it equates to winning football.
The guys have a big challenge this week. I think they will be up for it. But the Packers are a good team, they're a lot better than the team we beat on November 6. Detroit is better team as well. But this isn't a legacy game for Rodgers or anyone else over there. If they come up short, everything zen. He's got a pretty impressive resume either way.
This is a huge game for Goff. It's been a long road from Super Bowl LIII. He's had a good year but this game will tell us a lot if he's the long term solution.
The defense is the youngest in the league. They'll be a lot of snaps with 5-6 rookies on the field and 8-9 guys in their Y1/Y2. Sometimes they stop players like Saquon Barkley, Dalvin Cook, Justin Fields. Other weeks they struggle against Bailey Zappe or D'Onta Foreman. They're inconsistent. But when they are good, they have an amazing ability to put pressure on the QB. They are capable of shutting down a running game, full stop. But they're not there yet in terms of consistency.
The line is -4.5 and I don't think it has moved. I think most people think this is a classic end of year game Rodgers' Packers always win. Lions have a very bright future win or lose. But they have a lot to prove to themselves this weekend.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
Not even sure how to respond to that, so I'll just say this:
Curse or no curse, it's not your fault. It's not your fault. It's not your fault!
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
@ignatiusjreilly
I knew what that was gonna be before I clicked on it lol
Most people who know me IRL consider me to be reasonably intelligent. I've slowly come to realize over the decades I'm scarcely above average, but...knowledge + confidence confuses the hell out of people.
A modestly intelligent person would not be a diehard Lions fan. They have done nothing to deserve it. There is no logic involved. 56 seasons of heartbreak.
I don't even live there anymore. Fact is I've lived in other states 40% of my life - 71% of my adult life - and there's no rule about changing allegiances. My brother - who, trust me, truly is a dumbass - has been a Cowboys fan since Staubach. My favorite nephews, who are the current holders of the family season tickets at The Big house, root for the Patriots and 49ers. My son is convinced my fandom is unhealthy. For longevity reasons he wants me to stop caring.
(ASIDE - quite rich considering he roots for Newcastle United....apple didn't fall far from the tree, they're the Lions of the Premier League.)
I figure I have maybe 20 years left in this world. While I'm cognizant of the gambler's fallacy, I really like my odds.
Just once before I die, Lord.
I knew what that was gonna be before I clicked on it lol
Most people who know me IRL consider me to be reasonably intelligent. I've slowly come to realize over the decades I'm scarcely above average, but...knowledge + confidence confuses the hell out of people.
A modestly intelligent person would not be a diehard Lions fan. They have done nothing to deserve it. There is no logic involved. 56 seasons of heartbreak.
I don't even live there anymore. Fact is I've lived in other states 40% of my life - 71% of my adult life - and there's no rule about changing allegiances. My brother - who, trust me, truly is a dumbass - has been a Cowboys fan since Staubach. My favorite nephews, who are the current holders of the family season tickets at The Big house, root for the Patriots and 49ers. My son is convinced my fandom is unhealthy. For longevity reasons he wants me to stop caring.
(ASIDE - quite rich considering he roots for Newcastle United....apple didn't fall far from the tree, they're the Lions of the Premier League.)
I figure I have maybe 20 years left in this world. While I'm cognizant of the gambler's fallacy, I really like my odds.
Just once before I die, Lord.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
For me it's a situation where I'm too far in to quit now. I'm playing that slot machine until it pays off dammit! Hopefully I won't be carried out of the casino on a stretcher.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
I'll do you one better: I've been a Lions fan my whole life, but I've never once lived in the state of Michigan. Grew up in Central NJ, exactly halfway between NY and Philly. There were plenty of Giants and Eagles fans in my town, but I think we felt more liberated to choose whoever we wanted. Anyway, my dad is from Detroit so my brother and I inherited Lions fandom from him, along with Tigers and Pistons and, to a much lesser extent, Red Wings. (My oldest brother wasn't a big sports fan growing up, but he later moved to Tampa and became a Bucs/Lightning fan).
To make it even screwier, my mom is from DC, and I was a young kid when Gibbs and Riggins and the Hogs came on the scene, so I became a sports bigamist ... of two of the most dysfunctional NFL franchises (each dysfunctional in its own unique way).
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
For me, so much of it is tied up in my relationship with my dad. If, God willing, they ever made it to a Super Bowl while he was still alive -- he'll be 82 in March, and was a teenager for the last Lions' championship -- I would move heaven and earth to get him tickets so we could attend the game together
I'm 61 and have been a diehard fan since I was a kid. Despite everything that has happened, I have never jumped off the bandwagon. And I can guarantee when (not if, when) the Lions win the Super Bowl, the diehard fans who stuck around will enjoy it a thousand times more than the rest.
Moonlight
Footballguy
One of the interesting aspects of the upcoming GB game is the role of turnovers in deciding the match.
The Lions have the fewest giveaways (15) to date in the NFL. That's right they are ranked #1 They are also tied for 6th in overall turnover differential at +5.
The Packers on the other hand have been on a takeaway binge. They have created a whopping 12 takeaways in their last 4 games. They had 4 takeaways in each of their last two games vs Miami and Minnesota. This takeaway binge coincides with their 4-game winning streak. Of those 12 takeaways 9 were INTs.
The Packers have a total of 24 takeaways so far in 16 games yet half of them came in the last 4 games. They have a +4-turnover differential.
Goff has not been throwing INTs in his last 8 games. He has been very good in the second half of the season. 7 INTs in first 8 games; 0 INTS in the last 8. Also, in Detroit's 8 wins Goff has thrown only 1 INT. In the 8 losses he has thrown 6. At home Goff has thrown 3 INTs, on the road 4 INTS.
The Packer defense has been playing the way they expected it to play as of late. This looks like a contest of strength vs strength, and which could likely decide the outcome.
The Lions have the fewest giveaways (15) to date in the NFL. That's right they are ranked #1 They are also tied for 6th in overall turnover differential at +5.
The Packers on the other hand have been on a takeaway binge. They have created a whopping 12 takeaways in their last 4 games. They had 4 takeaways in each of their last two games vs Miami and Minnesota. This takeaway binge coincides with their 4-game winning streak. Of those 12 takeaways 9 were INTs.
The Packers have a total of 24 takeaways so far in 16 games yet half of them came in the last 4 games. They have a +4-turnover differential.
Goff has not been throwing INTs in his last 8 games. He has been very good in the second half of the season. 7 INTs in first 8 games; 0 INTS in the last 8. Also, in Detroit's 8 wins Goff has thrown only 1 INT. In the 8 losses he has thrown 6. At home Goff has thrown 3 INTs, on the road 4 INTS.
The Packer defense has been playing the way they expected it to play as of late. This looks like a contest of strength vs strength, and which could likely decide the outcome.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Scott Novak will be the referee Sunday Night.
Lions are very familiar with him.
To be fair, probably every NFL officiating crew has ****ed us at some point. Just the way it goes sometimes. The apology memo from New York usually arrives on Wednesdays after the blown call, nothing changes, part of the deal for not having favoured nation status.
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James Houston IV highlights
8.0 sacks in 6 games, most amongst rookies.
1st pick in the 2022 NFL draft - 3.5 sacks
2nd pick in the 2022 NFL draft - 7.5 sacks
6th pick in the 2022 NFL draft - 7.5 sacks
217th pick in the 2022 NFL draft - 8.0 sacks
Lions are very familiar with him.
- 2015 Miracle in Motown/Hail Mary game on Thursday night football (preceded by the phantom face mask)
- 2017 ten second runoff game v Atlanta
- 2021 the back judge mishandled the mechanics Tucker 61 yard FG game
To be fair, probably every NFL officiating crew has ****ed us at some point. Just the way it goes sometimes. The apology memo from New York usually arrives on Wednesdays after the blown call, nothing changes, part of the deal for not having favoured nation status.
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James Houston IV highlights
- first sack was a bull rush - look how low he gets here - and he never touched Fields, the simply pushed the 310 LT right through Fields
- second sack he was being double teamed - crazy good hand-fighting to get out of it - and Houston spun out to chase him down from behind and tomahawk the ball (Hutch recovered)
- third sack was even more impressive - he dropped off into coverage but then when Fields was flushed out of the pocket. Houston's closing burst on that play was astonishing.
8.0 sacks in 6 games, most amongst rookies.
1st pick in the 2022 NFL draft - 3.5 sacks
2nd pick in the 2022 NFL draft - 7.5 sacks
6th pick in the 2022 NFL draft - 7.5 sacks
217th pick in the 2022 NFL draft - 8.0 sacks
Hutch is a hella of a good player. But Houston is special. In these six games with limited snaps, he has been a dominate force. He may not only be the steal of the draft, he may be the player of the draft. His size had many overlooking him, but his speed and strength is elite. He is too fast and elusive for offensive lineman and too strong for a TE. Not sure how cutting him initially impacts the Lions control over him. Right now it looks like we have him for 1-year and I think a one-year option. We really need to get him on a longer term deal.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
He is under exclusive rights free agent terms for the next two year, e.g., club option. You lose the 4th year of player control when you cut a player. No need to give him a bag of money for another year.
Brockers, Romeo Okwara and Vatai are necessary veteran cuts which will free up some for the FA period. We have $28M (36 signed) and those three will give us another $40M (dead cap $17M.)
We have tremendous depth at both DL and OL.. Hope that philosophy continues as expand player acquisition. Sure is nice to know that next man up actually means "hey we have a man for that job" around here. Man, used to be we'd have a couple key injuries and "oh, ****, welp there goes that positional group." We're right in the middle of the pack in terms of missed man games - think we have 8 or so on the IR? - but they do a really nice job of just rolling with replacements when necessary. Second half of the season, injuries have been very manageable.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Not sure if Bobby covered this, but from MLive about Hutch:
The guy has played a staggering 909 defensive snaps this season, which not only leads all rookie defensive linemen, but it’s already the second-largest workload by a rookie defensive lineman ever. DeForest Buckner once played 1,006 defensive snaps for San Francisco in 2016.
The guy has played a staggering 909 defensive snaps this season, which not only leads all rookie defensive linemen, but it’s already the second-largest workload by a rookie defensive lineman ever. DeForest Buckner once played 1,006 defensive snaps for San Francisco in 2016.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
The good news is that Lions fans can print out the league's apology letters and present them for a free Slurpee at participating 7-11s
Here is an interesting analysis on the Hockenson trade to Minnesota. Out of Goff's six interceptions (excluding a hail Mary desperation), three and possibly four were due to Hock and Goff being on a different page, either with play calling or by different reads on coverages.
Also of note, Cousins interception rate has about doubled since Hock came to town.
Also of note, Cousins interception rate has about doubled since Hock came to town.
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dmac37
Footballguy
I'm also 61 and was a diehard Lions fan for years. I remember the Dempsey FG, the Chuck Hughes death and all the other Lion miss fortunes through the years. Many weekends ruined because I took all the outcomes as a barometer on how I judged my weekends during football season. Toward the end of the Millen era I could not take it anymore, reached my breaking point and no longer bleed Honolulu Blue like I had for years and turned to fantasy football at that time.
Last year for the first time since the Millen debacle, I believed the franchise had hope and was moving in the right direction. Not sure if I'm still considered a true fan or not but I'm back rooting for them each weekend now. Go Rams and set up a huge game vs the Pack on Sunday night.
whoknew
Footballguy
I hope you are right, but I think you may be reaching a bit on Houston. He's certainly been a great pass rusher. But prior to last week, they really couldn't play him against the run. Now he's only played six games or whatever - so maybe that's still to come. But right now, he looks like a really good pass rusher. Which, obviously, is a HUGE steal where they drafted him.
Hutch, on the other hand, while maybe not as great of a pass rusher, is a 3 down player. That's what makes him so good.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Q - Dan, you first talked about the pressure of a navigating the stage changing, the pressure of changing expectations, after the Jets game. Y’all struggled a little bit in Carolina. Do you feel like you’ve gotten the team to a place where they’re ready for this now because this is kind of a different level?
MCDC: Well I feel like let’s find out. That’s why I want them to know exactly the magnitude of this game. Because they need to know what this feels like, they need to know what they’re walking into. At the very least you find out. You find out and you figure who can and who can’t. Who is ready who’s not, who’s young who’s mature. But to me that’s the way to approach this one, right now, with where we’re at, let’s go.
MCDC: Well I feel like let’s find out. That’s why I want them to know exactly the magnitude of this game. Because they need to know what this feels like, they need to know what they’re walking into. At the very least you find out. You find out and you figure who can and who can’t. Who is ready who’s not, who’s young who’s mature. But to me that’s the way to approach this one, right now, with where we’re at, let’s go.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
James Houston did not win NFC Defensive Player of the Week. That went to Cameron Jordan of the Saints.
Both players had 3 sacks and a forced fumble.
No comparison between the respective OL, good call.
Both players had 3 sacks and a forced fumble.
No comparison between the respective OL, good call.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Why Okudah got benched
good short video by Sports Talk Detroit* on what's been going on with #1
grades (esp tackling & run grades) have fallen off a cliff since he hurt his shoulder a month ago
*aside - this a pretty cool little channel if you follow the Lions or Pistons
good short video by Sports Talk Detroit* on what's been going on with #1
grades (esp tackling & run grades) have fallen off a cliff since he hurt his shoulder a month ago
*aside - this a pretty cool little channel if you follow the Lions or Pistons
FunkyPlutos
Footballguy
Hopefully the Lions' players listen to the coaches better than the Vikings players did and wear the correct cleats!!
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Rich Hribar
@LordReebs
Since the trade of TJ Hockenson, the Lions have targeted their TEs 11.4% of the time outside of the 10-yard line, 31st in the NFL. Inside of the 10... 47.4% of the time, third in the league. The group has combined for just 32 catches over that span, but 9 TDs.
@LordReebs
Since the trade of TJ Hockenson, the Lions have targeted their TEs 11.4% of the time outside of the 10-yard line, 31st in the NFL. Inside of the 10... 47.4% of the time, third in the league. The group has combined for just 32 catches over that span, but 9 TDs.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
yeah they been a locker room topic this week. Vikings equipment manager recommended one thing and the players were like yeah naw I don’t like that one.
Jamaal Williams (played in GB 4 seasons) said they went over it first meeting this week, he told everyone “trust me, don’t overthink it, just wear this one.” like I know nothing about cleats but I think he said 7 point spike.
Carolina game they def got psyched tf out pregame. apparently the field was frozen and they couldn’t make any cuts. they didn’t use it as an excuses - they got their asses kicked, and Carolina ran for 320 yards on the same crappy turf - but the NFPLA filed a grievance afterwards.
Back in the 1930s there was a famous NFL Championship game between the Bears & Giants they became known as “the sneakers game.” The temperature was in single digits, and the Polo Grounds field had ice patches all over it. At halftime they switched to basketball sneakers. New York set a record that still stands for most 4th quarter points in a title game.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Yeah Detroit actually set a team record for TE touchdowns this year. By draft capital:
- 1st round - 3
- 5th round - 1 (rookie James Mitchell)
- UDFA - 8 (Wright & S Zylstra)
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
my bad - I somehow screwed this up lol (must have been looking at the wrong year or week)
our Week 18 official is Brad Allen
his crew has called the second most penalties in the league this year
whatever
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
When I was a kid I did every single book report on a sports topic (I recall lots of those crappy "authorized biographies" on the likes of Al Kaline, Richie Ashburn and Brooks Robinson). Anyway, I remember reading something about the Sneakers Game, although it's been a long time since I've seen any reference to it. Seems like an evergreen topic, as we're seeing this year.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Anybody remember the Punt Pass & Kick Library series? There were 15 of them, I probably had at least 10 of them.
Thnk the Sneakers Game was in this one.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
I'm sure Andy Reid does.
And yeah, I'm 95% sure that I did a book report on at least one of the books in that series
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
I distinctly remember learning the word flamboyant when I was 8 or 9 while reading about Al Kaline. As in, he’s not.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
I once did a book report on a Billy Martin biography. The book was a few years old at the time so it only covered his career as a player.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Agree, especially now that the Rams won a few games. We aren’t talking about getting a top 3 pick or anything.
The Rayovac battery of baseball players.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Lions switching from slit film turf, replacing the Ford Field surface with a more player-friendly CORE monofilament turf. Glad they’re listening to their players.
Still 5 teams/4 stadiums using slit film
Still 5 teams/4 stadiums using slit film
FairWarning
Footballguy
I feel like this is Lucy pulling the ball away from Charlie Brown, hope I’m wrong. Arod couldn’t have played a worse game in Detroit. I don’t think he’ll be the key though - it’ll be the GB D.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
I don't really see that. For the Peanuts analogy to hold, you'd have to believe in Detroit.
Everybody expects Green Bay to win. 68% of the betting is on the Packers against the spread, 87% of money line picks are for the home team.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Detroit is 8-1 ATS in its last nine games overall and 9-0 ATS in its last nine games against the NFC North.
The Lions are also 9-2 ATS in their last 11 games against the Packers and either won or lost by less than 5 points in eight of those 11 games.
Dan Campbell is 2-1 v GB and 6-5 v NFC North opponents (4-1 this season.)
The Lions are also 9-2 ATS in their last 11 games against the Packers and either won or lost by less than 5 points in eight of those 11 games.
Dan Campbell is 2-1 v GB and 6-5 v NFC North opponents (4-1 this season.)
It'd hold if the rams beat Seattle tomorrow. Going into that game with a shot of making the playoffs and losing would be a pretty big gut punch.
FairWarning
Footballguy
I think it’s more because of GB evolving over the last month than anything Detroit has done.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
One way to view it. In fact I'd say it's the consensus view. Nobody seems to be considering how much this game means to Detroit irrespective of playoff implications.
Detroit has gone 7-2 since Week 9 when they beat GB. Goff has 17 TDs and 1 interception in that span.
- 28.9 PPG
- +74 Point differential
- +10 Turnover differential (4 turnovers, 14 takeaways
- +16 Sack differential
Their scoring defense has been 20.7, which would be tied for 10th best in the NFL with Denver. But their season long stats have them bottom 5 in total yards and PA so I guess we should just ignore what they've done in the second half.
Give you a prime example of the bias; let's look at each team's #1 CB:
Jaire Alexander (GB) has the 5th best passer rating against him, 62.2. 37/67 541 3 TDs 5 INT 8.07 YPA
Jerry Jacobs (DET) has the 8th best passer rating against him, 64.2. 26/62 407 0 TDs 1 INT 6.56 YPA
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Detroit Lions elevating RB Jermar Jefferson, CB Jarren Williams for Packers game
Jefferson has been on the PS all year, hasn’t dressed or even been elevated. He has picked up some Special Team skills since his rookie year. But Jackson & Reynolds s/b available. Might just be a rewards thing to take him to GB (practice squad players don’t travel.)Williams has zero defensive snaps. I think this is insurance if Okudah (elbow) can’t go. Dressed for the Vikings game and was a 4-phase STer (14 snaps.)
DeShon Elliott looks good to go Sunday.
Will be interesting who starts at LCB. Will Harris (much improved) will be in the Slot and Jerry Jacobs at RCB. Okudah has been benched the last two games, only 17 snaps v the Bears. Thinking Mike Hughes gets the call but we’ll see.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
hype video from Ford Field Week 17 v Chicago
If anyone was at the game this was memorable, think they played it at the two minute warning end of game.
Heard about it, saw snippets…didn’t realize it got released.
Taylor Decker was emotional talking about it after the game.
If anyone was at the game this was memorable, think they played it at the two minute warning end of game.
Heard about it, saw snippets…didn’t realize it got released.
Taylor Decker was emotional talking about it after the game.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Oh OK
Dude that’s what we want to have happen. You don’t want the season to end any other way - playing at their biggest rival (and we’re not even a bothersome gnat to them), with a chance to prove themselves. Nobody respects them, and they KNOW that. Gotta earn respect.
Lions did a complete tear down. No one realistically thought this was going to be a competitive year. We were hoping to see improvement from 2021 and have young players develop. Were hoping to develop a consistent pass rush: Hutch +1. Thought that might be Charles Harris (IR), or Romeo Okwara, maybe Josh Paschal. Got there, but didn’t think it was gonna be James Houston IV. Or that John Cominsky & Isaiah Buggs would be so stout.
Anyway, a loss doesn’t derail the vision. They’ll still compete for the division title in 2023. This year is already a very good season.
I think they’re gonna win. The Seahawks outcome is ancillary. Going 5-1 in the division and having a wining season for the first time since 2017 is a massive opportunity.
Gut punch. lolololol
As if it’s in my DNA to stop caring or stop loving this team bc I might get hurt by a loss.
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