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Benson Is Terrible (2 Viewers)
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H.K.
Footballguy
He meant feet, not yards.
Lord of Football
Footballguy
H.K. said:
mdog1967
Footballguy
Hey thats not fair, because I think your making a great point. Most people probably had him rated closer to the 1 than the 25.
Franknbeans
Footballguy
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
Benson Blows and Favre Swallows.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Prediction against Seattle next week:
He'll EXPLODE for 14 yards on 23 carries... 0 TD.
He'll EXPLODE for 14 yards on 23 carries... 0 TD.
Alluro
Footballguy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uL1bonBnxyc
What happened to the Talent? there was a reason he was drafted that high. The player on the Bears is not the same guy we see in the highlight video
What happened to the Talent? there was a reason he was drafted that high. The player on the Bears is not the same guy we see in the highlight video
It takes people far too long to forget about college or draft position.
Once you're in the NFL, none of that really matters. He got a chance to show what he can do on this level, it wasn't much, and that's that.
VERY few people suck for 2-3 years, and then suddenly skyrocket to stardom. You have it or you don't. For all the love over Thomas Jones, the guy just isn't very good. He has NO TDS this year. He's a decent RB. He's been the same RB his whole career.
"college talent" or "high draft pick" doesn't get you far on Sunday. Tom Brady wasn't either, but he has it. Alex Smith has both, but clearly he doesn't.
I agree with hyping guys who haven't had a shot. But once you have your shot, and fail, the verdict is pretty clear. I once read a quote from Mike Martz where he said it takes about 20 games to know if a QB will make it in the NFL or not. Which pretty much falls in with my line of thinking. You get 1-2 years as a starter, and you are what your stats say you are. Sure you can blame coaches, teammates, situation, city, but when you boil it all down, you're a legit NFL player, or you're not.
And it almost has nothing to do with physical talent. There are guys with insane physical talent, better then lots of NFL guys, who aren't in the NFL. There are guys who can run 4.3 bagging groceries. A lot of it is mental; a lot of it is your character. Every draft pick coming into the NFL has crazy physical talent. You don't get this far by fooling people. But most draft picks don't make it, because they just don't have it. No one really knows what it is, because the NFL is a billion dollar industry and draft picks still bust out just as much as 30 years ago.
But after watching a guy for 2-3 years, he is what he is and no "best shape of his life" offseason fluff story will change that. It’s easy to make excuses, but that’s mostly wishful thinking.
Once you're in the NFL, none of that really matters. He got a chance to show what he can do on this level, it wasn't much, and that's that.
VERY few people suck for 2-3 years, and then suddenly skyrocket to stardom. You have it or you don't. For all the love over Thomas Jones, the guy just isn't very good. He has NO TDS this year. He's a decent RB. He's been the same RB his whole career.
"college talent" or "high draft pick" doesn't get you far on Sunday. Tom Brady wasn't either, but he has it. Alex Smith has both, but clearly he doesn't.
I agree with hyping guys who haven't had a shot. But once you have your shot, and fail, the verdict is pretty clear. I once read a quote from Mike Martz where he said it takes about 20 games to know if a QB will make it in the NFL or not. Which pretty much falls in with my line of thinking. You get 1-2 years as a starter, and you are what your stats say you are. Sure you can blame coaches, teammates, situation, city, but when you boil it all down, you're a legit NFL player, or you're not.
And it almost has nothing to do with physical talent. There are guys with insane physical talent, better then lots of NFL guys, who aren't in the NFL. There are guys who can run 4.3 bagging groceries. A lot of it is mental; a lot of it is your character. Every draft pick coming into the NFL has crazy physical talent. You don't get this far by fooling people. But most draft picks don't make it, because they just don't have it. No one really knows what it is, because the NFL is a billion dollar industry and draft picks still bust out just as much as 30 years ago.
But after watching a guy for 2-3 years, he is what he is and no "best shape of his life" offseason fluff story will change that. It’s easy to make excuses, but that’s mostly wishful thinking.
Being from Chicago and a Bears fan, here are my opinions based on what I am hearing:
The Bears know that Benson is bad and his badness has spread beyond his inability to run with the ball.
The Bears are wondering if Benson's inablility to block and his one dimensional play (more like ZERO dimensional, imo) has had a significant negative effect on assessing Rex Grossman's and Brian Griese's performance.
The Bears are also not able to assess the offensive line with such an ineffective running back.
Benson has become the rotten apple of the offense - rotten in the current offense and has made ability to plan for the future rotten.
Now that's a bad running back.
The Bears know that Benson is bad and his badness has spread beyond his inability to run with the ball.
The Bears are wondering if Benson's inablility to block and his one dimensional play (more like ZERO dimensional, imo) has had a significant negative effect on assessing Rex Grossman's and Brian Griese's performance.
The Bears are also not able to assess the offensive line with such an ineffective running back.
Benson has become the rotten apple of the offense - rotten in the current offense and has made ability to plan for the future rotten.
Now that's a bad running back.
Franknbeans
Footballguy
• Cedric Benson's career-high 31 touches (29 carries, two catches) in Week 10 resulted in just 97 yards of offense thanks to 2.6-yards per carry, although he did score on a three-yard run. On the season, Benson is eighth in the league in touches (194 – 178 carries, 16 catches) but 15th in total offense (667 – 542 rushing, 125 receiving) thanks to his 3.0-yard average per carry, which ranks him worst among the 22 RB with at last 100 carries on the season.
So do you think that a RBs first 400 carries would equate to about 20 games for a QB? Just asking b/c Benson has 402 carries and 1461 yards, 9 TDs, and only 3 lost fumbles so far in his career. Now that may not be All Pro material but it is definatly NFL calibur #s if you ask me, plus almost half of those 402 carries have been this year on this crappy team that is not the same as it was 2 years ago.
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Statcruncher
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Don't forget his impressive carries in the Super Bowl. Rush #1 = fumble. Rush #2 = out for game. But the fumble in the Super Bowl doesn't count because the Bears didn't lose possession. The biggest game of his life and he can't complete a run without dropping the rock or getting nicked. Not counting pre-season and post-season Benson has played in 32 regular season games over the course of 3 seasons. Is he the worst that ever played? No. If he were undrafted it would be kind of a success story. The problem is he's a consesus single digit draft pick who acts like a sullen primadonna, gets paid like a millionaire, is in the same system for the 3rd year and when handed the job on a platter produces like a bag of hammers. They don't have the paper banners across the team entrance at Soldier Field anymore because they're afraid Cedric would never make it out of the tunnel. Cut him and spend his millions on someone who won't spend every carry trying to give his own O-lineman kidney bruises.
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Actually the fumble in the Superbowl doesnt count because post season stats dont count, but Im sure you knew that right. And I didnt realize he was the first player to ever sprain his knee in the Superbowl and have to sit out. And if his O-lineman dont want kidney bruises then their soft old asses need to push the line and open up some holes and get the hell out of the way. Nobody can run through a brickwall.
Statcruncher
Footballguy
Your stud RB is in his second year ready to take over the starting job and gets possibly a once in a lifetime chance to play in the Super Bowl. His first carry he puts the rock on the carpet. Whether you would like to call it an official stat or not I think it absolutely is pertinent to the discussion of Mr. Benson's NFL worthiness. As for the O-lineman some RB's actually look up and pay attention to where people are. Then they perform a complex series of geometric calculations and actually change direction so that they wind up running towards a place where the player density isn't as high. But that must be hard to do when your running style resembles looking for lost change with an extremely magnetic attraction to the contact free haven known as the sidelines.
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TwinTurbo
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Benson definitely sucks but I think it's a stretch to put this much blame on him. Early in the season I though AD was in a similar situation with the Vikings and was still putting up huge numbers. But if you look a bit deeper, the Vikings have a very good O-line. Yes AD was creating some plays on his own. But they were also doing a decent job of enabling AD to get to the second level and then he was working his magic from there. Benson definitely doesn't have that magic. But he also doesn't have a good O-line that is giving him holes to the second level. I really think most of the blame for the Bears problems rest on the fact that the Offensive Line unit is much worse than last year. Thomas Jones would not be running well in this offense either. Yes Benson blows. I think he is garbage. But his O-line blows worse. And neither LT or AD would make Grossman look good. They aren't making Phillip Rivers or Tavaris Jackson look good either.
3.63 career y/c. That is not good enough to be a starting back in the NFL. Yeah, there are worse starting running backs, but on teams that would love to get rid of them. Thats the difference. Forget the numbers- watch the guy play. He runs way out over his feet like he's just waiting to fall over. He falls into the hole, even if he went untouched he'd fall down half the time. You'd expect better out of a fullback. Benson is banking on 3 yards and a cloud of dust and that just doesnt get the job done. He has practically zero danger of breaking a big play and that is unacceptable.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
This is said, but I will be starting Benson for the 3rd time this week. He did not start on my roster at the beginning of the season. I had a week with only one RB that wasn't on bye or named Fred Taylor. I traded for the guy. He got me 8 and I won by 3.
Started him last week. Got me 15 or so. I won by 13.
In my league I have the option of starting two players at the same position and getting the points of the higher scoring player if I am home field. I am home field. I will be pairing Ced and MJD as part of that HFA combo along side LT.
I realize he blows but he has been instrumental in helping me win two games this year. I just got lucky with him actually doing something those two weeks. I hope he helps me for a 3rd week....
Started him last week. Got me 15 or so. I won by 13.
In my league I have the option of starting two players at the same position and getting the points of the higher scoring player if I am home field. I am home field. I will be pairing Ced and MJD as part of that HFA combo along side LT.
I realize he blows but he has been instrumental in helping me win two games this year. I just got lucky with him actually doing something those two weeks. I hope he helps me for a 3rd week....
Keith Lewis
Footballguy
What is Cedric "I might get you a yard" Bensons matchup this week?
NinerK
Footballguy
Statcruncher
Footballguy
He will be facing off against his biggest contender to his "no heart" crown, Shaun Alexander.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
Ouch....So a multiple pro-bowler who once held the single season TD record for a RB has as much heart as Cedric Benson. I believe that SA actually was the starting RB on a team that went to the SB. Ced was backing up TJ. While Ced blows and SA is struggling mightily, you can't use Alexander's name in the same sentence as Benson in terms of heartlessness....
Statcruncher
Footballguy
It sounds rough but right now they are the same runner. Trust me, I like Alexander. I rode him to my league's title in '03. He's always been a soft runner but that's to be expected to some degree in order to maintain longetivity. He was a great runner, but unfortunately he now appears to have the exact mindset and skillset that Benson has. Very sad indeed. I hope his wrist is limiting him, but he looks like he's cashing a check instead of doing what he loves. Maybe I went overboard but put them on the same team with the same jersey # and I wouldn't be able to tell them apart right now.Ouch....So a multiple pro-bowler who once held the single season TD record for a RB has as much heart as Cedric Benson. I believe that SA actually was the starting RB on a team that went to the SB. Ced was backing up TJ. While Ced blows and SA is struggling mightily, you can't use Alexander's name in the same sentence as Benson in terms of heartlessness....
TD5150
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TheFanatic
Footballguy
The worst was that Cedric was actually with Tank Johnson when the police raided Tank's house. When the cops arrived Cedric ran for it. He made it 2.9 yards before to female police officers took him down. Without any evidence of wrong doing and no damage whatsoever to the officers that tackled him they had to let him go....
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
That's pretty cool, home field advantage then really means something. Been in a lot of leagues, but not in one like that. How does your league like it, does it have to be a RB where you get the double points or can it be a WR too or any position for that matter.*sorry, end of hijack*I'm in the Benson doesn't blow category. I know it's just words and my wife hates when I argue about "words" but I don't think he blows, I think he's just not very good.Blows to me is a step down from the not very good category. I think Tatum Bell to me entered the "Blows" category and I'd probably have Benson just up from that type of back.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
Can be any position. Just has to be guys that play the same position. So you can pair two QB's, two RB's, two WR's even kickers or D if you want. The rule has been in place for our 8th year now. It was also in place for a few years prior to this league being formed in another league. when that league collapsed 4 of the owners recreated this league and incorporated that rule...
Southside Stosh
Footballguy
:(The worst was that Cedric was actually with Tank Johnson when the police raided Tank's house. When the cops arrived Cedric ran for it. He made it 2.9 yards before to female police officers took him down. Without any evidence of wrong doing and no damage whatsoever to the officers that tackled him they had to let him go....
Shufflin'Crew
Footballguy
Bears fan. Hated Benson from day 1 of his holdout. Just curious what the Benson lovers think about this nugget from today's Chicago Sun Times...The great myth about Benson that has been debunked this season is that he's a power runner who wears down defenses the more carries he gets.''That's probably true with any running back,'' Turner said. ''They need to get a lot of carries to get the feel of the game.''The problem is, Benson's average drops the more carries he gets. He had 29 yards on his first 10 carries against Oakland (2.9 per carry), then 47 yards on his next 19 (2.47 per carry).That's pretty much how things have gone for Benson all season. He has produced 328 yards on his first 10 carries of each game (3.6 per carry) but just 214 on 88 carries after that (2.4 per carry).Is Benson running with more authority early, then dancing at the line instead of hitting the hole later? Is there a shell-shock effect from a lack of blocking. Is he in good enough shape to wear people out late in games? It might be time to start Adrian Peterson and see if the same effect holds up. At least then you'd have an indication if it's Benson's fault or poor blocking.All of these things may be true, but if I were to tell you you could get RB25 in the 4th round before your draft started, you'd probably be pretty stoked. The fact that other people who went later have performed similarly or better is immaterial.I think that is exactly the point. Benson is essentially 1 point a game better than Fred Taylor but was drafted somewhere in the neighborhood of 4 rounds or so earlier. In a value based system, 1 point a game does not make one feel good about drafting a guy in the second or third round as opposed to the 6th or 7th.Not sure what your scoring system is, but in my league Fred Taylor is ranked 12 spots below Benson.
King of the Wolfies
Footballguy
Benson was told to hit the bench, but he fell down a yard short of it.
Didnt Eddie George average about 3.2 YPC for his career? And he played what about 12 years? And he was a pound it in there back, so is Benson. So NFL calibur? Yeah I'd say Benson is.
Jedimaster21
Footballguy
No comparison. Eddie might have averaged something close for his career, but when he was elite, he was putting up right around 4 yards per carry. Not to mention the fact that he caught about 50 balls a year. Benson is mediocre in most phases of the game, and bad in some. I used to be a supporter of his talent, but he has no work ethic, no heart, and is less than average. There isn't much more to say.
Where do you guys get your information from? Eddie George only averaged over 4 YPC two years out of his whole career, both years were 4.1 and 4.1, he also had a year at 3.9. Every other year he played he averaged 3.7 or less, mostly less. And 50 balls a year? Dude, this stuff is not hard to look up bro. George had 2 years in his career where he was close to 50. 1999 he had 47 catches, 2000 he had 50 catches, every other year was way less, he had years with reception totals of 7,9,22,23, and a few mid 30s, but his career average for receptions per year is only 29.7. Benson is on pace for 30-35 catches this year and they dont even use him on third downs much. Is there any other way that you can try to explain how Eddie George was "elite" and Benson is "less than average?"
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Construction Man Jim
Footballguy
How many rushing yards did Benson have Sunday against the Raiders? Yahoo made a stat correction changing his total to 72. NFL.com still has him with 76.
Liquid Tension
Footballguy
I am not comparing Benson to Eddie George, but your above comment is a bit much after a short time in the league. I mean last year Benson averaged 4.12 YPC which was higher than TJ's YPC.I am in the minority, but I see Benson a little different than most. I don't know what is work ethic is like, but I watch most plays from the Bears and I see a guy running hard who looks a little like Rudi Johnson. I also see an OL that makes Benson break an average of one tackle behind the LOS every run. You simply will not look good when your OL is horrible. I think people are wrongly blaming Benson for his terrible numbers.Now, it is possible that Benson is weak in pass blocking and receiving and because of that it makes the Bears more predictable, but it could also be that the OL is bad and the QB is bad so unless it is pass situation, the Bears simply can't run.I will go on record to say Benson is not as bad as the people on this thread are making him out to be and would look much better on a better running team. I am not saying he is elite, but I don't think he is much worse than Rudi Johnson or Thomas Jones for that matter
Knight who says Ni
Footballguy
I actually agree with a lot of this post - it's a shame that good posts like this get lost in the muck and mudslinging of ad hominem attacks. The signal-to-noise ratio here has been low latelyNi
Statcruncher
Footballguy
Are you watching when they are on offense or on defense?
NinerK
Footballguy
What's the highest page count on a useless thread in the Shark Pool?
This has to be in the top 3. Krikey.
Benson is an overrated average RB. Not great, not the worst. I was glad to have his 17 points this week. Relative to his ADP, yes, he blows.
17 pages? This thread continues to amaze.
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This has to be in the top 3. Krikey.
Benson is an overrated average RB. Not great, not the worst. I was glad to have his 17 points this week. Relative to his ADP, yes, he blows.
17 pages? This thread continues to amaze.
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I agree. Please turn the tool factor WAY down in this one and get back to discussing football and not each other.TIA.JKnight who says Ni said:
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Benson has been upgraded from "blowing" to merely "terrible."
