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Your 1975 what? Datsun? I’m interested !
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Your 1975 what? Datsun? I’m interested !
brettdj
Footballguy
1975 280Z
ChiefD
Footballguy
Nugget
Footballguy
Nissan is not in great shape in the US. They are down 2% retail, only behind Stellantis (13%). Industry is up about 4% retail. Hyundai/Kia is selling 2x the volume. They are up about 20% in rental volume, but margins are compressed and it will hurt long term residual and brand value. Their Infiniti brand is considering letting the dealers dual their facilities - there is not enough throughput to justify (I think it was around 27 new per dealer per month). We will see if the Honda rumors pan out - the brand and the dealer network will bring value to someone.
Todem
Footballguy
Todem
Footballguy
Yeah…..I am a huge Nissan loyalist. I mean the Maxima had served me so well for 35 years. And my wife has been driving Muranos since their inception. We just leased a 2024 SL for 18 months to bridge us to the new redesigned 2025 (by then 2026). If they make it…..I hope they do. They make good cars and they are a value with quality.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
Nissan is awesome! IMO they are the best bargain vehicles you can buy. Nearly as reliable as Honda and Toyota but just not the same quality- however they’re 2/3 the price.
That’s been my experience with them in past.
Today? I think all cars peaked about 10 years ago and everything has been downhill since.
New Binky the Doormat
Footballguy
congrats man - I'm like you in that I still drive a '13 Avalon that's in great shape and only 62K miles on it ...love how it drives and just can't justify to myself splurging on something really cool though I know it's gonna be fun
Todem
Footballguy
Yeah....I said to myself....it's now or never. Glad I did it. You only live once.
dkp993
Footballguy
Congrats! My second car was a 73 240z. Loved that car. Have fun
pollardsvision
Footballguy
Honda considering a merger with Nissan and Mitsubishi
It'll be interesting to see how that goes. Nissan is apparently having some big financial troubles.
It'll be interesting to see how that goes. Nissan is apparently having some big financial troubles.
Todem
Footballguy
IMO it will happen. Nissan has much better EV tech than Honda and Honda has great hybrid tech that has eluded Nissan.
This is a life raft being given to Nissan by Honda. But a smart strategic move for Honda.
Honda sees an opportunity to reel in the massive dealer network Nissan has in North America and use their EV prowess. The Arya is a beast of an EV for Nissan.
Now I can have some hope of a future redesigned Hybrid Maxima.
Harry Frogfish
Footballguy
Really good stuff, thanks.
Haven't read the thread, was just digging for Toyota Land Cruiser info, as I'm pretty sure that's what I'll be buying.
I'm partial to Toyotas and this new LC fits all the parameters. I even like the old-school look of it. So I was thinking the '24 would be a decent buy now; used. But no, not even close.
Then I looked at the differences between a 24 and 25. Nothing of note. So price and (lack of) upgrades are almost the same. It's basically the same vehicle.
All of which leads one to believe that the only way to go here is with a new 25. That runs contrary to everything I was thinking/hoping. Am I'm wrong or missing something?
Why would one buy the 24? I guess I can wait it out and see if they finally drop the older models but not sure some rebate for a couple of grand would even be worth it.
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Harry Frogfish
Footballguy
So is it true that a vehicle that weighs 6K in Cali can get you up to a 25K writeoff?
If you are a realtor, caregiver or VR manager, this is what I was told. After a few beers.
Interesting. It does kind of jibe with seeing a lot of those same folks in those vocations with large vehicles.
If you are a realtor, caregiver or VR manager, this is what I was told. After a few beers.
Interesting. It does kind of jibe with seeing a lot of those same folks in those vocations with large vehicles.
Likely referring to a Section 179 deduction and yes, its a federal tax deduction you can take on certain vehicles over 6k lbs. There are some legal requirements that have to be met such as at least 50% of the use has to be for business purposes. That is why you’d see a larger % of self employed or business owners driving these bigger vehicles.
It was a big thing/joke a year ago when the cybertruck was coming out to see lots of businesses buying them and putting wraps/advertising on their cybertrucks. There’s also a thing called bonus depreciation that allows an even bigger additional tax writeoff in the first year but this is slowly being fazed out (pending what happens in Congress this year with tax policy.)
I haven't read the thread but my big takeaway from a very casual look yesterday was how expensive the "fun" SUVs like Jeep and Bronco are.
At this point, I'm pretty much open to anything from a Bronco to a 5 series BMW to a Corvette. And I was shocked at how expensive the SUVs are in comparison.
At this point, I'm pretty much open to anything from a Bronco to a 5 series BMW to a Corvette. And I was shocked at how expensive the SUVs are in comparison.
dkp993
Footballguy
To narrow this down, what are your goals with the car? There are a lot of fantastic options out there today, that’s the great thing about today’s current car market. The bad, you’re likely going to have to pay a pretty penny of it.
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Honestly, that's part of my problem. I have no idea really what I want.
I currently drive a GMC 2500 diesel truck with 36k miles that I use for pulling the 13,000 pound BBQ trailer.
It's incredible and I love it. Power to pull something that heavy but feels like a luxury car inside with heated seats and steering and such. The only downside is it's so big and can make parking tough sometimes if I'm downtown.
Plus it's still a 2500 truck so the ride isn't luxury smooth.
And while it's a beast, it's not especially "fun".
That's where Im drawn to a Bronco with a removable top. Living in Tennessee, I'd have a pretty wide window to have the top down.
Or something like a BMW 5 series sedan that would be more luxury. Or even a Corvette but just not sure that's my vibe.
I am also admittedly biased toward an American company. I realize some will think that's stupid, but it's my money.
So basically, I'm wandering.
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gianmarco
Footballguy
dkp993
Footballguy
My opinion, and that’s certainly all it is, is since you have your beast to haul and drive around in I would probably be looking towards a fun car as it sounds like you’re looking for something to get some driving enjoyment out of. You have your every day work course, now get the phone car. A five series (depending on the model version) or a Corvette couldn’t be more on the opposite end of that spectrum, but they’re both fantastic cars that come with fun upsides and some obvious down sides. But both are great choices though.
Honestly, that's part of my problem. I have no idea really what I want.
I currently drive a GMC 2500 diesel truck with just 36k miles that I use for pulling the 13,000 pound BBQ trailer.
It's incredible and I love it. Power to pull something that heavy but feels like a luxury car inside with heated seats and steering and such. The only downside is it's so big and can make parking tough sometimes if I'm downtown.
Plus it's still a 2500 truck so the ride isn't luxury smooth.
And while it's a beast, it's not especially "fun".
That's where Im drawn to a Bronco with a removable top. Living in Tennessee, I'd have a pretty wide window to have the top down.
Or something like a BMW 5 series sedan that would be more luxury. Or even a Corvette but just not sure that's my vibe.
I am also admittedly biased toward an American company. I realize some will think that's stupid, but it's my money.
So basically, I'm wandering.
Tell me more on the Corvettes. I know we'd talked some in the past.
dkp993
Footballguy
This summer I’ll be in the market for my fun car. C8 ZO6 is on the short list. Fantastic values for performance cars.
I was pretty surprised at the cost of the Corvettes. Sure, 70k is lot of money for a car. But they look/feel like a spaceship compared to the Bronco or Landcruiser at the same price.
rockaction
Footballguy
My brother had the 2022 Corvette. (Or was it 2021?)
I loved it. I thought it was sharp and that the ride was nice (for a passenger).
He liked it, but he said it wasn't intuitive to drive and that there were drawbacks. He wound up trading it in eventually because it was his "use" car for everyday life, and it just didn't fit with what he needed to do. He got a BMW to replace it. Thing ran nearly three digits to the left of the comma. Whoa. I get what they're saying when you ought to be prepared to spend a pretty penny on a car these days.
Hawks64
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They are in the "luxury" class, but they are much more performance focused than luxury focused, at least IMO.
Honestly, that's part of my problem. I have no idea really what I want.
I currently drive a GMC 2500 diesel truck with 36k miles that I use for pulling the 13,000 pound BBQ trailer.
It's incredible and I love it. Power to pull something that heavy but feels like a luxury car inside with heated seats and steering and such. The only downside is it's so big and can make parking tough sometimes if I'm downtown.
Plus it's still a 2500 truck so the ride isn't luxury smooth.
And while it's a beast, it's not especially "fun".
That's where Im drawn to a Bronco with a removable top. Living in Tennessee, I'd have a pretty wide window to have the top down.
Or something like a BMW 5 series sedan that would be more luxury. Or even a Corvette but just not sure that's my vibe.
I am also admittedly biased toward an American company. I realize some will think that's stupid, but it's my money.
So basically, I'm wandering.
culdeus
Footballguy
The Altima was ok but they sold so cheap and couldn't ever get any interest in their crossovers. I'm surprised Mitsubishi didn't have any interest
the moops
Footballguy
People really up here buying 150,000 dollar cars?
gianmarco
Footballguy
gianmarco
Footballguy
But seriously, that's the beauty of the C8 Corvette Stingray. Yeah, it's not the Z06 version, but it's still ridiculous performance at half the price and less than these Broncos and Raptors.
Greatest value for performance/"luxury".
I think I'm older than you, but how do you handle the "old guy having a mid life crisis in a Corvette" thing?
the moops
Footballguy
Own it. Don't pretend otherwise
gianmarco
Footballguy
You asked me this already before. It's not anything to handle because it's just not a thing unless you make it a thing.
Non-existent for me, no one has ever said anything, and it's not even the reason I have one.
dkp993
Footballguy
lol. I guess.
dkp993
Footballguy
I turn 50 this year. My mom was giving me grief about the car and mid-life crisis thing. Had to remind her it’s no different for me than it was when I was 20 or 30, the car is just nicer now. It’s more about the ability
Agreed 100%. Maybe because I’m a car guy it’s just different for me but I don’t really care what others think about it. I’m buying what I like for me and me alone (hell my wife doesn’t like the cars I buy for myself half the time). Other’s opinions have never bothered me. But I’m also that guy who at 25 was driving around in a mustang that set off car alarms when I drove past so I might not be the best example. Lol.
Osaurus
Footballguy
Just one?
Apologies as I didn't remember asking you before.
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I can see this. I'd like to think I don't care what others think but I'd likely be dishonest if I said that has zero factor.
There's also the element of the cost that projects something too. If I'm doing work at a homeless kitchen, rolling up in some cars vs others feel a little different. Again, I know maybe I shouldn't consider that but there is some element of it. Part of the cost thing though is related to my surprise on what cars cost I mentioned earlier. It seems crazy but the 2500 diesel truck to pull the BBQ trailer costs not much less than a Corvette. That seems wild. And some of the more expensive Jeeps and Broncos can cost more than a Corvette. That seems wild too.
Thanks. Which ones should I look into?
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You can match the acceleration of the Corvette while pulling your BBQ rig.
Psychopav
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For driveability without the bulk, if it were me I'd start by looking at Tesla Model X, the Lucid Air and maybe the Polestar. If you find any f those appealing the category will open up for you imo.
Psychopav
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PS make sure you are testing the "dual motor" aka "all wheel drive" versions and punch it to get the acceleration. Even in AWD, I think Tesla has different packages available (ludicrous speed or something like that) but any AWD version should be enough to give you an idea.
the moops
Footballguy
I am such a fan of Rivian. I am waiting on the R3X which should be out next year. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a63446975/rivian-r3x-future-cars/Rivian R1S Electric SUV: Price, Range & Features
Experience the Rivian R1S, a 7-seat electric SUV built for performance, luxury, sustainability and adventure. Explore specs, price, range and features today.
You can match the acceleration of the Corvette while pulling your BBQ rig.
Harry Frogfish
Footballguy
Oooh, I like that thing. Know nothing about Rivian.I am such a fan of Rivian. I am waiting on the R3X which should be out next year. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a63446975/rivian-r3x-future-cars/Rivian R1S Electric SUV: Price, Range & Features
Experience the Rivian R1S, a 7-seat electric SUV built for performance, luxury, sustainability and adventure. Explore specs, price, range and features today.
You can match the acceleration of the Corvette while pulling your BBQ rig.
the moops
Footballguy
Rivian is really leaning into the adventure EV market which is a smart move, IMO. Campgrounds already have 220V plugs for RVs, so charging is easy. Rivian installed fast chargers at Yosemite and Joshua Tree and at least at Yosemite it was free of charge. And I do know that @BassNBrew absolutely loves loves loves his RivianOooh, I like that thing. Know nothing about Rivian.I am such a fan of Rivian. I am waiting on the R3X which should be out next year. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a63446975/rivian-r3x-future-cars/Rivian R1S Electric SUV: Price, Range & Features
Experience the Rivian R1S, a 7-seat electric SUV built for performance, luxury, sustainability and adventure. Explore specs, price, range and features today.
You can match the acceleration of the Corvette while pulling your BBQ rig.
I am such a fan of Rivian. I am waiting on the R3X which should be out next year. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a63446975/rivian-r3x-future-cars/Rivian R1S Electric SUV: Price, Range & Features
Experience the Rivian R1S, a 7-seat electric SUV built for performance, luxury, sustainability and adventure. Explore specs, price, range and features today.
You can match the acceleration of the Corvette while pulling your BBQ rig.
Thanks. Why are you such a fan?
That will be a fun vehicle, unfortunately I think we are looking at 2028 or 2029. R2 will need to be a huge hit with minimal mis-steps if Rivian wants to stay afloat.I am such a fan of Rivian. I am waiting on the R3X which should be out next year. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a63446975/rivian-r3x-future-cars/Rivian R1S Electric SUV: Price, Range & Features
Experience the Rivian R1S, a 7-seat electric SUV built for performance, luxury, sustainability and adventure. Explore specs, price, range and features today.
You can match the acceleration of the Corvette while pulling your BBQ rig.
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