So the back ground: I have a dominant team which leads the league in total points. I am not matching up real well in the Super Bowl with my opponent as I have Peyton Manning who might sit the second half, and I have a hurt Fitz, and an injured Pierre Thomas. My opponent has McNabb fighting for a division crown, Andre Johnson vs. a lame Miami secondary, and Brandon Marshall recently off some highly productive games, as well as Vernon Davis. In a nutshell, not feeling confident I offered my opponent to split the 1st place and 2nd place prize right down the middle. The winner will still be crowned the champion and will get the trophy, it's just the money will be evenly divided. $500 will go to each of us, instead of $665 to the winner and $335 to the loser. My question is do you guys think this was a smart move on my part after sizing up the probability of me losing or do you think I should move to France and join my pansy #### bretheren?
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Chopping the Pot Before The Super Bowl (1 Viewer)
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Originally was going to vote pansy until I read the comment. When you are not favored to win and you have tough matchups, a bird in the hand might be worth more than two in the bush. Christmas time is here and a guaranteed 165 buck increase in payout is smart money. Good luck, I just won my Super Bowl last week but I was confident I was going to win.
Blue-Kun
Footballguy
As long as you both are trying to win the league, I don't see a big deal with splitting the cash and playing it out for the title. Of course I'm running with the assumption that bragging rights are as important as any monetary compensation you'd get out of this.
The only ways it's a pansy move is if you offered the split to feel less bad about potentially getting your ### kicked in the finals.
The only ways it's a pansy move is if you offered the split to feel less bad about potentially getting your ### kicked in the finals.
No, bragging rights are not part of the deal. My opponent I am talking about is my sister and believe me I want to bury her, but like the other guy said, Christmas is here and the guaranteed money is good. Ya, we are still fighting for family pride, and a cool trophy to drink a beer out of at next years draft party.
djjosee
Footballguy
I'm splitting the pot! I won the league championship and total points, the final is pretty even but clinching deciding factor is that the have people in town for the holidays and I want to spend time with the family rather than being some kind a spaz checking the stat line every 5 minutes (because I would).
Bragging rights are up for grabs.
Bragging rights are up for grabs.
Hey that is another excellent point that I forgot to include. It is Christmas weekend and I just want to relax and enjoy it and not be all nervous and on that fantasy football crack high. Doing it this way will help that imo.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Anyway, FWIW, its pretty common among poker deges. The PGA Tour outlawed it for being unethical, as it undermines the intent and purpose of open competition.To me it seems like something you would view through a prism that has formed based on your own value system.(e.g., personal preference, not an absolute right or wrong answer)We've all had different life experiences; the reader can decide which one is more in line with personal beliefs.
I never do this after it came back to bite me in the ### in a baseball league this past season. Just like you I didn't like my matchups for the week at all, and since the payout was split 80/20, the dropoff was huge. We chopped it, and I then proceeded to set a league record for scoring that week. So now I play it out and what happens happens. I see the side for taking the guaranteed money though as I used to feel the same way.
Fragis Frodum
Footballguy
:X
You play to win the game.
If $165 worries you that much, you need to find a new, less expensive and less stressful hobby. Perhaps needlepoint or sewing?
You play to win the game.
If $165 worries you that much, you need to find a new, less expensive and less stressful hobby. Perhaps needlepoint or sewing?
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Looks like its $330 to me and he's still playing to win the game. You think that now that the money is even he's not going to set a lineup or something? Your points make no sense to me.
You play to win the game.
If $165 worries you that much, you need to find a new, less expensive and less stressful hobby. Perhaps needlepoint or sewing?
Crusaderfan
Footballguy
It's Christmas, it's your sister, split the pot. You are already playing for the trophy but if you want to up it a little why not go - $600-$400. Then you are really only playing for $100 difference and you both get good money.
Enjoy your holiday
Enjoy your holiday
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
I typically don't have a problem with this and think it can be a smart move as long as A. It's an even matchup or you're favored to lose B. The difference between 1st and 2nd is significant
Best team doesn't always win particularly at this time of the year with obvious weather concerns all over the place and teams starting to rest players. Also makes some sense if the Championship game stresses you out some given its Xmas weekend.
Best team doesn't always win particularly at this time of the year with obvious weather concerns all over the place and teams starting to rest players. Also makes some sense if the Championship game stresses you out some given its Xmas weekend.
theplayer11
Footballguy
always have something riding on the game...If the pot is say $500 for the winner, $200 runner-up..I would go for $300 each with a $100 side wager...something like that...you want the gane to mean something, don't you?
fightingillini
Footballguy
Winning the title should mean extra money.
Summer Wheat
Footballguy
I have been in three leagues for over 10 years each.
If anyone even offered to chop the pot they would probably get something else chopped. You are in the finals and getting paid...Play the game!!
If anyone even offered to chop the pot they would probably get something else chopped. You are in the finals and getting paid...Play the game!!
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Ignoratio Elenchi
Footballguy
It's $165.Looks like its $330 to me and he's still playing to win the game. You think that now that the money is even he's not going to set a lineup or something? Your points make no sense to me.
You play to win the game.
If $165 worries you that much, you need to find a new, less expensive and less stressful hobby. Perhaps needlepoint or sewing?
Michael Fox Fan
Footballguy
This is explicitly a violation of my league's rulebook, so it wouldn't be allowed anyway. But yeah, it's a pansy move.
Maybe not, but they were funny!Looks like its $330 to me and he's still playing to win the game. You think that now that the money is even he's not going to set a lineup or something? Your points make no sense to me.
You play to win the game.
If $165 worries you that much, you need to find a new, less expensive and less stressful hobby. Perhaps needlepoint or sewing?
I'm going to start a fantasy needlepoint league. My only question is whether to post my threads about it here or in the FFA.
Futz
Footballguy
Our league's pot will pay close to $1,200 for 1st & 2nd combined. Personally, I'm probably too competitive to split the pot and I'd shoot for the motherload. However, in these tough economic times, I'd certainly wouldn't fault anyone for trying to spread some wealth. This type of cash can do a lot of good for a family.
Just sayin...
Just sayin...
Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
The game definitely means something. Years from now, do you think he'll be reminiscing over what he did with that extra $165? I doubt it. But I'll bet his sister will trash-talk him years from now if he loses, and vice-versa. I've played in leagues with family members, and while everyone thinks it's lame and you go easy on them or aren't competitive...they couldn't be more wrong. It's actually more competitive because it's a fun way to have a rivalry without it getting all serious and negative. He probably wants to defeat his sister more than anything, money or not. If his team loses, he's NEVER going to hear the end of it. It will come up at several family gatherings. The money is a small part of the game. If it's the only reason you play, I think the hobby has turned into a job. Chopping the pot is a great idea. You have some extra holiday cash and there's a big game still left to play.
I here what you're saying, and tend to agree, but people that are that strapped for cash probably shouldn't be playing for stakes high enough to garner that kind of payout. All 3 of my leagues are $50 entry fees and 50% or $300 for first. I could afford higher stakes, but chose not to because of the unpredictable nature of fantasy football. I do it for fun, and never for financial reasons. I'm in a championship game this weekend where the payout is $300/$100. I feel I am the favorite so I won't offer a chop, but if he came to me and offered say a $250/$150 split or even a $225/$175 split, I would probably consider it, because you really never know what's going to happen, because we have no control of these games. If you're still playing fantasy at this time of year, you likely have a good team and are playing against a good team, so I think there is a lot more luck involved in these games than there is in a regular season game against one of the lesser teams in your leagues. So after that long winded response, I say if it's going to help you spend more time with your family and less stress on a holiday weekend, the yes, go for it, split the pot.The guy who mentioned the prism was spot on, there is no right or wrong answer to this question.
Joey Joe Joe Jr.
Footballguy
This. My league pays winner everything except 2nd keeps his cash. I won't be chopping, but mainly because I'm favored and the pot is only $600. I play a lot of poker and we chop all the time, it's only a bad move if you get a bad split.
Trey
Footballguy
If your opponent approaches you, noting that he needs some extra cash around the holidays, and you refuse to come to some sort of split agreement I think you're an ###.
I personally would never ask for a split, but would agree to it if the other guy approached me. You never know what sort of financial situation they are in. An extra $150 could be big for them.
I personally would never ask for a split, but would agree to it if the other guy approached me. You never know what sort of financial situation they are in. An extra $150 could be big for them.
Not a pansy move at all. If I'm in the championship game and I want to split the pot rather than chance a lower payoff there's nothing wrong with that. I'm more risk-averse than a lot of other people and I will offer to split one of my championship pots this weekend. The other isn't big enough to make a difference so I'll just play that one out.
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Summer Wheat
Footballguy
I would never ask, nor accept an offer to spilt a pot.
You made it this far and are getting cash back win or lose. So you are ahead of the game already.
You made it this far and are getting cash back win or lose. So you are ahead of the game already.
Joey Joe Joe Jr.
Footballguy
Well that's one (unnecessarily simplistic) way to look at it.Edit- To elaborate, it's unnecessarily simplistic in part because it's not true. You would split a pot under certain circumstances. I guarantee it. Assuming you are rational, if your hypothetical pot was for a cool million, and you were a heavy underdog (say, 30% to win), and your opponent offered a 50/50 split, of course you'd take it.
I have no problem with those who see FF as an investment/gamble and act accordingly to maximize profit.
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Chargers86
Footballguy
Just split my pot before the championship. I am a Reggie Wayne owner. He's a Peyton Manning owner. Seemed liked a good deal for both of us.
Black&Gold
Footballguy
WTH would your sister do this? If my brother would ask this of me, I would tell him to prepare to be destroyed. I can't imagine asking my sister to do this. What a girl! It's fantasy football for Pete's sake. Man up and play the game. If you win great, if you lose....so be it. Your sister gets a nice Christmas present. I seriously don't know where you guys come from.
I usually want to win it all, but being laid off this month made me choose wisely and i have split 3 out of my 5 leagues. Guaranteed $500, split for $1100 and could have been $1600. Left $50+ in two of the leagues to play for next year's entry fee. Still playing for all in 2 other leagues, so made out i believe.
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What the other members of the league think doesn't matter. They didn't make it to the championship, so it isn't there money.When I make it to the championship, I usually offer some kind of deal. This year we just made it $325 to the winner and $225 to 2nd. It was $400 $150.It's your money, who cares what others think. I'd rather have bragging rights than a few more dollars.
Pooh Tong and Nemo
Footballguy
Bulldawg
Footballguy
Think it depends on the league.
I have done this in the past as a "sportsman" gesture.
This year I am splitting with the other team $600.00 each but the winner gets the extra $130.00 plus bragging rights.
This is in deference to $931.00 and $399.00 split.
Mostly friends and family in league.
I have done this in the past as a "sportsman" gesture.
This year I am splitting with the other team $600.00 each but the winner gets the extra $130.00 plus bragging rights.
This is in deference to $931.00 and $399.00 split.
Mostly friends and family in league.
steviey
Footballguy
This. The money should not be the primary motivating factor anyway. The money is likely gone with a couple weeks on the hydro bill or diapers, etc. Being the best in the league is forever. I like picking up the extra cash but winning is way more important to me.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Don't see how this concerns anyone but the two teams in the championship. If they decide they want to split why does anyone else care?
I think people should worry a little less about how others enjoy their fantasy football finals. I hope my opponent will split the pot with me but if he doesn't, oh well. I'm in the final, I'll make some money either way. I have about a 50/50 shot this weekend so my expected return is the same either way. I'd just rather have a sure result.
Gettin' Ziggy Wilf It
Footballguy
I would never split the pot 50/50, as a poker player and obvious fantasy football player I like to game for something. In most cases I would be willing to split, but only up to 60/40 at most.
Chairshot
Footballguy
Absolutely nothing wrong with a split. I've never done it, but I usually consider it if I make a championship game. And if the other owner wanted to, I'd definitely consider it, depending on the split.
The way I see it, the 1st/2nd place loot already belongs to the 2 owners in the finals. They can do what they want with it, as long as it doesn't harm the league. I see no way a fair split harms the league.
If I'm not playing for it, I have no claim to it, so it's none of my business.
The way I see it, the 1st/2nd place loot already belongs to the 2 owners in the finals. They can do what they want with it, as long as it doesn't harm the league. I see no way a fair split harms the league.
If I'm not playing for it, I have no claim to it, so it's none of my business.
AcerFC
Footballguy
Going up against my BIL. We split it but the winner takes home the transaction money (over 120) and the trophy and ring
I am not sure I would have split it if it wasnt family. The money really doesnt matter to me. I want my first championship. So I lose 150 if I win. I make up for it every time I look at the trophy on my mantle for the entire year
I am not sure I would have split it if it wasnt family. The money really doesnt matter to me. I want my first championship. So I lose 150 if I win. I make up for it every time I look at the trophy on my mantle for the entire year
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Summer Wheat
Footballguy
Gesture??Who even thinks of this? I have been playing FF for over 10 years in three leagues so that makes thirty title games. This topic have never even come up in my leagues.I have been in 8 title games. Won 3 and lost 5. Took my winnings and was happy be it large or small.
JMon348
Footballguy
Those of you playing with friends and family and are concerned about the money is surprising.
Last year I was heavily favored in the championship game and my opponent offered a 450/450 split. I took it because as you know anything could happen. My team under performed and he had Moss and Fitz. If you guys remember last years week 16, the Pats and Cards played in a snow game where Moss and Fitz both caught 75+ yard TDs in the 2nd half. So I ended up losing and have been hearing about it since. Its all about the bragging rights, the money is secondary.
This year I made it back and my opponent offered a 500 to the winner, 400 to the loser. Im a small favorite but it really didnt matter, I again agreed. I told him Id give up all the money if it means I win and become the champ.
Last year I was heavily favored in the championship game and my opponent offered a 450/450 split. I took it because as you know anything could happen. My team under performed and he had Moss and Fitz. If you guys remember last years week 16, the Pats and Cards played in a snow game where Moss and Fitz both caught 75+ yard TDs in the 2nd half. So I ended up losing and have been hearing about it since. Its all about the bragging rights, the money is secondary.
This year I made it back and my opponent offered a 500 to the winner, 400 to the loser. Im a small favorite but it really didnt matter, I again agreed. I told him Id give up all the money if it means I win and become the champ.
