ghostguy123
Footballguy
Hoffman is panther, panther is hoffman, finkle is einhorn
I like our moves. We didnt pay much and improved a lot.
I like our moves. We didnt pay much and improved a lot.
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Soulfly3
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ya but who is the owner, and landry is not a good wr, he kinda stinks, dont look at the stats dummy, they lie.
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Boston
Footballguy
I agree...I never liked Kizer but fully understood that pick...if they hit on it their rebuilding would be a million times easier...in their situation it was worth the risk...I do like how they are cutting ties ASAP...if they you don’t see anything too special in him you move on...
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dschuler
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Lots of people hating on Landry? 
He’s one of my favorite players in the league. You won’t find a guy that plays harder on every snap until the whistle, plowing DBs into the sidelines is a regular thing for him.
Anyone that watches the Dolphins sees how hard he plays, whether it’s a running play on the opposite side of the field or a pass, the guy is always giving it his all. And he’s put up good numbers on a bad offense. 
He’s one of my favorite players in the league. You won’t find a guy that plays harder on every snap until the whistle, plowing DBs into the sidelines is a regular thing for him.
Anyone that watches the Dolphins sees how hard he plays, whether it’s a running play on the opposite side of the field or a pass, the guy is always giving it his all. And he’s put up good numbers on a bad offense. 
beer 30
Footballguy
The people hating on Laundry are pantherclub. Disregard him.Lots of people hating on Landry?
daveR
Footballguy
He's basically Hines Ward 2.0.Lots of people hating on Landry?
He’s one of my favorite players in the league. You won’t find a guy that plays harder on every snap until the whistle, plowing DBs into the sidelines is a regular thing for him.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Arent their several excellent DBs available in free agency? Who would make sense to go after.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
I doubt they are done at QB in FA. Grab Tyrod now just in case they strike out with everyone else. This team is desperate to win. If Keenum or Bridgewater are not scooped up immediately they have the resources to bring in one of those guys and draft a QB if they wanted to. Tyrod, Keenum/Bridgewater, rookie at #4....then they are just hoping one pans out.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
MAC_32
Footballguy
MAC_32
Footballguy
I can't imagine why any remaining free agent qb would think signing here is a good idea.
daveR
Footballguy
bucksoh
Footballguy
massraider
Footballguy
I thought their moves were pretty solid. But you made such a strong argument, I have no choice but to admit I was mistaken.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Yeah, it's weird to bash what we did when we gave so little to do it, not to mention we haven't had a chance to use our 80+ million in cap space or the largest amount of draft capital ever.
The team had to add a real QB with NFL wins to the roster. It was a necessity. I am glad it only cost a 3rd rounder and maybe 15 million in cap space to get it done. It's not some great move, or really even a good move. It was a necessary move.
We needed a legit WR on the team. We did not have one until we traded for Landry considering we can't trust Gordon at this point, or Coleman.
We improved our secondary and paid about the equivalent of a 4th rounder. Kizer was not going to do anything here.
It's not like these are the only players we are adding to this roster. Fairly certain of that. Fairly certain picks 1,4,33,35,64 will go quite a long ways in terms of adding talent. That and the few other good FAs we might very well sign.
If Taylor, Landry, and Randall were on this team last year, we win 4-5 games. Maybe more. That's not great or anything, but we still have a long way to go with all these picks and cap
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pantherclub
Footballguy
Wait, why?
You are glad you gave up a 3rd rounder to win 4-5 games for one season? I guess I am not following especially considering you guys will be drafting one of the top prospects and it just seems more times than not that they end up starting their rookie season anyway.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
If I have to explain to you why it is a good thing to have a QB on the roster who has at least 1 win in the NFL, then you will just never get it. I mean, we all KNOW you don't get it as it is, but just letting you know.
It's perfectly fine if the rookie gets some starts this year. A trade like this doesn't have much to do with wins in 2018 for this particular organization. Again, if you don't get it, ya just don't get it. YOU do not get it, at all. Any of it.
Tell Hoffman we said hi.
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pantherclub
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No I dont get why you needed to trade a 3rd for a guy that you are hoping to get one year and 5 wins out of. Especially when you had 2 guys on the roster, one a 2nd round pick that would have served the same purpose. If you need some sort of veteran presence in teh locker room Derek Anderson is about to be available for nothing.
and I have no effing clue what Hoffman is.
ghostguy123
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pantherclub
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Peak
Footballguy
Interesting read into the new regime. Hue and Zampese lobbies for McCarron while Haley liked Taylor. Which did Dorsey listen to? 
QB Dominoes after CLE trades
QB Dominoes after CLE trades
massraider
Footballguy
The one trade for sure I don't like is the Kizer/Randall one. I don't understand the move. It's probably not a good QB room if it's Taylor/Kizer/rookie I suppose.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
??? I would've traded Kizer for a package of ziplock bags.
Worst NFL QB I've had the pleasure of watching. Brutal, brutal, brutal.
** obv a compounded feeling sicne he was forced to start almost every week
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daveR
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Soulfly3
Footballguy
you had the pelasure of watching him miss about 20-30 checkdown this season, right?
I swear, this guy couldnt hit open guys 10ft away. I've seen nothing like it.
Peak
Footballguy
Most likely think they can groom him better than Huey - which I'm sure they can do. This is an ideal spot for Kizer. He has potential, but needs a lot of time. He won't be rushed into things in GB, like he was in CLE. I think Kizer got the wrong end of the deal with Huey last season. He showed signs of being a good QB, and then the immaturity, lack of preparation, and poor decision making came into play. I wish him the best, and I can't imagine a better place to learn than behind Rodgers in GB.
RC94
Footballguy
IMO Kizer can and should improve significantly in GB. You can't place all of the blame on him. It was a no-win situation for him last year. Hue should have been fired.
However, interesting stat - last year, Browns QBs combined to throw 28 interceptions on 574 attempts, Taylor has thrown 18 INTs on 1,271 attempts in his entire career.
However, interesting stat - last year, Browns QBs combined to throw 28 interceptions on 574 attempts, Taylor has thrown 18 INTs on 1,271 attempts in his entire career.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Peak
Footballguy
Don't see CLE getting Cousins, and why Keenum? He's no more a long-term QB than Taylor. Taylor will make a good bridge - possibly long-term if Haley gets the best out of him. Keenum isn't a long-term option, IMO. Just hasn't succeeded anywhere more than he did with Shurmur. I'd be surprised if he didn't sign up with NYG.
Bobcat10
Footballguy
The 16M goes away after 1 season, correct?
This type of crap is like the people who tried so hard to argue against the Osweiler trade.
Bobcat10
Footballguy
beer 30
Footballguy
Hue shouldn’t have say in the QB decision at this point. He’s shown all we need to see when it comes to the position. We landed 3 starters in their prime for what he was willing to give up for a backup with very little NFL experience. You go sit in the corner and watch the real guys work Hue, thanks.Interesting read into the new regime. Hue and Zampese lobbies for McCarron while Haley liked Taylor. Which did Dorsey listen to?
QB Dominoes after CLE trades
I wish the kid well, think he got a raw deal here regardless of his talent level which I think is better than what we saw in CLE because the coach is a schmuck. I don’t think he’s waltzing into Canton but I think he’s better than what we saw here.
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Brunell4MVP
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They have an 8-8 roster. But they have a 0-16 head coach. Too bad coaching matters in the NFL.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Can someone give a good argument for the Shelton trade or explain it?
MAC_32
Footballguy
Browns plan to sign too many guys to expect comp picks. He's a decent 2 down player, but the option isn't getting picked up, he isn't getting extended, and there are some young pieces ready to replace him.
But I also expect a DT signed next week, one that can get to the passer.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Yep. Seriously, I can't think of any other franchise in the NFL that would bring back a head coach who went 1-31 over the previous two seasons.
BassNBrew
Footballguy
Someone supporting this trade suggested that he's a good player but not worth the money so it was a good trade. Strangely enough someone else said Landry is a good player but not worth the money but since we have money to spend it was a good trade.
In reality the Pats get an early 5th this year for a late 3rd next year. Usually a pick later is worth a +1 round in the current year. Basically the Pats swapped draft picks to acquire a player.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
didnt we give a late 5th?
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Legal tampering period starts tomorrow eh? 
Seems silly. They should just open it up as soon as the super bowl is over. Everyone knows everyone is talking to everyone anyway. Plus it would create more interest. Win win.
Seems silly. They should just open it up as soon as the super bowl is over. Everyone knows everyone is talking to everyone anyway. Plus it would create more interest. Win win.
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-OZ-
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The only reason he wouldn't be the top pick, before or after the combine, is if you don't think a running back is ever worth taking #1 overall.
Considering the last RB to go #1 overall and prove to be worth it to the team drafting him was Earl Campbell, that's not an altogether horrible perspective, which seems to be shared by most teams. Billy Sims was a fine player but Munoz would have been a better pick, Bo was great later but not worth the pick to the Bucs. (He's an outlier for other reasons which don't apply to Barkley, but still a bad pick at the time).
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MAC_32
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I put very little value in draft picks beyond early round 4. It obviously depends on the class, but usually that's when the well of starters drys up and you enter the world of role players, guys needing development, and cancers. Every team is going to have a guy or three they really like, but there isn't a whole lot of difference between those guys and udfa.
