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[MAC_32]

Stealing some of my thunder from the bold prediction thread, Grossi is on Rizzo's show talking about the possibility of Philly trading up to #4 to grab Tannehill. Browns would get their number 1 (#15) and both their number 2's (#47 and #51).

Browns would end up with #15, #22, #37, #47 and #51.

Thoughts?

I'd hope to still see Floyd on the board to take at 15.22 probably RT.

Then you go RB, QB, defense?

Or swap some around depending on who is still on the board.

We have many holes to fill in, and this definitely lets us fill in some holes.

The only questiion is does it give us elite playmakers.

At 4 there is a better chance of getting an elite play maker.

I'm not buying this rumor at all, but pretending it is possible if we ended up with all of those picks we're trading back up for Floyd - not gambling on him falling. Then we probably have specific targets in mind in the top 50. I hope those guys are OT's and RB's and as long as those guys are not Adams and Wilson I'll probably be happy. Once we've gotten those guys we'll use our remaining early picks to trade back and add more picks in 2013. With 8 picks in the first 4 rounds if we go WR, RB, OT I hope we use those 5 remaining picks to get 2-3 more players (CB capable of playing outside and another body or two up front) and use the remaining ones to stockpile 2013.

Use the late picks to get competition for project QB, 5th WR, backup S, backup LB, DL + OL depth.

 

[daveR]

The "looking at that schedule, we'll be lucky to win 5 games" shtick is getting old.

What Schtick? That is what I see when I look at the schedule...tired of being optimistic and getting disappointed every year, so I guess if I aim low, I can only be impressed if they do better?Seriously though, the schedule looks tough. Indy is the only game that I definitely see us winning, and even that could be in jeopardy depending on how Luck does (still pretty sure we win that one).

The only two non-division playoff teams from last year are NYG and DEN. Yes the schedule "looks tough" because none of the NFCE/AFCW teams are terrible, but are OAK and KC really that scary? WAS with their rookie QB? Even if he is Cam2.0, Carolina only won 6 games last year. SD, PHI, DAL, and even the regular season NYG are all nice teams on paper... how did they all do last year? The 'shtick' that GLM is talking about is looking at the schedule before the draft even takes place (let alone minicamps, training camp, and preseason) and deciding that ZOMG ITS THE TOUGHEST EVER!!! What if the Browns draft some weapons, add a running game, and Colt starts to look like he did vs NE and NYJ 2 years ago? What if P Manning re-injures his neck in preseason - you afraid of Denver then? There's only a few hundred things that are going to happen between today and September before we truly see how scary the schedule is.

I don't think of the schedule as "scary". The problem is, there are very few teams on it that are not better than the Browns. So, if predicting W/L, you cannot say "win" for those. You would have to say, "Maybe. If we get a couple breaks we can make it close." All-in-all, we are a poor team playing a lot of avg-to-good teams.

 

[Multiple Scores]

Browns would be better served getting a blue chip player. The fact they have zero elite studs is why they suck every year. Collecting good but not elite players seems like their recipe for failure. Take Richardson or Claiborne. Going down to 15 from 4 to pick up 2nds sounds dumb.

 

[mr fancypants]

Stealing some of my thunder from the bold prediction thread, Grossi is on Rizzo's show talking about the possibility of Philly trading up to #4 to grab Tannehill. Browns would get their number 1 (#15) and both their number 2's (#47 and #51).

Browns would end up with #15, #22, #37, #47 and #51.

Thoughts?

YES, please!!

NO, Please. I gotta believe Heckert can get more than 2 mid 2nd round picks for the 4th overall pick. This is like giving the blue light special for that high of a pick and dropping down 11 spots.

 

[Captain Quinoa]

Browns would be better served getting a blue chip player. The fact they have zero elite studs is why they suck every year. Collecting good but not elite players seems like their recipe for failure. Take Richardson or Claiborne. Going down to 15 from 4 to pick up 2nds sounds dumb.

 

[GreatLakesMike]

I doubt it happens, but love the idea of trading with Philly. I also agree that Heckert should be able to get a bit more, maybe add another 2nd in 2013.

Agree with Mac32 that if this trade did happen, then the Browns could really shore up the offensive line and running game.

 

[Fallerjw]

Taking out picks 22 and 37, which looks better:

4: Richardson / Claiborne / Blackmon

or

15: DeCastro / Rieff / Floyd

46: Zach Brown / Vinny Curry / RB (Doug Martin) / Bobby Wagner

51: Silatolu / Dennard / Schwartz / Dwayne Allen / Andre Branch

I'd love to get a stud at pick 4, but I also like the idea of getting 5 of the top 51 picks and filling more of the holes the Browns have.

 

[wadegarrett]

Taking out picks 22 and 37, which looks better:4: Richardson / Claiborne / Blackmonor15: DeCastro / Rieff / Floyd46: Zach Brown / Vinny Curry / RB (Doug Martin) / Bobby Wagner51: Silatolu / Dennard / Schwartz / Dwayne Allen / Andre Branch I'd love to get a stud at pick 4, but I also like the idea of getting 5 of the top 51 picks and filling more of the holes the Browns have.

Think we should stick at 4. Have plenty of picks to add depth this year. Time to take an elite/stud player.

 

[mr fancypants]

Don't get me wrong, I honestly believe Heckert has something up his sleeve. I remember reading somewhere before that he doesn't like drafting within the top 10 (of course that was before when rookies when being paid exorbitant amounts). I know he has to have his board ready and it would not surprise me that somehow we end up with another 2nd round pick and possibly another 1st round pick next year. He's got the eye for talent and I think he's been the best thing to happen to this franchise since it's return in 1999.

 

[wadegarrett]

Don't get me wrong, I honestly believe Heckert has something up his sleeve. I remember reading somewhere before that he doesn't like drafting within the top 10 (of course that was before when rookies when being paid exorbitant amounts). I know he has to have his board ready and it would not surprise me that somehow we end up with another 2nd round pick and possibly another 1st round pick next year. He's got the eye for talent and I think he's been the best thing to happen to this franchise since it's return in 1999.

That and the rookie salary scale.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Taking out picks 22 and 37, which looks better:4: Richardson / Claiborne / Blackmonor15: DeCastro / Rieff / Floyd46: Zach Brown / Vinny Curry / RB (Doug Martin) / Bobby Wagner51: Silatolu / Dennard / Schwartz / Dwayne Allen / Andre Branch I'd love to get a stud at pick 4, but I also like the idea of getting 5 of the top 51 picks and filling more of the holes the Browns have.

My preference for the Browns would be 1) trade down, 2) take Richardson, 3) take Blackmon. I don't think I'd like them using a high first at CB for a 2nd time in 3 years, especially since there will be quality corners available later.

 

[nxmehta]

Since when is the only way to get an elite stud player by drafting in the top 4? How did Aaron Curry work out? Gaines Adams? Dewayne Robertson, anyone?

Come draft season people have this crazy notion that only the top 5 or so picks are the ELITE STUDS and everyone else is just a crapshoot. The reality is the top 5 is also a crapshoot. These aren't some magic players that are 100% locks to be all-pros. I'd think you'd have a better chance to grab a stud with more high picks, not just with one high pick.

I'd be just fine with this trade.

 

[Faust]

Draft guru: Browns 'targeting' QB Weeden

By Marc Sessler NFL.com

Writer

Over and over, the Cleveland Browns have voiced support for Colt McCoy this offseason, but the team is simultaneously viewed by many as a possible landing spot for Texas A&M's Ryan Tannehill or Oklahoma State's Brandon Weeden, two of the top quarterback prospects in this month's draft.

Pro Football Weekly analyst Nolan Nawrocki doesn't believe the Browns are sold on McCoy. Come draft day, Nawrocki sees Cleveland striking out to bring in some serious competition.

"I do think Weeden is a guy they are targeting, and whether they select him with the 22nd or the 37th pick, I think he would definitely bring more size to that position," Nawrocki told the Akron Beacon Journal. "He ran a similar style offense at Oklahoma State. I think he's flown under the radar a little bit.

"Whether he goes in the back of the first round or the early second, I think there's a good chance he'll be a top-40 pick and he can definitely bring more of a downfield threat than Colt McCoy currently brings. I think that's what they'd like to do with that offense."

Weeden's age (he's 28 and already four years older than McCoy) remains the primary knock on a passer with the ability to spread the ball all over on the field. He played with a fair amount of grit and toughness in college and thrived when paired with receiver Justin Blackmon.

The Browns face a decision with their NFL-leading 13 draft picks: (1) Move forward with McCoy and -- at last -- surround him with some weapons; or (2) go in another direction at quarterback (again).

One warning to those hoping McCoy is shoved aside: The current Browns roster isn't going to make Weeden or Tannehill -- or anyone else -- look much better than the last dozen passers wheeled through the organization until legitimate pro talent is brought in to support the most important position in sports.

 

[beer 30]

Stealing some of my thunder from the bold prediction thread, Grossi is on Rizzo's show talking about the possibility of Philly trading up to #4 to grab Tannehill. Browns would get their number 1 (#15) and both their number 2's (#47 and #51).

Browns would end up with #15, #22, #37, #47 and #51.

Thoughts?

Don't do it, I thought they did a great job illustrating throughout the remainder of the show just how irrelevant those picks have been over the last 10 years. No, no, no!Conversely, Go back and look at the last 10 years of the #4 pick:

A.J. Green - 2011

Trent Williams - 2010

Aaron Curry - 2009

Darren McFadden - 2008

Gaines Adams - 2007

D'Brickashaw Ferguson - 2006

Cedric Benson - 2005

Philip Rivers - 2004

Dewayne Robertson - 2003

Mike Williams - 2002

Justin Smith - 2001

Not all Pro Bowlers but certainly more than the two #2 picks we are talking about

Browns would be better served getting a blue chip player. The fact they have zero elite studs is why they suck every year. Collecting good but not elite players seems like their recipe for failure. Take Richardson or Claiborne. Going down to 15 from 4 to pick up 2nds sounds dumb.

Take Richardson and don't look back. There is a reason why we are picking 4th and no one in the league with a hint of talent considers Cleveland a stopping off spot in their careers.

 

[lbouchard]

I'm not a Browns fan, but I thought I would chime in. I would rather take Claiborne at 4 then TRich. RB is devalued today, and even Peterson wasn't picked til 7. As good as he is, TRich isn't as good as prospect as AP. The league is now a passing league, and if the Browns had Claiborne and Haden, that would instantly make them one of the best secondarys in football.

 

[Orlando RMF]

I'm not a Browns fan, but I thought I would chime in. I would rather take Claiborne at 4 then TRich. RB is devalued today, and even Peterson wasn't picked til 7. As good as he is, TRich isn't as good as prospect as AP. The league is now a passing league, and if the Browns had Claiborne and Haden, that would instantly make them one of the best secondarys in football.

Umm, we have no runningback? We could pick one up in the second round, but Richardson is more than just hype, but agree no one is a lock. The Browns were 5th in the least defensive points allowed, that is actually pretty good. However they were the 3rd least scoring offense. Defense may win championships but you have to at least put points on the board to win games. Get us some offensive playmakers!!!

 

[MAC_32]

I'm not a Browns fan, but I thought I would chime in. I would rather take Claiborne at 4 then TRich. RB is devalued today, and even Peterson wasn't picked til 7. As good as he is, TRich isn't as good as prospect as AP. The league is now a passing league, and if the Browns had Claiborne and Haden, that would instantly make them one of the best secondarys in football.

Rich is a better prospect than All Day was imho.I'm still at odds about whether I want him or not. If you told me how the rest of the draft played out right now I could answer, but you can't do that unfortunately. I think we can have a capable backfield with Miller or Martin leading it, or even a 1-2 combo like Pierce and James, but Rich just kind of takes care of the whole situation. There's comfort in that, but it hurts us elsewhere in so doing.

 

[nxmehta]

Don't do it, I thought they did a great job illustrating throughout the remainder of the show just how irrelevant those picks have been over the last 10 years. No, no, no!

Conversely, Go back and look at the last 10 years of the #4 pick:A.J. Green - 2011Trent Williams - 2010Aaron Curry - 2009Darren McFadden - 2008Gaines Adams - 2007D'Brickashaw Ferguson - 2006Cedric Benson - 2005Philip Rivers - 2004Dewayne Robertson - 2003Mike Williams - 2002Justin Smith - 2001

Last 10 years of #15 pick:Mike Pouncey - 2011Jason Pierre-Paul - 2010Brian Cushing - 2009Branden Albert - 2008Lawrence Timmons - 2007Brodrick Bunkley - 2006Derrick Johnson - 2005Michael Clayton - 2004Jerome McDougle - 2003Albert Haynesworth - 2002Rod Gardner - 2001Deltha O'Neal - 2000Looks like a toss up to me. Maybe a slight advantage to the #4 because of Rivers.Your argument is not convincing

 

[Multiple Scores]

Don't do it, I thought they did a great job illustrating throughout the remainder of the show just how irrelevant those picks have been over the last 10 years. No, no, no!

Conversely, Go back and look at the last 10 years of the #4 pick:A.J. Green - 2011Trent Williams - 2010Aaron Curry - 2009Darren McFadden - 2008Gaines Adams - 2007D'Brickashaw Ferguson - 2006Cedric Benson - 2005Philip Rivers - 2004Dewayne Robertson - 2003Mike Williams - 2002Justin Smith - 2001

Last 10 years of #15 pick:Mike Pouncey - 2011Jason Pierre-Paul - 2010Brian Cushing - 2009Branden Albert - 2008Lawrence Timmons - 2007Brodrick Bunkley - 2006Derrick Johnson - 2005Michael Clayton - 2004Jerome McDougle - 2003Albert Haynesworth - 2002Rod Gardner - 2001Deltha O'Neal - 2000Looks like a toss up to me. Maybe a slight advantage to the #4 because of Rivers.Your argument is not convincing

The good 15 guys are LB and Center. The good 4 guys are QB, WR and OT. When you consider that the argument is very convincing.

 

[wadegarrett]

Since when is the only way to get an elite stud player by drafting in the top 4? How did Aaron Curry work out? Gaines Adams? Dewayne Robertson, anyone?Come draft season people have this crazy notion that only the top 5 or so picks are the ELITE STUDS and everyone else is just a crapshoot. The reality is the top 5 is also a crapshoot. These aren't some magic players that are 100% locks to be all-pros. I'd think you'd have a better chance to grab a stud with more high picks, not just with one high pick.I'd be just fine with this trade.

I don't think I'd mind a trade down at all.But I'll also take my chances on a guy who spent the last 2 years running over SEC defenses. Thought I heard he only fumbled once also.Bottom line is the Browns are going to get an infusion of good young talent for the second year in a row.

 

[Donnybrook]

Browns would be better served getting a blue chip player. The fact they have zero elite studs is why they suck every year. Collecting good but not elite players seems like their recipe for failure. Take Richardson or Claiborne. Going down to 15 from 4 to pick up 2nds sounds dumb.

In the non-fantasy world, I wonder who will contribute more to their respective team’s offense this year: Mark Ingram or Demarco Murray.

 

[nxmehta]

Browns would be better served getting a blue chip player. The fact they have zero elite studs is why they suck every year. Collecting good but not elite players seems like their recipe for failure. Take Richardson or Claiborne. Going down to 15 from 4 to pick up 2nds sounds dumb.

In the non-fantasy world, I wonder who will contribute more to their respective team’s offense this year: Mark Ingram or Demarco Murray.

But wait, Ingram was picked higher than Murray- he's an ELITE STUD!

 

[Dez]

How many years are the Browns going to trade out of getting an elite player ? All we do is trade down to "stock pile" picks how has that worked out the last 5 years ?

 

[MAC_32]

How many years are the Browns going to trade out of getting an elite player ? All we do is trade down to "stock pile" picks how has that worked out the last 5 years ?

Real unfair to criticize them for drafts before Heckertt got here, think I said it at the time but Mangini's draft set us back a long ways. We are getting to the point in which we probably shouldn't trade down though, I'm thinking that's next year though. I think we need to balance this year vs. next year because we need to hedge on needing ammo to move up and get a QB next year if Colt doesn't step up. If a good trade down is offered to us I think we should take it**As long as said trade down doesn't mean one of Mike Adams, Stephen Hill, Alshon Jeffrey, Reuben Randle, and David Wilson is on our team AND we address RB, WR, and RT in the first 50-70 picks

 

[Donnybrook]

Peter King tweet:

Mock-drafted out. Have talked to 7 highly trustworthy NFL people today. And I can tell you this: No one knows what Cleveland's doing at 4.

 

[The Man With No Name]

Peter King tweet:

Mock-drafted out. Have talked to 7 highly trustworthy NFL people today. And I can tell you this: No one knows what Cleveland's doing at 4.

Cool

 

[beer 30]

Your argument is not convincing

Worked for me

The good 15 guys are LB and Center. The good 4 guys are QB, WR and OT. When you consider that the argument is very convincing.

Peter King tweet:

Mock-drafted out. Have talked to 7 highly trustworthy NFL people today. And I can tell you this: No one knows what Cleveland's doing at 4.

GB our boys in Berea!

 

[nxmehta]

Your argument is not convincing

Worked for me

The good 15 guys are LB and Center. The good 4 guys are QB, WR and OT.

When you consider that the argument is very convincing.

Sorry, this argument is just plain idiotic. Want some elite offensive players? Clearly, there is only ONE thing we should do... wait for it... wait for it..."With the 4th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, the Cleveland Browns trade down to the 24th pick"

History of the 24th pick:

Cameron Jordan - 2011

Dez Bryant - 2010

Peria Jerry - 2009

Chris Johnson - 2008

Brandon Merriweather - 2007

Jonathan Joseph - 2006

Aaron Rodgers - 2005

Steven Jackson - 2004

Dallas Clark - 2003

Ed Reed - 2002

Willie Middlebrooks - 2001

How do Green, Mcfadden, Rivers, Ferguson look compared to Bryant, Johnson, Jackson, Clark, and AARON RODGERS? Also, Ed Reed is in there, but we'll just ignore the hall of fame defensive player since you want offense (we'll also ignore Joseph, an All-Pro corner). Hell, you can field an entire All-Pro NFL offense with a couple years of the 24 pick.

Am I cherrypicking some really good draft spots? Yes. That's the point. There is nothing magic about the #4 spot that will guarantee you a good player. The first round, like any round in the draft, is a crapshoot. You have a MUCH better chance of picking someone good in rounds 1 and 2, but the #4 pick will not keep you safe by itself. Trading down is NOT the same thing as passing on an elite player. #4 is not magically elite. Lower 1st round picks are not magically un-elite. There are studs in the bottom of the 1st round. There are bums at the top of the 1st round.

This kind of silliness always happens come draft time. People see early first round studs get hyped up and they think "these are the only ELITE players!".

 

[Multiple Scores]

Your argument is not convincing

Worked for me

The good 15 guys are LB and Center. The good 4 guys are QB, WR and OT.

When you consider that the argument is very convincing.

Sorry, this argument is just plain idiotic. Want some elite offensive players? Clearly, there is only ONE thing we should do... wait for it... wait for it..."With the 4th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, the Cleveland Browns trade down to the 24th pick"

History of the 24th pick:

Cameron Jordan - 2011

Dez Bryant - 2010

Peria Jerry - 2009

Chris Johnson - 2008

Brandon Merriweather - 2007

Jonathan Joseph - 2006

Aaron Rodgers - 2005

Steven Jackson - 2004

Dallas Clark - 2003

Ed Reed - 2002

Willie Middlebrooks - 2001

How do Green, Mcfadden, Rivers, Ferguson look compared to Bryant, Johnson, Jackson, Clark, and AARON RODGERS? Also, Ed Reed is in there, but we'll just ignore the hall of fame defensive player since you want offense (we'll also ignore Joseph, an All-Pro corner). Hell, you can field an entire All-Pro NFL offense with a couple years of the 24 pick.

Am I cherrypicking some really good draft spots? Yes. That's the point. There is nothing magic about the #4 spot that will guarantee you a good player. The first round, like any round in the draft, is a crapshoot. You have a MUCH better chance of picking someone good in rounds 1 and 2, but the #4 pick will not keep you safe by itself. Trading down is NOT the same thing as passing on an elite player. #4 is not magically elite. Lower 1st round picks are not magically un-elite. There are studs in the bottom of the 1st round. There are bums at the top of the 1st round.

This kind of silliness always happens come draft time. People see early first round studs get hyped up and they think "these are the only ELITE players!".

How many elite players will there be in hindsight 3-5 years from now, and who will they be? Nobody Knows. As of today there are 5 or 6. They are Luck, RG3, Kalil, Richardson, Claiborne. Blackmon is the 6th and that is debatable.

Do you disagree with any of this?

 

[Wyld Stallyns]

Peter King tweet:

Mock-drafted out. Have talked to 7 highly trustworthy NFL people today. And I can tell you this: No one knows what Cleveland's doing at 4.

Sadly, neither does Cleveland.

 

[MAC_32]

How many elite players will there be in hindsight 3-5 years from now, and who will they be? Nobody Knows. As of today there are 5 or 6. They are Luck, RG3, Kalil, Richardson, Claiborne. Blackmon is the 6th and that is debatable. Do you disagree with any of this?

I think Floyd, Wright, Martin, and Miller will be very, very good. I'm not confident anyone after them WILL be, but there will be some good ones and I have my favorites. I think both Richardson and Blackmon are a step above the 4 guys I mentioned but if you told me I could have 2 of the Floyd/Wright/Martin/Miller group by trading down I'd definitely take the 2nd group. Trading down can make sure it happens while also addressing our other needs at RT, CB, front 7, and OG. If we don't trade down we can't address those other issues too. I don't think the difference between Richardson and Blackmon justifies that. And it's not because I dislike them, I really really like both, it's because I like the others.If the Browns were just missing a play maker away from contention it'd be a completely different story, but clearly that's not the case.

 

[nxmehta]

How many elite players will there be in hindsight 3-5 years from now, and who will they be? Nobody Knows.

As of today there are 5 or 6. They are Luck, RG3, Kalil, Richardson, Claiborne. Blackmon is the 6th and that is debatable.

Do you disagree with any of this?

I would agree that as of today, the media consensus is that there are 5-6 elite players. These are projected, hypothetical elite players. I would also agree that we don't know who will be actual elite players.The question is, do you want hypothetical elite players or actual elite players? If you want actual ones, they can be found all over the first round, you don't have to pick at #4. If you compare 4 + 22 vs 15 + 22, I would argue that the probability of finding an elite player isn't that different. You can look at picks over the years in the first round and roughly see that this is true. If I was really motivated I could calculate the hit rate at every draft slot and we could see the actual numbers.

What really matters is how good your scouting dept and GM are. And Heckert & Co are pretty good so far.

 

[nxmehta]

Ok, I was interested, so here's the probability of picking a Pro Bowl player based on draft slot in the 1st round, from 2001-2011:

Pick Success1 54%2 54%3 54%4 36%5 54%6 27%7 36%8 36%9 45%10 18%11 63%12 54%13 27%14 36%15 36%16 36%17 18%18 18%19 27%20 18%21 45%22 9%23 36%24 63%25 18%26 18%27 54%28 18%29 18%30 27%31 18%32 9%
Picking a Pro Bowler isn't the greatest criteria, but it's easy to count. You can see fairly clearly that there is a minor difference in picking 1-4 versus 8-12 for example, but it's not life and death. You can get elite players all over the board. So please stop panicking at the thought of the Browns passing on a (media hyped) "can't miss" prospect. They can miss, and you can hit later. And it's not even improbable.

For the , the correlation coefficient is -0.5, which means draft slot and success rate is correlated, but it's not super strong.

 

[rizzler]

Ok, I was interested, so here's the probability of picking a Pro Bowl player based on draft slot in the 1st round, from 2001-2011:

Pick    Success1       54%2       54%3       54%4       36%5       54%6       27%7       36%8       36%9       45%10      18%11      63%12      54%13      27%14      36%15      36%16      36%17      18%18      18%19      27%20      18%21      45%22      9%23      36%24      63%25      18%26      18%27      54%28      18%29      18%30      27%31      18%32      9%

Picking a Pro Bowler isn't the greatest criteria, but it's easy to count. You can see fairly clearly that there is a minor difference in picking 1-4 versus 8-12 for example, but it's not life and death. You can get elite players all over the board. So please stop panicking at the thought of the Browns passing on a (media hyped) "can't miss" prospect. They can miss, and you can hit later. And it's not even improbable.

Mind separating those percentages into Offensive pro bowlers VS Defensive pro bowlers?Considering this team needs OFFENSIVE weapons, I couldnt give a rats #### really as to what % of defensive players went to the bowl at later picks.Thanks man

 

[beer 30]

This kind of silliness always happens come draft time. People see early first round studs get hyped up and they think "these are the only ELITE players!".

Fair enough, you've made a compelling argument so I guess we'll see who ends up on the right side of it. I disagree but then that's what we do here. I think this team absolutely needs some offensive fire power and Richardson is the only viable pick that will available at #4. When I hear "can't miss" next to somebodies name as many times as I've heard it with his I'm good.And for the record, while I wouldn't be jumping off the couch screaming about it, if the Browns went with Claiborne at #4 I'd be fine with that as well. I just have no desire to see them trade out of one of the top spots again to stockpile another pick or two that may or may not work out.

 

[nxmehta]

Heard Blackmon on the radio with Hooley... guy sounds like an #######

 

[MAC_32]

Heard Blackmon on the radio with Hooley... guy sounds like an #######

Heard the same. Bull & Fox too. If he's one of the guys that had his agent leak that he doesn't want to go to Cleveland then well played by Blackmon to make sure it doesn't happen. Any public pressure to pick him just went out the window. If not, I'll chalk it up to he is a wide receiver, don't pay any attention to anything he says, just what he does on the field. Not gonna judge a guy solely on having a bad day on the radio when he is inevitably burned out from doing all these interviews.

 

[beer 30]

Heard Blackmon on the radio with Hooley... guy sounds like an #######

Missed it, I flip to Columbus radio when Hooley comes on. What did he say that came off so bad?

 

[wadegarrett]

Heard Blackmon on the radio with Hooley... guy sounds like an #######

Heard it too. What a total dickbag. I don't want him anywhere near Cleveland.

 

[rizzler]

I'd like to be one of the first to THANK Blackmon, for blowing his shot at coming to the Browns.

You're nowhere near a #4 talent.

See ya.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

I'd like to be one of the first to THANK Blackmon, for blowing his shot at coming to the Browns.You're nowhere near a #4 talent. See ya.

He's about the same WR as Greg Little, it wouldn't make sense. Trent Richardson is the Browns pick.

 

[rizzler]

I'd like to be one of the first to THANK Blackmon, for blowing his shot at coming to the Browns.

You're nowhere near a #4 talent.

See ya.

He's about the same WR as Greg Little, it wouldn't make sense. Trent Richardson is the Browns pick.

It's the only move that both effs over the Rams and revamps our offense in one swoop. As Ive said over and over, I was on board w Claiborne until I saw our offseason free agent (non)purchases. Now, it has to be TRich.

 

[daveR]

I'll support them whatever they do, whomever they choose, (like I have a choice, eh?) but my preference would be...

1) Kalil

2) Claiborne

3) TRich

 

[GreatLakesMike]

Heard Blackmon on the radio with Hooley... guy sounds like an #######

I'll say it again, I miss Hooley down here in Central Ohio.

 

[GreatLakesMike]

I'd like to be one of the first to THANK Blackmon, for blowing his shot at coming to the Browns.You're nowhere near a #4 talent. See ya.

He's about the same WR as Greg Little, it wouldn't make sense. Trent Richardson is the Browns pick.

I trust Heckert, but I tend to agree with Benson in that Little and Blackmon are very similar. If Wright is as good as billed, then I tend to think that a Richardson/Wright 1st round would be much better than a Blackmon/Wilson first round. Assuming Heckert sits pat in the 1st round and drafts skill position for the offense.Stud RB/Stretch the field WR.

 

[beer 30]

I'll support them whatever they do, whomever they choose, (like I have a choice, eh?) but my preference would be... 1) Kalil2) Claiborne3) TRich

I respect everyone's opinion here, especially this thread since we are all Browns fans (it makes you a little "special" to begin with).That said, you crazy man

 

[Bobcat10]

I'm all in on Richardson again. Wouldn't be opposed to a trade down or Claiborne though. If we moved to 6, and we're left staring at Blackmon and Tannehill, I'd still want Blackmon there even after the interview, but would prefer another trade down into the 9-15 range. Nothing is certain in the draft, especially saying Blackmon is gonna be that much better than a guy like Floyd in the NFL. I'd take my chances with Floyd and alot of extra (good) picks while using some of the ammo later on to get back up to spots in the 3rd/4th where we really want a guy. I don't think we're in position to get a 2013 1st rounder unless we're trading farther back from 4.

 

[NJDawgPound]

I'd like to be one of the first to THANK Blackmon, for blowing his shot at coming to the Browns.You're nowhere near a #4 talent. See ya.

He's about the same WR as Greg Little, it wouldn't make sense. Trent Richardson is the Browns pick.

One of the pundits referred to Blackmon as a similar talent as Anquan Boldin. We already have a similar talent: Greg Little (you are right). We need a Larry Fitzgerald, not two Anquan Boldins. Blackmon doesn't fit the bill, and I'm beginning to think that Michael Floyd may be the better prospect. Not at 4 though. Richardson it is. Reuben Randle is a popular mock draft choice for us at 37.

 

[MAC_32]

I'd like to be one of the first to THANK Blackmon, for blowing his shot at coming to the Browns.You're nowhere near a #4 talent. See ya.

He's about the same WR as Greg Little, it wouldn't make sense. Trent Richardson is the Browns pick.

One of the pundits referred to Blackmon as a similar talent as Anquan Boldin. We already have a similar talent: Greg Little (you are right). We need a Larry Fitzgerald, not two Anquan Boldins. Blackmon doesn't fit the bill, and I'm beginning to think that Michael Floyd may be the better prospect. Not at 4 though. Richardson it is. Reuben Randle is a popular mock draft choice for us at 37.

Randle? Floyd isn't any more Fitzgerald than Blackmon. There isn't a Fitzgerland/Calvin/Andre in this class. I think there are 3 future great WR's, but not elite ones. Pick one.Any of Randle, Alshon, and Hill at picks 22 or 37 would be like taking Tannehill at 4. It's like being the guy at the bar at last call. You want to get some, but it’s not going to be pretty. Better off to just go after the girl who’s an 8 earlier in the night and hope it will be awesome or call it quits and look elsewhere than find yourself doing shots of tequila off beer goggles' stomach and saying ‘she doesn’t look THAT bad’ at last call Hello Blaine Gabbert! Hello Christian Ponder! Jimmy Clausen! Arrelious Benn! Golden Tate! Jonathan Baldwin! Can’t believe you guys’ are all still here at 2 AM!

 

[beer 30]

I'd like to be one of the first to THANK Blackmon, for blowing his shot at coming to the Browns.

You're nowhere near a #4 talent.

See ya.

He's about the same WR as Greg Little, it wouldn't make sense. Trent Richardson is the Browns pick.

One of the pundits referred to Blackmon as a similar talent as Anquan Boldin. We already have a similar talent: Greg Little (you are right). We need a Larry Fitzgerald, not two Anquan Boldins. Blackmon doesn't fit the bill, and I'm beginning to think that Michael Floyd may be the better prospect. Not at 4 though. Richardson it is. Reuben Randle is a popular mock draft choice for us at 37.

Randle? Floyd isn't any more Fitzgerald than Blackmon. There isn't a Fitzgerland/Calvin/Andre in this class. I think there are 3 future great WR's, but not elite ones. Pick one.

Any of Randle, Alshon, and Hill at picks 22 or 37 would be like taking Tannehill at 4. It's like being the guy at the bar at last call. You want to get some, but it’s not going to be pretty. Better off to just go after the girl who’s an 8 earlier in the night and hope it will be awesome or call it quits and look elsewhere than find yourself doing shots of tequila off beer goggles' stomach and saying ‘she doesn’t look THAT bad’ at last call

Hello Blaine Gabbert! Hello Christian Ponder! Jimmy Clausen! Arrelious Benn! Golden Tate! Jonathan Baldwin! Colt McCoy Can’t believe you guys’ are all still here at 2 AM!

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