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Dang, wish we coulda swung that deal.  I woulda been happy getting pick 37 and their 2019 2nd, they coulda kept pick 49.  

PIck 4 just got less valuable for a trade down most likely since teams generally get good deals to trade down when teams are moving up for QB.  

MAYBE something weird happens and we are able to move down 1 spot with denver and jsut get who we woulda taken anyway.

But yeah, top three picks are very likely QB now.  

But hey, maybe we should take Barkely at 1 and get our #3 QB rather than just take our #1 QB and get Barkley anyway :lmao:

 
ghostguy123 said:
Dang, wish we coulda swung that deal.  I woulda been happy getting pick 37 and their 2019 2nd, they coulda kept pick 49.  

PIck 4 just got less valuable for a trade down most likely since teams generally get good deals to trade down when teams are moving up for QB.  

MAYBE something weird happens and we are able to move down 1 spot with denver and jsut get who we woulda taken anyway.

But yeah, top three picks are very likely QB now.  

But hey, maybe we should take Barkely at 1 and get our #3 QB rather than just take our #1 QB and get Barkley anyway :lmao:
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I don't think so.

The Colts can't lose because the first three picks will be QBs and they don't move to the #6 pick unless they ARE SURE that another QB goes before they select to ensure them of getting Saquon Barkley or Bradley Chubb.  They get one of their top-two picks AND three extra second-round picks.  Bazingaa!

We have a month to sit and wait and watch the other teams sweat.  

The Jets blinked and paid a premium.

Their isn't any reason for Dorsey to accept a low-ball offer.

The pick won't be traded till those first three picks go off the board but we probably already have spoken to teams about possible trade downs and now the  last QB and teams targeting BPA non-QBs will be scrambling to get their guy.

 
So we are in position to grab the top QB and top non QB.  Thanks Sashi :wub:

Up to this point I have really REALLY wanted us to trade down (likely from 4) and make sure we pick up a 2019 1st from a team who would probably be using the #4 pick on a QB making the potential for the pick to be very high (like this year with Houston).

Right now, if the top three picks are QBs, then I am a bit torn.  

I still feel we HAVE to pick up another 2019 1st from someone.  Maybe it is with one of our 2nds.  Either way I feel like it has to happen.  

Hell, Indy could easily trade back up with us from 6, get the exact same player they woulda take at three, and pocket at least one of the extra 2nds they got from the Jets.  

 
Not necessarily. There are still 2 other QB's, and other top talent available at #4. Though I do have to say the teaming of Garret and Chubb is growing on me.  

 
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Bracie Smathers said:
I don't think so.

The Colts can't lose because the first three picks will be QBs and they don't move to the #6 pick unless they ARE SURE that another QB goes before they select to ensure them of getting Saquon Barkley or Bradley Chubb.  They get one of their top-two picks AND three extra second-round picks.  Bazingaa!

We have a month to sit and wait and watch the other teams sweat.  

The Jets blinked and paid a premium.

Their isn't any reason for Dorsey to accept a low-ball offer.

The pick won't be traded till those first three picks go off the board but we probably already have spoken to teams about possible trade downs and now the  last QB and teams targeting BPA non-QBs will be scrambling to get their guy.
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If the top three picks are QBs, then pick 4 has less value for a trade down.  I don't know how you could view it any different.  Something weird could happen in the draft to where pick 4 is the same as it was prior to this deal, sure, but as of right now knowing the top three picks are QBs, I think the pick lost value for a trade down.  

However, the pick GAINED value to us if we were planning to draft a player there.  Now we know for sure we would get our #1 non-QB.  

 
mr fancypants said:
Not necessarily. There are still 2 other QB's, and other top talent available at #4. Though I do have to say the teaming of Garret and Chubb is growing on me.  
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Listen, I am not saying the pick lost all it's value or that it can't be traded, but it is LESS LIKELY to be an appealing pick for some of the teams if their top 3 QBs are off the board rather than their top 2 QBs. 

A team trading up to pick 3 is what many of us have been talking about as something that would hurt our ability to trade pick 4 for a "haul".  Now that it has happened, pick 4 hasn't lost any trade down value??? :shock:

 
Sign Suh.  Draft Chubb or Barkley.  Go nuts. 

Or, when three QBs go off the board, trade down to 6 with Indy, let the Broncos draft a QB, and we grab Chubb or Barkley at 6 plus pick up maybe a couple 2nds (one this year one next).

If Barkely and Chubb go 4 and 5 in that scenario, then uh, oops I guess??  I don't know.  WHo knows who our FO has ranked as their top couple non QBs. I still dont think Barkley is one of them.  

 
pantherclub said:
Jets are insane
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I don’t love it but people said the same thing when the Rams, Eagles, etc. traded up to get a QB. Goff, Wentz, Mariotta, Winston all had their warts/risks as well and people killed those teams for what they paid to move up.

if you get a franchise type QB is worth it. If the guy busts then that sucks. 

 
Dr. Octopus said:
I don’t love it but people said the same thing when the Rams, Eagles, etc. traded up to get a QB. Goff, Wentz, Mariotta, Winston all had their warts/risks as well and people killed those teams for what they paid to move up.

if you get a franchise type QB is worth it. If the guy busts then that sucks. 
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It's just kinda weird to make that move when you don't even know which guy you are going to get.  

The Giants HAVE to be going QB at 2 otherwise I can't see them having passed on that offer to move down to 6 from 2.  

 
ghostguy123 said:
If the top three picks are QBs, then pick 4 has less value for a trade down.  I don't know how you could view it any different.  Something weird could happen in the draft to where pick 4 is the same as it was prior to this deal, sure, but as of right now knowing the top three picks are QBs, I think the pick lost value for a trade down.  

However, the pick GAINED value to us if we were planning to draft a player there.  Now we know for sure we would get our #1 non-QB.  
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What if the Giants pick a guard or Barkley as some want to believe? Bazinga LOL!!!

 
mr fancypants said:
What if the Giants pick a guard or Barkley as some want to believe? Bazinga LOL!!!
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Then it still has less value cause now rather than getting their #2 QB, teams will get their #3 QB since Indy was not going to take a QB, but now the Jets are.

See my last post though, no way the Giants are NOT taking a QB if they turned down that deal.

 
Dr. Octopus said:
I don’t love it but people said the same thing when the Rams, Eagles, etc. traded up to get a QB. Goff, Wentz, Mariotta, Winston all had their warts/risks as well and people killed those teams for what they paid to move up.

if you get a franchise type QB is worth it. If the guy busts then that sucks. 
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Doc, have to ask if you still that think only 2 to 3 QBs are taken in the top-six picks?

 
ghostguy123 said:
It's just kinda weird to make that move when you don't even know which guy you are going to get.  

The Giants HAVE to be going QB at 2 otherwise I can't see them having passed on that offer to move down to 6 from 2.  
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That I 100% agree with. The timing doesn’t make much sense - unless they knew for sure the Giants weren’t taking a QB (and there’s no way they could know that).

 
Dr. Octopus said:
That I 100% agree with. The timing doesn’t make much sense - unless they knew for sure the Giants weren’t taking a QB (and there’s no way they could know that).
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Unless they knew the Giants WERE taking a QB and are fine with any of the top-three and know that Buffalo and Denver will be scrambling for the 3rd and 4th picks where NY would have been left out in the cold.

 
Bracie Smathers said:
Doc, have to ask if you still that think only 2 to 3 QBs are taken in the top-six picks?
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Yes, I’ll stick with that. I still don’t think the Giants or Denver are taking a QB - but obviously I’m worried they will or trade the pick to the Bills. I’m much lower on Allen than some though - I don’t see him as a top 5 pick QB. Of course now the Jets will likely take him and make me have to be wrong on that.

i think the Jets have to be thinking they get the sencone QB at that pick in order to make the move now. That’s the gamble at least.

 
Dr. Octopus said:
Yes, I’ll stick with that. I still don’t think the Giants or Denver are taking a QB - but obviously I’m worried they will or trade the pick to the Bills. I’m much lower on Allen than some though - I don’t see him as a top 5 pick QB. Of course now the Jets will likely take him and make me have to be wrong on that.

i think the Jets have to be thinking they get the sencone QB at that pick in order to make the move now. That’s the gamble at least.
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Zero chance only 2 QBs would go top 6

 
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Dr. Octopus said:
I don’t see why they wouldn’t make a deal if it benefits both of them.
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It's rare for rivals to make trades.  (I think)  Someone has to look good, look bad.  Am I wrong?

ETA:  Since you're a Jets fan, thought I'd get your insight.

 
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daveR said:
It's rare for rivals to make trades.  (I think)  Someone has to look good, look bad.  Am I wrong?

ETA:  Since you're a Jets fan, thought I'd get your insight.
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Well the two teams are partners in owning an NFL stadium. There’s a rivalry and obviously competition for fans - but it’s a huge population - like I said if a deal made sense for both teams I don’t see why they wouldn’t work something out.

 
Dr. Octopus said:
Yes, I’ll stick with that. I still don’t think the Giants or Denver are taking a QB - but obviously I’m worried they will or trade the pick to the Bills. I’m much lower on Allen than some though - I don’t see him as a top 5 pick QB. Of course now the Jets will likely take him and make me have to be wrong on that.

i think the Jets have to be thinking they get the sencone QB at that pick in order to make the move now. That’s the gamble at least.
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QB Josh Allen has the best arm that I've ever seen, I mean ALL-TIME best arm not just in terms of strength but in terms of 'arm-talent'.

He makes throws that no one else makes.  Check out video of him rolling to his right and throwing a perfect vertical strike to the right corner of the endzone.

Almost every QB  who rolls to the right can't make that throw because the horizontal motion pushes the ball to the right with the same momentum as the rolling QB so you will see QBs compensate and angle throws to the left and watch them hang up and drift which allows the DB to close.

Josh Allen is freak, he is somehow able to calculate the geometry and make that throw with easy-gas.  Its amazing.

The glaring flaw is how he misses

W-------I---------D--------E      O--------P---------E------------N 

receivers, running backs, tight ends who have cleared the LOS and have nothing but open turf in front of them and his misses aren't even close to being complete.  

He is great at the chalk board and interviewed the best of anyone, has prototypical size, athleticism, movement.  Everything but dependable accuracy.

Someone is going to, or already has fallen in love with him.

 
Bracie Smathers said:
QB Josh Allen has the best arm that I've ever seen, I mean ALL-TIME best arm not just in terms of strength but in terms of 'arm-talent'.

He makes throws that no one else makes.  Check out video of him rolling to his right and throwing a perfect vertical strike to the right corner of the endzone.

Almost every QB  who rolls to the right can't make that throw because the horizontal motion pushes the ball to the right with the same momentum as the rolling QB so you will see QBs compensate and angle throws to the left and watch them hang up and drift which allows the DB to close.

Josh Allen is freak, he is somehow able to calculate the geometry and make that throw with easy-gas.  Its amazing.

The glaring flaw is how he misses

W-------I---------D--------E      O--------P---------E------------N 

receivers, running backs, tight ends who have cleared the LOS and have nothing but open turf in front of them and his misses aren't even close to being complete.  

He is great at the chalk board and interviewed the best of anyone, has prototypical size, athleticism, movement.  Everything but dependable accuracy.

Someone is going to, or already has fallen in love with him.
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Possibly - and I could be wrong about him, I have far from a 100% track record for QBs - but the accuracy issues scare the hell out of me.

 
mr fancypants said:
Would love to be a fly on the wall listening to the potential offers for the 4th pick.
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What if we take either Darnold or Rosen with the top pick and then the GIants take either the 'other QB or Saquon' with the #2 pick and the phone rings and its the Jets who offer us the #3 pick PLUS their 1st round pick next year.

Dorsey would be looking at Mayfield or Rosen/Darnold with the #3 pick AND an extra 1st next year so NO RISK of losing a QB but picking up a QB who Dorsey might have ranked near the guy he took at #1 PLUS an extra 1st next year.

I think that Darnold and Rosen go 1 and 2 so 'most likely' Mayfiled would be the guy at #3.  

This scenario would make the most sense for the timing of the Jets move today.  They assure themselves of getting the 3rd best QB today but have the 'possibility' of moving up to get the 1st pick.

So Dorsey could choose between getting a QB who may or may not be rated much higher than Mayfield or he can take Mayfield PLUS get an extra 1st and their would be nothing from stopping him from either trading the 4th pick or from getting best non-QB of the draft of the draft.

Scenario one 

  • QB with top pick
  • whatever the 4th pick would attain
Scenario two

  • No risk QB with the #3
  • extra 1st next year
  • whatever he can attain with the #4 pick.
 
Take the QB that Dorsey is putting his job on.

And Chubb or Saquon.

We can't mess this up, we've been givena  gift from the heavens. I'm tired of moving down, this is our chance to build the start of something incredible.

 
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What if, just what if, our front office doesnt want any of the QBs this year.  That is probably not the case, but hypothetically say it is.  What moves could be made?  The #1 pick probably just gained value now that the teams picking 5 and later are now assured that an extra QB will be going top 4 to the Jets.  

Broncos giving up 5, 37, and future 1st?  Hell maybe the Jets give 3 and future 1st.  The we take our top 2 non QBs.

Again, likely not the case, but if we are not drafting a QB top 5 we obviously HAVE to trade back from #1.  

 
Soulfly3 said:
Take the QB that Dorsey is putting his job on.

And Chubb or Saquon.

We can't mess this up, we've been givena  gift from the heavens. I'm tired of moving down, this is our chance to build the start of something incredible.
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The far and away most likely scenario is we are taking a QB at 1 and the top non-QB at 4 after the first three picks are QBs.  

If for some odd reason the Giants don't take a QB, then hello Denver, give us a 2nd to move up a pick for your QB so that we don't trade it to Buffalo.  Free 2nd.  

 
Would been super sweet for Browns to get the Jets trade to move from 4 to 6.  The Colts sure got a big haul to move down from 3 to 6.

 
Bracie Smathers said:
What if we take either Darnold or Rosen with the top pick and then the GIants take either the 'other QB or Saquon' with the #2 pick and the phone rings and its the Jets who offer us the #3 pick PLUS their 1st round pick next year.

Dorsey would be looking at Mayfield or Rosen/Darnold with the #3 pick AND an extra 1st next year so NO RISK of losing a QB but picking up a QB who Dorsey might have ranked near the guy he took at #1 PLUS an extra 1st next year.

I think that Darnold and Rosen go 1 and 2 so 'most likely' Mayfiled would be the guy at #3.  

This scenario would make the most sense for the timing of the Jets move today.  They assure themselves of getting the 3rd best QB today but have the 'possibility' of moving up to get the 1st pick.

So Dorsey could choose between getting a QB who may or may not be rated much higher than Mayfield or he can take Mayfield PLUS get an extra 1st and their would be nothing from stopping him from either trading the 4th pick or from getting best non-QB of the draft of the draft.

Scenario one 

  • QB with top pick
  • whatever the 4th pick would attain
Scenario two

  • No risk QB with the #3
  • extra 1st next year
  • whatever he can attain with the #4 pick.
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Or what if you trade the #4 for Aaron Rodgers instead!?

Come on man, scenario 2 is just ridiculous.

 
ghostguy123 said:
What if, just what if, our front office doesnt want any of the QBs this year.  That is probably not the case, but hypothetically say it is.  What moves could be made?  The #1 pick probably just gained value now that the teams picking 5 and later are now assured that an extra QB will be going top 4 to the Jets.  

Broncos giving up 5, 37, and future 1st?  Hell maybe the Jets give 3 and future 1st.  The we take our top 2 non QBs.

Again, likely not the case, but if we are not drafting a QB top 5 we obviously HAVE to trade back from #1.  
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i am far from a gm but i have been saying for a while now that all of these dudes have major flaws in their games. none of them is a sure thing in the least. i am just amazed how crazy teams are getting for qb's even when they are not for certain. darnold seems the closer to the top but his brain farts and decision making scare the hell out of me.  you may could fix that but i dont know. allen cannot hit the side of a barn and i know you cannot fix that.  to me there is just too much going on with rosen and Mayfield to make them a high pick.  crazy draft for sure. 

its almost like lamar jackson is quietly sneaking up on this main group. if his pro day is good then things get interesting.  

 
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pantherclub said:
i am far from a gm but i have been saying for a whe now that all of these dudes have major flaws in their games. none of them is a sure thing in the least. i am just amazed how crazy teams are getting for qb's even when they are not for certain. darnold seems the closer to the top but his brain farts and decision making scare the hell out of me.  yoy may could fix that but i dont know. allen cannot hit the side of a barn and i know you cannot fix that.  to me there is just too much going on with rosen and Mayfield to make them a high pick.  crazy draft for sure. 

its almost like lamar jackson is quietly sneaking up on this main group. if his pro day is good then things get interesting.  
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Every good QB in the NFL right now had flaws in their game coming out of college except maybe Luck.  If a guy is 50-50 to be a really good QB, those are more than acceptable odds to draft the guy at 1.  

If they aren't convinced any of the guys are even 50-50 then sure, go another route and see what shakes out.  But if you like a guy above the rest, don't F around, just take him. It's the most important position  in sports.  Get the guy you believe in most to be a really good NFL QB.

 
A guy who was a turnover machine on a loaded college team or a guy with attitude problems who is hated in his own locker room. Which will be the next great pro quarterback?

 
Remember when Josh Rosen pretended to still have a concussion 5 weeks after his last game in order to avoid being there for his teammates? What a competitor! What moxie!

 
daveR said:
How do you rank the next 4? 
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If you asked me this last year, Darnold, Mayfield and then don't really like anyone.

This year? Mayfield................... And a bunch of unclear.

I absolutely LOVED Darnold, but I didnt like him this year. He didnt progress at all. 

If Dorsey drafts him, Im 100% on board. But this season seriosuly scared me into thinking he'll bust, but I would LOVE to be wrong.

 
Bracie Smathers said:
What if we take either Darnold or Rosen with the top pick and then the GIants take either the 'other QB or Saquon' with the #2 pick and the phone rings and its the Jets who offer us the #3 pick PLUS their 1st round pick next year.

Dorsey would be looking at Mayfield or Rosen/Darnold with the #3 pick AND an extra 1st next year so NO RISK of losing a QB but picking up a QB who Dorsey might have ranked near the guy he took at #1 PLUS an extra 1st next year.

I think that Darnold and Rosen go 1 and 2 so 'most likely' Mayfiled would be the guy at #3.  

This scenario would make the most sense for the timing of the Jets move today.  They assure themselves of getting the 3rd best QB today but have the 'possibility' of moving up to get the 1st pick.

So Dorsey could choose between getting a QB who may or may not be rated much higher than Mayfield or he can take Mayfield PLUS get an extra 1st and their would be nothing from stopping him from either trading the 4th pick or from getting best non-QB of the draft of the draft.

Scenario one 

  • QB with top pick
  • whatever the 4th pick would attain
Scenario two

  • No risk QB with the #3
  • extra 1st next year
  • whatever he can attain with the #4 pick.
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I don't find this all that far-fetched.  Might be a good ploy by the Jets.  Wait to see if your guy falls to you, and trade for him if he doesn't.

 
Soulfly3 said:
If you asked me this last year, Darnold, Mayfield and then don't really like anyone.

This year? Mayfield................... And a bunch of unclear.

I absolutely LOVED Darnold, but I didnt like him this year. He didnt progress at all. 

If Dorsey drafts him, Im 100% on board. But this season seriosuly scared me into thinking he'll bust, but I would LOVE to be wrong.
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Nobody wants to commit to ranking / rating.  At least you have a #1.  Most people here won't even do that.  More important, for conversation among us neophytes, is putting a rank and a rating with each.

 
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