The General
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Zow
Footballguy
I really hope he's actually paying his bills.
Zow
Footballguy
Random question (given that it's now clear that he had top secret documents): does anybody here actually think it's okay/no issue that Trump took top secret documents after he left the White House? I'm genuinely curious here. To be clear, this question does not concern or consider criminal culpability. I'm simply wondering whether there are people who may actually think his actions were just fine (regardless of whether it was a criminal act, broke some policy, etc.).
Put more simply: is it okay for a former president to just take top secret documents home after his term?
I guess I'll (perhaps unfairly) call our @knowledge dropper @Stealthycat @BladeRunner @quick-hands
Zow
Footballguy
Eh, I'd just make sure he'd sign an attached affidavit/declaration to any substantive pleading.
2Squirrels1Nut
Footballguy
Zow
Footballguy
A lot of us don't need "exposure" or even want that. That's a public myth.
2Squirrels1Nut
Footballguy
I would say most lawyers, 95%+ wouldn't, GB.
In this case, I can't reason why any lawyer that wanted anything but exposure would take the case. He didn't even pay Giuliani. Make a name for yourselves in the MAGA circles and make a fortune.
JMHO but would love to hear your thoughts as always.
ETA
Also, I don't think that's the public opinion of lawyers. Back in the 70's, that seemed like a thing to stereotype lawyers as ambulance chasers but the 80's turned them into super stars. You of course would know better.
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knowledge dropper
Footballguy
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
BladeRunner
Footballguy
Captain Cranks
Footballguy
Apologies if this has been brought up before, but what would prevent Trump, or anyone, from making copies (or taking pictures of) Top Secret docs? IOW, if you wanted Top Secret information to sell to others, why do you need the originals that can be easily identified as unreturned?
Zow
Footballguy
Why are you so certain?
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
sho nuff
Footballguy
So it was all just a mistake. Great schtick...really.
Was it also just a mistake when they lied that they gave it all back and the FBI had to go in and get it? How about now that there seems to be more they still have not returned?
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
Because The NY Times says so? Please.
Dickies
Footballguy
You’re laying it on a little too thick.
Zow
Footballguy
Do you apply this same logic to Hillary and her emails?
2Squirrels1Nut
Footballguy
sho nuff
Footballguy
Where did I quote the NYT? There are plenty of sources reporting what he had, showing they claimed they returned it all, showing they didn't really return it all leading to the raid in questions...and now questioning whether he still has not returned it all.
And of all people to question a source...sorry if I roll my eyes at a fan of pjmedia, gatewaypundit, redstate...questioning sources? Please.
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
NYT is the source of the story that Trump has more documents?
sho nuff
Footballguy
They were the first to report it...has it been questiioned?
DOJ Reportedly Believes Trump Has More Government Documents
The DOJ has reportedly reached out to Trump’s attorneys and demanded the return of any remaining government documents in his possession.
www.forbes.com
Trump Hasn’t Returned All Documents, DOJ Officials Believe
Outreach by an official indicates that the government could be seeking to retrieve more records from former president,
www.wsj.com
So...still want to just question the source?
The Commish
Footballguy
You're trying to hard GB
roadkill1292
Footballguy
I don't think Trump can plead ignorance. He has lawyers.
The Commish
Footballguy
Unfortunately, it worked for previous morons...no reason to see why it wouldn't apply to this one. It's not a stretch to assume the entirety of his staff had no clue how to work with this stuff.
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
Yes. Just using the same leak.They were the first to report it...has it been questiioned?
Read down to "The Wall Street Journal also corroborated the story and spoke to Trump’s spokesperson Taylor Budowich, who attacked the “weaponized Department of Justice and the politicized FBI” for spending tax dollars on a “witch hunt.”DOJ Reportedly Believes Trump Has More Government Documents
The DOJ has reportedly reached out to Trump’s attorneys and demanded the return of any remaining government documents in his possession.
Trump Hasn’t Returned All Documents, DOJ Officials Believe
Outreach by an official indicates that the government could be seeking to retrieve more records from former president,
So...still want to just question the source?
sho nuff
Footballguy
WSJ corroborated it...so no, not just from the NYT...care to actually discuss that? Seems several reputable sources are agreeing the leak is authentic and they are getting this from the DOJ.Yes. Just using the same leak.They were the first to report it...has it been questiioned?
Read down to "The Wall Street Journal also corroborated the story and spoke to Trump’s spokesperson Taylor Budowich, who attacked the “weaponized Department of Justice and the politicized FBI” for spending tax dollars on a “witch hunt.”DOJ Reportedly Believes Trump Has More Government Documents
The DOJ has reportedly reached out to Trump’s attorneys and demanded the return of any remaining government documents in his possession.
Trump Hasn’t Returned All Documents, DOJ Officials Believe
Outreach by an official indicates that the government could be seeking to retrieve more records from former president,
So...still want to just question the source?
Add in that we know he already had some stuff...and his attorneys claimed they gave it all back. Why not deal with the facts on this rather than schtick?
Dickies
Footballguy
-fish-
Footballguy
Well, his lawyers have proven to be pretty ignorant themselves.
No smart ones are willing to ruin their reputation for him. Don't understand why.
Zegras11
Footballguy
This post is total BS.
Numerous people in his admin have stated in interviews that he was clearly explained how this all works many, many times. To the point where one guy grossly enlarged documents so that Trump could not tear them up.
Many documents had to be taped back together.
ZADO
Footballguy
so...no
sho nuff
Footballguy
Why ask when you already know the answer?
ZADO
Footballguy
maybe you guys know something i dont,maybe i missed something that has him going down for real
The General
Footballguy
You prolly think OJ is innocent
ZADO
Footballguy
hes not?You prolly think OJ is innocent
sho nuff
Footballguy
Yes breaking news like that…definitely would not hear about it anywhere but here.
The General
Footballguy
I'll go with no!hes not?You prolly think OJ is innocent
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Mr. Corcoran, the FBI would like a word with you.
Trump lawyer Christina Bobb speaks to federal investigators in Mar-a-Lago case
-jb-
Footballguy
Ex-partner of Ukrainian ‘heiress’ who infiltrated Mar-a-Lago club shot outside Canada resort
Valeriy Tarasenko was left with ‘significant injuries’ but expected to survive, according to Quebec police
(HULK)
(Smash)
Interesting that he lived. Maybe he'll talk.Ex-partner of Ukrainian ‘heiress’ who infiltrated Mar-a-Lago club shot outside Canada resort
Valeriy Tarasenko was left with ‘significant injuries’ but expected to survive, according to Quebec policewww.theguardian.com
It doesn't say it explicitly, but this does seem like a "cleaning up loose ends" shooting move straight from the Russia playbook.
Zegras11
Footballguy
There were no weapons Jan 6 according to a few in this thread. So nothing to see here.
Kyle Cheney
@kyledcheney
NEW: 'I had not seen that many weapons in one location since I was in the military.' Oath Keeper describes huge weapons cache outside D.C. on Jan. 6.
www.politico.com
A member of the Oath Keepers who traveled with the group to Washington D.C. ahead of the Jan. 6 riot described a massive stockpile of firearms and other weaponry that allies had stashed in an Arlington, Va. hotel.
“I had not seen that many weapons in one location since I was in the military,” recalled Terry Cummings, a Florida resident who said he joined the Oath Keepers in 2020
Kyle Cheney
@kyledcheney
NEW: 'I had not seen that many weapons in one location since I was in the military.' Oath Keeper describes huge weapons cache outside D.C. on Jan. 6.
Oath Keeper describes group’s large weapons cache ahead of Jan. 6
The group’s founder, Stewart Rhodes, and several regional leaders are charged with conspiring to disrupt the transfer of power and preparing for violence to enforce their will.
www.politico.com
A member of the Oath Keepers who traveled with the group to Washington D.C. ahead of the Jan. 6 riot described a massive stockpile of firearms and other weaponry that allies had stashed in an Arlington, Va. hotel.
“I had not seen that many weapons in one location since I was in the military,” recalled Terry Cummings, a Florida resident who said he joined the Oath Keepers in 2020
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Yeah, but that's Arlington, not DC. The tourists at the capital that day weren't armed.There were no weapons Jan 6 according to a few in this thread. So nothing to see here.
Kyle Cheney
@kyledcheney
NEW: 'I had not seen that many weapons in one location since I was in the military.' Oath Keeper describes huge weapons cache outside D.C. on Jan. 6.
Oath Keeper describes group’s large weapons cache ahead of Jan. 6
The group’s founder, Stewart Rhodes, and several regional leaders are charged with conspiring to disrupt the transfer of power and preparing for violence to enforce their will.
A member of the Oath Keepers who traveled with the group to Washington D.C. ahead of the Jan. 6 riot described a massive stockpile of firearms and other weaponry that allies had stashed in an Arlington, Va. hotel.
“I had not seen that many weapons in one location since I was in the military,” recalled Terry Cummings, a Florida resident who said he joined the Oath Keepers in 2020
(HULK)
(Smash)
Arlington used to be part of DC before they gave it to Virginia.Yeah, but that's Arlington, not DC. The tourists at the capital that day weren't armed.There were no weapons Jan 6 according to a few in this thread. So nothing to see here.
Kyle Cheney
@kyledcheney
NEW: 'I had not seen that many weapons in one location since I was in the military.' Oath Keeper describes huge weapons cache outside D.C. on Jan. 6.
Oath Keeper describes group’s large weapons cache ahead of Jan. 6
The group’s founder, Stewart Rhodes, and several regional leaders are charged with conspiring to disrupt the transfer of power and preparing for violence to enforce their will.
A member of the Oath Keepers who traveled with the group to Washington D.C. ahead of the Jan. 6 riot described a massive stockpile of firearms and other weaponry that allies had stashed in an Arlington, Va. hotel.
“I had not seen that many weapons in one location since I was in the military,” recalled Terry Cummings, a Florida resident who said he joined the Oath Keepers in 2020
DOJ Brief to SCOTUS.
It's really good.
It's really good.
squistion
Footballguy
Uh oh!
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1580313634026459137 (link to WaPo article at link).
Breaking WaPo:
A Trump employee has told federal agents about moving boxes of documents at Mar-a-Lago at the specific direction of Trump. The witness account — combined with security-camera footage — offers key evidence of Trump's behavior.
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1580313634026459137 (link to WaPo article at link).
Breaking WaPo:
A Trump employee has told federal agents about moving boxes of documents at Mar-a-Lago at the specific direction of Trump. The witness account — combined with security-camera footage — offers key evidence of Trump's behavior.
