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[FairWarning]

Can’t have the mayors run the police down, then think they will run back to work for them. Maybe they should hire the ones that were fired for no vax first.

 

[-fish-]

Can’t have the mayors run the police down, then think they will run back to work for them. Maybe they should hire the ones that were fired for no vax first.

You're right. They should answer that question. Maybe even make it point number 1.

1. Funds the police and promotes effective prosecution of crimes affecting families today, including by funding 100,000 additional police officers who will be recruited, trained, hired, and supervised consistent with the standards in the President’s Executive Order to advance effective, accountable community policing in order to enhance trust and public safety;

As far as the cops that got fired because they're anti-vaxxers, I'm fine with keeping conspiracy theorists off of the police force.

 

[FairWarning]

Can’t have the mayors run the police down, then think they will run back to work for them. Maybe they should hire the ones that were fired for no vax first.

You're right. They should answer that question. Maybe even make it point number 1.

1. Funds the police and promotes effective prosecution of crimes affecting families today, including by funding 100,000 additional police officers who will be recruited, trained, hired, and supervised consistent with the standards in the President’s Executive Order to advance effective, accountable community policing in order to enhance trust and public safety;

As far as the cops that got fired because they're anti-vaxxers, I'm fine with keeping conspiracy theorists off of the police force.

You can sign up to be part of the community police

 

[BladeRunner]

Can’t have the mayors run the police down, then think they will run back to work for them. Maybe they should hire the ones that were fired for no vax first.

You're right. They should answer that question. Maybe even make it point number 1.

1. Funds the police and promotes effective prosecution of crimes affecting families today, including by funding 100,000 additional police officers who will be recruited, trained, hired, and supervised consistent with the standards in the President’s Executive Order to advance effective, accountable community policing in order to enhance trust and public safety;

As far as the cops that got fired because they're anti-vaxxers, I'm fine with keeping conspiracy theorists off of the police force.

Conspiracy Theorists, you say? This coming from The Dossier crowd? The OMG It Was Said on Twitter so it's True crowd? The Rachel Maddow We Got'eem Now Crowd?

 

[FairWarning]

Let’s face it, the left is trying to save face since they know it’s a hot topic on the right. We don’t need any more cops in the cities, those people are blindly voting D whether they hire 100k cops or none.

 

[moleculo]

Let’s face it, the left is trying to save face since they know it’s a hot topic on the right. We don’t need any more cops in the cities, those people are blindly voting D whether they hire 100k cops or none.

so what? The left does something you would otherwise approve of, and instead of an "attaboy", it's "they are just trying to save face?

 

[FairWarning]

Let’s face it, the left is trying to save face since they know it’s a hot topic on the right. We don’t need any more cops in the cities, those people are blindly voting D whether they hire 100k cops or none.

so what? The left does something you would otherwise approve of, and instead of an "attaboy", it's "they are just trying to save face?

It must be midterms. What good would hiring cops do if the DA lets them back out right away?

Slapping painters tape on this problem isn’t fixing it.

 

[The General]

It also seems like several Republican Senators are throwing cold water on the telepathic declassification ruse. These guys can read the tea leaves and know things, so the fact they're willing to go this far is the best signal this isn't going to end well for Trump.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/22/politics/republican-reaction-trump-secret-records/index.html

I’m still not 100% convinced it will happen but if/when they all start turning on him and backing Desantis it will be an amazing thing to watch.

Donald will accept this with grace and realize it is best he steps aside for the advancement of others and conservative causes.

 

[the rover]

Let’s face it, the left is trying to save face since they know it’s a hot topic on the right. We don’t need any more cops in the cities, those people are blindly voting D whether they hire 100k cops or none.

so what? The left does something you would otherwise approve of, and instead of an "attaboy", it's "they are just trying to save face?

faux outrage is a hallmark of today's republicans

 

[the rover]

Let’s face it, the left is trying to save face since they know it’s a hot topic on the right. We don’t need any more cops in the cities, those people are blindly voting D whether they hire 100k cops or none.

we don't need any more cops in the cities? ZOMG! republicans want to defund the police!!

 

[urbanhack]

Show us that one instance where the rioters were let in the Capitol and it would be easy for us to show you hundreds of instances where there was a there were struggles and blood shed. This BS showing one clip of a few officers letting them by while ignoring all the other video showing absolute chaos and fighting is sickening. Over 140 officers were injured and it wasn't because they were "letting them by"

If they had the decency and patriotism to watch the select commitee hearings they would know what really happened. Words from Capitol Police Officer Caroline Edwards....

"When I fell behind that line and I saw, I can just remember my breath catching in my throat, because what I saw was just a war scene,” she said. “It was something like I had seen out of the movies. I couldn’t believe my eyes. There were officers on the ground. They were bleeding, they were throwing up. I mean, I saw friends with blood all over their faces. I was slipping in people’s blood.”

I don't understand how a single person in law enforcement could still support Trump.

Lessor or two evils? Do you think the other side has helped law enforcement?

FACT SHEET: President Biden’s Safer America Plan | The White House

President Biden knows what works to make our communities safer: investing in community policing andcrime prevention. We need to fund police who walk the

www.whitehouse.gov

It’s working well, lol.

Deflect.

 

[(HULK)]

Let’s face it, the left is trying to save face since they know it’s a hot topic on the right. We don’t need any more cops in the cities, those people are blindly voting D whether they hire 100k cops or none.

so what? The left does something you would otherwise approve of, and instead of an "attaboy", it's "they are just trying to save face?

faux outrage is a hallmark of today's republicans

I'd say playing the victim is.

 

[SWC]

Let’s face it, the left is trying to save face since they know it’s a hot topic on the right. We don’t need any more cops in the cities, those people are blindly voting D whether they hire 100k cops or none.

so what? The left does something you would otherwise approve of, and instead of an "attaboy", it's "they are just trying to save face?

faux outrage is a hallmark of today's republicans

I'd say playing the victim is.

id say its rigging the system so even though they arent a majority they stay in majority control take that to the bank brohans

 

[zoonation]

Trump down to his last play with no time on the clock. A Hail Mary to the Supreme Court.

 

[JIslander]

Trump down to his last play with no time on the clock. A Hail Mary to the Supreme Court.

 

[Zegras11]

Can’t have the mayors run the police down, then think they will run back to work for them. Maybe they should hire the ones that were fired for no vax first.

You're right. They should answer that question. Maybe even make it point number 1.

1. Funds the police and promotes effective prosecution of crimes affecting families today, including by funding 100,000 additional police officers who will be recruited, trained, hired, and supervised consistent with the standards in the President’s Executive Order to advance effective, accountable community policing in order to enhance trust and public safety;

As far as the cops that got fired because they're anti-vaxxers, I'm fine with keeping conspiracy theorists off of the police force.

Conspiracy Theorists, you say? This coming from The Dossier crowd? The OMG It Was Said on Twitter so it's True crowd? The Rachel Maddow We Got'eem Now Crowd?

No. The we follow non political epidemiologist crowd.

 

[FairWarning]

K I’ll

Trump down to his last play with no time on the clock. A Hail Mary to the Supreme Court.

What law is he having them interpret?

 

[-fish-]

K I’ll

Trump down to his last play with no time on the clock. A Hail Mary to the Supreme Court.

What law is he having them interpret?

Trying to get them to overturn the 11th Circuit's partial stay which allows the DOJ to continue to review classified documents. Not gonna happen.

 

[Jackstraw]

Let’s face it, the left is trying to save face since they know it’s a hot topic on the right. We don’t need any more cops in the cities, those people are blindly voting D whether they hire 100k cops or none.

so what? The left does something you would otherwise approve of, and instead of an "attaboy", it's "they are just trying to save face?

It must be midterms. What good would hiring cops do if the DA lets them back out right away?

Slapping painters tape on this problem isn’t fixing it.

What we need is some good old fashined AUTHORITARIANISM YO! Crack some heads. Throw some guys in prison!

 

[joffer]

K I’ll

Trump down to his last play with no time on the clock. A Hail Mary to the Supreme Court.

What law is he having them interpret?

Trying to get them to overturn the 11th Circuit's partial stay which allows the DOJ to continue to review classified documents. Not gonna happen.

Doesn’t Thomas cover the 11th circuit?

 

[-fish-]

DoeK I’ll

Trump down to his last play with no time on the clock. A Hail Mary to the Supreme Court.

What law is he having them interpret?

Trying to get them to overturn the 11th Circuit's partial stay which allows the DOJ to continue to review classified documents. Not gonna happen.

Doesn’t Thomas cover the 11th circuit?

Doesn't matter. The 11th Circuit's opinion was thorough and correct. All Thomas can do is reject it or refer it to the full court.

 

[-fish-]

Well this makes a lot of sense. Latest DOJ filing indicates that Trump may have stolen the call logs from Jan. 6.

 

[(HULK)]

Well this makes a lot of sense. Latest DOJ filing indicates that Trump may have stolen the call logs from Jan. 6.

Well duh

 

[Zow]

Well this makes a lot of sense. Latest DOJ filing indicates that Trump may have stolen the call logs from Jan. 6.

Wait, what?

 

[-fish-]

Well this makes a lot of sense. Latest DOJ filing indicates that Trump may have stolen the call logs from Jan. 6.

Well duh

This is the first filing that actually connects the dots between the J6 committee finding that 7.5 hours of call logs were missing and those logs being confirmed among the stolen documents. Now there's a nexus, which may broaden the scope of the obstruction of justice.

 

[Zow]

Well this makes a lot of sense. Latest DOJ filing indicates that Trump may have stolen the call logs from Jan. 6.

Well duh

This is the first filing that actually connects the dots between the J6 committee finding that 7.5 hours of call logs were missing and those logs being confirmed among the stolen documents. Now there's a nexus, which may broaden the scope of the obstruction of justice.

Yeah... if true, from a legal perspective, this is significant/a big deal.

 

[-fish-]

Well this makes a lot of sense. Latest DOJ filing indicates that Trump may have stolen the call logs from Jan. 6.

Wait, what?

page 6

NARA confirmed call logs were missing from Jan 5 and 6. This confirms that Trump had call logs in the classified documents. Since NARA confirmed to the J6 committee that there weren't any other call logs missing, this filing seems to confirm that these are the logs he stole,

 

[Zow]

Well this makes a lot of sense. Latest DOJ filing indicates that Trump may have stolen the call logs from Jan. 6.

Wait, what?

page 6

NARA confirmed call logs were missing from Jan 5 and 6. This confirms that Trump had call logs in the classified documents. Since NARA confirmed to the J6 committee that there weren't any other call logs missing, this filing seems to confirm that these are the logs he stole,

Wow.

Now I really want to see those call logs...

 

[RCon]

NARA confirmed call logs were missing from Jan 5 and 6. This confirms that Trump had call logs in the classified documents. Since NARA confirmed to the J6 committee that there weren't any other call logs missing, this filing seems to confirm that these are the logs he stole,

How is it possible that things like this are only kept on paper, and only one copy, to begin with? Also, if he did take them, how did he not have the sense to shred them?

 

[-fish-]

I am seeing conflicting information. I thought Thomas could only reject or refer to the full court. I read an ABC News story that he could choose to decide this himself.

Which is it?

 

[2Squirrels1Nut]

Well this makes a lot of sense. Latest DOJ filing indicates that Trump may have stolen the call logs from Jan. 6.

Well duh

This is the first filing that actually connects the dots between the J6 committee finding that 7.5 hours of call logs were missing and those logs being confirmed among the stolen documents. Now there's a nexus, which may broaden the scope of the obstruction of justice.

Yeah... if true, from a legal perspective, this is significant/a big deal.

Lots of the things Trump did are horrifying, big deals.

 

[2Squirrels1Nut]

I am seeing conflicting information. I thought Thomas could only reject or refer to the full court. I read an ABC News story that he could choose to decide this himself.

Which is it?

I've read a number of articles and they infer it would be the SCOTUS in its entirety to rule. Again, just what I read. There's a lot of lawyer folks here that could probably say with certainty.

 

[(HULK)]

Well this makes a lot of sense. Latest DOJ filing indicates that Trump may have stolen the call logs from Jan. 6.

Well duh

This is the first filing that actually connects the dots between the J6 committee finding that 7.5 hours of call logs were missing and those logs being confirmed among the stolen documents. Now there's a nexus, which may broaden the scope of the obstruction of justice.

I expect he destroyed them though. If he kept them lying around one of his condos or golf courses, he's even dumber than I thought he was, and that's already incredibly dumb.

 

[(HULK)]

Well this makes a lot of sense. Latest DOJ filing indicates that Trump may have stolen the call logs from Jan. 6.

Wait, what?

page 6

NARA confirmed call logs were missing from Jan 5 and 6. This confirms that Trump had call logs in the classified documents. Since NARA confirmed to the J6 committee that there weren't any other call logs missing, this filing seems to confirm that these are the logs he stole,

I'm on my phone at the moment... They HAVE the logs?!?!?

 

[2Squirrels1Nut]

Well this makes a lot of sense. Latest DOJ filing indicates that Trump may have stolen the call logs from Jan. 6.

Well duh

This is the first filing that actually connects the dots between the J6 committee finding that 7.5 hours of call logs were missing and those logs being confirmed among the stolen documents. Now there's a nexus, which may broaden the scope of the obstruction of justice.

I expect he destroyed them though. If he kept them lying around one of his condos or golf courses, he's even dumber than I thought he was, and that's already incredibly dumb.

Maybe he destroyed every copy.... just by thinking about it.

 

[-fish-]

Well this makes a lot of sense. Latest DOJ filing indicates that Trump may have stolen the call logs from Jan. 6.

Wait, what?

page 6

NARA confirmed call logs were missing from Jan 5 and 6. This confirms that Trump had call logs in the classified documents. Since NARA confirmed to the J6 committee that there weren't any other call logs missing, this filing seems to confirm that these are the logs he stole,

I'm on my phone at the moment... They HAVE the logs?!?!?

They have White House logs. The filing doesn't say what logs. NARA officials as part of the J6 hearings said the only logs missing were from J6.

 

[2Squirrels1Nut]

Well this makes a lot of sense. Latest DOJ filing indicates that Trump may have stolen the call logs from Jan. 6.

Wait, what?

page 6

NARA confirmed call logs were missing from Jan 5 and 6. This confirms that Trump had call logs in the classified documents. Since NARA confirmed to the J6 committee that there weren't any other call logs missing, this filing seems to confirm that these are the logs he stole,

I'm on my phone at the moment... They HAVE the logs?!?!?

They have White House logs. The filing doesn't say what logs. NARA officials as part of the J6 hearings said the only logs missing were from J6.

Just another coincidence.

 

[2Squirrels1Nut]

I am seeing conflicting information. I thought Thomas could only reject or refer to the full court. I read an ABC News story that he could choose to decide this himself.

Which is it?

Good thread here

 

[moleculo]

Well this makes a lot of sense. Latest DOJ filing indicates that Trump may have stolen the call logs from Jan. 6.

Well duh

This is the first filing that actually connects the dots between the J6 committee finding that 7.5 hours of call logs were missing and those logs being confirmed among the stolen documents. Now there's a nexus, which may broaden the scope of the obstruction of justice.

Yeah... if true, from a legal perspective, this is significant/a big deal.

Can you please expand on this? is this evidence of guilt, hiding evidence, etc? Why would this move the needle from a legal perspective?

 

[Zow]

Well this makes a lot of sense. Latest DOJ filing indicates that Trump may have stolen the call logs from Jan. 6.

Well duh

This is the first filing that actually connects the dots between the J6 committee finding that 7.5 hours of call logs were missing and those logs being confirmed among the stolen documents. Now there's a nexus, which may broaden the scope of the obstruction of justice.

Yeah... if true, from a legal perspective, this is significant/a big deal.

Can you please expand on this? is this evidence of guilt, hiding evidence, etc? Why would this move the needle from a legal perspective?

Pretty much.

A lot of the analysis from a criminal law perspective is whether there's evidence of the suspect's intent. Here, if Trump singularly took his call logs from 1/6, it's at least circumstantial evidence that suggests he is trying to hide something and, extending the logic, knows he committed an unlawful act.

It's also strong direct evidence of possible obstruction of justice.

 

[moleculo]

Well this makes a lot of sense. Latest DOJ filing indicates that Trump may have stolen the call logs from Jan. 6.

Well duh

This is the first filing that actually connects the dots between the J6 committee finding that 7.5 hours of call logs were missing and those logs being confirmed among the stolen documents. Now there's a nexus, which may broaden the scope of the obstruction of justice.

Yeah... if true, from a legal perspective, this is significant/a big deal.

Can you please expand on this? is this evidence of guilt, hiding evidence, etc? Why would this move the needle from a legal perspective?

Pretty much.

A lot of the analysis from a criminal law perspective is whether there's evidence of the suspect's intent. Here, if Trump singularly took his call logs from 1/6, it's at least circumstantial evidence that suggests he is trying to hide something and, extending the logic, knows he committed an unlawful act.

It's also strong direct evidence of possible obstruction of justice.

thanks. I'm sure this isn't your area of expertise, but does obstruction of justice require intent? I would think that keeping call logs from 1/6 but not 1/7 (for example) would demonstrate intent.

 

[Zow]

Well this makes a lot of sense. Latest DOJ filing indicates that Trump may have stolen the call logs from Jan. 6.

Well duh

This is the first filing that actually connects the dots between the J6 committee finding that 7.5 hours of call logs were missing and those logs being confirmed among the stolen documents. Now there's a nexus, which may broaden the scope of the obstruction of justice.

Yeah... if true, from a legal perspective, this is significant/a big deal.

Can you please expand on this? is this evidence of guilt, hiding evidence, etc? Why would this move the needle from a legal perspective?

Pretty much.

A lot of the analysis from a criminal law perspective is whether there's evidence of the suspect's intent. Here, if Trump singularly took his call logs from 1/6, it's at least circumstantial evidence that suggests he is trying to hide something and, extending the logic, knows he committed an unlawful act.

It's also strong direct evidence of possible obstruction of justice.

thanks. I'm sure this isn't your area of expertise, but does obstruction of justice require intent? I would think that keeping call logs from 1/6 but not 1/7 (for example) would demonstrate intent.

It depends on the specific statute (whether federal or a particular state's). Generally, obstruction of justice requires some level of criminal intent (whether that's intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly may depend on the particular applicable statute).

 

[-fish-]

11th Circuit grants DOJ's request to fast track its appeal of Judge Cannon's special master order. I'm not even sure this matters anymore, but one more loss for Trump and a failed attempt at delay.

 

[The General]

Another lie exposed

This dude has changed his story and lied about this so many times. Here's the latest:

Trump said the FBI found classified documents at his home because federal workers packed them. But emails Bloomberg got show boxes were already packed when movers arrived.​

 

[-fish-]

Another lie exposed

This dude has changed his story and lied about this so many times. Here's the latest:

Trump said the FBI found classified documents at his home because federal workers packed them. But emails Bloomberg got show boxes were already packed when movers arrived.​

The lawyers must just go bang their heads on the wall every time he comes up with a new lie.

 

[The General]

Another lie exposed

This dude has changed his story and lied about this so many times. Here's the latest:

Trump said the FBI found classified documents at his home because federal workers packed them. But emails Bloomberg got show boxes were already packed when movers arrived.​

The lawyers must just go bang their heads on the wall every time he comes up with a new lie.

Eventually one sticks!

 

[-fish-]

Another lie exposed

This dude has changed his story and lied about this so many times. Here's the latest:

Trump said the FBI found classified documents at his home because federal workers packed them. But emails Bloomberg got show boxes were already packed when movers arrived.​

The lawyers must just go bang their heads on the wall every time he comes up with a new lie.

Eventually one sticks!

Problem is that there have already been multiple filings now in three different courts. By signing the pleadings, the attorneys are saying that they have a good faith belief that the facts are true. Every time he comes up with a new lie that contradicts the previous filings, those pleadings put the attorneys at risk for sanctions. I can't believe anyone would still represent him. Just career suicide.

 

[Mookie]

Another lie exposed

This dude has changed his story and lied about this so many times. Here's the latest:

Trump said the FBI found classified documents at his home because federal workers packed them. But emails Bloomberg got show boxes were already packed when movers arrived.​

"The agreement also allotted $2 million for Trump and $520,000 for Pence so they could acquire "office space, furniture, shipping costs and other expenses," the documents say."

Our tax dollars hard at work.

 

[-fish-]

• I don't have any classified documents
• I had classified documents, but I gave them all back
• All the documents are mine
• I declassified all of the documents I took
• I thought about declassifying the documents I took, and that's good enough
• The FBI planted classified documents
• I took the documents because they are evidence of Hillary's crimes
• The movers accidentally packed the classified documents

That's all I can remember right now. Were there more?

 

[Mookie]

• I don't have any classified documents
• I had classified documents, but I gave them all back
• All the documents are mine
• I declassified all of the documents I took
• I thought about declassifying the documents I took, and that's good enough
• The FBI planted classified documents
• I took the documents because they are evidence of Hillary's crimes
• The movers accidentally packed the classified documents

That's all I can remember right now. Were there more?

He's become Tommy Flanagan