Question for you - did the car shop that was being protected that night burn to the ground?
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Kyle Rittenhouse Trial: Defense Rests. Resisting the urge to go full HT and just purge this crapshow of a thread. (2 Viewers)
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unckeyherb
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Even worse. Like I said, the media calling him a white supremecist, a domestic terrorist, an active shooter and gladly upholding the meme that a. he was running around shooting protesters (I believe these were Joe Scarborough's words) and b. the folks killed were black, all serve to make this country blow up again when he is found not guilty. Plenty of low information, headline readers out there that believe this is a slam dunk conviction and will claim systemic racism or rigged system if/when he is not convicted. Then cities will burn.
KarmaPolice
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Insein
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"Come on judge look at the way she was dressed and where she was at. She knew what she was doing and got exactly what she wanted."
Insein
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Bottomfeeder Sports
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Did the owners of the car shop run downtown to protect it? Or did they hightail out of town once they finished removing their cars and whatever else that they valued per last week's testimony?
So your answer is no, but the question itself proves nothing since the owners did not grab a gun to run and protect it. Those idiots (based on their testimony) were smart enough to get out of town, despite their rights.
Phil Elliott
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What if the mob decided to target that business that night? That they did not attack the "good guys with guns" but only the property? What do the "good guys with guns" do to stop it? What could they legally do if the mob tested them?
Sure I get this hypothetical is somewhat dependent on the mod having some form of self control to keep the "attack" focused and is thus hard to imagine. But [accidently hit post going to continue in a second].
But I think depending on the crowd to lose focus on the property and start in on those "protecting" it as cause to actually do something is problematic also.
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Why do you quote me - for the third time in a couple of days - and then post stuff that has nothing to do with what I said?
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Stoneworker
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So by your logic are you saying that...if the car shop owners made a different choice..i.e. to defend their rights and not get out of town...but to run downtown to protect their shop...that they would be "not smart" to defend their rights?
BroncoFreak_2K3
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This prosecution team is nuts. 
Bottomfeeder Sports
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I am saying that standing over the property with a gun is an ineffective way to protect one's business during an expected riot. One where the potential costs would almost always out weigh the benefits. That at best the gun is an effective deterrent. Actually firing the weapon would bring the worst of the costs.
The General
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For me it is open carry, but especially in this scenario. The amount of responsibility someone is taking is too great. It's hard enough for police who have training, decades of policy in place, a chain of command, etc to navigate this.Gotcha.
So is the issue with those good samaritans carrying, or just Rittenhouse? Or is it the open Carry that you don't like?
again, just curious whether the line is… To be clear I'm not necessarily a big fan of open carry either, even if it is within rights.
It's not realistic for untrained people and is just odd to me that it should be legal.
I get it is very complicated and scenarios like the one you highlighted make it even more so.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
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This might help explain why you think you’re right
BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
This stream is awesome, thanks!
https://youtu.be/kugIqK6yhoM
The commentary is top-level. What a ####show this trial is
https://youtu.be/kugIqK6yhoM
The commentary is top-level. What a ####show this trial is
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dkp993
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The analogy of defending “my home” “my property” or some people are just willing to defend “their home” or “their property” ect ect has been brought up time and time again so yes it is absolutely being said.
Insein
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Stoneworker
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If it's within their rights to protect their property, in the manner they choose, then your own personal judgement of their cost/benefit analysis doesn't matter squat.
The General
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If this timeline is right Biden should not have done this. TBH even after the bar meetup with these dummies I don't see that being a good role for the Prez to be taking here.
Bottomfeeder Sports
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I am going to end my participation this tangent. I think we all know that some of us think that it is a poor choice to walk into this situation at all - gun or now gun. And others think it is standing up for something. I don't think it is lack of trying to understand the other side, a lack of trying to empathetic but instead a fundamental difference in how the question is approached in our minds. And I think it has reached the point of just saying the same stuff over and over. Best to end it before we start personally attacking those who could possibly think differently. Because ultimately we think differently is the answer.
NorvilleBarnes
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identikit
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dkp993
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So I’ll mark you down as a no then.
Come on Insein, seriously when you were comparing the actions of what Kyle did to the things I’m saying you are calling them comparable. Give me a break man that’s not hard to connect the dots too.
So much for attempting to find common ground.
The General
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The General
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JAA
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Id like to try this one
Its a really tough question. Sometimes, there is nothing one can do to solve citizen unrest. Sometimes things brew and are on the edge. So close to the edge it could go at any moment. IMO we saw a lot of race issues on the edge during the last 4 years. I believe elected officials should be judged on how they handle the management of citizens prior to the protest. Meaning, they need to see this coming and manage it ahead of time. For the leaders that ignore and pretend its not there, they should be gone. For the leaders who are part of a bad-place-bad-time, those are hard to judge.
identikit
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unckeyherb
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Its not just Biden. Every news org minus Fox compared him to, in no particular order, a school shooter, a rent-a-cop running around shooting wildly, a vigilante and arguably a domestic terrorist, and directly described him as a "17 year old radicalized by trumpism that...became a killer" and "a white-supremecist-domestic-terrorist" (that last one was from a sitting member of congress).
These claims are all made evidence free. I'd bet that the average person does not know that Grosskreutz had a pistol pointed at Rittenhouse nor that none of the people involved were black. This is not an accident. This is the mdeis doing their best to inflame the situation. Again, I believe without a doubt that he will be found not guilty and as a result of the fervor built up by the media's irresponsible coverage and leaders like Biden pandering to anti-racists and wokism, fact-free calling him a white supremecist will lead to riots once again. Mostly peaceful I'm sure.
Bottomfeeder Sports
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I appreciate the response. To me it could also be like a snow storm. The politician cannot prevent the storm but can be judged on how well they clean things up.Id like to try this one
Its a really tough question. Sometimes, there is nothing one can do to solve citizen unrest. Sometimes things brew and are on the edge. So close to the edge it could go at any moment. IMO we saw a lot of race issues on the edge during the last 4 years. I believe elected officials should be judged on how they handle the management of citizens prior to the protest. Meaning, they need to see this coming and manage it ahead of time. For the leaders that ignore and pretend its not there, they should be gone. For the leaders who are part of a bad-place-bad-time, those are hard to judge.
But what I really was wondering is if I was a self centered politician what course of action (cracking down, holding back, whatever) would be statistically likely to enhance my political ambitions. Because when someone says it was all political this what I think that means.
JAA
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Good points.I appreciate the response. To me it could also be like a snow storm. The politician cannot prevent the storm but can be judged on how well they clean things up.Id like to try this one
Its a really tough question. Sometimes, there is nothing one can do to solve citizen unrest. Sometimes things brew and are on the edge. So close to the edge it could go at any moment. IMO we saw a lot of race issues on the edge during the last 4 years. I believe elected officials should be judged on how they handle the management of citizens prior to the protest. Meaning, they need to see this coming and manage it ahead of time. For the leaders that ignore and pretend its not there, they should be gone. For the leaders who are part of a bad-place-bad-time, those are hard to judge.
But what I really was wondering is if I was a self centered politician what course of action (cracking down, holding back, whatever) would be statistically likely to enhance my political ambitions. Because when someone says it was all political this what I think that means.
My trigger is usually elected officials who are overly reactionary. If someone is reacting, it means they didnt see it coming and didnt have a plan. Those folks are not quality leaders.
Phil Elliott
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KarmaPolice
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I could be off base, but my interpretation of people saying it was political (judging by the posters) was that the politicians were probably liberal, siding with the protesters/rioters, and telling the cops to stand down because of those beliefs.
Gotcha.
So is the issue with those good samaritans carrying, or just Rittenhouse? Or is it the open Carry that you don't like?
again, just curious whether the line is… To be clear I'm not necessarily a big fan of open carry either, even if it is within rights.
The narrative is Conservatives = Militia = White Supremist = Domestic Terrorts = Always Bad.
So once they establish Kyle looked like a militia dude and can be tied to conservatives and easily labeled a white supremist, the media was salivating over the story for all the potential conservative bashing they could milk the story for. They were having none of this crazy talk about semf-defense. And now every lie they told has been exposed, they are in way too deep to say 'nevermind'.
So now we still keep hearing insanely ignorant lies about how kyle went there to shoot people and how he hangs out with Proud Boys. For people who mock Trumpsters for "The Big Lie", it seems quite hypocritical.
Insein
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I never said you did. But I'm sure it came up somewhere in social media. These things don't appear in a vacuum.
Bottomfeeder Sports
Footballguy
I think that is true, but I think the next step is that doing those things would benefit the politician. Is Binger acting politically because of his political beliefs or because it would benefit his political ambitions?
And I can see someone replying
"Yes"
Insein
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BroncoFreak_2K3
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Major win in final instructions for the Prosecution. Judge allowing provocation in the jury instructions, based on the blurry video the judge himself stated he didn't see anything conclusively in. Defense was no where to be seen in objecting.
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jm192
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I'll be honest, I paid very little attention to this last year. I assumed the people that he had killed were black. The media definitely ran with the White Supremacist narrative. I didn't realize Biden had called him a white supremacist.
Going there in the 1st place with an AR was stupid. The kid isn't without fault in this. But how in the actual hell did this become a white supremacy issue?
He's going to be found innocent. Then Biden, Kamala, Pelosi, LeBron, etc. will fan the race flames. Does LeBron know he only killed white folks? He never seems this upset over white people being shot.
Going there in the 1st place with an AR was stupid. The kid isn't without fault in this. But how in the actual hell did this become a white supremacy issue?
He's going to be found innocent. Then Biden, Kamala, Pelosi, LeBron, etc. will fan the race flames. Does LeBron know he only killed white folks? He never seems this upset over white people being shot.
yeah, I'll say, unless other info comes out (Proud Boys etc) , the whole race issue being run is sickening.
jm192
Footballguy
I certainly think the media and a lot of the Liberal politicians in the country connect those dots.
Everything in the news is about the next election. And they will try to use this to ignite the Democratic party. "White Supremacist goes on a shooting spree during a BLM rally and gets off innocent."
1. The media coverage is insanely politically slanted with leftist source bending over backwards to make the victims as heros and villianize Rittenhouse.
2. The DA's office was hellbent from day 1 to throw the book at this mass shooter militia dude who crossed state lines. They have been stuck on their false narrative and refused to look at alternative possibilities (reality).
3. Now they are losing, we had Binger gunning for a mistrial with the hail Mary hope he could retry it.
4. The media has declared this judge is biased and many of the top mainstream source have characterized this trial as rigged.
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It is a dead-on 100 percent accurate apology. It is precisely the 'she should not have dressed that way arguement,' That is the majority of the case. The only part is, 'well no one else got raped, so it had to be her fault.' The arguments against Kyle are that horrific.
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