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Mike Tyson Vs Jake Paul? (1 Viewer)

Yea the videos Tyson’s account are posting everyday are legitimately terrifying. There is no way Paul can beat him if this is a legit competition. I’m sorry, it’s impossible.
The last thing to go is power. Paul acknowledges this in the clip above.

Tyson lands one good punch and it’s over. I,for one, would love to see it.
I don’t think he’s allowed to punch hard or to the head.
That’s the narrative some are pushing.

Personally, I don’t take Tyson for the type to throw a fight.

He’s a lot of things, but he’s always respected boxing. Even when he bit Evander’s ear, and sarcastically apologized, he’s since come out as remorseful that he did it, and that he didn’t give a serious apology.

He isn’t poor, isn’t desperate for money.

I’m really hoping it’s a legit fight & the knee jerk cynicism isn’t accurate.

All fouls by Holyfield

After watching that I have a completely different outlook on that incident. I can’t say that I blame Mike.

I’ve heard Mike apologize, Ive never heard anything from the not so aptly named Holyfield (whom was actually my favorite fighter at the time).

man thats crazy/ he never even got a warning from the ref for the low blows.
Ref said it once. Crazy.
 
To put it in simpler terms that GM is trying to say....

This is like betting on a WWE title bout......

Yes, this is what I should have said. TY.


Sure, WWE is scripted and everyone sort of smiles.

But that's exactly why you cannot bet on WWE, right?
State gambling regulators have all banned betting on the WWE and other popular wrestling promotions. This is because wrestling betting would involve wagering on scripted matches rather than genuinely contested bouts such as betting on UFC fights around the world.

Real boxing with real betting is never remotely ok to fix, is it? Or do I not understand gambling and boxing?

To say this is a fixed fight seems remarkable to me with zillions bet on it.
 
To put it in simpler terms that GM is trying to say....

This is like betting on a WWE title bout......

Yes, this is what I should have said. TY.


Sure, WWE is scripted and everyone sort of smiles.

But that's exactly why you cannot bet on WWE, right?
State gambling regulators have all banned betting on the WWE and other popular wrestling promotions. This is because wrestling betting would involve wagering on scripted matches rather than genuinely contested bouts such as betting on UFC fights around the world.

Real boxing with real betting is never remotely ok to fix, is it? Or do I not understand gambling and boxing?

To say this is a fixed fight seems remarkable to me with zillions bet on it.

What if I told you that you could bet on professional wrestling?
I don't think Tyson/Paul is "REAL" boxing. Can I leave it there?
 
I could be wrong but I don’t think there’s any chance this gets sanctioned, I think they know that and really don’t even want it to be sanctioned, and they just want it to seem on the up and up.
 
To put it in simpler terms that GM is trying to say....

This is like betting on a WWE title bout......

Yes, this is what I should have said. TY.


Sure, WWE is scripted and everyone sort of smiles.

But that's exactly why you cannot bet on WWE, right?
State gambling regulators have all banned betting on the WWE and other popular wrestling promotions. This is because wrestling betting would involve wagering on scripted matches rather than genuinely contested bouts such as betting on UFC fights around the world.

Real boxing with real betting is never remotely ok to fix, is it? Or do I not understand gambling and boxing?

To say this is a fixed fight seems remarkable to me with zillions bet on it.

What if I told you that you could bet on professional wrestling?
I don't think Tyson/Paul is "REAL" boxing. Can I leave it there?

Sure. One can find books to bet on just about anything. But I think most are still on the "State gambling regulators have all banned betting on the WWE and other popular wrestling promotions. This is because wrestling betting would involve wagering on scripted matches rather than genuinely contested bouts such as betting on UFC fights around the world."

I think it's remarkable a fight like that, with this much money on it, would be fixed.
 
Yes, that's what I'm suggesting. Because if you read the sentiment in here about old man Tyson being in prime shape and having old man power still and would destroy a punk like Paul, then why on earth is the betting line so skewed?

I know little about boxing gambling. But my answer to that question would be something along the lines of some people think Tyson still has old man power. And they're betting the underdog can win.

But that's a radically different thing than thinking Mike Tyson will throw the fight.

But you could well be right. I was mostly trying to make sure I understood what you were saying. Thanks.

To be clear, I didn't say that Tyson would "Throw the fight" in my post this morning. But I do think this is nothing more than theater that is staged and Tyson won't be trying to take this guy's head off. Does that mean he's 'throwing it'? I don't know but I don't think he's going to fight the guy the way he would have if he were still a professional boxer. I just think this is akin to professional wrestling in that the outcome is pre-arranged.
Throw the fight, fix is in. Potato potahhhto
 
And I guess the big thing is it seems odd a guy like Mike Tyson would intentionally be part of a fixed fight. He's had a wild past for sure. But some things are a bridge too far for great competitors. Even, maybe especially, older ones. But maybe there's much more behind the scenes I have no understanding of.

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is your answer
“The answer to all your questions is money."

---Don Ohlmeyer:
 
I agree it's not real boxing.
I don't agree it's pre-determined. It's just celebrity boxing matches.
What I can't fathom is why they generate so much PPV money. You wouldn't pay to watch Jake Paul tik tok guy play hoops against Jordan or a passing contest with Brett Favre.
 
I agree it's not real boxing.
I don't agree it's pre-determined. It's just celebrity boxing matches.
What I can't fathom is why they generate so much PPV money. You wouldn't pay to watch Jake Paul tik tok guy play hoops against Jordan or a passing contest with Brett Favre.

You have a point. I mean, ask Nate Robinson, Ben Askren and Tyrone Woodley if it was fake. Those dude got brutally knocked out.


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I agree it's not real boxing.
I don't agree it's pre-determined. It's just celebrity boxing matches.
What I can't fathom is why they generate so much PPV money. You wouldn't pay to watch Jake Paul tik tok guy play hoops against Jordan or a passing contest with Brett Favre.

You have a point. I mean, ask Nate Robinson, Ben Askren and Tyrone Woodley if it was fake. Those dude got brutally knocked out.


:stirspot:
Weren't those actual fights where both guys were trying to win?
 
I agree it's not real boxing.
I don't agree it's pre-determined. It's just celebrity boxing matches.
What I can't fathom is why they generate so much PPV money. You wouldn't pay to watch Jake Paul tik tok guy play hoops against Jordan or a passing contest with Brett Favre.

You have a point. I mean, ask Nate Robinson, Ben Askren and Tyrone Woodley if it was fake. Those dude got brutally knocked out.


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Weren't those actual fights where both guys were trying to win?

Which ones were not trying to win?

Weve accused Tyson of taking it easy on Roy Jones Jr. Jake has fought questionable opponents but the fights all seem to have been up for grabs.
 
I agree it's not real boxing.
I don't agree it's pre-determined. It's just celebrity boxing matches.
What I can't fathom is why they generate so much PPV money. You wouldn't pay to watch Jake Paul tik tok guy play hoops against Jordan or a passing contest with Brett Favre.

You have a point. I mean, ask Nate Robinson, Ben Askren and Tyrone Woodley if it was fake. Those dude got brutally knocked out.


:stirspot:
Weren't those actual fights where both guys were trying to win?

Which ones were not trying to win?

Weve accused Tyson of taking it easy on Roy Jones Jr. Jake has fought questionable opponents but the fights all seem to have been up for grabs.
Like I said, those fights seemed like actual fights.
I don't think this will be. Tysons last fight sure wasn't, and this is just the mega money grab.

I will predict this though, whatever lead up to the fight and outcome would produce the most money for the future....,...that's what is gonna happen
 
Yes, that's what I'm suggesting. Because if you read the sentiment in here about old man Tyson being in prime shape and having old man power still and would destroy a punk like Paul, then why on earth is the betting line so skewed?

I know little about boxing gambling. But my answer to that question would be something along the lines of some people think Tyson still has old man power. And they're betting the underdog can win.

But that's a radically different thing than thinking Mike Tyson will throw the fight.

But you could well be right. I was mostly trying to make sure I understood what you were saying. Thanks.

To be clear, I didn't say that Tyson would "Throw the fight" in my post this morning. But I do think this is nothing more than theater that is staged and Tyson won't be trying to take this guy's head off. Does that mean he's 'throwing it'? I don't know but I don't think he's going to fight the guy the way he would have if he were still a professional boxer. I just think this is akin to professional wrestling in that the outcome is pre-arranged.
Throw the fight, fix is in. Potato potahhhto

No.

Throw the fight = 1 fighter is in on the ruse.
Fix is in = both fighters are in on the ruse.
 
Yes, that's what I'm suggesting. Because if you read the sentiment in here about old man Tyson being in prime shape and having old man power still and would destroy a punk like Paul, then why on earth is the betting line so skewed?

I know little about boxing gambling. But my answer to that question would be something along the lines of some people think Tyson still has old man power. And they're betting the underdog can win.

But that's a radically different thing than thinking Mike Tyson will throw the fight.

But you could well be right. I was mostly trying to make sure I understood what you were saying. Thanks.

To be clear, I didn't say that Tyson would "Throw the fight" in my post this morning. But I do think this is nothing more than theater that is staged and Tyson won't be trying to take this guy's head off. Does that mean he's 'throwing it'? I don't know but I don't think he's going to fight the guy the way he would have if he were still a professional boxer. I just think this is akin to professional wrestling in that the outcome is pre-arranged.
Throw the fight, fix is in. Potato potahhhto

No.

Throw the fight = 1 fighter is in on the ruse.
Fix is in = both fighters are in on the ruse.
Thanks for clearing that up for the class
 
Thanks @Leeroy Jenkins for that clip. He's a super interesting guy.

I see this one a lot. https://www.instagram.com/reel/C4vjIzwudwa/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

I don't mean to belabor the point wtih my GB GM, but I just have a hard time seeing the guy conceding to fixing a fight. Maybe he's totally changed. People do change. But I have a hard time believing he'd throw away and make a mockery of all that he was for years.
 
If only there was some other fight in the last 3 years that Tyson carried the other guy only for it to end in a controversial draw ......
 
Thanks @Leeroy Jenkins for that clip. He's a super interesting guy.

I see this one a lot. https://www.instagram.com/reel/C4vjIzwudwa/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

I don't mean to belabor the point wtih my GB GM, but I just have a hard time seeing the guy conceding to fixing a fight. Maybe he's totally changed. People do change. But I have a hard time believing he'd throw away and make a mockery of all that he was for years.
He did that very thing his last fight
 
Thanks @Leeroy Jenkins for that clip. He's a super interesting guy.

I see this one a lot. https://www.instagram.com/reel/C4vjIzwudwa/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

I don't mean to belabor the point wtih my GB GM, but I just have a hard time seeing the guy conceding to fixing a fight. Maybe he's totally changed. People do change. But I have a hard time believing he'd throw away and make a mockery of all that he was for years.
He did that very thing his last fight

I don’t think he threw that fight. I think he was high and he is old and hadn’t fought or trained for like 20 years. Roy Jones had fought more recently and is an all-time great. It was a true exhibition without a crowd.
 
Thanks @Leeroy Jenkins for that clip. He's a super interesting guy.

I see this one a lot. https://www.instagram.com/reel/C4vjIzwudwa/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

I don't mean to belabor the point wtih my GB GM, but I just have a hard time seeing the guy conceding to fixing a fight. Maybe he's totally changed. People do change. But I have a hard time believing he'd throw away and make a mockery of all that he was for years.
He did that very thing his last fight

Lots of people would disagree. Me included.
 
Thanks @Leeroy Jenkins for that clip. He's a super interesting guy.

I see this one a lot. https://www.instagram.com/reel/C4vjIzwudwa/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

I don't mean to belabor the point wtih my GB GM, but I just have a hard time seeing the guy conceding to fixing a fight. Maybe he's totally changed. People do change. But I have a hard time believing he'd throw away and make a mockery of all that he was for years.
He did that very thing his last fight

Lots of people would disagree. Me included.
Count the number of headshots he threw
 
Thanks @Leeroy Jenkins for that clip. He's a super interesting guy.

I see this one a lot. https://www.instagram.com/reel/C4vjIzwudwa/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

I don't mean to belabor the point wtih my GB GM, but I just have a hard time seeing the guy conceding to fixing a fight. Maybe he's totally changed. People do change. But I have a hard time believing he'd throw away and make a mockery of all that he was for years.
He did that very thing his last fight

Lots of people would disagree. Me included.
Count the number of headshots he threw

Sure. But that's not going to change the fact I have a hard time believing he'd throw away and make a mockery of all that he was for years. I fully understand you do believe that and that's cool. We just disagree.
 
Thanks @Leeroy Jenkins for that clip. He's a super interesting guy.

I see this one a lot. https://www.instagram.com/reel/C4vjIzwudwa/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

I don't mean to belabor the point wtih my GB GM, but I just have a hard time seeing the guy conceding to fixing a fight. Maybe he's totally changed. People do change. But I have a hard time believing he'd throw away and make a mockery of all that he was for years.
He did that very thing his last fight

Lots of people would disagree. Me included.
Count the number of headshots he threw

Sure. But that's not going to change the fact I have a hard time believing he'd throw away and make a mockery of all that he was for years. I fully understand you do believe that and that's cool. We just disagree.

If you were in Vegas and saw Tyson +300 would you be tempted to throw a few bucks on him to win? That's a really juicy line available to bet on one of the scariest human beings who has ever stepped into a boxing ring to take on a Youtuber. Seems almost too good to be true. I'm still highly skeptical this is legit, but I'm curious what the bettors will do here.
 
Thanks @Leeroy Jenkins for that clip. He's a super interesting guy.

I see this one a lot. https://www.instagram.com/reel/C4vjIzwudwa/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

I don't mean to belabor the point wtih my GB GM, but I just have a hard time seeing the guy conceding to fixing a fight. Maybe he's totally changed. People do change. But I have a hard time believing he'd throw away and make a mockery of all that he was for years.
He did that very thing his last fight

Lots of people would disagree. Me included.
Count the number of headshots he threw

Sure. But that's not going to change the fact I have a hard time believing he'd throw away and make a mockery of all that he was for years. I fully understand you do believe that and that's cool. We just disagree.

I don't think he can win. I don't think he will have the power or reach to knock Paul out, and I don't think he will have the stamina to go more than a few rounds.

Tyson will be 58 when they fight - and he wasn't the most disciplined trainer when he was in his prime...
 
If you were in Vegas and saw Tyson +300 would you be tempted to throw a few bucks on him to win? That's a really juicy line available to bet on one of the scariest human beings who has ever stepped into a boxing ring to take on a Youtuber. Seems almost too good to be true. I'm still highly skeptical this is legit, but I'm curious what the bettors will do here.

In Week 1 of the NFL season, Dallas went on the road and, behind Dak Prescott, destroyed the Giants 40-0. Meanwhile, the Jets lost Aaron Rodgers. In week 2, those Jets had to travel to Dallas to face the Cowboys on their home turf with Zach Wilson as QB. They were about +300 in that game, which then ended up losing 30-10 after Wilson threw 3 INTs.

I can't wrap my head around the equivalence "Mike Tyson is the Zach Wilson of Boxing, while Jake Paul is the Dallas Cowboys". At least not in any real, legitimate, normal boxing match.
 
On Tyson's last appearance against Roy Jones, Jr.

When everyone that contributed to that article says it was a “draw”, the quotation marks tell you something. It was a show, plain and simple. Neither of them were trying to win. And in that link they say Tyson clearly “won”, but it was declared a “draw”.

This will be the same. And correct me if I’m wrong, unless it’s a sanctioned fight, no real sportsbook will take action on it correct?
 
On Tyson's last appearance against Roy Jones, Jr.

When everyone that contributed to that article says it was a “draw”, the quotation marks tell you something. It was a show, plain and simple. Neither of them were trying to win. And in that link they say Tyson clearly “won”, but it was declared a “draw”.

This will be the same. And correct me if I’m wrong, unless it’s a sanctioned fight, no real sportsbook will take action on it correct?
There will likely be low maximum bets allowed.
Probably no million dollar Drake bets
 
Thanks @Leeroy Jenkins for that clip. He's a super interesting guy.

I see this one a lot. https://www.instagram.com/reel/C4vjIzwudwa/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

I don't mean to belabor the point wtih my GB GM, but I just have a hard time seeing the guy conceding to fixing a fight. Maybe he's totally changed. People do change. But I have a hard time believing he'd throw away and make a mockery of all that he was for years.
He did that very thing his last fight

Lots of people would disagree. Me included.
Count the number of headshots he threw

Sure. But that's not going to change the fact I have a hard time believing he'd throw away and make a mockery of all that he was for years. I fully understand you do believe that and that's cool. We just disagree.
He was awesome in the hangover. He had a cartoon, Mike Tyson mysteries(which was hilarious). He sells/promotes weed. He’s just looking to make money. Iron Mike Tyson’s legacy is secure. This is a very smart GIANT money grab. It will be a draw, setting up a rematch which will be ppv
 
The old mike Tyson is emerging.... the on edge ...mean and unpredictable Tyson . Jake Paul underestimated the 58 yo Tyson and thought he could get a big payday vs the weed smoking ***** cat Tyson , but hes gonna get the Untamed Tiger Tyson. I bet any amount of money Paul ''gets injured'' right before the fight goes down just to get out of it .
 
I bet any amount of money Paul ''gets injured'' right before the fight goes down just to get out of it .

I'd love to take that bet. I would think there would be a market for it here. Surely Netflix has a contractual out if the fight is cancelled.
 
If this is legit Paul is going to sleep. I don’t care how old Mike is. He’s a former unified world champion with all that experience.

Jake has fought dudes where boxing hasn’t even been their main sport- except for Furybro, which he lost. He couldn’t even finish Nate Diaz, who was virtually defenseless because his instincts were to grab.

I feel so stupid for falling for this. :bag:
 
The rules sound even worse than we expected

16oz gloves
2 minute rounds
no judges will score fight (winner can only come by knock out, which is unlikely fighting with pillows for gloves)
both fighters must pass EKG and EEG tests (this is mostly to make sure Tyson is fit)

So it is pretty much a pure exhibition like the Roy Jones Jr Tyson fight was.
 
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The rules sound even worse than we expected

16oz gloves
2 minute rounds
no judges will score fight (winner can only come by knock out, which is unlikely fighting with pillows for gloves)
both fighters must pass EKG and EEG tests* (this is mostly to make sure Tyson is fit)

So it is pretty much a pure exhibition like the Roy Jones Jr Tyson fight was.
Yeah that sounds about right.
 

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