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***Official 2014 World Cup Thread*** (2 Viewers)

Forgotton player from the 98 French team. Also started for Real Madrid in the 98 Final (alongside Roberto Carlos)

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The Kansas Comet said:
otello said:
I want Argentina to win. Their 4-0 loss in 2010 is on every Argentine's mind and could be repeated without surprise. What is the best game plan to not repeat that performance, besides Messi having the match of his career?
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I think they will have to defend as well as they have in the last two matches. They gave up a total of 7 shots on goal against Belgium and the Netherlands and will need to remain as organized as they've been in the knockout round. Germany should want to take the game to them more, so hopefully Argentina will be able to successfully counterattack them and nick a goal or two against the run of play.
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Yes. What killed them in the 2010 final was giving up an early goal to Germany. That forced them into a more attacking and risky strategy, and opened it up for German scores. Their defense has been solid so far, not having conceded a goal in the last 373 minutes of play. Germany has to be favored, but if it is still 0-0 in the second half, anything could happen.

 
DiStefano said:
The Kansas Comet said:
otello said:
I want Argentina to win. Their 4-0 loss in 2010 is on every Argentine's mind and could be repeated without surprise. What is the best game plan to not repeat that performance, besides Messi having the match of his career?
Click to expand...
I think they will have to defend as well as they have in the last two matches. They gave up a total of 7 shots on goal against Belgium and the Netherlands and will need to remain as organized as they've been in the knockout round. Germany should want to take the game to them more, so hopefully Argentina will be able to successfully counterattack them and nick a goal or two against the run of play.
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Yes. What killed them in the 2010 final was giving up an early goal to Germany. That forced them into a more attacking and risky strategy, and opened it up for German scores. Their defense has been solid so far, not having conceded a goal in the last 373 minutes of play. Germany has to be favored, but if it is still 0-0 in the second half, anything could happen.
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quarterfinal

 
CletiusMaximus said:
DiStefano said:
The Kansas Comet said:
otello said:
I want Argentina to win. Their 4-0 loss in 2010 is on every Argentine's mind and could be repeated without surprise. What is the best game plan to not repeat that performance, besides Messi having the match of his career?
Click to expand...
I think they will have to defend as well as they have in the last two matches. They gave up a total of 7 shots on goal against Belgium and the Netherlands and will need to remain as organized as they've been in the knockout round. Germany should want to take the game to them more, so hopefully Argentina will be able to successfully counterattack them and nick a goal or two against the run of play.
Click to expand...
Yes. What killed them in the 2010 final was giving up an early goal to Germany. That forced them into a more attacking and risky strategy, and opened it up for German scores. Their defense has been solid so far, not having conceded a goal in the last 373 minutes of play. Germany has to be favored, but if it is still 0-0 in the second half, anything could happen.
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quarterfinal
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Right. I remembered it wrong, but then I realized it wasn't the 2010 final, that was Spain-Netherlands.

 
Eephus said:
Sebowski said:
The Gator said:
Sebowski said:
Youtube is streaming the sounders timbers us open game.
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not sure watching a guys shrunken browser with tin commentary is going to fly, gb
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HD thru my xbox on my 65 inch tv, guy.
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It's just like watching the World Cup at work. Except for the backs of fans' heads every time the action is on the near sideline.
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You don't know how many times we've yelled "down in front!"

It's 4. 4 times, btw.

 
guru_007 said:
Van Gaal really blew it for Holland today.

Started two questionable players with fitness issues and was forced to make changes. Probably would have rather preferred Krul in net for pks - even after JVG stated himself that both other keepers were stronger in pk's than Cillejson (sp)

Not that the Dutch keeper blew the pks.....but Krul would have been preferred.

Oh, and throwing out Vlaar as your first pk taker. :puke:

I root for Germany, and think they should be pretty strong favorites.

Argie was held by a long in the tooth, beat up Dutch squad with their captain obviously in the middle of his period.

Germans are fully healthy. Should be a decided advantage.

Put me on the record of saying Germans win this convincingly.
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Is that the same record that had England going through and Argentina getting knocked out super early? You know your #### when you aren't being a homer/hater. Not so much the other way. I'm sure I can trust you on this….

 
wdcrob said:
Should be a good game. Germany probably won't feel like they can't play with Argentina, so hopefully they won't put five guys around Messi and we'll actually have some offense.
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Except that no one else on Argentina has stepped up, so Germany can afford to have Shwein, Kheidra, and Kroos blanket Messi and win the game 8 v 10. It is getting embarrassing how little anyone else from Argentina has shown up.

 
Speaking of embarrassing, why is this site useless from midnight to 1am Pacific time? There has to be a good number of West Coast posters on this site. Why not slow it down from like 2-3am Pacific?

 
Sebowski said:
guru_007 said:
Van Gaal really blew it for Holland today.

Started two questionable players with fitness issues and was forced to make changes. Probably would have rather preferred Krul in net for pks - even after JVG stated himself that both other keepers were stronger in pk's than Cillejson (sp)

Not that the Dutch keeper blew the pks.....but Krul would have been preferred.

Oh, and throwing out Vlaar as your first pk taker. :puke:

I root for Germany, and think they should be pretty strong favorites.

Argie was held by a long in the tooth, beat up Dutch squad with their captain obviously in the middle of his period.

Germans are fully healthy. Should be a decided advantage.

Put me on the record of saying Germans win this convincingly.
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Is that the same record that had England going through and Argentina getting knocked out super early? You know your #### when you aren't being a homer/hater. Not so much the other way. I'm sure I can trust you on this….
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not sure what you're getting at here....yes I'm an unabashed Argentina hater. But I'm also a pretty practical soccer fan.

In the World Cup pool I had Argentina getting to the finals (and losing), so I'm not so blind as to see that Argentina aren't a good side.

I was breaking down what I saw in the game. I understand Van Gaal was reluctant to sit his captain and DeJong if they say they are fit, but it what was sure to be a tight game with a decent proposition to go to PK's, he started them anwyay knowing them going the full 90/120 was probably not in the cards.

In the quarters he already subbed out his starting gk at the 120 for pks' and went on record saying both his other gk's were better at PK's....so why wouldn't he opt for that change again if he could?

And then he runs Vlaar out there for his first pk? Argentina opts for Messi? slight advantage Argentina there.

And as for my prediction for the final, I've always been amongst the biggest German homers, sure. But nothing Argentina did against the Dutchies makes me think they will be better in the finals - save a miraculous DiMaria return and Aguero somehow finds an elixir of life +9.

 
Sebowski said:
wdcrob said:
Should be a good game. Germany probably won't feel like they can't play with Argentina, so hopefully they won't put five guys around Messi and we'll actually have some offense.
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Except that no one else on Argentina has stepped up, so Germany can afford to have Shwein, Kheidra, and Kroos blanket Messi and win the game 8 v 10. It is getting embarrassing how little anyone else from Argentina has shown up.
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For all the star power they have, Argentina has produced some of the most boring games in the knock out rounds, including yesterday.

DiMaria it seems was a huge loss for them. I'd be interested if someone felt competent to compare Messi's supporting cast to Maradona's, just for fun. I was in Germany in 1986 and saw most every game, but was even more clueless back then on the game than I am now. I remember a few guys like Burruchaga, Valdano and Batista but have no idea how they compare to the current cast surrounding Messi.

 
CletiusMaximus said:
Sebowski said:
wdcrob said:
Should be a good game. Germany probably won't feel like they can't play with Argentina, so hopefully they won't put five guys around Messi and we'll actually have some offense.
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Except that no one else on Argentina has stepped up, so Germany can afford to have Shwein, Kheidra, and Kroos blanket Messi and win the game 8 v 10. It is getting embarrassing how little anyone else from Argentina has shown up.
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For all the star power they have, Argentina has produced some of the most boring games in the knock out rounds, including yesterday.

DiMaria it seems was a huge loss for them. I'd be interested if someone felt competent to compare Messi's supporting cast to Maradona's, just for fun. I was in Germany in 1986 and saw most every game, but was even more clueless back then on the game than I am now. I remember a few guys like Burruchaga, Valdano and Batista but have no idea how they compare to the current cast surrounding Messi.
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The health of DiMaria and Aguero certainly hurts things. Higuain and Lavezzi have not been playing the best.

However, overall, Argentina is playing pretty defensively and doing surprisingly well at it. That has been the backbone of their run and it will be interesting to see if it holds up versus Germany.

 
Slapdash said:
CletiusMaximus said:
Sebowski said:
wdcrob said:
Should be a good game. Germany probably won't feel like they can't play with Argentina, so hopefully they won't put five guys around Messi and we'll actually have some offense.
Click to expand...
Except that no one else on Argentina has stepped up, so Germany can afford to have Shwein, Kheidra, and Kroos blanket Messi and win the game 8 v 10. It is getting embarrassing how little anyone else from Argentina has shown up.
Click to expand...
For all the star power they have, Argentina has produced some of the most boring games in the knock out rounds, including yesterday.

DiMaria it seems was a huge loss for them. I'd be interested if someone felt competent to compare Messi's supporting cast to Maradona's, just for fun. I was in Germany in 1986 and saw most every game, but was even more clueless back then on the game than I am now. I remember a few guys like Burruchaga, Valdano and Batista but have no idea how they compare to the current cast surrounding Messi.
Click to expand...
The health of DiMaria and Aguero certainly hurts things. Higuain and Lavezzi have not been playing the best.

However, overall, Argentina is playing pretty defensively and doing surprisingly well at it. That has been the backbone of their run and it will be interesting to see if it holds up versus Germany.
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What is Aguero's status? 90% or something like that?

 
In our office pool I have gone 14 for 14 in the knockout round to draw dead even for first with a guy that has Germany as the winner. I was behind after Group Stage so I went with Argentina to win it all. First place is ~750 bucks. Assuming Germany to be a slight favorite, what would be an appropriate offer for a chop? 400/350? Or am I gonna have to guarantee a little more to the guy that has the favorite?

 
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