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If Trump gets Michigan, than yes. PA or WI and he wins.VA to Biden. Trump should get Texas, GA, NC, and looks like Michigan. He just needs PA or WI if that is true, right?
If Trump gets Michigan, than yes. PA or WI and he wins.VA to Biden. Trump should get Texas, GA, NC, and looks like Michigan. He just needs PA or WI if that is true, right?
see my post from a minute ago, I tried to summarize itI honestly don't follow this stuff very closely. What does that look like for predicting outcome?
Michigan is nowhere near being decided.VA to Biden. Trump should get Texas, GA, NC, and looks like Michigan. He just needs PA or WI if that is true, right?
Lawyers gotta get their cut.It's going to be a long drawn out ugly legal fight in PA (at least) by one or both campaigns.
A non-billionaire but just as well-known Trump could have run against wealth-pretention/condescension mindset in this country and won in a landslide. There is a real resentment from the middle-class and lower toward those who see themselves as entitled to "rule" imo. Maybe start a 5 Figure party?
And I may kill that by saying that I desperately want Biden/Harris to win, but as a lifelong conservative, I understand people's grievances with that sort of thing. From the ages of 17-27 I, in both my academic pursuits and work, dealt with sneering liberals and self-assured politicos of the leftist stripe and saw the potential for smaller town America to break really red, regardless of self-interest. The phrase that sums up liberal condescension best was embodied in one book's rhetorical question: What's The Matter With Kansas? Insisting that these people were voting against their own good, the authors proceeded to write a book trying to understand the root cause of the dissonance between people's policy preferences and their voting habits.
I never read the book but the question itself brought about the obvious observation that if you have to ask, you'll never know. They still haven't learned.
That said, this election is not over.
270 to win uses a broad average of state pollsWhich polls are you using? RCP had Biden +0.9 in Florida and +5 in Nebraska CD 2, and 538 had Biden +0.9 in Georgia and +1.7 in North Carolina — all of which went to Trump.
pretty sure I posted LA but I'll do another summary to reflect all the west coast updates@BobbyLayne, I might be behind and missed your last red/blue tally post -- but Louisiana was called for Trump a while ago by at least local media.
Books will get murderer playing this game. Smart people have locked in a profit regardless of outcome.It seems they were way over exposed on a Trump win, freaked out based on early returns, and needed to slow that down and juice more action on Biden for a couple hours.
If people stopped doing stupid #### we wouldn't have jobs.Lawyers gotta get their cut.
Betonline.com hasn't even hidden this as true earlier today. 80% of their bets/$ on Trump. So I am sure they were welcoming Joe $ tonight.It seems they were way over exposed on a Trump win, freaked out based on early returns, and needed to slow that down and juice more action on Biden for a couple hours.
269-269 tie goes into the House of Representatives if there are no faithless electors.So who wins the 269-269 tie? Probably Trump due to the small state advantage?
Spot on. I shared the same thing with a friend of mine (about Wisconsin) tonight. Lots of people don’t want the govt telling them what to do.I truly think the way our Governor (Michigan) handled the pandemic cost Biden the state. She thought she was helping him, but the majority got tired of her stance and I feel a lot of the votes for Trump were votes against her.
NBC suggested Trump, yeah.So who wins the 269-269 tie? Probably Trump due to the small state advantage?
I assume he's not counting something as a flip if it was within the margin of error? I don't know. I've kind of been wondering that as well.Which polls are you using? RCP had Biden +0.9 in Florida and +5 in Nebraska CD 2, and 538 had Biden +0.9 in Georgia and +1.7 in North Carolina — all of which went to Trump.
The House decides. I believeSo who wins the 269-269 tie? Probably Trump due to the small state advantage?
Depends on the House makeup, but probably Trump.So who wins the 269-269 tie? Probably Trump due to the small state advantage?
I'm not. Mitch needs to lose power. Worthless as they come.I'm actually okay with that. I'd rather a bit of a gridlock and a return to respectability.
Put differently, I hope the next four years are boring and the PSF turns into a graveyard.
Well yeah. The raison d'être for the law is because people are uncivilized.If people stopped doing stupid #### we wouldn't have jobs.
Fortunately, job security is not a problem in the profession.
Not surprisingly, as we are getting lit up with cases.Spot on. I shared the same thing with a friend of mine (about Wisconsin) tonight. Lots of people don’t want the govt telling them what to do.
Here is his path without PA.VA to Biden. Trump should get Texas, GA, NC, and looks like Michigan. He just needs PA or WI if that is true, right?
Well THIS would be fun.Depends on the House makeup, but probably Trump.
There was a chance of getting Kamala Harris as Trump's VP, but that won't happen if the Republicans hold the Senate.
LolFaithless elector voting for Biden would be a textbook example of why we have the electoral college procedure. To protect the educated from the uneducated masses.
Is Michigan continuing to count through the night, or are they stopping?Michigan is nowhere near being decided.
Yep. It looks exponential for cases, hospitalizations and even deaths, which usually lag: https://www.covidactnow.org/us/wisconsin-wi?s=1279305Not surprisingly, as we are getting lit up with cases.
<_<Faithless elector voting for Biden would be a textbook example of why we have the electoral college procedure. To protect the educated from the uneducated masses.
No but Trump with sizable lead, especially if you compare to polls one of which had Biden by 17.Michigan is nowhere near being decided.
By state delegation, each state gets 1 vote.The House decides. I believe
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Uneducated voters broke heavily for Trump. That is not a debatable point, really. A faithless elector casting a vote for Biden would be the exact check on popular democracy the Founders foresaw.
AP says Biden with an 8% lead with 74% of precincts reporting in AZ. I guess it depends on where the outstanding votes are. Anyone know if Maricopa County (Phoenix metro) is finished counting yet?GOP guys saying that the Fox call for Arizona was too soon. No idea if this is true.
So? I would challenge the assertion that having a college degree makes you educated.And before people take that wrong, this is an almost historic divide between the educated and those without college degrees, and their support is as you would imagine.
77% according to the nytimesAP says Biden with an 8% lead with 74% of precincts reporting in AZ. I guess it depends on where the outstanding votes are. Anyone know if Maricopa County (Phoenix metro) is finished counting yet?
My local news is saying no. There are some rural counties as well and some late in person voting across the state.AP says Biden with an 8% lead with 74% of precincts reporting in AZ. I guess it depends on where the outstanding votes are. Anyone know if Maricopa County (Phoenix metro) is finished counting yet?
Sans Culottes take the dayUneducated voters broke heavily for Trump. That is not a debatable point, really. A faithless elector casting a vote for Biden would be the exact check on popular democracy the Founders foresaw.
Would you really like an IQ test to determine it, then.So? I would challenge the assertion that having a college degree makes you educated.
In other words..."No good. I've known too many Spaniards."
Smart? No.So? I would challenge the assertion that having a college degree makes you educated.
Are there known to be repurcussions against faithless electors? I assume that person is toast in their state party apparatus. Anything else? Lost business? Kicked off boards? Loss of status in community?Faithless elector voting for Biden would be a textbook example of why we have the electoral college procedure. To protect the educated from the uneducated masses.
So that means Biden with the house holding right?269-269 tie goes into the House of Representatives if there are no faithless electors.
Donovan McNabb, is that you? JK, Jux. I only know because I was once a dork.
I like you, Rock, but this is gross.Uneducated voters broke heavily for Trump. That is not a debatable point, really. A faithless elector casting a vote for Biden would be the exact check on popular democracy the Founders foresaw.
I wouldn't.Smart? No.
Educated? I think by definition yes, a college degree would make one educated.