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***Official ALDS Baltimore Orioles vs Detroit Tigers thread**** (1 Viewer)
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ClownCausedChaos2
Footballguy
If the O's score again, do you sit Britton in the 9th? Seems unorthodox, but why not save him, rather than as him to get 4 outs in a wide open game?
Yeah, it really is the worst bullpen in the majors. Anyone who comes here will have their career ruined.
The_Man
Footballguy
Britton finishes. Earl Weaver philosophy: win today's game and worry about tomorrow when you get there
BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
Tigers oooff
ClownCausedChaos2
Footballguy
With a noon game tomorrow and Britton not having thrown an inning and a third to close a game all year?As I type this, the O's are now up seven. I disagree, I think you sit him. Then again, I'm on couch for a reason.
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I'm with CCC2, put Hunter in and let Britton be ready for tomorrow if needed.
/&@!
The_Man
Footballguy
BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
ClownCausedChaos2
Footballguy
I'm just going to assume that Showalter told Jones to save his hits for Game 2.
ClownCausedChaos2
Footballguy
Yep, having your opponent burn through their bullpen in the first game is big.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Seen this song and dance before. See you next year. Maybe DD can take some of the money Scherzer wouldn't take and use it on Andrew Miller and Nelson Cruz. So sick of seeing him kill us.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Too bad we had to DFA Danny Worth. He had a nice knuckleball that came handy for games like this.
tri-man 47
Footballguy
We've got the O's right where we want 'em ...
Gopher State
Footballguy
Unreal that Max would get beat upLiquid said:
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
That's one run scored for every five pitches. Very efficient effortYeah Orioles bullpen threw 74 pitches, Tigers 35.
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Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Orioles fans getting salty already?That's one run scored for every five pitches. Very efficient effortYeah Orioles bullpen threw 74 pitches, Tigers 35.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
A loss is a loss. This one was way less painful than having a lead in the 8th or 9th and losing.
Verlander will have to earn his money tomorrow. One thing that troubles me is did you see Ausmus look at Lamont and say.."take him out?" with Soria. If the Tiger do win it will be in spite of Ausmus.
Verlander will have to earn his money tomorrow. One thing that troubles me is did you see Ausmus look at Lamont and say.."take him out?" with Soria. If the Tiger do win it will be in spite of Ausmus.
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Who cares about Cruz...how about spend all that money on every bullpen free agent until they find a group that works.
ClownCausedChaos2
Footballguy
Well, since you put it that way...Yeah Orioles bullpen threw 74 pitches, Tigers 35.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
While Justin Verlander is 7-5 with 3.28 ERA in 15 career postseason outings, he's 4-0 with a 1.79 mark over seven outings in the ALDS. The 2011 AL MVP and Cy Young winner also owns a 30-inning scoreless streak in the division series.
Verlander (15-12, 4.54 ERA) looks to carry over a solid finish to an otherwise down regular season. He went 3-0 with 2.89 ERA over his previous four starts - all Detroit victories - and won five of his last six decisions.
The right-hander has been outstanding at Camden Yards, going 7-0 with a 2.84 ERA in eight career starts.
Verlander (15-12, 4.54 ERA) looks to carry over a solid finish to an otherwise down regular season. He went 3-0 with 2.89 ERA over his previous four starts - all Detroit victories - and won five of his last six decisions.
The right-hander has been outstanding at Camden Yards, going 7-0 with a 2.84 ERA in eight career starts.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Joba faced two batters. Soria and Coke were never in line to be the bridge to Sloppy Joe. In reality there's not much between 4-3 and 12-3. The only way Detroit takes the series is by being carried by the big three SP. Still true.
Kinsler had some great ABs last night, while Cabrerra, VMart and JD continued what they have done all year. Timely contributions from elsewhere were lacking yesterday.
Turn the page.
Kinsler had some great ABs last night, while Cabrerra, VMart and JD continued what they have done all year. Timely contributions from elsewhere were lacking yesterday.
Turn the page.
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
clown caused chaos #2??Yeah Orioles bullpen threw 74 pitches, Tigers 35.
The_Man
Footballguy
Rarely does a game's outcome line up so perfectly with the pre-game analysis - Orioles power bats helped them to some early runs, they hung on long enough to let their dominating bullpen shut things down, and the Tigers fell apart once Baltimore finally got past Detroit's great starting pitcher to feast on the bullpen.
I heard Buck's post-game presser on the radio this morning. Turns out he had planned all along for some of the bullpen guys to go more than one inning, and he has been prepping them for that eventuality for the past couple of weeks. He said that players need to accept the reality that playoff series baseball is different from the regular season, and make the necessary adaptations. Was pretty interesting - I feel that where managers falter in the playoffs is when they ask players to do things they're unaccustomed to doing, but Buck made it clear that is his plan and that the players are aware of it.
I think Miller will be the only guy unavailable today. If Chen falters early, it will probably be Ubaldo time. If he does OK, maybe Gausman comes in as the bridge to the back end. If it comes to it, I wonder if he would try to get a full 2 innings out of Britton today.
I heard Buck's post-game presser on the radio this morning. Turns out he had planned all along for some of the bullpen guys to go more than one inning, and he has been prepping them for that eventuality for the past couple of weeks. He said that players need to accept the reality that playoff series baseball is different from the regular season, and make the necessary adaptations. Was pretty interesting - I feel that where managers falter in the playoffs is when they ask players to do things they're unaccustomed to doing, but Buck made it clear that is his plan and that the players are aware of it.
I think Miller will be the only guy unavailable today. If Chen falters early, it will probably be Ubaldo time. If he does OK, maybe Gausman comes in as the bridge to the back end. If it comes to it, I wonder if he would try to get a full 2 innings out of Britton today.
tri-man 47
Footballguy
That's a good point. Now we'll see if Detroit's starting pitching depth gets them going.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
I feel like I'm reading Latin here. You guys actually think about different ways to use the entire staff. Tiger fans don't like to think about that.
Our plan on a daily basis is to get 7+ out of the starter, hope Joba doesn't suck that day, and hand the ball to Sloppy Joe with the bases empty. Plan B? If you see Lobstein or Albuquerque start warming up today, know that pitchers and catchers report in 131 days.
If we're going to have a chance in this series, we probably need 15 innings of solid work from Price and JV.
I feel like we have to save Anibal for long relief in Game 4. Curiously, Ausmus envisions using him for no more than 1 inning *(possibly 2 if something happens to a starter early or they end up in extra innings).
The_Man
Footballguy
In retrospect, Buck's use of the bullpen was the key to the game last night -- going with Miller to get through the meat of the Tigers' order even though it was only the 6th inning. And then he got lucky with the 8th inning explosion to keep Britton viable for today. He said that he still planned to send Britton out for the 9th until it got to be 40 minutes between the middle of the 8th and top of the 9th. I'm glad it turned out that way.
Still think Chen struggles today. The O's would be thrilled to get through 5 with him and still be in the game. If that's the case, I think we see Gausman - have him throw 98 for two innings and try to get to whoever is the bridge to Britton. If Chen gets beat up early, I would guess he brings Ubaldo in as the long man.
O's lineup today is the same as yesterday, except with Caleb Joseph in at catcher for Hundley, who is Tillman's personal catcher. This is definitely their best line-up.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
ClownCausedChaos2
Footballguy
Yessum?clown caused chaos #2??Yeah Orioles bullpen threw 74 pitches, Tigers 35.
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
What do you guys think about monitoring pitch counts in the postseason for starters? Less important or more than the regular season?
The announcers last night kept mentioning how high Tillman's was getting while Kinsler fouled off his 78th consecutive pitch.
I waffle on it.
On the "less important" side, it's not like you're trying to nurse the pitcher through another 3 months.
On the "more important" side, your bullpen (in theory) is stronger because some of your regular season starters are there (at least, in the Os case - Ubaldo & especially Gausman are better than whoever else would be there in their places). Get him out before his arm gets tired and he's rocked.
The announcers last night kept mentioning how high Tillman's was getting while Kinsler fouled off his 78th consecutive pitch.
I waffle on it.
On the "less important" side, it's not like you're trying to nurse the pitcher through another 3 months.
On the "more important" side, your bullpen (in theory) is stronger because some of your regular season starters are there (at least, in the Os case - Ubaldo & especially Gausman are better than whoever else would be there in their places). Get him out before his arm gets tired and he's rocked.
The_Man
Footballguy
50 minutes until game time and still no Detroit lineup? Getting back to my earlier point that managers seem to screw up in the playoffs when they start doing stuff in the moment that they haven't done in the previous 6 months, I wonder what Ausmus is doing.
Maybe he's just waiting on the health of Rajai Davis, and it's probably no big deal in the grand scheme of things, but I bet it's the first time all year there wasn't a lineup posted within an hour of game time.
Maybe he's just waiting on the health of Rajai Davis, and it's probably no big deal in the grand scheme of things, but I bet it's the first time all year there wasn't a lineup posted within an hour of game time.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Just released, and yes, that was the reason.
Davis in CF and batting 9th, no changes from Game 1.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
1st tweet I read was wrong, looks like they swapped Nick & Al
DETROIT TIGERS
Ian Kinsler, 2B
Torii Hunter, RF
Miguel Cabrera, 1B
Victor Martinez, DH
J.D. Martinez, LF
Nick Castellanos, 3B
Alex Avila, C
Andrew Romine, SS
Rajai Davis, CF
DETROIT TIGERS
Ian Kinsler, 2B
Torii Hunter, RF
Miguel Cabrera, 1B
Victor Martinez, DH
J.D. Martinez, LF
Nick Castellanos, 3B
Alex Avila, C
Andrew Romine, SS
Rajai Davis, CF
The_Man
Footballguy
Tiger fans, what are your thoughts on Davis? He looked so hurt last night as to be a liability - when Nelson Cruz goes first to third on you like that, it's not a good sign.
The ball always finds you, especially in the playoffs. So I'll predict that a key play in today's game will be an Adam Jones shot up the alley - a key run will score unless Davis can get to it, he's going after the ball and ...
The ball always finds you, especially in the playoffs. So I'll predict that a key play in today's game will be an Adam Jones shot up the alley - a key run will score unless Davis can get to it, he's going after the ball and ...
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Our two best defensive OF were Dirks - missed the entire season after back surgery - and Jackson, who was traded minutes before the deadline in the Price deal. Davis is the 2nd fastest OF and somewhat less of a liability than Ezekuiel Carrera. The corner OF are rated among the worst in all of MLB. Hunter is not what he once was, though JD Martinez seems adequate.
Other than Avila and Kinsler, who are both outstanding, the team is very weak defensively overall.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Hunter was in a position to change the course of the game and had some horrible ABs. How many times is he going to swing at a ball than bounces 2 feet in front of the plate. Then you dam well the next one is going to be eye level that he will miss by a foot.
The_Man
Footballguy
Tillman was running on fumes after Kinsler's 15-pitch at bat (or however many it was) and Hunter followed it up with a first pitch bunt attempt that got Tillman out of the inning. I was baffled that he didn't take a pitch or two and try to work Tillman a little more.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
#### you Torii!
