msudaisy26
Footballguy
True and it seems to be the way of the NFL now, but I could see them giving Abdullah the higher end of that platoon and seeing if he can handle it.
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mcintyre1
Footballguy
Frankly, I think he's pretty maxed out already, there's just not much room left on his frame to add more bulk without sacrificing speed. Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if his 4.6 showing at the combine was largely related to the 5 lbs he put on after his season ended (he played at 200lbs). I expected him to run low-mid 4.5s based on his tape.
When's the last time a small back like him successfully carried the full load of a team?
McCoy?
Charles?
I like the guy but I'm not going to pound him between the tackles. I'm not going to run him in the goalline. I see a 60 - 40 split with Bell.
I really like Abdullah but history is not on his side. He's going to get his bell rung in the NFL if he sees 200+ carries.
McCoy?
Charles?
I like the guy but I'm not going to pound him between the tackles. I'm not going to run him in the goalline. I see a 60 - 40 split with Bell.
I really like Abdullah but history is not on his side. He's going to get his bell rung in the NFL if he sees 200+ carries.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
What makes you believe he would be like those guys?
Does he have concussion issues?
Does he have a neck issue?
I forgot Slaton's issue?
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Ameer reportedly improved his 40 time at his pro day. Link
If you compare the official 10 yard time at the combine with his 10 yard time at his pro day you see an improvement of .12 seconds. I have read things suggesting that a players can improve their first step a lot through technique and you see some improvement with Ameer here as an example. Ameer does not strike me as a track player like many of the players at the combine are, so he may not have had as refined technique as some of the other players.
Considering how good Ameers other measurables were such as his vertical and broad jump, it makes sense that he is faster than 4.6 his numbers were actually pretty close to Jerrick McKinnon from 2014.
I think Ameer is the player the Vikings hope McKinnon develops into.
Draftscout has him as running a 4.55 at his pro day. Also shows that he had 4.4 and 4.5 runs at the combine.4.61 was his high at the combine.
If you compare the official 10 yard time at the combine with his 10 yard time at his pro day you see an improvement of .12 seconds. I have read things suggesting that a players can improve their first step a lot through technique and you see some improvement with Ameer here as an example. Ameer does not strike me as a track player like many of the players at the combine are, so he may not have had as refined technique as some of the other players.
Considering how good Ameers other measurables were such as his vertical and broad jump, it makes sense that he is faster than 4.6 his numbers were actually pretty close to Jerrick McKinnon from 2014.
I think Ameer is the player the Vikings hope McKinnon develops into.
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His size, physique, and the way that he runs puts him in that category. I have no doubt that this guy is willing to lower his shoulder to break a tackle but he really shouldn't be. I think his upside is a rich man's Pierre Thomas.Bump in PPR leagues as the Lions will be smart to give him the ball in space.
Lower in Touchdown heavy leagues where 229 lb Bell will see much of the RZ work.
He's kind of like a Felix Jones where you want to keep him fresh so he can rip off big plays. One hamstring or ankle injury and he doesn't have the physical size to continue to produce. I really like his talent as a runner though and the Lions are a great fit.
Slaton ended up having to get a few vertebrae fused together after taking a big hit, iirc.
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beef
Footballguy
Abdullah has 1st round talent for sure. One other thing that really stands out to me is all the reports I've read about his character, on and off the field. One scout had him graded higher than any other player, ever. His work ethic is also something coaches and players have raved about. He is the total package at rb minus a few inches and pounds.
steveski
Footballguy
Debated about him or Yeldon at the 1.08. I know Yeldon has the prototypical size for a 3 down back, but I couldn't deny that I likes Abdullahs tape so much better. I thought, who would I feel more comfortable missing on? I would be pissed if Abdullah became the stud he showed he can be and I passed on him for a guy that I don't like as much just because of his size.
Not sure what Eminence is talking about above. Best had concussion issues. As far as I know, people's heads are all about the same size and have the same cushion no matter how big or strong they are. Also, with David Wilson, his neck issue is more of a degenerative thing and not a "took a beating" thing. I would know because I have the same issue and I sit at a computer all day.
Not sure what Eminence is talking about above. Best had concussion issues. As far as I know, people's heads are all about the same size and have the same cushion no matter how big or strong they are. Also, with David Wilson, his neck issue is more of a degenerative thing and not a "took a beating" thing. I would know because I have the same issue and I sit at a computer all day.
FUBAR
Footballguy
I just took him as the 1.06, ahead of parker and agholor. that league starts 2-3 rb and 3-4 wr, so the value of rb is higher than in my other leagues.
LBH
Footballguy
He went 1.08 in two of my leagues. Gurley,Cooper,White,Gordon,Yeldon,DGB,Agholor all went before him
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Is he really that close to Yeldon? I am holding the 10 spot in a super flex and I think he will be there.
mikmak8902
Footballguy
Same team. Jahvid Best. Just got unlucky with concussions. And concussions have nothing to do with the player's size. Just ask Junior.
mcintyre1
Footballguy
Also, Abdullah's only notable injury that I can remember was his MCL sprain that knocked him out of the Purdue game this year (and which he played through thereafter, despite clearly not being 100%). He's never, to my knowledge, suffered a concussion in over 800 college carries.
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
Do we really think he's going to become a 300 carry guy though? His value is in receiving snapping off long ones, no?
mcintyre1
Footballguy
I think he has the talent to be one, but I don't think he will be, no. I think he'll earn the lion's share (heh) of carries before the end of the year, though, and maintain himself as a high use committee back at worst. Those discounting him as a third down / passing only guy are going to regret it.
FunkyPlutos
Footballguy
Keep your eye on Zach Zenner in that backfield...
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
No, but should that really be the benchmark?
Sabertooth
Footballguy
For a workhorse I'd say yes. Very few true workhorses.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
300 rushing attempts is too high of an expectation, for any RB in today's NFL. Very few get that kind of workload and even fewer get that workload for more than one season.
2011 7 RB had 300 or more rushing attempts
Michael Turner
Steven Jackson
Arian Foster
Rashard Mendenhall
Cedric Benson
Chris Johnson
Ray Rice
2011 2 RB had 300 or more rushing attempts
Maurice Jones-Drew
Michael Turner
2012 5 RB had 300 or more rushing attempts
Arian Foster
Adrian Peterson
Alfred Morris
Doug Martin*
Marshawn Lynch
2013 2 RB had 300 or more rushing attempts
LeSean McCoy
Marshawn Lynch
2014 2 RB had 300 or more rushing attempts
LeSean McCoy
DeMarco Murray
2011 7 RB had 300 or more rushing attempts
Michael Turner
Steven Jackson
Arian Foster
Rashard Mendenhall
Cedric Benson
Chris Johnson
Ray Rice
2011 2 RB had 300 or more rushing attempts
Maurice Jones-Drew
Michael Turner
2012 5 RB had 300 or more rushing attempts
Arian Foster
Adrian Peterson
Alfred Morris
Doug Martin*
Marshawn Lynch
2013 2 RB had 300 or more rushing attempts
LeSean McCoy
Marshawn Lynch
2014 2 RB had 300 or more rushing attempts
LeSean McCoy
DeMarco Murray
tone1oc
Footballguy
Sabertooth
Footballguy
So what your expectation of his usage?
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Is Abdullah pretty much the locked in #4 back behind Gurley, Gordon, and Yeldon?
I have 4 Lions fans in my league so I'm thinking if he's there at 10 I want him.
Does he have more value than Crowell?
I have 4 Lions fans in my league so I'm thinking if he's there at 10 I want him.
Does he have more value than Crowell?
MAC_32
Footballguy
Personally, I don't have a strong conviction on Yeldon vs. Abdullah vs. Coleman. If I can control it I'd just try to position myself to pick the one that falls.
Zyphros
Footballguy
I think it's clearly that top 4 yeah.
As for the Crowelll question if we're putting a pick value of lets say 1.10 on Abdullah, I have my doubts that a Crowell owner would accept 1.10 for him.
mcintyre1
Footballguy
I have him squarely #2 behind Gurley, but I know I'm a definite outlier. I've never personally gotten the Crowell love, I don't think he's special in any way and his value is mostly due to opportunity (and the team just drafted another RB to add to that already crowded backfield). I actually wrote this about them both as high school players in 2011:
For reference, here was the actual Rivals top 10 for that year:
Abdullah was a 3* Athlete ranked 17th at the position nationally and far outside of the Rivals Top 250.
So, IMO, yes he does have more value than Crowell.
EBF
Footballguy
I only ended up getting him in one draft. Most of my picks this year were either really early (1-4) or really late (10-12). 1-4 is too high for Ameer, but in my leagues he wasn't falling to the end of the first. I did have one pick in the middle of the first this year (1.06) and I took him in that league ahead of Parker/Yeldon/DGB/Perriman. I see him as somewhere between Gio Bernard and LeSean McCoy. Given the chance at a high workload this year, I think he's a prime candidate to increase in value significantly during his rookie season. There are almost always 1-2 RBs who do.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Waldman seems really high on him on the podcast.
Was thinking the same thing. I have the utmost respect for Waldman's analysis of RB's and his effusive praise for Abdullah caught my attention. I was already a fan of his talent and landing spot, so his comments pushed me over the edge. I fully expect his value to go up as we get closer to August.
cloppbeast
Footballguy
No.
OC comes from NO, the most faithful adherent to committee RB. I think we're looking at 200 carries, generously. Abdullah will have much more value in PPR leagues as he will play the Sproles/Bush role.
mcintyre1
Footballguy
Part of the reason I've been so confident in my own opinion of Abdullah is how much Waldman agreed with it. Big fan of the RSP. Were you listening to the DLF podcast?
A few videos / plays for a lazy Saturday morning:
Some might remember Nebraska sneaking out a win at home vs Northwestern on a Hail Mary to end the game. However, that play never happens unless Ameer converts a 4th & 15 on a poorly thrown ball against 3 defenders.
One of my favorite plays of his from last season is still this ~9 yard run up the middle against Miami. Abdullah gets small and slips through a tight gap between C/RG and only gets a couple of yards before he's met by #6 Jamal Carter (6'2, 210lb 4* soph. safety) and #52 Denzel Perryman (2015 NFL 2nd round pick). Ameer stops on a dime, absorbs them with his arm/thigh and pops back with a jump cut to the outside before stiff arming his way to a few extra yards. Later in the game, he'd worn Miami's defense out enough to do this.
Then there's this gem of balance from his sophomore year (though he stopped running like that to some degree, too many fumbles contorting like that).
I'll end with a short interview detailing where he's from and his motivation to become a RB.
Bonus interview after the team nearly lost to McNeese State. Good example of why you saw those reports about high character grades.
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Ketamine Dreams
Footballguy
We haven't drafted our rookies, but I'm pretty sure he will go #4. I could even see him going at #3 over Cooper, but this is a league that hordes RBs.
beef
Footballguy
waldman also has david cobb 14th overall and mike davis 17th overall. yeldon 7th. he's pretty high on a lot of rbs from this class.
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
Not Tevin Coleman.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
I got him at 1.08 (Reach and over Agholor) in one league while I was very lucky to get him @1.12 in another
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beef
Footballguy
Good catch. No he is not.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
mcintyre1
Footballguy
amnesiac
beer is good
i'm warming up to him, but Cooper is my #1 at this point.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I just bumped him ahead of Parker. Abdullah, Parker, Yeldon right now. I'd be happy to get one of them. I hold the 1.10 and we pick tonight. I've been debating Perriman and Agholor, but to be honest I'd wouldn't be shocked if somebody I had ranked in my top 9 slides to me.
