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[Good Posting Judge]

Are you 12?

It's a joke, but yes?

 

[ProstheticRGK]

Ya, me neither. I don't get why people think she lied. Nora said she doesn't lie and she was emphatic about that. She always seemed to be a straight shooter. I think folks are reading too much into it.

I don't think she was lying, either. But reading the interview with lindelhof posted upthread, they left that purposefully ambiguous. There's a case to be made either way. And, for clarifications sake, Nora said she doesn't lie, but she got called out by the nun for lying about her whole identity and knowing Kevin. More like she can't stand being lied to, or letting people lie to themselves. But, she definitely lies. Even the curmudgeonly scientist called her out for lying during her farewell speech before getting in the omega machine.

 

[shuke]

Other minor beef, so Lori didn't kill herself and just moved back home? Seems like that episode that was Lori-centric might have been pointless?

From the Lindelof interview:

To be completely and totally transparent, when we wrote the episode — when Patrick [Somerville] and Carly [Wray] wrote episode six — Laurie was dead. The decision was, she is committing suicide, and when Amy Brenneman reached out and was like, Is she killing herself down there? My response to her was, I have to leave space for the possibility that she doesn’t but I’m 90 percent sure that she does.

I will tell you, Sonia, that that feeling when we made that decision — that didn’t feel good. It’s okay that it didn’t feel good, because — and it feels like a little precious because they’re fictional characters — but if the audience is having an emotional reaction to fictional characters dying, and particularly ones in tragic circumstances like suicide, the writers do too, because it was really upsetting. But then once we moved through the phase of upset that Laurie was gone, there was something that just didn’t feel right about it.

Then we got the dailies. Carl Franklin directed the episode of Brenneman going out on that ship kind of looking heroic and courageous and amazing. And then she did her side of the phone call when Tom and Jill called. And we kind of were like — if Laurie’s intention is to kill herself via scuba diving and make it look like an accident, why doesn’t she tell her kids that she’s in Australia about to go scuba diving? They’re going to hear that she died in a scuba diving accident minutes after they called her on the phone. Then it’s going to completely and totally undo the “elegance” — I’m putting quotation marks around “elegance” — of Nora’s pitch.

Then we just watched Amy’s performance. And it started to feel like when she went into the water, she didn’t know whether she was going to kill herself yet or not. Once she was in the water, it was a baptism of sorts. Laurie Garvey is just too courageous, and not selfish enough, to do it. Then once we actually started contemplating, what if she came up? What if she came up out of the water? then that feeling that we were all feeling, of something being not right, completely and totally lifted. And was replaced by a new feeling, which was — are people going to feel manipulated? Are they going to feel it’s a cop out? Are they going to have that feeling like but we should the car basically drive over the cliff with their hero in it, but at the beginning of the next episode, you see him jump out of the car, and you’re like oh, come on!

So we had all those conversations. But they were happening simultaneous to the idea that Nora needed to have a tether to the outside world for two reason — this is future Nora. Reason number one is when Kevin comes and does his shtick — when he knocks on the door and he’s like, you and I were never together. We met that one time in the hallway and I wished that I had asked you out — she needs to communicate to someone that that story makes no sense to her, or the audience is going to think all the things that you were thinking. And that was by design. Like, are we in some sort of alternate reality? Is it a dream space? We also wanted the audience to be going on the same journey as Nora, which is: She’s confused. She’s confused by Kevin’s behavior.

More importantly, then we got the other dailies in from episode six — where Nora gives the beach ball speech and then she hires Laurie to be her therapist. Brenneman just says “Same time next week.” I was like, Laurie has to be in future Nora’s strength. That just feels right. These two characters have basically formed this kind of bond. And as painful as it may be for Kevin, Laurie has not broken the confidentiality. She’s been helping Nora along this certain path, whatever that may be.

 

[phandango]

Ya, me neither. I don't get why people think she lied. Nora said she doesn't lie and she was emphatic about that. She always seemed to be a straight shooter. I think folks are reading too much into it.

What? She lied all the time. She told the nun her name was Sarah and that she didn't know anyone named Kevin. Earlier this season she broke her own arm by slamming it in her car door and saying it was an accident, and when the nurse called her out on it, she lied to the nurse. People say one thing and do another. Even the nun insisted the man who used a ladder to climb down from the nun's bedroom window at night wasn't someone she just banged, despite Nora having just witnessed his departure.

 

[Daywalker]

The Laurie ending was just botched.  She wasn't needed in the last episode.  If anything her presence muddled things.  Nora was ignorant of anything that had happened to Kevin since she left.  A bit of a stretch considering she and Laurie had this "bond" and kept in communication.  Nora knows nothing of Lauries' kids?

The suicide ending was elegant.  

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Ya, me neither. I don't get why people think she lied. Nora said she doesn't lie and she was emphatic about that. She always seemed to be a straight shooter. I think folks are reading too much into it.

Except that she does lie. So her saying that was, in fact, a lie. 

 

[modogg]

I read 2 other interviews with Lindeloff, and it is obvious that the whole "does Nora lie or not?" argument is the same as a lot of the other story. the answer is both. and the answer is not conclusive because it was used for certain points of the story to explain and provide reason. but as for a plot or any purpose, you will spin your head, and in my opinion not in a good way.

 

[fatness]

50 posts and not one about Full Frontal Nora?  You're slipping FFA.

I read this and, not having seen season 3, did some "research" online. Her right butt cheek hangs lower than her left one.

 

[ProstheticRGK]

I read this and, not having seen season 3, did some "research" online. Her right butt cheek hangs lower than her left one.

That was purposeful, and done with a prosthetic. The director wanted to show that she was extremely left brain Dominant, which means her right side would have slightly less muscle tone. Hence, the slightly hanging buttock. Her right forearm was slightly thicker in circumference, too. Good eye.

her bewbs were pretty, pretty, pretty, pret-ty good, though.

 

[kupcho1]

I thought the finale was excellent but DL was trolling when he inserted his claim that it was G.O.A.T.

 

[ICON211]

I can't she how Nora actually went through with it and went to where the people that disappeared went.  I base this on the comment from the nun about a nice story or whatever she said and if everyone there was unhappy except her family why wouldn't they use the machine to return other people?

 

[tonydead]

Ok ending. No idea why Nora wouldn't stalk out Kevin's house when she got back like she did her kids in the other place.  Why Kevin was making up a story of not remembering their relationship is a mystery to me too.  

 

[tonydead]

Now that is how you end a show.  I would put this above Sopranos just based on the ending.  There were no goofy side plots, great acting through and through and they tied everything up without forcing it.

My only question:  In the second to last episode how did Kevin stop the rain?  Or was the flood just a storyline that wasnt real?  Did the nukes in the other universe have anything to do with it?

Overall a fantastic series, 3 seasons should be the staple now of shows.  Please stop running good shows into the ground.  Get in, tell your story, finish it without getting lazy.  (looking at you Bloodline)

Whoa, it wasn't that good. And Sopranos might be the most controversial of all time on whether the ending was "good" or not. Agree with Bloodline tho.  

 

[kupcho1]

Whoa, it wasn't that good. And Sopranos might be the most controversial of all time on whether the ending was "good" or not. Agree with Bloodline tho.  

There's no controversy on whether or not the Soprano's ending was good.  It wasn't.

 

[roadkill1292]

I read this and, not having seen season 3, did some "research" online. Her right butt cheek hangs lower than her left one.

IN

 

[fatness]

I read this and, not having seen season 3, did some "research" online. Her right butt cheek hangs lower than her left one.

That was purposeful, and done with a prosthetic. The director wanted to show that she was extremely left brain Dominant, which means her right side would have slightly less muscle tone. Hence, the slightly hanging buttock. Her right forearm was slightly thicker in circumference, too. Good eye.

I've thought about this for 6 days and am pretty sure you're kidding.

 

[RUSF18]

Why Kevin was making up a story of not remembering their relationship is a mystery to me too.  

Did you catch the part where he explained why?

 

[MikeMan]

I'm a little late as finally watched the finale yesterday. Was hopping to get into this thread.

I have to go with Nora lied or else I hate the ending. I agree with people having a problem with machines that can go both ways and not being used. The guy would've built it already. People would be getting reunited! Also, I think if she travelled all that way to see the kids, she would at least say hello and ensure they are good. One smile and she's out?

The only problem I have with 'she lied' is that she was so determined to do it that I don't like her changing her mind.  Machine malfunction would be a cop-out. She'd stick with them until they got it running again. I don't like her avoiding Kevin for years but made for a cool finale.

Either way, Laurie's fetus is hosed!

 

[munga30]

I watched entire first season and liked it.  Wasnt sure they would be able to keep it going, though.  So I havent been back.  

Worth it?

 

[MikeMan]

I've liked it much better Season 2 and 3 once they move towns and lose focus on the Guilty Remnants.

 

[El Floppo]

I've liked it much better Season 2 and 3 once they move towns and lose focus on the Guilty Remnants.

Ditto. 

 

[FF Ninja]

I think the most obvious case for "Nora was lying" is one that I think Sepinwall mentioned, although I don't remember for sure.  If the physicist built a machine to allow people to travel from one realm to the other and had the know-how to send people back to the original realm (as he did with Nora), why would he wait until Nora asked him to do it?  Who wouldn't reunite stranded children with grieving parents if they had the ability to do so?

That could have just been sloppy writing, but that seems unlikely, especially since they could have papered it over with another couple sentences of exposition (something about how he was came to realize that the two realities were a part of a larger grand design and he only agreed to send Nora back because unlike the Departed people she'd come over voluntarily or whatever). So that leaves me concluding that the writers intended the story to be Nora's, not theirs.

Yeah, her story leads to a lot of questions. If I was Kevin, I'd have been busting some balls with a ton of questions...

Overall a fantastic series, 3 seasons should be the staple now of shows.  Please stop running good shows into the ground.  Get in, tell your story, finish it without getting lazy.  (looking at you Bloodline)

I'm pretty sure they were told they only had one more season until it was cancelled. I think I remember reading that although Season 2 got a lot of critical acclaim, the ratings diminished.

if that's all you're after- it's not answered.

the rest of us are obviously pretty gang-buster* about the show though... but not because it needed that particular answer.

I was totally ok with no answer to that, but man, I wanted to at least know SOMETHING about all the stuff going on with Kevin and we got absolutely nothing. Nothing about the people nobody else could see (ditto for his dad), nothing about the dogs, nothing about him surviving drowning, poison, and being shot point blank.

As a non-believer, this was a series I always thought could lose me in the end, but I enjoyed the ride. I compare it to Battlestar Galactica in this regard. As happened with Battlestar Galactica, I pretty much expected that the ending of The Leftovers would take away from what I thought of the series overall. But that wasn't the case. The ending enhanced my view of the series, which was really an allegory for the loss we all experience with people disappearing from our lives, and how we deal with this loss or the inevitability that it's coming. Six Feet Under is a good comparison.

I wasn't able to finish BSG (just seemed so dumb/illogical at points, and I say this as someone who will watch just about any space based sci-fi) and recently the creator admitted the Cylons never had a plan.

Anyway, I was mainly replying to say that the ending didn't ruin the series for me (Lost) but it was not very satisfying. 

I read 2 other interviews with Lindeloff, and it is obvious that the whole "does Nora lie or not?" argument is the same as a lot of the other story. the answer is both. and the answer is not conclusive because it was used for certain points of the story to explain and provide reason. but as for a plot or any purpose, you will spin your head, and in my opinion not in a good way.

This. Not only did they not satiate my strongest curiosities about the show, but the one and only thing they tied up was left totally ambiguous. I wanted to believe she was telling the truth, but so many signs pointing otherwise...

I'm a little late as finally watched the finale yesterday. Was hopping to get into this thread.

I have to go with Nora lied or else I hate the ending. I agree with people having a problem with machines that can go both ways and not being used. The guy would've built it already. People would be getting reunited! Also, I think if she travelled all that way to see the kids, she would at least say hello and ensure they are good. One smile and she's out?

The only problem I have with 'she lied' is that she was so determined to do it that I don't like her changing her mind.  Machine malfunction would be a cop-out. She'd stick with them until they got it running again. I don't like her avoiding Kevin for years but made for a cool finale.

Either way, Laurie's fetus is hosed!

I'm even later... 

I would actually like it more if she was telling the truth (although your bolded would bug the **** out of me), but I'm not going to feel content either way. As I mentioned above, I'd really like to have known wtf all his resurrections were about and some of the other strange things like seeing a dead Patti and why he was killing dogs.

 

[modogg]

Yeah, her story leads to a lot of questions. If I was Kevin, I'd have been busting some balls with a ton of questions...

I'm pretty sure they were told they only had one more season until it was cancelled. I think I remember reading that although Season 2 got a lot of critical acclaim, the ratings diminished.

I was totally ok with no answer to that, but man, I wanted to at least know SOMETHING about all the stuff going on with Kevin and we got absolutely nothing. Nothing about the people nobody else could see (ditto for his dad), nothing about the dogs, nothing about him surviving drowning, poison, and being shot point blank.

I wasn't able to finish BSG (just seemed so dumb/illogical at points, and I say this as someone who will watch just about any space based sci-fi) and recently the creator admitted the Cylons never had a plan.

Anyway, I was mainly replying to say that the ending didn't ruin the series for me (Lost) but it was not very satisfying. 

This. Not only did they not satiate my strongest curiosities about the show, but the one and only thing they tied up was left totally ambiguous. I wanted to believe she was telling the truth, but so many signs pointing otherwise...

I'm even later... 

I would actually like it more if she was telling the truth (although your bolded would bug the **** out of me), but I'm not going to feel content either way. As I mentioned above, I'd really like to have known wtf all his resurrections were about and some of the other strange things like seeing a dead Patti and why he was killing dogs.

i've gone back and watched most of the last season since there seemed to be people who were absolutely in love with it and i was trying to see what i was missing. I actually came away more bothered with the whole show. i'm cool with the idea of telling a tale to describe an emotion, and not necesarily have a purpose or plot. But the problem with Leftovers is they teased a lot of this idea or added it to the show to keep people into it, without any intention of describing it. I can add about 8-10 more off the top of my head that are like your dogs question. And that was carried over 4-5 episodes i believe. 

I get that in the end it didn't matter, but then why have it in anyway? 

 

[FF Ninja]

i've gone back and watched most of the last season since there seemed to be people who were absolutely in love with it and i was trying to see what i was missing. I actually came away more bothered with the whole show. i'm cool with the idea of telling a tale to describe an emotion, and not necesarily have a purpose or plot. But the problem with Leftovers is they teased a lot of this idea or added it to the show to keep people into it, without any intention of describing it. I can add about 8-10 more off the top of my head that are like your dogs question. And that was carried over 4-5 episodes i believe. 

I get that in the end it didn't matter, but then why have it in anyway? 

Now you got me curious what other rabbit holes they tricked us down! I guess I've forgotten a few. I really enjoyed smoking a few bowls while watching this show and preferred to binge it (rather than go week-to-week, ruminating over each episode) so I'm pretty rusty on what went down in seasons 1 and 2.

I'm not a big Chekhov's Gun guy - I don't actually like when every little detail is pertinent to the plot because it keeps you guessing when there is a nice split between little details that end up not mattering and little details that do, but I felt like these were not only really interesting pieces of the story, but actually part of the backbone of the plot. It feels like they built a really large, intriguing, mysterious world and just couldn't figure out how to tie it all together so they took a sharp 90 at the end and parked it in a little niche of the story. It was nice to see Kevin and Nora, some tortured souls, find peace... but it felt like there was so much unfinished business. But I guess that's a vast improvement over how Lindelof handled Lost 

 

[roadkill1292]

The alternative universe comprised of the "missing" two percent would be an interesting post-apocalyptic one. How much of industrial civilization can you keep up and running with two percent of the manpower?

 

[El Floppo]

The alternative universe comprised of the "missing" two percent would be an interesting post-apocalyptic one. How much of industrial civilization can you keep up and running with two percent of the manpower?

porn might get a little familiar.

 

[Capella]

Got totally screwed at the emmy's. Damn. 

 

[El Floppo]

Got totally screwed at the emmy's. Damn. 

I stopped looking.... were they completely shut out? Wtf. But the goofily bad Night Of nominated for a ton? 

 

[kupcho1]

I stopped looking.... were they completely shut out? Wtf. But the goofily bad Night Of nominated for a ton? 

Ann Dowd guest star (Patti Levin)

 

[Capella]

I stopped looking.... were they completely shut out? Wtf. But the goofily bad Night Of nominated for a ton? 

Basically although night of was in another category. Can't believe Coon and Theroux were left out. 

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Basically although night of was in another category. Can't believe Coon and Theroux were left out. 

Especially Carrie Coon. Not even nominated? That's criminal. 

 

[Good Posting Judge]

I try not to care about the Emmys, but Westworld got about 20 too many.

 

[Capella]

I try not to care about the Emmys, but Westworld got about 20 too many.

Yes. I enjoyed it but it was far inferior to this show. 

 

[Zow]

There's no controversy on whether or not the Soprano's ending was good.  It wasn't.

I thought it was great. He was killed. Life stops. Black. 

I consider it the best ending to a series not named breaking bad of all time. 

 

[Zow]

Finally watched the ending. I was satisfied. I also thought she was lying. 

 

[kupcho1]

I thought it was great.  

Thank you for the Zow reverse-confirmation(tm)

 

[fatness]

Based only on reading this topic I've watched this show --- seasons 1 and 2, and the first 4 episodes of season 3 so far.  It's the best show I've seen on television. I'm so critical of what I see on TV that I don't watch much TV. But there are too many diverse people in this topic who were impressed by this show for me to ignore it.

When I sit down to watch an episode I expect to get hit in the head with a shovel. Some of the episodes feel exactly like that --- they're that strong. The first episode when Patty began appearing to Kevin after she died woke me up repeatedly the night after watching. I could not remove it from my mind; I couldn't, that night, turn off the "it's just a show" good sense I'm used to.

Carrie Coon's acting/character  is tremendous, and Theroux's acting/character is even better (probably an unpopular opinion). And the guy who plays Matt Jamison is awfully good too, even though he plays a character that (to me) is entirely unsympathetic. 

Highlight moment of the show, so far, is Kevin Garvey singing Homeward Bound.

4 episodes to go. This show is ####### great.

 

[(HULK)]

Yeah, this show was fantastic.

 

[El Floppo]

Based only on reading this topic I've watched this show --- seasons 1 and 2, and the first 4 episodes of season 3 so far.  It's the best show I've seen on television. I'm so critical of what I see on TV that I don't watch much TV. But there are too many diverse people in this topic who were impressed by this show for me to ignore it.

When I sit down to watch an episode I expect to get hit in the head with a shovel. Some of the episodes feel exactly like that --- they're that strong. The first episode when Patty began appearing to Kevin after she died woke me up repeatedly the night after watching. I could not remove it from my mind; I couldn't, that night, turn off the "it's just a show" good sense I'm used to.

Carrie Coon's acting/character  is tremendous, and Theroux's acting/character is even better (probably an unpopular opinion). And the guy who plays Matt Jamison is awfully good too, even though he plays a character that (to me) is entirely unsympathetic. 

Highlight moment of the show, so far, is Kevin Garvey singing Homeward Bound.

4 episodes to go. This show is ####### great.

loved it. 

and Coon was astonishing in that role. 

I liked Moss's performance in handmaids tale, but coons not even getting a nomination? completely nuts.

 

[roadkill1292]

BTW, Emily Meade, who played Jill Garvey's naughty little friend, Aimee (complete with stripper spelling!), is now doing a turn on HBO's The Deuce on Sunday nights. And looking pretty fantastic in it.

 

[fatness]

BTW, Emily Meade, who played Jill Garvey's naughty little friend, Aimee (complete with stripper spelling!), is now doing a turn on HBO's The Deuce on Sunday nights. And looking pretty fantastic in it.

She also had a role in a movie called Burning Palms, where she plays the wanton young lady attracting the old guy (supposedly her dad but maybe not). It looks like a pretty crappy movie but she looks quite good nekkid.

 

[fatness]

4 episodes to go. This show is ####### great.

Finished watching season 3. The show, both in story and in character, was unbelievably well-written. The acting was good; some of the actors were great. Excepting the first few episodes of season 1 there were few if any slow spots. I couldn't stand Matt Jamison or Lori Garvey but they each finally showed some redeeming qualities at the end. Coon and Theroux were outstanding. The show was strong enough that some of the episodes felt like getting hit with a shovel.

"You're the bravest girl in the world."

"What do we do now?"

"I'm here."

I'll wait 2-3 years and re-watch the series, when I've forgotten some of it.

I was trying to explain the show to my son and why I liked it. I got as far as "Kevin Garvey constantly tries to be good, and does some really horrible things. He killed this one woman 3 or 4 times."  And at that point I realized he had no clue what I was talking about and wouldn't, unless he watches the series.

Best TV show I've ever seen.

 

[shadyridr]

Decided to binge watch this when I heard how incredible the final season was. So glad I did. Two episodes left and each one gets more and more heart wrenching. The acting is incredible.Having lost a child myself its a tough watch but one I am so glad I am doing. The show is fantastic. Season 1 started off pretty boring but got good at the end. Season 2 was wacky and I loved the feel good ending. Season 3 from the breakup in the hotel, to the lion boat, to the suicide episode. My God. And they do all these amazing scenes with that piano music. Gives me chills. This show is therapy.

"I didn't lose them. They're just gone"

2 more episodes to go! Sad that it will be over.

 

[bigmarc27]

Rewatched this again. Brilliant show, just incredible acting.  Carrie Coon gives literally the best female acting performance in anything I have ever seen. 

Also I still don’t get everything in the death/dream sequences with Kevin. 

 

[wlwiles]

I just binged this series over the last 2 weeks.  Really glad that I found this thread as it has helped me understand a ton.  I felt like a lot of it :whoosh: right by me throughout the entire series, but I get the overall story....and I enjoyed it overall.  Thought the acting was superb throughout.  I have a bunch of questions though about things that happened that either didn't fit, didn't make sense, or just felt like they were out of left field. Or I'm an idiot for not figuring them out on my own, probably. 

At the very beginning of S2, we saw a woman emerge from a cave pregnant, and then a cave-in destroys everyone she was with.  She gives birth on her own, gets snakebit, dies and a stranger finds her baby down in a quarry/riverbed - and that same riverbed is the one Kevin tried his cinderblock plunge into.  What was the significance or the meaning of this lady and her baby? 

Why did Nora throw the rock through Erika's window?  How did Erika know it was her (because she threw it back)? 

What the heck made Kevin Sr. so convinced there'd be a flood in S3? And when it turns out there wasn't, the only reaction from him we got was a "huh, how 'bout that".  Feels like I missed something about why he thought this would happen. 

What made Nora decide to give Lily back to Christine? 

Why did Meg hook up with Tom? 

Why did John's father/father in law kill himself after he gave Kevin the poison and promised he'd bring him back?  When Kevin emerged from the ground Michael said "he told me to bury you" - so Michael knew his grandfather was going to kill him?  And Kevin is cool with Michael afterward, knowing that Michael helped plan his death?  

Was the man on the bridge during Kevin's first "death dream" and the guy in his earpiece during his second one, and the guy who was God in the red hat on the boat the same person? 

Did Kevin's heavily tattooed back mean anything?  The way they were shown made me feel like they were significant somehow

Kevin Sr. stumbles upon a man in the desert lighting himself on fire.  The guy said that he answered the "will you kill a baby if it means curing cancer" question with a No, and he's upset because that wasn't the answer they were looking for.  Nora answered the same question with Yes, and that was the wrong answer also.  What the heck answer were they wanting?  Why were both wrong? 

 

[El Floppo]

I just binged this series over the last 2 weeks.  Really glad that I found this thread as it has helped me understand a ton.  I felt like a lot of it :whoosh: right by me throughout the entire series, but I get the overall story....and I enjoyed it overall.  Thought the acting was superb throughout.  I have a bunch of questions though about things that happened that either didn't fit, didn't make sense, or just felt like they were out of left field. Or I'm an idiot for not figuring them out on my own, probably. 

At the very beginning of S2, we saw a woman emerge from a cave pregnant, and then a cave-in destroys everyone she was with.  She gives birth on her own, gets snakebit, dies and a stranger finds her baby down in a quarry/riverbed - and that same riverbed is the one Kevin tried his cinderblock plunge into.  What was the significance or the meaning of this lady and her baby? 

Why did Nora throw the rock through Erika's window?  How did Erika know it was her (because she threw it back)? 

What the heck made Kevin Sr. so convinced there'd be a flood in S3? And when it turns out there wasn't, the only reaction from him we got was a "huh, how 'bout that".  Feels like I missed something about why he thought this would happen. 

What made Nora decide to give Lily back to Christine? 

Why did Meg hook up with Tom? 

Why did John's father/father in law kill himself after he gave Kevin the poison and promised he'd bring him back?  When Kevin emerged from the ground Michael said "he told me to bury you" - so Michael knew his grandfather was going to kill him?  And Kevin is cool with Michael afterward, knowing that Michael helped plan his death?  

Was the man on the bridge during Kevin's first "death dream" and the guy in his earpiece during his second one, and the guy who was God in the red hat on the boat the same person? 

Did Kevin's heavily tattooed back mean anything?  The way they were shown made me feel like they were significant somehow

yes.

 

[urbanhack]

Got totally screwed at the emmy's. Damn. 

How was "Nora" not nominated at all???

A little late to this, but just finished all three seasons over the last month or so.  Last two episodes of S3 were great TV, Nora's acting specifically!

 

[krista4]

How was "Nora" not nominated at all???

A little late to this, but just finished all three seasons over the last month or so.  Last two episodes of S3 were great TV, Nora's acting specifically!

Carrie Coon is Mr. krista's celebrity crush and frankly might be mine, too.  In any case, she must have been deserving over whoever was nominated in those years.  She's spectacular.

I binge-watched this about nine months ago so was too late for this thread and just saw it when you bumped.  This show rivals The Wire as my favorite of all time.  It just crushed me.  Need to re-watch.

 

[Capella]

How was "Nora" not nominated at all???

A little late to this, but just finished all three seasons over the last month or so.  Last two episodes of S3 were great TV, Nora's acting specifically!

One of the best acting jobs in modern tv history imo. 

 

[urbanhack]

Carrie Coon is Mr. krista's celebrity crush and frankly might be mine, too.  In any case, she must have been deserving over whoever was nominated in those years.  She's spectacular.

I binge-watched this about nine months ago so was too late for this thread and just saw it when you bumped.  This show rivals The Wire as my favorite of all time.  It just crushed me.  Need to re-watch.

I have to say that I was more emotional at the finish of that show more than anything else I’ve seen in a while.