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Functioning is in the eye of the beholder. Most of the wards there have a bad life but don't know enough to try and leave. Or maybe are like the old guy and feel like there's no hope for them no matter where they are.
Rick doesn't manipulate and lead by fear or force most of the time. In fact those rules have been criticized for being too idealistic in this new world. I think the whole 'other evil leader' cycle is set up to show that a group like Rick's is rare for their ability to work together and decide together vs some of these loosely sociopathic dictators.
Rick's group also doesn't have an illusion of creating a new order and society anymore (unlike Woodbury, Terminus, Hospital). Maybe it's because they've seen thes new 'societies' because they're nomadic and simply don't trust them.
All the members of Rick's group have to go through a process of letting go of false hope. Rick's group isn't striving toward a singular goal other than safety and survival. Abraham and Preacher had a mission (Abe with DC, Preacher attempting to maintain holiness). But those are fluffy and unobtainable.
The 'point' is that the best you can do is survive with Rick's group. There has not been a better alternative presented yet.
If something doesn't happen on camera, we've been instructed to assume it happens off. So we can assume Beth/Maggie/Daryl reunited and hugged it out before the trade went down, which is why Beth appeared more emotionally attached to Noah than anyone else during the actual trade itself. Not sure why Beth left Maggie/Daryl to go back to the cop side before the trade.. but it is what it isThe one thing I don't understand is why Beth did what she did. That seemed so out of place. Ok you are all distraught and emotional but when you essentially see for lack of a better word 'your family" show up after you thought they were all dead and then you hate some lady you have been with for a couple of week enough to not even say hi to everyone? And you hug Noah? then you stick the lady with some tweezers? Really.
The Beth death scene is perhaps the worst moment so far. That was really terrible. That was a serious what the #### moment.
It would be good for the show to find a town like Woodbury that's not run by a dictator.Rick doesn't manipulate and lead by fear or force most of the time. In fact those rules have been criticized for being too idealistic in this new world. I think the whole 'other evil leader' cycle is set up to show that a group like Rick's is rare for their ability to work together and decide together vs some of these loosely sociopathic dictators.
Rick's group also doesn't have an illusion of creating a new order and society anymore (unlike Woodbury, Terminus, Hospital). Maybe it's because they've seen thes new 'societies' because they're nomadic and simply don't trust them.
All the members of Rick's group have to go through a process of letting go of false hope. Rick's group isn't striving toward a singular goal other than safety and survival. Abraham and Preacher had a mission (Abe with DC, Preacher attempting to maintain holiness). But those are fluffy and unobtainable.
The 'point' is that the best you can do is survive with Rick's group. There has not been a better alternative presented yet.![]()
I think it'll be interesting to see where the group goes from here. In the past, much of their focus has been on finding a perceived safe haven (the CDC, the farm, the prison, Terminus) but all of that proved short-lived or an illusion. The goal Abraham and his group had has also proven to be a lie. So where does everyone go now? What will be their sense of purpose? Just surviving from day to day? At one point last season Rick said to Michonne that all they ever talk about anymore is what to eat next. There's always been the sense from Rick that there needs to be more than just survival. That being a community (a "family") is what they ultimate needed to survive. I still think that drives him and the rest of the group too but where will drive them to?
<_<It would be good for the show to find a town like Woodbury that's not run by a dictator.Rick doesn't manipulate and lead by fear or force most of the time. In fact those rules have been criticized for being too idealistic in this new world. I think the whole 'other evil leader' cycle is set up to show that a group like Rick's is rare for their ability to work together and decide together vs some of these loosely sociopathic dictators.
Rick's group also doesn't have an illusion of creating a new order and society anymore (unlike Woodbury, Terminus, Hospital). Maybe it's because they've seen thes new 'societies' because they're nomadic and simply don't trust them.
All the members of Rick's group have to go through a process of letting go of false hope. Rick's group isn't striving toward a singular goal other than safety and survival. Abraham and Preacher had a mission (Abe with DC, Preacher attempting to maintain holiness). But those are fluffy and unobtainable.
The 'point' is that the best you can do is survive with Rick's group. There has not been a better alternative presented yet.![]()
I think it'll be interesting to see where the group goes from here. In the past, much of their focus has been on finding a perceived safe haven (the CDC, the farm, the prison, Terminus) but all of that proved short-lived or an illusion. The goal Abraham and his group had has also proven to be a lie. So where does everyone go now? What will be their sense of purpose? Just surviving from day to day? At one point last season Rick said to Michonne that all they ever talk about anymore is what to eat next. There's always been the sense from Rick that there needs to be more than just survival. That being a community (a "family") is what they ultimate needed to survive. I still think that drives him and the rest of the group too but where will drive them to?
Hershel's farm would be the closest thing to that...It would be good for the show to find a town like Woodbury that's not run by a dictator.Rick doesn't manipulate and lead by fear or force most of the time. In fact those rules have been criticized for being too idealistic in this new world. I think the whole 'other evil leader' cycle is set up to show that a group like Rick's is rare for their ability to work together and decide together vs some of these loosely sociopathic dictators.
Rick's group also doesn't have an illusion of creating a new order and society anymore (unlike Woodbury, Terminus, Hospital). Maybe it's because they've seen thes new 'societies' because they're nomadic and simply don't trust them.
All the members of Rick's group have to go through a process of letting go of false hope. Rick's group isn't striving toward a singular goal other than safety and survival. Abraham and Preacher had a mission (Abe with DC, Preacher attempting to maintain holiness). But those are fluffy and unobtainable.
The 'point' is that the best you can do is survive with Rick's group. There has not been a better alternative presented yet.![]()
I think it'll be interesting to see where the group goes from here. In the past, much of their focus has been on finding a perceived safe haven (the CDC, the farm, the prison, Terminus) but all of that proved short-lived or an illusion. The goal Abraham and his group had has also proven to be a lie. So where does everyone go now? What will be their sense of purpose? Just surviving from day to day? At one point last season Rick said to Michonne that all they ever talk about anymore is what to eat next. There's always been the sense from Rick that there needs to be more than just survival. That being a community (a "family") is what they ultimate needed to survive. I still think that drives him and the rest of the group too but where will drive them to?
By "good for the show" you mean "boring as hell", right?It would be good for the show to find a town like Woodbury that's not run by a dictator.Rick doesn't manipulate and lead by fear or force most of the time. In fact those rules have been criticized for being too idealistic in this new world. I think the whole 'other evil leader' cycle is set up to show that a group like Rick's is rare for their ability to work together and decide together vs some of these loosely sociopathic dictators.
Rick's group also doesn't have an illusion of creating a new order and society anymore (unlike Woodbury, Terminus, Hospital). Maybe it's because they've seen thes new 'societies' because they're nomadic and simply don't trust them.
All the members of Rick's group have to go through a process of letting go of false hope. Rick's group isn't striving toward a singular goal other than safety and survival. Abraham and Preacher had a mission (Abe with DC, Preacher attempting to maintain holiness). But those are fluffy and unobtainable.
The 'point' is that the best you can do is survive with Rick's group. There has not been a better alternative presented yet.![]()
I think it'll be interesting to see where the group goes from here. In the past, much of their focus has been on finding a perceived safe haven (the CDC, the farm, the prison, Terminus) but all of that proved short-lived or an illusion. The goal Abraham and his group had has also proven to be a lie. So where does everyone go now? What will be their sense of purpose? Just surviving from day to day? At one point last season Rick said to Michonne that all they ever talk about anymore is what to eat next. There's always been the sense from Rick that there needs to be more than just survival. That being a community (a "family") is what they ultimate needed to survive. I still think that drives him and the rest of the group too but where will drive them to?
Maggie wasn't there.If something doesn't happen on camera, we've been instructed to assume it happens off. So we can assume Beth/Maggie/Daryl reunited and hugged it out before the trade went down, which is why Beth appeared more emotionally attached to Noah than anyone else during the actual trade itself. Not sure why Beth left Maggie/Daryl to go back to the cop side before the trade.. but it is what it isThe one thing I don't understand is why Beth did what she did. That seemed so out of place. Ok you are all distraught and emotional but when you essentially see for lack of a better word 'your family" show up after you thought they were all dead and then you hate some lady you have been with for a couple of week enough to not even say hi to everyone? And you hug Noah? then you stick the lady with some tweezers? Really.
The Beth death scene is perhaps the worst moment so far. That was really terrible. That was a serious what the #### moment.![]()
She rescued people and gave them a place to live. She also claimed that she was only doing it until they were rescued. Not a nice woman but if the place was run by the male officers it would have been much worse.She killed HansonIn the scheme of things in that world Don was hardly evil. A tyrant, sure, but I wouldn't go as far as 'evil'.
She allowed the officers to rape
She manipulated Beth into killing people
all to acquire and maintain power
She was pretty damn evil...
dohMaggie wasn't there.If something doesn't happen on camera, we've been instructed to assume it happens off. So we can assume Beth/Maggie/Daryl reunited and hugged it out before the trade went down, which is why Beth appeared more emotionally attached to Noah than anyone else during the actual trade itself. Not sure why Beth left Maggie/Daryl to go back to the cop side before the trade.. but it is what it isThe one thing I don't understand is why Beth did what she did. That seemed so out of place. Ok you are all distraught and emotional but when you essentially see for lack of a better word 'your family" show up after you thought they were all dead and then you hate some lady you have been with for a couple of week enough to not even say hi to everyone? And you hug Noah? then you stick the lady with some tweezers? Really.
The Beth death scene is perhaps the worst moment so far. That was really terrible. That was a serious what the #### moment.![]()
was she there at the hospital at the very end when Daryl carried her out of the hospital? I'm confusing memories.They didn't rescue people...they kidnapped people and turned them into slavesShe rescued people and gave them a place to live. She also claimed that she was only doing it until they were rescued. Not a nice woman but if the place was run by the male officers it would have been much worse.She killed HansonIn the scheme of things in that world Don was hardly evil. A tyrant, sure, but I wouldn't go as far as 'evil'.
She allowed the officers to rape
She manipulated Beth into killing people
all to acquire and maintain power
She was pretty damn evil...
They could finally get back to finishing gardening. It's like they just left us hanging off the cliff with that one.By "good for the show" you mean "boring as hell", right?It would be good for the show to find a town like Woodbury that's not run by a dictator.Rick doesn't manipulate and lead by fear or force most of the time. In fact those rules have been criticized for being too idealistic in this new world. I think the whole 'other evil leader' cycle is set up to show that a group like Rick's is rare for their ability to work together and decide together vs some of these loosely sociopathic dictators.
Rick's group also doesn't have an illusion of creating a new order and society anymore (unlike Woodbury, Terminus, Hospital). Maybe it's because they've seen thes new 'societies' because they're nomadic and simply don't trust them.
All the members of Rick's group have to go through a process of letting go of false hope. Rick's group isn't striving toward a singular goal other than safety and survival. Abraham and Preacher had a mission (Abe with DC, Preacher attempting to maintain holiness). But those are fluffy and unobtainable.
The 'point' is that the best you can do is survive with Rick's group. There has not been a better alternative presented yet.![]()
I think it'll be interesting to see where the group goes from here. In the past, much of their focus has been on finding a perceived safe haven (the CDC, the farm, the prison, Terminus) but all of that proved short-lived or an illusion. The goal Abraham and his group had has also proven to be a lie. So where does everyone go now? What will be their sense of purpose? Just surviving from day to day? At one point last season Rick said to Michonne that all they ever talk about anymore is what to eat next. There's always been the sense from Rick that there needs to be more than just survival. That being a community (a "family") is what they ultimate needed to survive. I still think that drives him and the rest of the group too but where will drive them to?
Likely because the cops were looking around, and we were kind of getting their perspective on looking around. They couldnt see them, adding to the effect of them feeling like they are surrounded. Then Rick says "they're close", or something like that. If they are readily shown in the camera shot, that implies the cops see them also, and they didn't.Again so what? Why bother posting it expect to get a reaction? I don't see this as sloppy, there are any number of reasons they weren't in that shot.
How about bigger with more people in it?Hershel's farm would be the closest thing to that...It would be good for the show to find a town like Woodbury that's not run by a dictator.
Just admit you cream your pants every time you get a chance to try and point something like this outJust admit that you can't come up with one.
I had a slightly ... errr ... different reaction.Anyone else watch the Talking Dead and have the same reaction as me to when they were showing the pics of Beth hugging it out with the cast after her carry out death scene? My reaction was, "Nice thigh gap on Beth."
Just admit you cream your pants every time you get a chance to try and point something like this outJust admit that you can't come up with one.
I was minding my own business last night trying to enjoy the show and then they have to go and pull this Scooby Doo crap.An end to the show? This show isnt ending until Judith is the new President of the United States in 50 years. Or when ratings drop. Whichever is first.Will just bump my post from after season 4 as I feel we are right back where we started.
S5A was pretty good on it's own but looking at the bigger picture again, I am just overall disappointed we don't have an end to the show in sight.
At that point Rick also still thinks they are going to Washington to save the world. So there's that.Seems like the "stay with us" offer from the hospital cop should have at least been considered. Rick would step into the vacated leader role and make some changes.
It's relatively safe, they have generators, and the potential to help people. Sounds pretty appealing.
But they just saw Beth get shot in the head, so I understand walking away.
I have a hard time keeping track of who knows what and who think who is still alive.At that point Rick also still thinks they are going to Washington to save the world. So there's that.Seems like the "stay with us" offer from the hospital cop should have at least been considered. Rick would step into the vacated leader role and make some changes.
It's relatively safe, they have generators, and the potential to help people. Sounds pretty appealing.
But they just saw Beth get shot in the head, so I understand walking away.
I hadn't really thought about it until last night but it's like being at a job for several years and then getting your pink slip.I had a slightly ... errr ... different reaction.Anyone else watch the Talking Dead and have the same reaction as me to when they were showing the pics of Beth hugging it out with the cast after her carry out death scene? My reaction was, "Nice thigh gap on Beth."
Emily Kinney is definitely on the seriously cute side.
ETA - I thought her reaction on the show to being killed off was pretty powerful. This cast really comes across as a group of people who genuinely like one another. They post pictures of themselves hanging out with other cast members all the time. You could really see from her reaction just how much it meant to her to be on the show.
I liked it. It is okay to understand where you stand in the pecking order of things, it is not so smart to let others know you understand. Then you become a threat.No opinions on this or was it just not as interesting start and finish as I thought?Did anyone else notice, or find interesting, that at the beginning of the episode, when Rick runs down Bob and Bob says, "I don't know you, but I am beginning to understand." Then Bob Dies.
Cut to the end of the episode, Beth says, "I understand now (sic)" and then she dies.
I agree. I don't think they'll ever top that scene but that entire episode was terrific. Watching Shane go through a slow boil until he blew up was really well done. His scene with Dale was also very good. Dale was practically begging Shane to kill him on the spot to prove he was right about the person he had become. Shane had enough inner strength not to do it but it set in motion everything that happened next.The end was a little barn scene-ish, but really I don't think that scene will be topped in this show, ever. Shane blowing walkers way, herschel dying inside watching it (hell it drove him to drink), then out comes whats her name all walkered up with Rick popping her. Best few minutes of the entire series by far IMO.
Isn't that one of the tag lines for this season? If so this would be spot on.I think when the group is learning from their experience is that when they stop moving, they become a stationary target. Either for walkers (Quarry, Herschal's farm,) or marauders (the Prison). Even the Original Terminus was overthrown by marauders before Rick's group got there. When they are on the move, they are more likely the hunters than the hunted.
Hard to believe but I miss Dale being annoying.packersfan said:I agree. I don't think they'll ever top that scene but that entire episode was terrific. Watching Shane go through a slow boil until he blew up was really well done. His scene with Dale was also very good. Dale was practically begging Shane to kill him on the spot to prove he was right about the person he had become. Shane had enough inner strength not to do it but it set in motion everything that happened next.ghostguy123 said:The end was a little barn scene-ish, but really I don't think that scene will be topped in this show, ever. Shane blowing walkers way, herschel dying inside watching it (hell it drove him to drink), then out comes whats her name all walkered up with Rick popping her. Best few minutes of the entire series by far IMO.
"Now maybe I'll only get raped once a day!"I don't think anyone from the hospital came with them, other than Noah. Why would they go with some group they don't know, especially since it now seems there is a new leadership in the hospital, and things just might be a lot better for them?
Well, it they would go find an island, like we all have suggested, they would be fine. But no, let's stay in the vicinity of downtown Atlanta.I think they ultimately will always be on the lookout for a safe place that they can build their version of a community. Constantly being on the move isn't sustainable in the long term. I'm not sure that a community will ever be entirely sustainable either, but I think they have to search for something that has the potential to last.
Tarayeah, my only emotional connection to beth was the future 3 way with her, Maggie and Rosita. now they'll have to use the lesbo
tara is a sleeper. they make her look baggy/frumpy in this show but I bet if they cleaned her up, put her in lingerie with some slutty makeup she'd give Maggie a runTarayeah, my only emotional connection to beth was the future 3 way with her, Maggie and Rosita. now they'll have to use the lesbo![]()
New leader and what appeared to be the biggest rapers are dead."Now maybe I'll only get raped once a day!"I don't think anyone from the hospital came with them, other than Noah. Why would they go with some group they don't know, especially since it now seems there is a new leadership in the hospital, and things just might be a lot better for them?
/Women at the hospital
Well they had the prison, and since that went to #### they havent all been together to even discuss it. And till now the plan was to get to washingtonPlus if a prison wasnt safe why would an island be safe?Well, it they would go find an island, like we all have suggested, they would be fine. But no, let's stay in the vicinity of downtown Atlanta.I think they ultimately will always be on the lookout for a safe place that they can build their version of a community. Constantly being on the move isn't sustainable in the long term. I'm not sure that a community will ever be entirely sustainable either, but I think they have to search for something that has the potential to last.
I think Alanna Masterson is very hot. She won me over when she was on The Talking Dead last season. Been seriously smitten ever since.tara is a sleeper. they make her look baggy/frumpy in this show but I bet if they cleaned her up, put her in lingerie with some slutty makeup she'd give Maggie a runTarayeah, my only emotional connection to beth was the future 3 way with her, Maggie and Rosita. now they'll have to use the lesbo![]()
WOAH!tara is a sleeper. they make her look baggy/frumpy in this show but I bet if they cleaned her up, put her in lingerie with some slutty makeup she'd give Maggie a runTarayeah, my only emotional connection to beth was the future 3 way with her, Maggie and Rosita. now they'll have to use the lesbo![]()
Disco Stu said:It was nice of Rick and crew to avoid completely destroying a functioning society for once.
Gimple wrote both of those episodes.For my money, the look at the flowers episode beat out the barn episode. By a lot.
I'm not sure that any of the character's deaths have evoked any emotion. Except Shane...but only because he understood the reality of the whole situation.My wife was mad at me that I wasn't sad when Beth died.![]()
I get sad when the zombies die.I'm not sure that any of the character's deaths have evoked any emotion. Except Shane...but only because he understood the reality of the whole situation.My wife was mad at me that I wasn't sad when Beth died.![]()