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***OFFICIAL 'The Walking Dead' TV Series Thread*** (6 Viewers)

Functioning is in the eye of the beholder. Most of the wards there have a bad life but don't know enough to try and leave. Or maybe are like the old guy and feel like there's no hope for them no matter where they are.

 
Rick doesn't manipulate and lead by fear or force most of the time. In fact those rules have been criticized for being too idealistic in this new world. I think the whole 'other evil leader' cycle is set up to show that a group like Rick's is rare for their ability to work together and decide together vs some of these loosely sociopathic dictators.

Rick's group also doesn't have an illusion of creating a new order and society anymore (unlike Woodbury, Terminus, Hospital). Maybe it's because they've seen thes new 'societies' because they're nomadic and simply don't trust them.

All the members of Rick's group have to go through a process of letting go of false hope. Rick's group isn't striving toward a singular goal other than safety and survival. Abraham and Preacher had a mission (Abe with DC, Preacher attempting to maintain holiness). But those are fluffy and unobtainable.

The 'point' is that the best you can do is survive with Rick's group. There has not been a better alternative presented yet.

 
Rick doesn't manipulate and lead by fear or force most of the time. In fact those rules have been criticized for being too idealistic in this new world. I think the whole 'other evil leader' cycle is set up to show that a group like Rick's is rare for their ability to work together and decide together vs some of these loosely sociopathic dictators.

Rick's group also doesn't have an illusion of creating a new order and society anymore (unlike Woodbury, Terminus, Hospital). Maybe it's because they've seen thes new 'societies' because they're nomadic and simply don't trust them.

All the members of Rick's group have to go through a process of letting go of false hope. Rick's group isn't striving toward a singular goal other than safety and survival. Abraham and Preacher had a mission (Abe with DC, Preacher attempting to maintain holiness). But those are fluffy and unobtainable.

The 'point' is that the best you can do is survive with Rick's group. There has not been a better alternative presented yet.
:goodposting:

I think it'll be interesting to see where the group goes from here. In the past, much of their focus has been on finding a perceived safe haven (the CDC, the farm, the prison, Terminus) but all of that proved short-lived or an illusion. The goal Abraham and his group had has also proven to be a lie. So where does everyone go now? What will be their sense of purpose? Just surviving from day to day? At one point last season Rick said to Michonne that all they ever talk about anymore is what to eat next. There's always been the sense from Rick that there needs to be more than just survival. That being a community (a "family") is what they ultimate needed to survive. I still think that drives him and the rest of the group too but where will drive them to?

 
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The one thing I don't understand is why Beth did what she did. That seemed so out of place. Ok you are all distraught and emotional but when you essentially see for lack of a better word 'your family" show up after you thought they were all dead and then you hate some lady you have been with for a couple of week enough to not even say hi to everyone? And you hug Noah? then you stick the lady with some tweezers? Really.

The Beth death scene is perhaps the worst moment so far. That was really terrible. That was a serious what the #### moment.
If something doesn't happen on camera, we've been instructed to assume it happens off. So we can assume Beth/Maggie/Daryl reunited and hugged it out before the trade went down, which is why Beth appeared more emotionally attached to Noah than anyone else during the actual trade itself. Not sure why Beth left Maggie/Daryl to go back to the cop side before the trade.. but it is what it is :shrug:

 
Rick doesn't manipulate and lead by fear or force most of the time. In fact those rules have been criticized for being too idealistic in this new world. I think the whole 'other evil leader' cycle is set up to show that a group like Rick's is rare for their ability to work together and decide together vs some of these loosely sociopathic dictators.

Rick's group also doesn't have an illusion of creating a new order and society anymore (unlike Woodbury, Terminus, Hospital). Maybe it's because they've seen thes new 'societies' because they're nomadic and simply don't trust them.

All the members of Rick's group have to go through a process of letting go of false hope. Rick's group isn't striving toward a singular goal other than safety and survival. Abraham and Preacher had a mission (Abe with DC, Preacher attempting to maintain holiness). But those are fluffy and unobtainable.

The 'point' is that the best you can do is survive with Rick's group. There has not been a better alternative presented yet.
:goodposting:

I think it'll be interesting to see where the group goes from here. In the past, much of their focus has been on finding a perceived safe haven (the CDC, the farm, the prison, Terminus) but all of that proved short-lived or an illusion. The goal Abraham and his group had has also proven to be a lie. So where does everyone go now? What will be their sense of purpose? Just surviving from day to day? At one point last season Rick said to Michonne that all they ever talk about anymore is what to eat next. There's always been the sense from Rick that there needs to be more than just survival. That being a community (a "family") is what they ultimate needed to survive. I still think that drives him and the rest of the group too but where will drive them to?
It would be good for the show to find a town like Woodbury that's not run by a dictator.

 
Rick doesn't manipulate and lead by fear or force most of the time. In fact those rules have been criticized for being too idealistic in this new world. I think the whole 'other evil leader' cycle is set up to show that a group like Rick's is rare for their ability to work together and decide together vs some of these loosely sociopathic dictators.

Rick's group also doesn't have an illusion of creating a new order and society anymore (unlike Woodbury, Terminus, Hospital). Maybe it's because they've seen thes new 'societies' because they're nomadic and simply don't trust them.

All the members of Rick's group have to go through a process of letting go of false hope. Rick's group isn't striving toward a singular goal other than safety and survival. Abraham and Preacher had a mission (Abe with DC, Preacher attempting to maintain holiness). But those are fluffy and unobtainable.

The 'point' is that the best you can do is survive with Rick's group. There has not been a better alternative presented yet.
:goodposting:

I think it'll be interesting to see where the group goes from here. In the past, much of their focus has been on finding a perceived safe haven (the CDC, the farm, the prison, Terminus) but all of that proved short-lived or an illusion. The goal Abraham and his group had has also proven to be a lie. So where does everyone go now? What will be their sense of purpose? Just surviving from day to day? At one point last season Rick said to Michonne that all they ever talk about anymore is what to eat next. There's always been the sense from Rick that there needs to be more than just survival. That being a community (a "family") is what they ultimate needed to survive. I still think that drives him and the rest of the group too but where will drive them to?
It would be good for the show to find a town like Woodbury that's not run by a dictator.
<_<

 
Rick doesn't manipulate and lead by fear or force most of the time. In fact those rules have been criticized for being too idealistic in this new world. I think the whole 'other evil leader' cycle is set up to show that a group like Rick's is rare for their ability to work together and decide together vs some of these loosely sociopathic dictators.

Rick's group also doesn't have an illusion of creating a new order and society anymore (unlike Woodbury, Terminus, Hospital). Maybe it's because they've seen thes new 'societies' because they're nomadic and simply don't trust them.

All the members of Rick's group have to go through a process of letting go of false hope. Rick's group isn't striving toward a singular goal other than safety and survival. Abraham and Preacher had a mission (Abe with DC, Preacher attempting to maintain holiness). But those are fluffy and unobtainable.

The 'point' is that the best you can do is survive with Rick's group. There has not been a better alternative presented yet.
:goodposting:

I think it'll be interesting to see where the group goes from here. In the past, much of their focus has been on finding a perceived safe haven (the CDC, the farm, the prison, Terminus) but all of that proved short-lived or an illusion. The goal Abraham and his group had has also proven to be a lie. So where does everyone go now? What will be their sense of purpose? Just surviving from day to day? At one point last season Rick said to Michonne that all they ever talk about anymore is what to eat next. There's always been the sense from Rick that there needs to be more than just survival. That being a community (a "family") is what they ultimate needed to survive. I still think that drives him and the rest of the group too but where will drive them to?
It would be good for the show to find a town like Woodbury that's not run by a dictator.
Hershel's farm would be the closest thing to that...

 
The problem with nearly all of the safe havens we've seen so far is that eventually the walkers arrive en masse. There are often other human factors which result in the places all going to hell but the walkers almost always end up there in droves. That's why I'm not sure there really is a safe haven place anymore. Even Carl seems to have figured that out telling the priest "You can't stay in one place too long." The only way to survive may be to just keep moving.

 
My guess is they decide that Eugene was right and go to DC anyways. Then it will be a traveling show where they can come across all kinds of episodes for a while. They can do all the quick hitter ideas that couldn't fit into a fixed narrative.

The writers probably have a ton of comic book panels they want to do but can't at this point. All kinds of creative zombie kills and wack people to meet and kill.

 
Rick doesn't manipulate and lead by fear or force most of the time. In fact those rules have been criticized for being too idealistic in this new world. I think the whole 'other evil leader' cycle is set up to show that a group like Rick's is rare for their ability to work together and decide together vs some of these loosely sociopathic dictators.

Rick's group also doesn't have an illusion of creating a new order and society anymore (unlike Woodbury, Terminus, Hospital). Maybe it's because they've seen thes new 'societies' because they're nomadic and simply don't trust them.

All the members of Rick's group have to go through a process of letting go of false hope. Rick's group isn't striving toward a singular goal other than safety and survival. Abraham and Preacher had a mission (Abe with DC, Preacher attempting to maintain holiness). But those are fluffy and unobtainable.

The 'point' is that the best you can do is survive with Rick's group. There has not been a better alternative presented yet.
:goodposting:

I think it'll be interesting to see where the group goes from here. In the past, much of their focus has been on finding a perceived safe haven (the CDC, the farm, the prison, Terminus) but all of that proved short-lived or an illusion. The goal Abraham and his group had has also proven to be a lie. So where does everyone go now? What will be their sense of purpose? Just surviving from day to day? At one point last season Rick said to Michonne that all they ever talk about anymore is what to eat next. There's always been the sense from Rick that there needs to be more than just survival. That being a community (a "family") is what they ultimate needed to survive. I still think that drives him and the rest of the group too but where will drive them to?
It would be good for the show to find a town like Woodbury that's not run by a dictator.
By "good for the show" you mean "boring as hell", right?

 
The one thing I don't understand is why Beth did what she did. That seemed so out of place. Ok you are all distraught and emotional but when you essentially see for lack of a better word 'your family" show up after you thought they were all dead and then you hate some lady you have been with for a couple of week enough to not even say hi to everyone? And you hug Noah? then you stick the lady with some tweezers? Really.

The Beth death scene is perhaps the worst moment so far. That was really terrible. That was a serious what the #### moment.
If something doesn't happen on camera, we've been instructed to assume it happens off. So we can assume Beth/Maggie/Daryl reunited and hugged it out before the trade went down, which is why Beth appeared more emotionally attached to Noah than anyone else during the actual trade itself. Not sure why Beth left Maggie/Daryl to go back to the cop side before the trade.. but it is what it is :shrug:
Maggie wasn't there.

 
In a small space like a hospital hallway with a dozen or so people, 2 gunshots and no one besides the targets get hit. No idea how Dawn could get shot like that at close range and no one behind her got hit. :shrug:

just joining the nitpick club for a moment...

 
In the scheme of things in that world Don was hardly evil. A tyrant, sure, but I wouldn't go as far as 'evil'.
She killed Hanson

She allowed the officers to rape

She manipulated Beth into killing people

all to acquire and maintain power

She was pretty damn evil...
She rescued people and gave them a place to live. She also claimed that she was only doing it until they were rescued. Not a nice woman but if the place was run by the male officers it would have been much worse.

 
The one thing I don't understand is why Beth did what she did. That seemed so out of place. Ok you are all distraught and emotional but when you essentially see for lack of a better word 'your family" show up after you thought they were all dead and then you hate some lady you have been with for a couple of week enough to not even say hi to everyone? And you hug Noah? then you stick the lady with some tweezers? Really.

The Beth death scene is perhaps the worst moment so far. That was really terrible. That was a serious what the #### moment.
If something doesn't happen on camera, we've been instructed to assume it happens off. So we can assume Beth/Maggie/Daryl reunited and hugged it out before the trade went down, which is why Beth appeared more emotionally attached to Noah than anyone else during the actual trade itself. Not sure why Beth left Maggie/Daryl to go back to the cop side before the trade.. but it is what it is :shrug:
Maggie wasn't there.
doh :wall: was she there at the hospital at the very end when Daryl carried her out of the hospital? I'm confusing memories.

How about we assume the Beth/Daryl/Maggie group hug happened off set in between takes (less incestial that way anyway). I don't care how it hypothetically happened as long as it hypothetically did.

 
In the scheme of things in that world Don was hardly evil. A tyrant, sure, but I wouldn't go as far as 'evil'.
She killed Hanson

She allowed the officers to rape

She manipulated Beth into killing people

all to acquire and maintain power

She was pretty damn evil...
She rescued people and gave them a place to live. She also claimed that she was only doing it until they were rescued. Not a nice woman but if the place was run by the male officers it would have been much worse.
They didn't rescue people...they kidnapped people and turned them into slaves

 
Rick doesn't manipulate and lead by fear or force most of the time. In fact those rules have been criticized for being too idealistic in this new world. I think the whole 'other evil leader' cycle is set up to show that a group like Rick's is rare for their ability to work together and decide together vs some of these loosely sociopathic dictators.

Rick's group also doesn't have an illusion of creating a new order and society anymore (unlike Woodbury, Terminus, Hospital). Maybe it's because they've seen thes new 'societies' because they're nomadic and simply don't trust them.

All the members of Rick's group have to go through a process of letting go of false hope. Rick's group isn't striving toward a singular goal other than safety and survival. Abraham and Preacher had a mission (Abe with DC, Preacher attempting to maintain holiness). But those are fluffy and unobtainable.

The 'point' is that the best you can do is survive with Rick's group. There has not been a better alternative presented yet.
:goodposting:

I think it'll be interesting to see where the group goes from here. In the past, much of their focus has been on finding a perceived safe haven (the CDC, the farm, the prison, Terminus) but all of that proved short-lived or an illusion. The goal Abraham and his group had has also proven to be a lie. So where does everyone go now? What will be their sense of purpose? Just surviving from day to day? At one point last season Rick said to Michonne that all they ever talk about anymore is what to eat next. There's always been the sense from Rick that there needs to be more than just survival. That being a community (a "family") is what they ultimate needed to survive. I still think that drives him and the rest of the group too but where will drive them to?
It would be good for the show to find a town like Woodbury that's not run by a dictator.
By "good for the show" you mean "boring as hell", right?
They could finally get back to finishing gardening. It's like they just left us hanging off the cliff with that one.

 
Again so what? Why bother posting it expect to get a reaction? I don't see this as sloppy, there are any number of reasons they weren't in that shot.
Likely because the cops were looking around, and we were kind of getting their perspective on looking around. They couldnt see them, adding to the effect of them feeling like they are surrounded. Then Rick says "they're close", or something like that. If they are readily shown in the camera shot, that implies the cops see them also, and they didn't.

Another really, really stupid thing to complain about.

 
Anyone else watch the Talking Dead and have the same reaction as me to when they were showing the pics of Beth hugging it out with the cast after her carry out death scene? My reaction was, "Nice thigh gap on Beth."

 
Anyone else watch the Talking Dead and have the same reaction as me to when they were showing the pics of Beth hugging it out with the cast after her carry out death scene? My reaction was, "Nice thigh gap on Beth."
I had a slightly ... errr ... different reaction.

Emily Kinney is definitely on the seriously cute side.

ETA - I thought her reaction on the show to being killed off was pretty powerful. This cast really comes across as a group of people who genuinely like one another. They post pictures of themselves hanging out with other cast members all the time. You could really see from her reaction just how much it meant to her to be on the show.

 
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Will just bump my post from after season 4 as I feel we are right back where we started.

S5A was pretty good on it's own but looking at the bigger picture again, I am just overall disappointed we don't have an end to the show in sight.
An end to the show? This show isnt ending until Judith is the new President of the United States in 50 years. Or when ratings drop. Whichever is first.

 
Seems like the "stay with us" offer from the hospital cop should have at least been considered. Rick would step into the vacated leader role and make some changes.

It's relatively safe, they have generators, and the potential to help people. Sounds pretty appealing.

But they just saw Beth get shot in the head, so I understand walking away.
At that point Rick also still thinks they are going to Washington to save the world. So there's that.

 
Seems like the "stay with us" offer from the hospital cop should have at least been considered. Rick would step into the vacated leader role and make some changes.

It's relatively safe, they have generators, and the potential to help people. Sounds pretty appealing.

But they just saw Beth get shot in the head, so I understand walking away.
At that point Rick also still thinks they are going to Washington to save the world. So there's that.
I have a hard time keeping track of who knows what and who think who is still alive.
 
Anyone else watch the Talking Dead and have the same reaction as me to when they were showing the pics of Beth hugging it out with the cast after her carry out death scene? My reaction was, "Nice thigh gap on Beth."
I had a slightly ... errr ... different reaction.

Emily Kinney is definitely on the seriously cute side.

ETA - I thought her reaction on the show to being killed off was pretty powerful. This cast really comes across as a group of people who genuinely like one another. They post pictures of themselves hanging out with other cast members all the time. You could really see from her reaction just how much it meant to her to be on the show.
I hadn't really thought about it until last night but it's like being at a job for several years and then getting your pink slip.

 
Did anyone else notice, or find interesting, that at the beginning of the episode, when Rick runs down Bob and Bob says, "I don't know you, but I am beginning to understand." Then Bob Dies.

Cut to the end of the episode, Beth says, "I understand now (sic)" and then she dies.
No opinions on this or was it just not as interesting start and finish as I thought?
I liked it. It is okay to understand where you stand in the pecking order of things, it is not so smart to let others know you understand. Then you become a threat.

Good catch on tying the opening and closing together.

 
Rick's opening scene was both awesome and totally necessary. You don't KO one of the group and run off expecting things to just be ok. For all Rick knows that guy plans to kill them all. Once he was on the ground and broken, it was over anyway. Rick walked up to him knowing he was about to put a bullet in his head.

NO, Maggie and Beth did not hug it out before that scene. The firetruck just got there when it was all over. Hella-timing.

It definitely makes sense for Beth to die over Carol from the "Daryl" perspective of viewing the show. He was with her when the #### hit the fan at the prison, lost her, and was about to find her again. Either Beth or Carol dying would have made sense for that, but I am good with them not killing one of the top 3 characters, so there's that.

The end was a little barn scene-ish, but really I don't think that scene will be topped in this show, ever. Shane blowing walkers way, herschel dying inside watching it (hell it drove him to drink), then out comes whats her name all walkered up with Rick popping her. Best few minutes of the entire series by far IMO. In this case they found Beth, then blammo, dead.

I don't think anyone from the hospital came with them, other than Noah. Why would they go with some group they don't know, especially since it now seems there is a new leadership in the hospital, and things just might be a lot better for them?

Question I don't think any of us have the slightest answer to, even the comic readers, is where to next?

 
I think what the group is learning from their experience is that when they stop moving, they become a stationary target. Either for walkers (Quarry, Herschal's farm,) or marauders (the Prison). Even the Original Terminus was overthrown by marauders before Rick's group got there. When they are on the move, they are more likely the hunters than the hunted.

 
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The end was a little barn scene-ish, but really I don't think that scene will be topped in this show, ever. Shane blowing walkers way, herschel dying inside watching it (hell it drove him to drink), then out comes whats her name all walkered up with Rick popping her. Best few minutes of the entire series by far IMO.
I agree. I don't think they'll ever top that scene but that entire episode was terrific. Watching Shane go through a slow boil until he blew up was really well done. His scene with Dale was also very good. Dale was practically begging Shane to kill him on the spot to prove he was right about the person he had become. Shane had enough inner strength not to do it but it set in motion everything that happened next.

 
I think when the group is learning from their experience is that when they stop moving, they become a stationary target. Either for walkers (Quarry, Herschal's farm,) or marauders (the Prison). Even the Original Terminus was overthrown by marauders before Rick's group got there. When they are on the move, they are more likely the hunters than the hunted.
Isn't that one of the tag lines for this season? If so this would be spot on.

 
packersfan said:
ghostguy123 said:
The end was a little barn scene-ish, but really I don't think that scene will be topped in this show, ever. Shane blowing walkers way, herschel dying inside watching it (hell it drove him to drink), then out comes whats her name all walkered up with Rick popping her. Best few minutes of the entire series by far IMO.
I agree. I don't think they'll ever top that scene but that entire episode was terrific. Watching Shane go through a slow boil until he blew up was really well done. His scene with Dale was also very good. Dale was practically begging Shane to kill him on the spot to prove he was right about the person he had become. Shane had enough inner strength not to do it but it set in motion everything that happened next.
Hard to believe but I miss Dale being annoying.

 
I think they ultimately will always be on the lookout for a safe place that they can build their version of a community. Constantly being on the move isn't sustainable in the long term. I'm not sure that a community will ever be entirely sustainable either, but I think they have to search for something that has the potential to last.

 
I don't think anyone from the hospital came with them, other than Noah. Why would they go with some group they don't know, especially since it now seems there is a new leadership in the hospital, and things just might be a lot better for them?
"Now maybe I'll only get raped once a day!"

/Women at the hospital

 
I think they ultimately will always be on the lookout for a safe place that they can build their version of a community. Constantly being on the move isn't sustainable in the long term. I'm not sure that a community will ever be entirely sustainable either, but I think they have to search for something that has the potential to last.
Well, it they would go find an island, like we all have suggested, they would be fine. But no, let's stay in the vicinity of downtown Atlanta.

 
yeah, my only emotional connection to beth was the future 3 way with her, Maggie and Rosita. now they'll have to use the lesbo

 
I don't think anyone from the hospital came with them, other than Noah. Why would they go with some group they don't know, especially since it now seems there is a new leadership in the hospital, and things just might be a lot better for them?
"Now maybe I'll only get raped once a day!"

/Women at the hospital
New leader and what appeared to be the biggest rapers are dead.
 
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I think they ultimately will always be on the lookout for a safe place that they can build their version of a community. Constantly being on the move isn't sustainable in the long term. I'm not sure that a community will ever be entirely sustainable either, but I think they have to search for something that has the potential to last.
Well, it they would go find an island, like we all have suggested, they would be fine. But no, let's stay in the vicinity of downtown Atlanta.
Well they had the prison, and since that went to #### they havent all been together to even discuss it. And till now the plan was to get to washingtonPlus if a prison wasnt safe why would an island be safe?

 
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yeah, my only emotional connection to beth was the future 3 way with her, Maggie and Rosita. now they'll have to use the lesbo
Tara :wub:
tara is a sleeper. they make her look baggy/frumpy in this show but I bet if they cleaned her up, put her in lingerie with some slutty makeup she'd give Maggie a run
I think Alanna Masterson is very hot. She won me over when she was on The Talking Dead last season. Been seriously smitten ever since.

 
The only logical way to settle this is to put both of them in bikinis and have them wrestle.

Anyone got any connections at AMC who can make this happen? We have a few months to kill before the show comes back.

 
Disco Stu said:
It was nice of Rick and crew to avoid completely destroying a functioning society for once.
:confused:

Although I give them credit for being so fortified. Haven't seen anything that locked down since Woodbury.

 

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