Peterson charged with reckless or negligent injury to a child? (3 Viewers)

[tone1oc]

Avery, you have made that same point about 10 times. We get that you are uber-meta and see things in so many shades of grey that you couldn't possibly tell right from wrong. You are above judgement, because you are above logic and reason.

 

[Avery]

Avery, you have made that same point about 10 times. We get that you are uber-meta and see things in so many shades of grey that you couldn't possibly tell right from wrong. You are above judgement, because you are above logic and reason.

Ok, strawman.

We get your point too. You know "bad" when you see it and everything "Peterson" is bad. He is bad. His charity is bad. People who don't think like you do equates to them supporting child abuse. You've made that clear

As I said before, I abhor child abuse. I have people close to me that have been victims. I see that as flat out wrong. Just because I like to see some degree of due process and investigation before penalty doesn't make me pro child abuse or not wanting to see the abuser appropriately punished at the end of the day.

I think there ought to be a whole lot more "reason and logic" than "judgement" in most things. I think it's sad that you see that as an insult. I guess that makes me "uber-meta"... whatever that means, Hoss.

 

[chinawildman]

If you want to make your arguments advocating child abuse, at least have the honesty to say you believe in child abuse. Otherwise, you're hiding behind buzzwords like imperialism and assimilation to manufacture a rationale to support physical abuse of black four-year-old children in every bit the same way the South argued for the right to own slaves and worse, supported lynching. This was the essence behind The War Against Northern Aggression, after all.

Of all the "fearsome" posts I've read in this thread, this sir, absolutely takes the cake. Well done.

Tell me, does it comfort you to call me a "child abuse advocate" and somehow associate my deference for cultural differences with slavery and lynching? Maybe drum up some more fear words like rapist or wifebeater while you're at it and somehow tie that in too to help you sleep better knowing you're fighting the good fight huh? My goodness, just reading your post gave me the chills, I sound like such an evil doer.

This whole us vs. them world that you live in sounds so exciting... I would love to be a part of that, ridding society of them thar' deeeemons... oh wait but I just realized I'm one of them. Shucks.

 

[chinawildman]

The culture thing that folks here like chinawildman and dparker support is, in large part, what held up racism, segregation, and even lynching. You know, let people do what they want to do. Don't judge. It's disgusting views that like this that eventually will evolve with education, reason, and humanity, all of which are absent in the commentary by a small minority of posters who are doing their very best to advocate for child abuse.

Ignoring that culture thing, is in large part, responsible for imperialism, assimilation, and many cases of failed foreign aid where activists left communities they wanted to help in shambles because they felt like "knew better". You know, tell people what they SHOULD be doing. Judge. Paternalistic views like this will eventually die when pseudo-intellectuals stop thinking that they have all the answers to problems they are not qualified to solve.

Please don't pretend that education, reason, and humanity are somehow exclusive to your side of the argument, they're simply buzzwords that get you nowhere. It's obvious we're all well-spoken people who possess the ability to reason.

the issue is that its not a cultural thing...its a socio economic thing.

I wish people would stop saying its apart of black culture...its nonsense.

its more of a poor undereducated thing.

Im black, and didnt get beat as a kid. And I know others that didnt.

I would argue that it's also somewhat of a "southern" thing, which makes it a bit of a cultural thing.

 

[dparker713]

The culture thing that folks here like chinawildman and dparker support is, in large part, what held up racism, segregation, and even lynching. You know, let people do what they want to do. Don't judge. It's disgusting views that like this that eventually will evolve with education, reason, and humanity, all of which are absent in the commentary by a small minority of posters who are doing their very best to advocate for child abuse.

Ignoring that culture thing, is in large part, responsible for imperialism, assimilation, and many cases of failed foreign aid where activists left communities they wanted to help in shambles because they felt like "knew better". You know, tell people what they SHOULD be doing. Judge. Paternalistic views like this will eventually die when pseudo-intellectuals stop thinking that they have all the answers to problems they are not qualified to solve.

Please don't pretend that education, reason, and humanity are somehow exclusive to your side of the argument, they're simply buzzwords that get you nowhere. It's obvious we're all well-spoken people who possess the ability to reason.

Being well-spoken is not a proxy for being well-reasoned or well-informed or humane.

If you want to make your arguments advocating child abuse, at least have the honesty to say you believe in child abuse. Otherwise, you're hiding behind buzzwords like imperialism and assimilation to manufacture a rationale to support physical abuse of black four-year-old children in every bit the same way the South argued for the right to own slaves and worse, supported lynching. This was the essence behind The War Against Northern Aggression, after all.

You are quite the sanctimonious SOB.

 

[Neofight]

The culture thing that folks here like chinawildman and dparker support is, in large part, what held up racism, segregation, and even lynching. You know, let people do what they want to do. Don't judge. It's disgusting views that like this that eventually will evolve with education, reason, and humanity, all of which are absent in the commentary by a small minority of posters who are doing their very best to advocate for child abuse.

Ignoring that culture thing, is in large part, responsible for imperialism, assimilation, and many cases of failed foreign aid where activists left communities they wanted to help in shambles because they felt like "knew better". You know, tell people what they SHOULD be doing. Judge. Paternalistic views like this will eventually die when pseudo-intellectuals stop thinking that they have all the answers to problems they are not qualified to solve.

Please don't pretend that education, reason, and humanity are somehow exclusive to your side of the argument, they're simply buzzwords that get you nowhere. It's obvious we're all well-spoken people who possess the ability to reason.

Um, do I really need to say it?

 

[chinawildman]

Um, do I really need to say it?

take lessons, tone1oc.

 

[Neofight]

That Adrian Peterson, such a charitable fellow.. what a guy

Outside the Lines examined IRS forms for Peterson's charity for the years 2008 through 2011 and found discrepancies between the All Day Foundation's stated mission of helping at-risk children and where much of its grants landed.

For the foundation's first four years, 2008 through 2011, its single largest beneficiary was Straight From The Heart Ministries (a ministry devoted to opposing gay rights) . More than 50 percent ($207,081 out of $414,130 in grants) was given by the All Day Foundation to Straight From The Heart. More recent IRS forms were not available for review.

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/11540237/status-adrian-peterson-charity-foundation-unclear?addata=module-b

Well this was unexpected.

 

[fatness]

That Adrian Peterson, such a charitable fellow.. what a guy

Outside the Lines examined IRS forms for Peterson's charity for the years 2008 through 2011 and found discrepancies between the All Day Foundation's stated mission of helping at-risk children and where much of its grants landed.

For the foundation's first four years, 2008 through 2011, its single largest beneficiary was Straight From The Heart Ministries (a ministry devoted to opposing gay rights) . More than 50 percent ($207,081 out of $414,130 in grants) was given by the All Day Foundation to Straight From The Heart. More recent IRS forms were not available for review.

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/11540237/status-adrian-peterson-charity-foundation-unclear?addata=module-b

new page bump

I'm not getting the bolded from the site:

http://www.sfthband.com/

Here you go. This is about Reggie White

He pointedly rejected the idea of civil rights protections for gays and lesbians, which Wisconsin in 1982 was the first U.S. state to enact claiming to be "offended" by any comparison of Gay rights to Civil Rights. Afterwards, White was utterly unapologetic saying that if anyone found his remarks offensive, "that was their problem."

In the brouhaha that followed, CBS sports withdrew their contract offer to become a pre-game show announcer after his retirement. White and his wife Sara, on the television show 20/20, blamed this on "sodomites" within and outside the network.

White continued to speak out against Gays and Lesbians, and in doing so, allied himself with a rogue’s gallery of bigots and hate mongers. His "family spokesman" became a man named Bill Horn, president of the vociferously anti-gay organization "Straight from the Heart Ministries".

Soon White was getting support, well-wishes and speaking engagements from the likes of the Rev. Donald Wildmon’s American Family Association (AFA), Gary Bauer’s Family Research Council, and the Christian Coalition. Unlike Bauer who resembles a Kermit the Frog Shrinky Dink, White could actually articulate the "Pro-Family agenda" equating Gays with child molesters and drug addicts, while not making the audience nauseas. His Blackness was also a plus for near all-white groups trying to shake accusations that their anti-Gay "pro-family" agenda was a kissing cousin to both racist and white supremacist ideas.

White spoke at one rally in Iowa protesting Gov. Tom Vilsack’s executive order banning anti-Gay discrimination in state agencies. "Straight from the Heart’s" Horn said the order "is a big political payoff to the governor’s transvestite and cross-dresser supporters."At the rally, Horn wept as he introduced White to the Crowd, saying "Reggie doesn’t hate homosexuals; he loves them so much he is going to be honest with them and tell them that what they are doing is destructive."

White followed Horn by preaching, "Every black person in America should be offended that a group of people should want the same civil rights because of their sexual orientation." When several gay civil rights advocates attempted to question the speakers they were escorted out by force.

 

[Neofight]

Um, do I really need to say it?

take lessons, tone1oc.

You make me smile (well, your last post had me chuckling, to be honest).

 

[Smack Tripper]

Really dislike politicians trying to force their opinions on private business. And I won't even get into a beer company preaching on morals, that is rich.

Don't forget a sneaker company reliant on paying children a dollar a day while

Honoring joe paterno taking a hard line on things

 

[General Tso]

As if this story couldn't go of the rails any further. Now he is anti-gay.

I was actually starting to feel a little bad for Peterson. Now that I find out he's an ideologue and condemning a way of life that has no impact on his world whatsoever, I have lost any feelings of sadness for the man. He deserves all the scorn and derision that is coming is way.

I'm gonna check out of this debate for now. Like my chicken, it's a little too hot. Feel I sould be spending my time more constructively, like lobbying to have this POS kicked out of the League. Take care fellas. Peace out.

 

[Proust Loves Cake]

If you want to make your arguments advocating child abuse, at least have the honesty to say you believe in child abuse. Otherwise, you're hiding behind buzzwords like imperialism and assimilation to manufacture a rationale to support physical abuse of black four-year-old children in every bit the same way the South argued for the right to own slaves and worse, supported lynching. This was the essence behind The War Against Northern Aggression, after all.

Of all the "fearsome" posts I've read in this thread, this sir, absolutely takes the cake. Well done.

Tell me, does it comfort you to call me a "child abuse advocate" and somehow associate my deference for cultural differences with slavery and lynching? Maybe drum up some more fear words like rapist or wifebeater while you're at it and somehow tie that in too to help you sleep better knowing you're fighting the good fight huh? My goodness, just reading your post gave me the chills, I sound like such an evil doer.

This whole us vs. them world that you live in sounds so exciting... I would love to be a part of that, ridding society of them thar' deeeemons... oh wait but I just realized I'm one of them. Shucks.

It gives me no comfort calling you for what you are. It makes me physically ill. I sleep worse at night, not better, with the shocking awareness that segments of society still exist that are so twisted, they would embrace someone like yourself as elegant spokesperson to articulate their views, whether it be support of individual rights to repress, marginalized, enslave, abuse, torture, lynch others based on tradition, states' rights, individualism, and/or cultural morays. At best, you have remained committed to a brand of moral relativism that consistently and necessarily results in minority suffering at the whim of those with greater stature. At worst, you simply are extolling the worst brand of inhumanity and cynicism to advocate heinous abuse crimes against defenseless children. Your posts are a chilling reminder of how little was accomplished with respect to human rights and all the work I, along with my colleagues, fight so tirelessly in our day jobs to help kids break free from the chains of abuse. Your writings on this topic make me reflect on how much failure our efforts have been to save kids who need saving. If grown adults are deliberately blind or agnostic to the impact abuse can have on children, and worse, justify it on the flimsy principle that it's just done that way, we carve our kids up, so what?, get off my lawn, well...I feel like a personal failure in what do. I have been insulated too much, it seems. Derived false hope from my sphere of influence and deluded myself into thinking I done some good for these kids. Your callous posts in response to a case of obvious child abuse, along with a few others, make depressingly clear how much harder I have to work to keep kids safe from abuse. That is work I will continue to do. But, when a disgusting brand of denial, contained in your writings among others, urges people to look away, ignore reality, return to the safety zone of moral relativism that is malleable until such time you hold the switch or the noose or the gun and justify your deeds based on cultural norms, that is one of the most frightening prospects I can imagine facing. Why? Because logic, reason, and humanity are impotent to the abuse-supporting narrative authored by those who base their ignorance and bigotry on an ugly brand of in-bred groupthink.

 

[Koya]

I should have accepted the offer

 

[tone1oc]

Really dislike politicians trying to force their opinions on private business. And I won't even get into a beer company preaching on morals, that is rich.

Don't forget a sneaker company reliant on paying children a dollar a day while

Honoring joe paterno taking a hard line on things

Can we got more examples of completely unrelated ills in the world? it is silly to think but you are essentially advocating for these companies to not be more responsible because they aren't responsible enough. The people have spoken, which is so American whether you like it or not.

Funny that you should mention Joe Paterno, because its the same type of head in the sand attitude that allowed the atmosphere in which a child rapist could conduct business on a college campus for 15+ years.

 

[Saboo]

Given all the political pressure + pressure from the business world (Anheuser Bush, Pepsi, Visa, McDonalds etc..) I just don't see how the NFL lets AP take the field this week. What a nightmare for Roger Goddel

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

The culture thing that folks here like chinawildman and dparker support is, in large part, what held up racism, segregation, and even lynching. You know, let people do what they want to do. Don't judge. It's disgusting views that like this that eventually will evolve with education, reason, and humanity, all of which are absent in the commentary by a small minority of posters who are doing their very best to advocate for child abuse.

Ignoring that culture thing, is in large part, responsible for imperialism, assimilation, and many cases of failed foreign aid where activists left communities they wanted to help in shambles because they felt like "knew better". You know, tell people what they SHOULD be doing. Judge. Paternalistic views like this will eventually die when pseudo-intellectuals stop thinking that they have all the answers to problems they are not qualified to solve.

Please don't pretend that education, reason, and humanity are somehow exclusive to your side of the argument, they're simply buzzwords that get you nowhere. It's obvious we're all well-spoken people who possess the ability to reason.

the issue is that its not a cultural thing...its a socio economic thing.

I wish people would stop saying its apart of black culture...its nonsense.

its more of a poor undereducated thing.

Im black, and didnt get beat as a kid. And I know others that didnt.

waiting for the indignant poor undereducated dudes to weigh in....

 

[tone1oc]

@JayGlazer Vikings have placed Adrian Peterson on Commissioner's exempt list, meaning he's shelved until further notice
They finally got it right. Better late than never.

 

[Raider Nation]

Peterson is barred from all team activities.

Full statement.

 

[rocketsauce]

And the mob wins out.

 

[Raider Nation]

And the mob wins out.

The mob is right sometimes.

 

[tone1oc]

The Mob = Freedom of Speech/Assembly

God Bless America!

 

[PatsWillWin]

So seems pretty clear now that Adrian will not see the field again until the legal process is complete, and only then, depending on the outcome. What are the chances things come together this season? Seems unlikely, no?

 

[rocketsauce]

So seems pretty clear now that Adrian will not see the field again until the legal process is complete, and only then, depending on the outcome. What are the chances things come together this season? Seems unlikely, no?

I believe I read the other day that his first court date is set for October 8th. No clue if there is any chance of resolution at that point. Even if he pleads out, THEN he'd probably face a 6 game suspension for domestic violence, I'd wager to guess.

 

[tone1oc]

I read on twitter last night that the docket is slow in MN TX, not unusual to take 12-18 months in such cases. I'm sure that he and his lawyers will work to resolve as quickly as possible.

 

[placebo]

The case is in Texas.

 

[rocketsauce]

This sets a horrible precedent going forward for the NFL, it's teams, and it's players. Peterson was accused and indicted of a crime, and has yet to go to trial for this crime. The media, the NFL's sponsors, and local government have forced the Vikings hand and spared the NFL from having to take the responsibility of making a decision. The NFL never even issued a statement!

What happens to the next accusation on a player? Does he get barred from team activities as well?

 

[tone1oc]

This sets a horrible precedent going forward for the NFL, it's teams, and it's players. Peterson was accused and indicted of a crime, and has yet to go to trial for this crime. The media, the NFL's sponsors, and local government have forced the Vikings hand and spared the NFL from having to take the responsibility of making a decision. The NFL never even issued a statement!

What happens to the next accusation on a player? Does he get barred from team activities as well?

Sets a horrible precedent for what? That child abusers can't play in the NFL?

The next player will be barred as well provided there is enough public information and the crime is severe enough. I swear some of you act like they are going to start suspending people jaywalking.

 

[Raider Nation]

What happens to the next accusation on a player? Does he get barred from team activities as well?

We're not talking about impaired driving or assault on an adult, which are unfortunate yet forgivable offenses for most people. Child abuse is a very personal issue to folks, especially those with children. All of those bigwig sponsors who are running for the hills -- they have children. Peterson could have committed a bunch of crimes and still fastened the chinstrap. This wasn't one of them.

 

[rocketsauce]

The organization and the league didn't make this decision. Sure, the Vikings did after the fact - after their sponsors spoke up, after ESPN buried them, after the big NFL sponsors spooked them and the league. THAT is what made this decision. Because the public and the media felt so strongly about the charges against Peterson. What happens when the general public and media feels strongly about another issue? I don't like where this can lead us in the future.

Should the Vikings have seen this coming and made the decision to begin with? Probably. That would be different though.

 

[tone1oc]

The organization and the league didn't make this decision. Sure, the Vikings did after the fact - after their sponsors spoke up, after ESPN buried them, after the big NFL sponsors spooked them and the league. THAT is what made this decision. Because the public and the media felt so strongly about the charges against Peterson. What happens when the general public and media feels strongly about another issue? I don't like where this can lead us in the future.

Should the Vikings have seen this coming and made the decision to begin with? Probably. That would be different though.

Consumer's voice was heard. This is how is how free market capitalist society works. Public pressure made them act and that is beautiful thing.

What kind of things are you worried about? Please name some of these hypotheticals that this sets a horrible precedent for.

 

[rocketsauce]

The organization and the league didn't make this decision. Sure, the Vikings did after the fact - after their sponsors spoke up, after ESPN buried them, after the big NFL sponsors spooked them and the league. THAT is what made this decision. Because the public and the media felt so strongly about the charges against Peterson. What happens when the general public and media feels strongly about another issue? I don't like where this can lead us in the future.

Should the Vikings have seen this coming and made the decision to begin with? Probably. That would be different though.

Consumer's voice was heard. This is how is how free market capitalist society works. Public pressure made them act and that is beautiful thing.

What kind of things are you worried about? Please name some of these hypotheticals that this sets a horrible precedent for.

Something to do with religious freedoms maybe? This general public/media/consumer is usually a very christian majority. While this is a hypothetical, it is something that creeped into my mind.

Or what about a gay player like Michael Sam? If the Rams sponsors had started pulling deals, would they have cut him? Thankfully this is an issue we've made huge progress on and don't have to worry about something like this, but the religious aspect is something that does worry me.

 

[tone1oc]

The organization and the league didn't make this decision. Sure, the Vikings did after the fact - after their sponsors spoke up, after ESPN buried them, after the big NFL sponsors spooked them and the league. THAT is what made this decision. Because the public and the media felt so strongly about the charges against Peterson. What happens when the general public and media feels strongly about another issue? I don't like where this can lead us in the future.

Should the Vikings have seen this coming and made the decision to begin with? Probably. That would be different though.

Consumer's voice was heard. This is how is how free market capitalist society works. Public pressure made them act and that is beautiful thing.

What kind of things are you worried about? Please name some of these hypotheticals that this sets a horrible precedent for.

Something to do with religious freedoms maybe? This general public/media/consumer is usually a very christian majority. While this is a hypothetical, it is something that creeped into my mind.

Or what about a gay player like Michael Sam? If the Rams sponsors had started pulling deals, would they have cut him? Thankfully this is an issue we've made huge progress on and don't have to worry about something like this, but the religious aspect is something that does worry me.

Based on the other thread its obvious you choose to create this false world in which child abuse is a religious freedom just so that your fantasy team will not suffer. You are sick in the head.

Also in your made up world, NFL sponsors and the public have a problem with gay people. Perhaps you have some latent feelings that are bubbling to the top?

 

[chinawildman]

It gives me no comfort calling you for what you are. It makes me physically ill. I sleep worse at night, not better, with the shocking awareness that segments of society still exist that are so twisted, they would embrace someone like yourself as elegant spokesperson to articulate their views, whether it be support of individual rights to repress, marginalized, enslave, abuse, torture, lynch others based on tradition, states' rights, individualism, and/or cultural morays. At best, you have remained committed to a brand of moral relativism that consistently and necessarily results in minority suffering at the whim of those with greater stature. At worst, you simply are extolling the worst brand of inhumanity and cynicism to advocate heinous abuse crimes against defenseless children.Your posts are a chilling reminder of how little was accomplished with respect to human rights and all the work I, along with my colleagues, fight so tirelessly in our day jobs to help kids break free from the chains of abuse. Your writings on this topic make me reflect on how much failure our efforts have been to save kids who need saving. If grown adults are deliberately blind or agnostic to the impact abuse can have on children, and worse, justify it on the flimsy principle that it's just done that way, we carve our kids up, so what?, get off my lawn, well...I feel like a personal failure in what do. I have been insulated too much, it seems. Derived false hope from my sphere of influence and deluded myself into thinking I done some good for these kids. Your callous posts in response to a case of obvious child abuse, along with a few others, make depressingly clear how much harder I have to work to keep kids safe from abuse. That is work I will continue to do. But, when a disgusting brand of denial, contained in your writings among others, urges people to look away, ignore reality, return to the safety zone of moral relativism that is malleable until such time you hold the switch or the noose or the gun and justify your deeds based on cultural norms, that is one of the most frightening prospects I can imagine facing. Why? Because logic, reason, and humanity are impotent to the abuse-supporting narrative authored by those who base their ignorance and bigotry on an ugly brand of in-bred groupthink.

Let me start by saying that while we obviously live on opposite ends of this argument, I appreciate your candor and meticulous response. My wife had previously volunteered at a children's shelter, and based upon her experience, I have tremendous respect for the efforts of anyone dedicated to social work for children.

I am neither the heartless cynic you brand me for, nor am I the white knight of reason that I aspire to be. However, if for at least a couple of minutes we can shed these labels for those that share disparate perspectives from ourselves, then progress can actually... progress. I have nothing to gain from belittling your beliefs and consquently could care less about being right, than I do about "rights" themselves. You say you work toward human rights... some common ground, let us begin there.

Funny thing about rights, the more of it we have, the less of it those around us get. This is even more true for child vs. parental rights (Believe it or not I am actually against the parental rights doctrine). I have no doubt where you stand on this continuum, yet I believe you've prematurely placed me on the opposite end. Yes, Adrian Peterson likely committed a terrible crime. However is he, as a result of his actions, deserving of subhuman labels like "animal", and no longer worthy of the same human rights which you work toward? In focusing our empathy on the fight for a voiceless child, have we in turn ignored the rights of the mother as a parent, Peterson's right to a fair trial, and all of their rights to privacy as a family? Consider me callous if you must, but I am not partial to any one particular right for any one particular person by virtue of solicitude. I am but one voice in a minority that maintains concern for the rights of all parties involved in this tragedy.

You seem wary of moral relavitism, justifiably so, for its laissez-faire approach to a downtrodden minority. And perhaps you've encountered its use on more than one occasion as an excuse or backdrop for ulterior motives. However you will excuse me if I think you're perhaps being a bit paranoid in chracterizing me as some elitist or separatist villain. I believe in moral relativism mostly because I was raised in two contrasting cultures. I moved to the United States when I was eight years old. Up until then I was educated in what was then a very communist mainland China. (I could go on some tangent about corporal discipline in China but that's another debate for another time). Growing up around two distinct cultures raised enough questions for me that when the time came to debate my own cultural identity the answer was no longer one of right or wrong. Times change, cultures evolve and devolve, and IMHO life's too short to just take a stand and never budge. For each blight moral relativism was responsible for in our brief history, moral objectivism likely had a hand in something equally abhorrent. Personally I believe people are more apt to correct their wrongs through making and then correcting their own mistakes as opposed to being told what to do. The hands of time cannot be forced, and I'm unsure whether that stance troubles you.

Regardless, I hope future conversations in this thread can do with a little less labeling, shaming, and branding. I no doubt have committed some of these offenses myself so I will save others the bother of calling me a hypocrite. I do look forward to your response. Salut.

 

[zilladog]

Guys....its a fantasy football message board.

Just saying.

 

[rocketsauce]

The organization and the league didn't make this decision. Sure, the Vikings did after the fact - after their sponsors spoke up, after ESPN buried them, after the big NFL sponsors spooked them and the league. THAT is what made this decision. Because the public and the media felt so strongly about the charges against Peterson. What happens when the general public and media feels strongly about another issue? I don't like where this can lead us in the future.

Should the Vikings have seen this coming and made the decision to begin with? Probably. That would be different though.

Consumer's voice was heard. This is how is how free market capitalist society works. Public pressure made them act and that is beautiful thing.

What kind of things are you worried about? Please name some of these hypotheticals that this sets a horrible precedent for.

Something to do with religious freedoms maybe? This general public/media/consumer is usually a very christian majority. While this is a hypothetical, it is something that creeped into my mind.

Or what about a gay player like Michael Sam? If the Rams sponsors had started pulling deals, would they have cut him? Thankfully this is an issue we've made huge progress on and don't have to worry about something like this, but the religious aspect is something that does worry me.

Based on the other thread its obvious you choose to create this false world in which child abuse is a religious freedom just so that your fantasy team will not suffer. You are sick in the head.

Also in your made up world, NFL sponsors and the public have a problem with gay people. Perhaps you have some latent feelings that are bubbling to the top?

I'm not saying anything about child abuse being a religious freedom. You asked about hypothetical situations that I think could be impacted in a similar way by the media and general public outcry. I gave you some. I thought there was an honest discussion going on here, but at this point you're content just to troll and dirty up the Shark Pool, so I will opt out/take it to private messages.

 

[Daywalker]

So if you're AP are you pleading to a lesser charge asap and hoping for a 4-6 games suspension?

 

[One]

The Vikings announced early Wednesday morning that they're placing Adrian Peterson on the Exempt/Commissioner's Permission list, requiring the running back to stay away from the team until further notice.

There's no mandatory length of stay on the list, but the Vikings indicated that Peterson would remain there "until the legal proceedings are resolved." Clearly, that suggests it'll be more than a one- or two-week matter. Instead, it now seems Matt Asiata could be the Vikings' starting running back for the long haul, and he should be picked up in all formats.

 

[SameSongNDance]

And after all that, the MIN organization will forever be remembered as a bunch of raging ##### bags.

 

[RUSF18]

"We also feel strongly as an organization that this is disciplining a child"

Amazing that Spielman was actually dumb enough to say these words.

 

[cvnpoka]

What is it sad that Adrian Peterson may lose his job because he beat his child(ren)?

ya guys, pls dont be too hard on the guy with a "whoopin room" who beats his kid bc hes "not crying enough."

 

[Alonzo Mosely]

The organization and the league didn't make this decision. Sure, the Vikings did after the fact - after their sponsors spoke up, after ESPN buried them, after the big NFL sponsors spooked them and the league. THAT is what made this decision. Because the public and the media felt so strongly about the charges against Peterson. What happens when the general public and media feels strongly about another issue? I don't like where this can lead us in the future.

Should the Vikings have seen this coming and made the decision to begin with? Probably. That would be different though.

Consumer's voice was heard. This is how is how free market capitalist society works. Public pressure made them act and that is beautiful thing.

What kind of things are you worried about? Please name some of these hypotheticals that this sets a horrible precedent for.

What society are you referring to?

 

[Alonzo Mosely]

The organization and the league didn't make this decision. Sure, the Vikings did after the fact - after their sponsors spoke up, after ESPN buried them, after the big NFL sponsors spooked them and the league. THAT is what made this decision. Because the public and the media felt so strongly about the charges against Peterson. What happens when the general public and media feels strongly about another issue? I don't like where this can lead us in the future.

Should the Vikings have seen this coming and made the decision to begin with? Probably. That would be different though.

Consumer's voice was heard. This is how is how free market capitalist society works. Public pressure made them act and that is beautiful thing.

What kind of things are you worried about? Please name some of these hypotheticals that this sets a horrible precedent for.

Something to do with religious freedoms maybe? This general public/media/consumer is usually a very christian majority. While this is a hypothetical, it is something that creeped into my mind.

Or what about a gay player like Michael Sam? If the Rams sponsors had started pulling deals, would they have cut him? Thankfully this is an issue we've made huge progress on and don't have to worry about something like this, but the religious aspect is something that does worry me.

We really should all write are Representatives to get out in front of this and pass a constitutional amendment guaranteeing religious freedom.

 

[Alonzo Mosely]

Really dislike politicians trying to force their opinions on private business. And I won't even get into a beer company preaching on morals, that is rich.

We need to get back to businesses forcing their opinions on politicians ASAP. What is this world coming to?

 

[tone1oc]

What society are you referring to?

Ours

 

[SameSongNDance]

"We also feel strongly as an organization that this is disciplining a child"

Amazing that Spielman was actually dumb enough to say these words.

I still cannot get over how poorly they handled everything. I'm so going to have to rewatch the Spielman presser.

 

[tone1oc]

"We also feel strongly as an organization that this is disciplining a child"

Amazing that Spielman was actually dumb enough to say these words.

I still cannot get over how poorly they handled everything. I'm so going to have to rewatch the Spielman presser.

Its painful to watch, I felt bad for Spielman.. I got the feeling at times he wanted to just say to press "please! give me a ****ing break here, I don't really believe this"

He should of never had to do that and had to tow the company line.

 

[dparker713]

If you want to make your arguments advocating child abuse, at least have the honesty to say you believe in child abuse. Otherwise, you're hiding behind buzzwords like imperialism and assimilation to manufacture a rationale to support physical abuse of black four-year-old children in every bit the same way the South argued for the right to own slaves and worse, supported lynching. This was the essence behind The War Against Northern Aggression, after all.

Of all the "fearsome" posts I've read in this thread, this sir, absolutely takes the cake. Well done.

Tell me, does it comfort you to call me a "child abuse advocate" and somehow associate my deference for cultural differences with slavery and lynching? Maybe drum up some more fear words like rapist or wifebeater while you're at it and somehow tie that in too to help you sleep better knowing you're fighting the good fight huh? My goodness, just reading your post gave me the chills, I sound like such an evil doer.

This whole us vs. them world that you live in sounds so exciting... I would love to be a part of that, ridding society of them thar' deeeemons... oh wait but I just realized I'm one of them. Shucks.

It gives me no comfort calling you for what you are. It makes me physically ill. I sleep worse at night, not better, with the shocking awareness that segments of society still exist that are so twisted, they would embrace someone like yourself as elegant spokesperson to articulate their views, whether it be support of individual rights to repress, marginalized, enslave, abuse, torture, lynch others based on tradition, states' rights, individualism, and/or cultural morays. At best, you have remained committed to a brand of moral relativism that consistently and necessarily results in minority suffering at the whim of those with greater stature. At worst, you simply are extolling the worst brand of inhumanity and cynicism to advocate heinous abuse crimes against defenseless children.Your posts are a chilling reminder of how little was accomplished with respect to human rights and all the work I, along with my colleagues, fight so tirelessly in our day jobs to help kids break free from the chains of abuse. Your writings on this topic make me reflect on how much failure our efforts have been to save kids who need saving. If grown adults are deliberately blind or agnostic to the impact abuse can have on children, and worse, justify it on the flimsy principle that it's just done that way, we carve our kids up, so what?, get off my lawn, well...I feel like a personal failure in what do. I have been insulated too much, it seems. Derived false hope from my sphere of influence and deluded myself into thinking I done some good for these kids. Your callous posts in response to a case of obvious child abuse, along with a few others, make depressingly clear how much harder I have to work to keep kids safe from abuse. That is work I will continue to do. But, when a disgusting brand of denial, contained in your writings among others, urges people to look away, ignore reality, return to the safety zone of moral relativism that is malleable until such time you hold the switch or the noose or the gun and justify your deeds based on cultural norms, that is one of the most frightening prospects I can imagine facing. Why? Because logic, reason, and humanity are impotent to the abuse-supporting narrative authored by those who base their ignorance and bigotry on an ugly brand of in-bred groupthink.

Got to say, this gives me the warm and fuzzies.

 

[dparker713]

Really dislike politicians trying to force their opinions on private business. And I won't even get into a beer company preaching on morals, that is rich.

Don't forget a sneaker company reliant on paying children a dollar a day while

Honoring joe paterno taking a hard line on things

Can we got more examples of completely unrelated ills in the world? it is silly to think but you are essentially advocating for these companies to not be more responsible because they aren't responsible enough. The people have spoken, which is so American whether you like it or not.

Funny that you should mention Joe Paterno, because its the same type of head in the sand attitude that allowed the atmosphere in which a child rapist could conduct business on a college campus for 15+ years.

Yes, the twitteratti have spoken, i.e. rich white people.

 

[dparker713]

And the mob wins out.

The mob is right sometimes.

Less often than a broken clock.