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Peyton Manning Criticizes The Colts' Running Game (1 Viewer)

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Sorry no link on this but I'll try to find one. Anyway, it's hard to argue with what Manning is saying. Addai and the Colts' ground game has been a disaster so far.

"I wouldn't think defenses would be biting too hard on our run fakes right now. Even if I hand off, it's not going anywhere.''

 
Sorry no link on this but I'll try to find one. Anyway, it's hard to argue with what Manning is saying. Addai and the Colts' ground game has been a disaster so far.

"I wouldn't think defenses would be biting too hard on our run fakes right now. Even if I hand off, it's not going anywhere.''
He also said that they needed to get Addai the ball more... so I don't think it's Addai he's placing 100% of the blame on...Hand the ball to Addai

In my mind, that's not really on Addai. He's just not getting enough touches, something Peyton Manning alluded to last week. That's a lack-of-opportunity problem, and he has had to run recently behind a battered and reconfigured offensive line.
 
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Slightly off topic, but who beyond Jeff Saturday is out for the Colts along the O-Line? They have looked below average both in the run game and pass protection so far.

Is Saturday that much of a player to make this offense one of the best in the league when he's in there to a middle of the pack group when he's not?

 
He's great and all, but that doesn't give him the right to criticize his teammates to the extent that he seems to. The fact that he does it in a subtle manner doesn't make it any better, in fact I'd say it makes it worse. I'd like to see Wayne or Harrison say something like, "It doesn't really matter if the other team's coverage sucks, even if I'm open the ball still sails just wide of my grasp."

 
Slightly off topic, but who beyond Jeff Saturday is out for the Colts along the O-Line? They have looked below average both in the run game and pass protection so far. Is Saturday that much of a player to make this offense one of the best in the league when he's in there to a middle of the pack group when he's not?
Peter king in his MMQB article talked about the Colts having 4 linemen down in the game against the Vikes. Any homers out there that can confirm or deny this?
 
Sorry no link on this but I'll try to find one. Anyway, it's hard to argue with what Manning is saying. Addai and the Colts' ground game has been a disaster so far."I wouldn't think defenses would be biting too hard on our run fakes right now. Even if I hand off, it's not going anywhere.''
He also said that they needed to get Addai the ball more... so I don't think it's Addai he's placing 100% of the blame on...
Nor should he. But his point is correct that defenses don't have to fear the Colts' ground game right now. Addai looks bad; the line looks bad and that's taking away a big part of what the Colts want to do offensively. It'll be interesting to see how things go this week against the Jags. The Titans struggled to run the ball well early but they kept at it and both Johnson and White ended up with productive games (Johnson over 100 yards/White 59 yards and 1 TD). In Week 1, the Jags held Lynch to 3.1 YPC but he scored. So the Jags have allowed rushing TDs in each game so far. Based on statistical rankings, this is the best matchup the Colts have had against a run defense so far. Can they capitalize on it?
 
He's great and all, but that doesn't give him the right to criticize his teammates to the extent that he seems to. The fact that he does it in a subtle manner doesn't make it any better, in fact I'd say it makes it worse. I'd like to see Wayne or Harrison say something like, "It doesn't really matter if the other team's coverage sucks, even if I'm open the ball still sails just wide of my grasp."
Yea I like Peyton a lot but he does have a history of throwing his teammates under the bus at times. This is one of them. I don't disagree with his comment but like Clinton Portis last week there's no reason to say this publicly even if it's true. It doesn't do anybody any good.
 
Nor should he. But his point is correct that defenses don't have to fear the Colts' ground game right now. Addai looks bad; the line looks bad and that's taking away a big part of what the Colts want to do offensively.
Something of note... Addai has been tackled in the backfield on 7 of his 27 carries so far. Hit behind the line even more than that.
 
Nor should he. But his point is correct that defenses don't have to fear the Colts' ground game right now. Addai looks bad; the line looks bad and that's taking away a big part of what the Colts want to do offensively.
Something of note... Addai has been tackled in the backfield on 7 of his 27 carries so far. Hit behind the line even more than that.
That would speak to my comment about the line looking bad. What are his numbers on the other 20 carries?
 
That would speak to my comment about the line looking bad. What are his numbers on the other 20 carries?
Don't know on which of these touches he was hit before reaching the LOS, but I know at least some, but still...44213247984216201 (TD)076120 carries, 83 yards, 4.1 YPC
 
I thought Peyton calls his own plays, why doesn't he just call more runs? Tom Moore gives him a handful of plays, run and pass, and Peyton picks which ones to run. Please someone correct me if I am wrong.

 
That would speak to my comment about the line looking bad. What are his numbers on the other 20 carries?
Don't know on which of these touches he was hit before reaching the LOS, but I know at least some, but still...44213247984216201 (TD)076120 carries, 83 yards, 4.1 YPC
Thanks for the info. What concerns me about those numbers is that if you remove the TD run (because the most he could have gained on that play was 1 yard), 8 of his other 19 carries have gone for under 4 yards. That's 42% of his runs. So basically you have 26% percent where the line isn't helping him (i.e. the times he's been hit behind the line of scrimmage) and 42% where he's not doing anything or it's a combination of him and his line not doing anything. That's 68% of the time. This is likely what Manning is talking about with his comments.
 
Slightly off topic, but who beyond Jeff Saturday is out for the Colts along the O-Line? They have looked below average both in the run game and pass protection so far. Is Saturday that much of a player to make this offense one of the best in the league when he's in there to a middle of the pack group when he's not?
Peter king in his MMQB article talked about the Colts having 4 linemen down in the game against the Vikes. Any homers out there that can confirm or deny this?
Besides Saturday, starters Ryan Lilja and Tony Ugoh are now injured. Jake Scott left in free agency for the Titans. As a homer, the Colts line is in shambles. Manning and Addai only have late round rookie draft picks undrafted free agents blocking for them.
 
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Slightly off topic, but who beyond Jeff Saturday is out for the Colts along the O-Line? They have looked below average both in the run game and pass protection so far. Is Saturday that much of a player to make this offense one of the best in the league when he's in there to a middle of the pack group when he's not?
Peter king in his MMQB article talked about the Colts having 4 linemen down in the game against the Vikes. Any homers out there that can confirm or deny this?
In the 2 TE set - it is brutal right now. This was the lineup in the 2nd half on SundayTE1 - Gijon Robinson - a 1st year player who was undrafted and was on the practice squad last yearLT - Charlie Johnson - a 3rd year player who was a 6th round pick in 2006. He simply isn't cut out to be a starting LT in this league. LG - Steve Justice - a rookie 6th round pick. C - Jamey Richard - a rookie 7th round pick.RG - Dan Federkeil - a former practice squad player - played some last year, but mostly at tackle. RT - Ryan Diem - the only starter on the line that played in the 2nd halfTE2 - Tom Santi - a rookie 6th round pick. One sack was because he was trying to block Jared Allen one and one (ugh).So - yeah - it isn't just missing Jeff Saturday.
 
I thought Peyton calls his own plays, why doesn't he just call more runs? Tom Moore gives him a handful of plays, run and pass, and Peyton picks which ones to run. Please someone correct me if I am wrong.
I believe he gets two plays to choose from... not always pass/run... sometimes pass/pass.
 
Slightly off topic, but who beyond Jeff Saturday is out for the Colts along the O-Line? They have looked below average both in the run game and pass protection so far. Is Saturday that much of a player to make this offense one of the best in the league when he's in there to a middle of the pack group when he's not?
Peter king in his MMQB article talked about the Colts having 4 linemen down in the game against the Vikes. Any homers out there that can confirm or deny this?
In the 2 TE set - it is brutal right now. This was the lineup in the 2nd half on SundayTE1 - Gijon Robinson - a 1st year player who was undrafted and was on the practice squad last yearLT - Charlie Johnson - a 3rd year player who was a 6th round pick in 2006. He simply isn't cut out to be a starting LT in this league. LG - Steve Justice - a rookie 6th round pick. C - Jamey Richard - a rookie 7th round pick.RG - Dan Federkeil - a former practice squad player - played some last year, but mostly at tackle. RT - Ryan Diem - the only starter on the line that played in the 2nd halfTE2 - Tom Santi - a rookie 6th round pick. One sack was because he was trying to block Jared Allen one and one (ugh).So - yeah - it isn't just missing Jeff Saturday.
Wow. That is ugly. Thanks for the info. All you hear from the typical networks is Jeff Saturday, there is very little discussion on a national stage talking about the rest of the line.
 
Thanks for the info. What concerns me about those numbers is that if you remove the TD run (because the most he could have gained on that play was 1 yard), 8 of his other 19 carries have gone for under 4 yards. That's 42% of his runs. So basically you have 26% percent where the line isn't helping him (i.e. the times he's been hit behind the line of scrimmage) and 42% where he's not doing anything or it's a combination of him and his line not doing anything. That's 68% of the time. This is likely what Manning is talking about with his comments.
No, the 7 times were not the ONLY ones where he was hit behind the LOS, just the ones where he was tackled behind the LOS, there is a difference. On a number of the 0 and 1 yard carries, he was also hit behind the LOS and powered forward either back to the LOS or just past it. If I were to guess, Addai is hit behind the LOS on about 45% of his carries.What's funny, is compare Addai's numbers with this:

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23 of those 34 carries were 4 yards or less, meaning that player isn't doing much on 66% of his carries. Even if you eliminate the 3 where he was tackled in the backfield, that's 20 of 31, still 66% "where he's not doing anything."

And that's a player everyone is touting as the next best thing since sliced bread.

 
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Correct me if my math is wrong but I see 33% of Chris Johnson's carries going for over 4 yards compared to 27% for Addai. So Johnson is giving the Titans a better element in their running game thus far than Addai is providing the Colts (and yes, I realize the Titans' O Line is pretty damn good).

 
Correct me if my math is wrong but I see 33% of Chris Johnson's carries going for over 4 yards compared to 27% for Addai. So Johnson is giving the Titans a better element in their running game thus far than Addai is providing the Colts (and yes, I realize the Titans' O Line is pretty damn good).
7 (13,7,9,8,6,7,6) of Addai's 20 carries were for >4 yards, that's 35%11 (18,11,18,7,7,14,51,9,9,6,14) of Johnson's 33 carries were for >4 yards, that's 33% (if you eliminate his -1 yard runs, it's 11 of 30, or 37%)Nary a difference between the two, except that Johnson is faster and he's broken five runs longer than Addai's longest.Edited because I thought Addai's longest was 14, not 13, so had three instead of five on the Johnson long runs comment.
 
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Correct me if my math is wrong but I see 33% of Chris Johnson's carries going for over 4 yards compared to 27% for Addai. So Johnson is giving the Titans a better element in their running game thus far than Addai is providing the Colts (and yes, I realize the Titans' O Line is pretty damn good).
7 (13,7,9,8,6,7,6) of Addai's 20 carries were for >4 yards, that's 35%11 (18,11,18,7,7,14,51,9,9,6,14) of Johnson's 33 carries were for >4 yards, that's 33% (if you eliminate his -1 yard runs, it's 11 of 30, or 37%)Nary a difference between the two, except that Johnson is faster and he's broken three runs longer than Addai's longest.
I suck at math. :tinfoilhat: OK, so what does it say about Addai that his production is similar to a RB who was drafted as a RB3 in most leagues? I think Johnson is a very good player but if Addai isn't significantly outproducing him than that's clearly a problem. Addai was a Top 5 pick in most leagues this year. Johnson's ADP was nowhere near that.
 
Correct me if my math is wrong but I see 33% of Chris Johnson's carries going for over 4 yards compared to 27% for Addai. So Johnson is giving the Titans a better element in their running game thus far than Addai is providing the Colts (and yes, I realize the Titans' O Line is pretty damn good).
7 (13,7,9,8,6,7,6) of Addai's 20 carries were for >4 yards, that's 35%11 (18,11,18,7,7,14,51,9,9,6,14) of Johnson's 33 carries were for >4 yards, that's 33% (if you eliminate his -1 yard runs, it's 11 of 30, or 37%)

Nary a difference between the two, except that Johnson is faster and he's broken three runs longer than Addai's longest.
I suck at math. :unsure: OK, so what does it say about Addai that his production is similar to a RB who was drafted as a RB3 in most leagues? I think Johnson is a very good player but if Addai isn't significantly outproducing him than that's clearly a problem. Addai was a Top 5 pick in most leagues this year. Johnson's ADP was nowhere near that.
If you want to argue ADP, that's a different story (and it's not what you've been arguing). But if you are trying to argue that Addai is a bad RB (which is what you have been arguing), your argument is very weak, especially considering the OL differences between the two players.Honestly, you could probably pick any RB (try Barber for instance) and their % of >4 yard carries would be about the same as Addai's. Addai has been better than you think this year as an NFL player, but his OL is in shambles. And one other difference is that the first two games of the season so far, defenses have put stopping Addai as their #1 priority and daring Manning to beat them. Other players do face that situation as well, but their OLs aren't as awful as Indy's.

Ground game grinds to a halt

"For the first time since I can remember, it seems like they (defences) are saying beat us with Peyton and Marvin (Harrison)," Rhodes said. "Maybe it's because he missed training camp and hasn't played a lot. But I think the end of that (Minnesota) game will be in a lot people's minds going forward."
 
This just illustrates the fact that Addai is just a pedestrian back who was in a great situation with the Colts. If Thomas Jones would have played in the same circumstances as Addai, both previous years and this year, he would have produced better numbers.

Sorry switz, that's just telling it like it is, there's no denying it now. Everyone can see how he struggles in a mediocre offense.

Addai = mediocre.

 
This just illustrates the fact that Addai is just a pedestrian back who was in a great situation with the Colts. If Thomas Jones would have played in the same circumstances as Addai, both previous years and this year, he would have produced better numbers.

Sorry switz, that's just telling it like it is, there's no denying it now. Everyone can see how he struggles in a mediocre offense.

Addai = mediocre.
:no: I love the hyperbole. And the effort you put to back it up with facts. Really impressive. Could you shine a little more of your outstanding brilliance upon us? Or how about just looking at how TJ did in AZ as support of your argument. How about 3.5 YPC in 3 seasons.

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Let me state again, for people like you who clearly do not understand football at all. When you have no OL it's very difficult to run.

 
This just illustrates the fact that Addai is just a pedestrian back who was in a great situation with the Colts. If Thomas Jones would have played in the same circumstances as Addai, both previous years and this year, he would have produced better numbers.

Sorry switz, that's just telling it like it is, there's no denying it now. Everyone can see how he struggles in a mediocre offense.

Addai = mediocre.
:no: I love the hyperbole. And the effort you put to back it up with facts. Really impressive. Could you shine a little more of your outstanding brilliance upon us? Or how about just looking at how TJ did in AZ as support of your argument. How about 3.5 YPC in 3 seasons.

:shrug:

Let me state again, for people like you who clearly do not understand football at all. When you have no OL it's very difficult to run.
switz,I bring the same type of facts that you bring to all your posts. OPINION only.

If you want to get personal, lets do it. I can insult you just as well, and probably better than you can insult me since you have a long history of being wrong here.

 
switz, I've said repeatedly that I like Addai so I'm not arguing that he's a bad RB. However, I think what we're seeing is that he isn't an extremely gifted RB. He seems to be one of those RBs who needs to have the stars perfectly aligned for him in order to succeed. When that happens, it's wonderful and everyone is happy. But when they aren't, he simply isn't talented enough to make those around him better - which the great RBs do.

I'll go back to Gore. The Niners sucked last year and I think their talent stinks again this year but the guy just puts up numbers. Why? Because he has elite talent in my opinion. He doesn't need a perfect situation in order to excel. Put him on the Colts right now and I'm 100% convinced he'd be doing better than Addai because he's a more talented RB. Same with Barber or a number of other guys.

So my point here isn't that Addai is awful and that he sucks although his production has definitely sucked to start the season. That's a fact. But I still think he'll get better because I think the Colts will get better. However, that isn't going to undo the damage he's caused his fantasy owners in the first two weeks.

 
Correct me if my math is wrong but I see 33% of Chris Johnson's carries going for over 4 yards compared to 27% for Addai. So Johnson is giving the Titans a better element in their running game thus far than Addai is providing the Colts (and yes, I realize the Titans' O Line is pretty damn good).
7 (13,7,9,8,6,7,6) of Addai's 20 carries were for >4 yards, that's 35%11 (18,11,18,7,7,14,51,9,9,6,14) of Johnson's 33 carries were for >4 yards, that's 33% (if you eliminate his -1 yard runs, it's 11 of 30, or 37%)

Nary a difference between the two, except that Johnson is faster and he's broken three runs longer than Addai's longest.
I suck at math. :wolf: OK, so what does it say about Addai that his production is similar to a RB who was drafted as a RB3 in most leagues? I think Johnson is a very good player but if Addai isn't significantly outproducing him than that's clearly a problem. Addai was a Top 5 pick in most leagues this year. Johnson's ADP was nowhere near that.
If you want to argue ADP, that's a different story (and it's not what you've been arguing). But if you are trying to argue that Addai is a bad RB (which is what you have been arguing), your argument is very weak, especially considering the OL differences between the two players.Honestly, you could probably pick any RB (try Barber for instance) and their % of >4 yard carries would be about the same as Addai's. Addai has been better than you think this year as an NFL player, but his OL is in shambles. And one other difference is that the first two games of the season so far, defenses have put stopping Addai as their #1 priority and daring Manning to beat them. Other players do face that situation as well, but their OLs aren't as awful as Indy's.

Ground game grinds to a halt

"For the first time since I can remember, it seems like they (defences) are saying beat us with Peyton and Marvin (Harrison)," Rhodes said. "Maybe it's because he missed training camp and hasn't played a lot. But I think the end of that (Minnesota) game will be in a lot people's minds going forward."
The other factor to take into account is that the Colts have been facing very good run defenses. Minnesota ranked #1 in 2007 and the Chicago defenselooks much improved from the 2007 version.

So bad offensive line+ good run defense= bad results.

 
Jonathan Stewart didn't have any trouble against the Bears - and that was without any semblance of a passing game whatsoever. The Bears loaded up to stop the run and they still couldn't stop Stewart. I wouldn't be surprised to see Earnest Graham have a good game against them this week.

 
This just illustrates the fact that Addai is just a pedestrian back who was in a great situation with the Colts. If Thomas Jones would have played in the same circumstances as Addai, both previous years and this year, he would have produced better numbers.

Sorry switz, that's just telling it like it is, there's no denying it now. Everyone can see how he struggles in a mediocre offense.

Addai = mediocre.
:rolleyes: I love the hyperbole. And the effort you put to back it up with facts. Really impressive. Could you shine a little more of your outstanding brilliance upon us? Or how about just looking at how TJ did in AZ as support of your argument. How about 3.5 YPC in 3 seasons.

:wolf:

Let me state again, for people like you who clearly do not understand football at all. When you have no OL it's very difficult to run.
switz,I bring the same type of facts that you bring to all your posts. OPINION only.
Really? Do you mean opinion by the stats I posted? By the articles I quoted? Which of those is opinion to you? Clearly you don't know the definition of opinion.
If you want to get personal, lets do it. I can insult you just as well, and probably better than you can insult me since you have a long history of being wrong here.
Wrong more than right? Like about what? Go ahead... TRY to show I've been wrong more than right? Onterrio Smith? Career 4.9 YPC who didn't pan out because he was a pot head... but was full of talent. I wasn't wrong there.

Anquan Boldin? Really - you want to go there?

Joseph Addai? Go ahead and look at his stats prior to the OL injuries last season.

Felix Jones? Electrifying runner averaging 6.0 YPC so far, with 2 TDs in 2 games?

Kevan Barlow? He sucked like I said he did.

Clinton Portis? Tore it up like I thought he would.

LT? Awesome as I said he'd be.

MJD? He's certainly had his struggles.

Come on, bring it. And while you're at it, be man enough to make your own predictions and projections for all the world to see.

I'm sure I've been wrong in the past - but not "a long history of being wrong here" - very infrequently.

 
I'll go back to Gore. The Niners sucked last year and I think their talent stinks again this year but the guy just puts up numbers. Why? Because he has elite talent in my opinion. He doesn't need a perfect situation in order to excel. Put him on the Colts right now and I'm 100% convinced he'd be doing better than Addai because he's a more talented RB.
The same Gore that had remarkable similar stats to Addai last year, in very similar situations? Addai had a better QB, Gore had a better line.
Same with Barber or a number of other guys.
Same Barber that averaged 3.5 last night, and a whopping 1.7 YPC in the first half? That the blame gets passed onto a far superior OL?
So my point here isn't that Addai is awful and that he sucks although his production has definitely sucked to start the season. That's a fact. But I still think he'll get better because I think the Colts will get better. However, that isn't going to undo the damage he's caused his fantasy owners in the first two weeks.
Problem is, that many here were saying Addai would struggle the first few weeks, and that was before the rest of the OL injuries popped up.Barber gets a pass for his good OL, but Addai doesn't for his crap that doesn't even deserve to be called an OL? Please. That's so hypocritical ...It's ever more evident that people just see what they want to. If you like a player, blame the OL. If you want to believe a player stinks, then the OL can't be the problem. It's ridiculous. People just don't want to like Addai... it's been obvious since he was drafted. Even when he was doing very well, people were making excuses. Now when he struggles, there can be no reason but "he sucks."It's ok for people to blame Barber's, Jackson's, MJDs, LJ's struggles on their OLs... despite those OLs being much healthier than Addai's... but in Addai's case, he sucks. Can you not see how hypocritical and and absurd that is?
 
This just illustrates the fact that Addai is just a pedestrian back who was in a great situation with the Colts. If Thomas Jones would have played in the same circumstances as Addai, both previous years and this year, he would have produced better numbers.

Sorry switz, that's just telling it like it is, there's no denying it now. Everyone can see how he struggles in a mediocre offense.

Addai = mediocre.
:rolleyes: I love the hyperbole. And the effort you put to back it up with facts. Really impressive. Could you shine a little more of your outstanding brilliance upon us? Or how about just looking at how TJ did in AZ as support of your argument. How about 3.5 YPC in 3 seasons.

:thumbdown:

Let me state again, for people like you who clearly do not understand football at all. When you have no OL it's very difficult to run.
switz,

I bring the same type of facts that you bring to all your posts. OPINION only.
Really? Do you mean opinion by the stats I posted? By the articles I quoted? Which of those is opinion to you? Clearly you don't know the definition of opinion.
If you want to get personal, lets do it. I can insult you just as well, and probably better than you can insult me since you have a long history of being wrong here.
Wrong more than right? Like about what? Go ahead... TRY to show I've been wrong more than right? Onterrio Smith? Career 4.9 YPC who didn't pan out because he was a pot head... but was full of talent. I wasn't wrong there.

Anquan Boldin? Really - you want to go there?

Joseph Addai? Go ahead and look at his stats prior to the OL injuries last season.

Felix Jones? Electrifying runner averaging 6.0 YPC so far, with 2 TDs in 2 games?

Kevan Barlow? He sucked like I said he did.

Clinton Portis? Tore it up like I thought he would.

LT? Awesome as I said he'd be.

MJD? He's certainly had his struggles.

Come on, bring it. And while you're at it, be man enough to make your own predictions and projections for all the world to see.

I'm sure I've been wrong in the past - but not "a long history of being wrong here" - very infrequently.
I'll just do this one 'cause its soooooo easy.MJD has been a top fantasy producing RB since he came into the league, unlike Bush who you defend as tenaciously as Addai. Now at the start of this year his OL is devastated and he is struggling..... along with Fred I might add. I bolded your original response about Addai not being able to run behind a bad OL since you seem to only think that applies to your heroes who can't produce. Any other RB who has the same struggles means they are less talented than your golden boys.

You continually refuse to alter your opinion on players even when the numbers prove you wrong.

As for your "facts", I can post numbers and others peoples OPINION all I want, that doesn't make it fact. Only interpretation of available material.

In politics, its called "spin". I don't spin. I report on what I see and what everyone else sees. Everyone except switz that is.

Now go kick rocks.

 
Jonathan Stewart didn't have any trouble against the Bears - and that was without any semblance of a passing game whatsoever.
Stewart also didn't get a carry until the Bears were up 17-3, and were playing primarily pass defense. Stewart also runs behind a better OL than Addai does.Take things in context.
 
The fact Gore and Addai had similar stats last year speaks to Gore's talent in my opinion. The Niners were a ridiculously awful team. The Colts were a Super Bowl contender. The fact Gore put up the numbers he did despite being the only player with even decent talent on the team speaks volumes about his talent in my opinion and supports the point I've been making that great RBs can produce even if their situations aren't ideal.

As far as Barber, the guy had more rushing yards in last night's game than Addai has had in two games combined. He's a pretty damn good RB in my opinion.

I'm not just seeing what I want to see. The bottom line is he faced one elite run defense and one below-average run defense from a year ago that was gashed by a rookie RB who was playing without a passing game. So you'll forgive me if I'm not jumping on board the Bears' run defense bandwagon given what I saw Stewart do to them. What I want to see is Addai look like the player I believed him to be when I took him fourth ahead of Gore. I'll continue to hold out hope that I will see that player. But after the first two games I have to give consideration to the possibility that I screwed up my first-round pick and quite possibly screwed it up royally. So far that's what appears to have been the case. I just hope Addai will turn things around and restore the faith I had in him.

 
He's great and all, but that doesn't give him the right to criticize his teammates to the extent that he seems to. The fact that he does it in a subtle manner doesn't make it any better, in fact I'd say it makes it worse. I'd like to see Wayne or Harrison say something like, "It doesn't really matter if the other team's coverage sucks, even if I'm open the ball still sails just wide of my grasp."
He's the leader of that team, so yes, he does have that right and should do exactly what he's doing.
 
The same Gore that had remarkable similar stats to Addai last year, in very similar situations? Addai had a better QB, Gore had a better line.

Can you not see how hypocritical and and absurd that is?
Let's see switz. Is this one of your so-called "facts"If 0 pro bowl offensive lineman > 1 pro bowl offensive lineman (Saturday), then OK. How hypocritical are you now with throwing out blatant OPINION and trying to pass it off as "fact" after trying to poo poo my opinion (which I stated as opinion)

Lets just tell it like it is just once. Addai had both a better QB (and better is an understatement here - that everyone can agree with) and a better OL. Addai came into the league with a silver spoon in his mouth.

Go kick some rocks.

 
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MJD has been a top fantasy producing RB since he came into the league, unlike Bush who you defend as tenaciously as Addai. Now at the start of this year his OL is devastated and he is struggling..... along with Fred I might add.
Really? My only comments on MJD have been that as long as Taylor is there, Drew will be the #2 option behind Taylor. Who has more yards this season? Bush or MJD? Between weeks 3 and 14 last season (Bush was out the other games) who had more yards? Bush or MJD. See... it's not a simplistic as you want to make it... nor do you even know my stand on MJD.
I bolded your original response about Addai not being able to run behind a bad OL since you seem to only think that applies to your heroes who can't produce. Any other RB who has the same struggles means they are less talented than your golden boys.
:stalker: So you want to use the OL as a defense for MJD, but not Addai. Wow, you are classic. You contradict yourself within two sentences. :lmao:
As for your "facts", I can post numbers and others peoples OPINION all I want, that doesn't make it fact. Only interpretation of available material.

In politics, its called "spin". I don't spin. I report on what I see and what everyone else sees. Everyone except switz that is.
:lmao: I love how you contradict yourself again, within two sentences. IF there's any spin, that's it, total 180 within two sentences...Please keep the entertainment going... please.

I'm done with you... as I don't want to clutter this thread with a wasted argument with someone who has no foundation for their debate, and can't even keep a straight argument going... :no:

 
The same Gore that had remarkable similar stats to Addai last year, in very similar situations? Addai had a better QB, Gore had a better line.

Can you not see how hypocritical and and absurd that is?
Let's see switz. Is this one of your so-called "facts"If 1 pro bowl offensive lineman > 0 pro bowl offensive lineman, then OK. How hypocritical are you now with throwing out blatant OPINION and trying to pass it off as "fact" after trying to poo poo my opinion (which I stated as opinion)

Lets just tell it like it is just once. Addai had both a better QB (and better is an understatement here - that everyone can agree with) and a better OL. Addai came into the league with a silver spoon in his mouth.

Go kick some rocks.
1 pro bowl lineman does not make a great line.Now go get some facts....

 
The same Gore that had remarkable similar stats to Addai last year, in very similar situations? Addai had a better QB, Gore had a better line.

Can you not see how hypocritical and and absurd that is?
Let's see switz. Is this one of your so-called "facts"If 1 pro bowl offensive lineman > 0 pro bowl offensive lineman, then OK. How hypocritical are you now with throwing out blatant OPINION and trying to pass it off as "fact" after trying to poo poo my opinion (which I stated as opinion)

Lets just tell it like it is just once. Addai had both a better QB (and better is an understatement here - that everyone can agree with) and a better OL. Addai came into the league with a silver spoon in his mouth.

Go kick some rocks.
1 pro bowl lineman does not make a great line.Now go get some facts....
You are a great one for denial switz. You deny, deny and deny some more. You take others statements that show you are a hypocrit and deny again. I think we can see that the only facts that exist in this world are your opinions and everything else is background noise.There is a name for people like you..... Narcissistic ;)

 
Back to some useful info for those that are still contemplating trading for/selling Addai:

Colts placed G Ryan Lilja and LB Tyjuan Hagler on the reserve/PUP list, meaning they are ineligible to play the first six weeks of the season.

 
He's great and all, but that doesn't give him the right to criticize his teammates to the extent that he seems to. The fact that he does it in a subtle manner doesn't make it any better, in fact I'd say it makes it worse. I'd like to see Wayne or Harrison say something like, "It doesn't really matter if the other team's coverage sucks, even if I'm open the ball still sails just wide of my grasp."
He's the leader of that team, so yes, he does have that right and should do exactly what he's doing.
Sorry but I disagree.
 
He's great and all, but that doesn't give him the right to criticize his teammates to the extent that he seems to. The fact that he does it in a subtle manner doesn't make it any better, in fact I'd say it makes it worse. I'd like to see Wayne or Harrison say something like, "It doesn't really matter if the other team's coverage sucks, even if I'm open the ball still sails just wide of my grasp."
He's the leader of that team, so yes, he does have that right and should do exactly what he's doing.
Sorry but I disagree.
Unitas would have done a lot worst to his teammates. So would Norm Van Brocklin. Those guys didn't put up with any BS, LIP, or missed assignments from teammates.
 
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Slightly off topic, but who beyond Jeff Saturday is out for the Colts along the O-Line? They have looked below average both in the run game and pass protection so far. Is Saturday that much of a player to make this offense one of the best in the league when he's in there to a middle of the pack group when he's not?
Peter king in his MMQB article talked about the Colts having 4 linemen down in the game against the Vikes. Any homers out there that can confirm or deny this?
In the 2 TE set - it is brutal right now. This was the lineup in the 2nd half on SundayTE1 - Gijon Robinson - a 1st year player who was undrafted and was on the practice squad last yearLT - Charlie Johnson - a 3rd year player who was a 6th round pick in 2006. He simply isn't cut out to be a starting LT in this league. LG - Steve Justice - a rookie 6th round pick. C - Jamey Richard - a rookie 7th round pick.RG - Dan Federkeil - a former practice squad player - played some last year, but mostly at tackle. RT - Ryan Diem - the only starter on the line that played in the 2nd halfTE2 - Tom Santi - a rookie 6th round pick. One sack was because he was trying to block Jared Allen one and one (ugh).So - yeah - it isn't just missing Jeff Saturday.
That's REAL ugly.
 
He's great and all, but that doesn't give him the right to criticize his teammates to the extent that he seems to. The fact that he does it in a subtle manner doesn't make it any better, in fact I'd say it makes it worse. I'd like to see Wayne or Harrison say something like, "It doesn't really matter if the other team's coverage sucks, even if I'm open the ball still sails just wide of my grasp."
He's the leader of that team, so yes, he does have that right and should do exactly what he's doing.
Sorry but I disagree.
Unitas would have done a lot worst to his teammates. So would Norm Van Brocklin.
Well then I suppose I can understand why you feel the way you do, Johnny. :confused: To each his own - I just feel there are more constructive ways to lead than pointing fingers.
 
He's great and all, but that doesn't give him the right to criticize his teammates to the extent that he seems to. The fact that he does it in a subtle manner doesn't make it any better, in fact I'd say it makes it worse. I'd like to see Wayne or Harrison say something like, "It doesn't really matter if the other team's coverage sucks, even if I'm open the ball still sails just wide of my grasp."
He's the leader of that team, so yes, he does have that right and should do exactly what he's doing.
Sorry but I disagree.
Unitas would have done a lot worst to his teammates. So would Norm Van Brocklin.
Well then I suppose I can understand why you feel the way you do, Johnny. :confused: To each his own - I just feel there are more constructive ways to lead than pointing fingers.
Old school didn't point fingers, they grabbed them by the facemask and told them to shape up or get off the field.
 
As a homer, nobody around here ever lays blame on Manning. At risk of continuing that trend, I'd like to believe that his comments weren't offensive to the running game, rather, they merely pointed out the ineffectiveness thus far based on the situation. The OL is decimated with guys starting who have no experience and playing some teams that were stout (MIN) or at least up for the game (CHI). Add to the fact that the passing game was not consistent and the timing was off, its no wonder Addai struggled. Sure, Jo is better because he plays on a successful team. And yes, tons of people who drafted him as high as they did are let down. But there are few sure things in life, let-alone fantasy football. My guess is that Addai will finish the season with competitive numbers, barring injury. He is still about as safe a play as any and that is also why he was high on the draft boards.

For what it's worth, props to Indy's D for keeping ADP out of the end zone and pulling off a win. Gotta give them some credit even if Minnesota's coaching staff are a bunch of boneheads sometimes.

 
He's great and all, but that doesn't give him the right to criticize his teammates to the extent that he seems to. The fact that he does it in a subtle manner doesn't make it any better, in fact I'd say it makes it worse. I'd like to see Wayne or Harrison say something like, "It doesn't really matter if the other team's coverage sucks, even if I'm open the ball still sails just wide of my grasp."
He's the leader of that team, so yes, he does have that right and should do exactly what he's doing.
Sorry but I disagree.
Unitas would have done a lot worst to his teammates. So would Norm Van Brocklin.
Well then I suppose I can understand why you feel the way you do, Johnny. :lmao: To each his own - I just feel there are more constructive ways to lead than pointing fingers.
Old school didn't point fingers, they grabbed them by the facemask and told them to shape up or get off the field.
If he handles this old school, it happens at practice, or in the locker room. Not in the Press, which is what causes the stir in the first place.
 
The colts running game was extremely ineffective. The game against Minny gets a pass, because no one can run on them, but Chicago was mediocre in the run defense last year and the game against Carolina makes me believe they haven't improved much. I think this has as much to do with Peyton being hurt as it does with the line being decimated. When Ugoh and Saturday come back I still don't expect the Indy run game to improve much. Much of their run game was based on the stretch play and Peyton's sprint out to hand-off. The reason this was so effective was because of the danger of the run fake. The safeties could never read run against that because they'd get beat deep too often.

With Manning's knee problems, that play has become a pitch. Obviously that means no play-fake potential and the safeties can fly up to stuff the run. I think it's going to be a difficult season for Addai until Manning becomes healthy enough to run those play-fakes again.

 
This just illustrates the fact that Addai is just a pedestrian back who was in a great situation with the Colts. If Thomas Jones would have played in the same circumstances as Addai, both previous years and this year, he would have produced better numbers.Sorry switz, that's just telling it like it is, there's no denying it now. Everyone can see how he struggles in a mediocre offense.Addai = mediocre.
What RB does not struggle with a line in shambles like that?Against 2 very tough running defenses I might add...both top 10, probably top 5 in the league?THomas Jones? You have got to be kidding me...the guy only excelled when he has had top Olines.
 
The colts running game was extremely ineffective. The game against Minny gets a pass, because no one can run on them, but Chicago was mediocre in the run defense last year and the game against Carolina makes me believe they haven't improved much. I think this has as much to do with Peyton being hurt as it does with the line being decimated. When Ugoh and Saturday come back I still don't expect the Indy run game to improve much. Much of their run game was based on the stretch play and Peyton's sprint out to hand-off. The reason this was so effective was because of the danger of the run fake. The safeties could never read run against that because they'd get beat deep too often.With Manning's knee problems, that play has become a pitch. Obviously that means no play-fake potential and the safeties can fly up to stuff the run. I think it's going to be a difficult season for Addai until Manning becomes healthy enough to run those play-fakes again.
What Chicago did last year is pretty irrelevant. What they have done this year is a better gague.And the game against Carolina made you think they have not improved much?Why is that? Giving up 115 rushing means they are bad? 24 of that one one run? Its not like Carolina just ran all over them.
 
Peyton's overrated anyways. He is a good quarterback, but he can't seem to do much of anything without a great cast around him. Unlike a guy like Brady, who had nothing around him and won superbowls, and when he had a great cast around him and smashed records. Peyton makes a bunch of mistakes when the pressure is on, and can only seem to be on fire when everyone else on his team is on fire, and his line gives him 10 seconds in the pocket.

 

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