QB Trevor Lawrence, JAX (2 Viewers)

[Joe Bryant]

Probably because murky situations are better for business than clear cut ones.  

We don't think this one is murky.  https://www.footballguys.com/projections/preseason/teams?team=jax&projector=996&profile=p

 

[Joe Bryant]

Ha, but honestly I don’t think Joe believes anyone really believes it. I see it as more of an old school approach and it’s not a bad look for Urban - it’s kind of what he should say.

For sure. Nobody believes it. I just think it's kind of fun him going old school "have to earn it" there. 

 

[Biabreakable]

Trevor Lawrence, Gardner Minshew II an 'Open Competition' to Start Week 1 for Jaguars

This actually worries me because I think the players are going to lose their trust in the coach if he keeps doing stuff like this.

Seems like an ego trip by the coach to me. Proving that he is more important than Lawrence is.

He does call the shots here but the truth is he is not more important to this teams success than Lawrencr is.

As already said he isnt fooling anyone with this, so my question is how does the coach saying this help his team?

 

[Anarchy99]

This actually worries me because I think the players are going to lose their trust in the coach if he keeps doing stuff like this.

Seems like an ego trip by the coach to me. Proving that he is more important than Lawrence is.

He does call the shots here but the truth is he is not more important to this teams success than Lawrencr is.

As already said he isnt fooling anyone with this, so my question is how does the coach saying this help his team?

BB said the same thing every year. He would not commit to anyone having been named a starter and everyone was fighting for a starting spot, even Brady. It’s a coach thing to motivate the players. 

 

[Biabreakable]

BB said the same thing every year. He would not commit to anyone having been named a starter and everyone was fighting for a starting spot, even Brady. It’s a coach thing to motivate the players. 

Bill is a different animal. He can say and do whatever he wants because he has earned the respect of players because he has won so much.

Urban Meyer hasn't.

Nevermind the coach speak though. If you keep saying stuff without really meaning it you lose credibility no matter who you are.

 

[zed2283]

Looked poised.  Seems to have some chemistry with M.Jones.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Looked poised.  Seems to have some chemistry with M.Jones.

Not a bad looking offense at all.

 

[Faust]

We got our first look at Trevor Lawrence in an NFL uniform, and he had some highlight plays

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Not a great start, sack/fumble but he made a great sideline throw outside the hash for a first down.

'Might' need a lil-work feeling pressure.  

He's got the talent, just needs more reps.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Looked poised.  Seems to have some chemistry with M.Jones.

3 good WRs + his favorite RB catching for him. I also like that he had 18 rushing TDs in 40 college games.

 

[mcintyre1]

Every play for Trevor Lawrence in preseason game 1

As others mentioned, he's got a good feel for where to go with the ball and pretty good ball placement overall. In particular, the swing pass to Shenault was right on the money as a really easy catch that started him with forward momentum. The longest pass to Marvin Jones had the benefit of roughly a million years in the pocket to find it, but once he did he knew where to throw it to let Jones get free and make a play on it. Only a few "misfires" that weren't egregious, (Hyde with no idea the ball could come to him, misfire off his back foot to Shenault across his body, overthrow to Jones on a short out to the sideline). No real risk of turnover on any of those throws. 

Definitely a positive start and he's got some good receivers to work with. I think he's definitely a notch below Wilson and Lance in terms of arm strength purely from the eye-test of looking at these "every play" videos, but he's definitely "good enough." I hope they get some bombs dialed up next week, though. 

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Not a great start, sack/fumble but he made a great sideline throw outside the hash for a first down.

'Might' need a lil-work feeling pressure.  

He's definitely going to have to get used to not playing behind a dominant o-line. That was the only negative thing I took away, he held the ball a long time for an NFL qb, resulting in a sack in 2 of his first 4 dropbacks. 

Physically he looked as advertised. He can make all the throws with ease. 

 

[Teezee]

I’ve yet to see a wow me throw from Lawrence. You have to show me something. The other rookie qbs have been playing with twos and threes too, they have all shown me something. You have the media propping him up and making excuses for him about the o-line. When all the things around you break down, whether it’s talent or ineptness, your performance in that time is who you really are. If you need studs everywhere to succeed, you ain’t it.

I know I’m still alone on that island and it’s still early but I was always weary of his mental makeup. He looks shook. Most high draft picks play for bad teams unless they traded up. Zach Wilson plays with the worst roster in the NFL and he showed me something.

I still don’t see the generational talent. Could it just be everybody missed on him?

 

[SoBeDad]

I’ve yet to see a wow me throw from Lawrence. You have to show me something. The other rookie qbs have been playing with twos and threes too, they have all shown me something. You have the media propping him up and making excuses for him about the o-line. When all the things around you break down, whether it’s talent or ineptness, your performance in that time is who you really are. If you need studs everywhere to succeed, you ain’t it.

I know I’m still alone on that island and it’s still early but I was always weary of his mental makeup. He looks shook. Most high draft picks play for bad teams unless they traded up. Zach Wilson plays with the worst roster in the NFL and he showed me something.

I still don’t see the generational talent. Could it just be everybody missed on him?

It's early. The oline is playing poorly, receivers not getting open, maybe the Meyer's scheme isn't good. Bad TEs. It's preseason. Here's one nice throw (plus the run for a 1st down):

https://mobile.twitter.com/PFN365/status/1429965358060953603

 

[Dizzy]

Most high draft picks play for bad teams unless they traded up. Zach Wilson plays with the worst roster in the NFL and he showed me something.

Fully with you here. Zac Wilson has been the most impressive of the rookie QBs to my eyes.

Totally opposite of what I expected.

 

[Teezee]

It's early. The oline is playing poorly, receivers not getting open, maybe the Meyer's scheme isn't good. Bad TEs. It's preseason. Here's one nice throw (plus the run for a 1st down):

https://mobile.twitter.com/PFN365/status/1429965358060953603

This is what I’m saying. Everyone is so quick to give him excuses. Everybody is dealing with the same things in preseason so the lack of talent doesn’t hold weight. Everybody is playing with twos and threes.

I have already given my thoughts on his mental makeup earlier in this thread, but the most glaring red flag I had before the draft was how was he going to look when he isn’t surrounded with Clemson like talent everywhere to help him succeed?

 

[Faust]

Jaguars QB Trevor Lawrence sees improvement in second preseason outing

 

[General Malaise]

I’ve yet to see a wow me throw from Lawrence. You have to show me something. The other rookie qbs have been playing with twos and threes too, they have all shown me something. You have the media propping him up and making excuses for him about the o-line. When all the things around you break down, whether it’s talent or ineptness, your performance in that time is who you really are. If you need studs everywhere to succeed, you ain’t it.

I know I’m still alone on that island and it’s still early but I was always weary of his mental makeup. He looks shook. Most high draft picks play for bad teams unless they traded up. Zach Wilson plays with the worst roster in the NFL and he showed me something.

I still don’t see the generational talent. Could it just be everybody missed on him?

Always good for a laugh....

 

CHARGERS 33, COLTS 3

Round 1 went to Ryan Leaf and the San Diego Chargers. The rematch with the Indianapolis Colts and Peyton Manning will be in October, when it counts.

The meeting last night between Leaf, the second pick in the National Football League draft, and Manning, the No. 1 pick, was only the second time in N.F.L. history quarterbacks picked 1-2 in the draft had faced each other as rookies.

Leaf was 15 for 24 for 172 yards, set up one touchdown and ran for a score as the Chargers broke a 3-3 tie at half and beat the Colts 33-3. It was only an exhibition game, but after a shaky first half, Leaf looked sharp in leading the Chargers.

Manning, playing into the third quarter for the first time in the preseason, was 11 for 21 for 123 yards but twice had passes intercepted.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I noted during the pregame interview that he is quite handsome.
 

So he’s got that going for him, which is nice.

 

[Faust]

Jacksonville Jaguars Are Waiting Too Long To Name Trevor Lawrence Their Starting Quarterback

Video link:

Is it too soon for Jags to start Trevor Lawrence?

 

[zamboni]

Breaking/shocking news:

https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/1430557687482392577?s=21

 

[Faust]

Jacksonville Jaguars QB Trevor Lawrence sparks first-team offense with near-perfect preseason finale

 

[Tanner9919]

this kid can ball-out..avoid at your own risk. he's going to do very well as a pro. I think the SP is too ga-ga over Fields, and too cool on Lawrence. 

but never underestimate Nagy's ability to eff things up. Fields has been hit and sacked a number of times in preseason, holds the ball too long, as has seen nothing but defensive backups. 

 

[zamboni]

this kid can ball-out..avoid at your own risk. he's going to do very well as a pro. I think the SP is too ga-ga over Fields, and too cool on Lawrence. 

but never underestimate Nagy's ability to eff things up. Fields has been hit and sacked a number of times in preseason, holds the ball too long, as has seen nothing but defensive backups. 

The bolded is the same concern that I have for Lawrence. Not that Meyer/Bevell/Schottenheimer will mess Lawrence up, but rather that they won't be putting Lawrence in the best position to maximize his talent. Coaching for a rookie QB is huge and is why many are very high on Lance despite his early struggles. 

 

[Faust]

How often will Urban Meyer have Trevor Lawrence rush for the Jaguars this season?

 

[az_prof]

I am starting him this week, mostly due to how weak I am at QB position, but also because HOU matchup seems potentially juicy.

 

[Faust]

Trevor Lawrence shows off big arm, but struggles with turnovers in NFL debut loss to Texans

 

[zamboni]

Not to make too much of one game, but I can see Trevor having a rough real life season but a strong fantasy one if he is forced to chuck it at will. And if he starts using his legs, all the more so.

 

[The Frankman]

the new Blake Bortles of garbage time.

 

[barackdhouse]

14/33 118 with 1 TD 2 INT

Did anyone see it? Is he simply not NFL ready? What is the NFL record for fewest completions with >30 attempts?

Dang.

 

[wgoldsph]

14/33 118 with 1 TD 2 INT

Did anyone see it? Is he simply not NFL ready? What is the NFL record for fewest completions with >30 attempts?

Dang.

Mirroring this.  How much is on Lawrence and how much is on coaching?

 

[Faust]

Trevor Lawrence's start to NFL season is nothing he's ever experienced before while playing football

 

[TartanLion]

Meyer seems like an absolute car wreck. Lawrence will be fine, Jags just need to get Meyer out of there and install an experienced, reasonable HC. Even somebody like Jim Caldwell would be an improvement 

 

[zamboni]

Meyer seems like an absolute car wreck. Lawrence will be fine, Jags just need to get Meyer out of there and install an experienced, reasonable HC. Even somebody like Jim Caldwell would be an improvement 

The only hope is that by the time Meyer leaves - hopefully one and done - he doesn't destroy Lawrence's confidence. 

 

[Faust]

Trevor Lawrence leads the NFL with a 36 percent uncatchable pass rate through Week 2. 

No starting quarterback has been more inaccurate than Lawrence through his first two NFL games, which has seen the No. 1 overall pick average 5.4 yards per attempt -- the second lowest behind only Andy Dalton. Jacksonville's offense has struggled mightily in its first two games of the Lawrence era outside an impressive opening Week 2 drive against the Broncos. Lawrence and the Jags will once again be forced into pass-heavy game script this week against Arizona. Lawrence should only be deployed in superflex formats for now. 

SOURCE: Sam Monson on Twitter 

Sep 21, 2021, 9:29 AM ET

 

[JohnnyU]

Trevor Lawrence leads the NFL with a 36 percent uncatchable pass rate through Week 2. 

No starting quarterback has been more inaccurate than Lawrence through his first two NFL games, which has seen the No. 1 overall pick average 5.4 yards per attempt -- the second lowest behind only Andy Dalton. Jacksonville's offense has struggled mightily in its first two games of the Lawrence era outside an impressive opening Week 2 drive against the Broncos. Lawrence and the Jags will once again be forced into pass-heavy game script this week against Arizona. Lawrence should only be deployed in superflex formats for now. 

 

[The Frankman]

The King of Fantasy Garbagetime himself Blake Bortles wasn't very accurate, but he could get the occasional deep ball to Allen Robinson and Marquise Lee. Just from a fantasy standpoint, Trevor needs to get chemistry with D.J. Chark and hit those deep balls.

EDIT: Urban Meyer isn't the reason his accuracy has been turrible.

 

[ShamrockPride]

I'm with the rest of y'all. Thinking this is more pointing toward Meyer than the kid.

Their only chances for wins in first 8 games are CIN and MIA. 0-8 isn't out of reason. They'd have to let Meyer go at that point you'd think.

 

[zamboni]

I'm with the rest of y'all. Thinking this is more pointing toward Meyer than the kid.

Their only chances for wins in first 8 games are CIN and MIA. 0-8 isn't out of reason. They'd have to let Meyer go at that point you'd think.

Hope I'm wrong, but I think Meyer will be at least given the full year to fail.

 

[ffmail4me]

It HAS to be Meyer. He was as proven as you can be coming into the league. Sounds like the entire team hates Meyer already...

 

[nittanylion]

The King of Fantasy Garbagetime himself Blake Bortles wasn't very accurate, but he could get the occasional deep ball to Allen Robinson and Marquise Lee. Just from a fantasy standpoint, Trevor needs to get chemistry with D.J. Chark and hit those deep balls.

EDIT: Urban Meyer isn't the reason his accuracy has been turrible.

There are still 15 games yet to be played, but Lawrence's learning curve appears to be a little steeper than many folks thought...and many of those folks are in denial, in part because there's a rather convenient scapegoat to caste blame upon, regardless of the veracity of their claim. Lawrence may ultimately be fine. I sure hope so...but there's more to his struggles than Urban Meyer and the Jaguars.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Not just bad.

DeShone Kizer bad.

THAT is REALLY bad.

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Trevor Lawrence is the first QB to throw 7+ INT in his first 3 career games since Deshone Kizer (2017).

Kizer was the QB on the 0-16 Browns.
 

 

[beef]

Not just bad.

DeShone Kizer bad.

THAT is REALLY bad.

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Trevor Lawrence is the first QB to throw 7+ INT in his first 3 career games since Deshone Kizer (2017).

Kizer was the QB on the 0-16 Browns.
 

I was going to say a real poor man's Mark Sanchez, but this comp works too.  

 

[wgoldsph]

Not just bad.

DeShone Kizer bad.

THAT is REALLY bad.

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Trevor Lawrence is the first QB to throw 7+ INT in his first 3 career games since Deshone Kizer (2017).

Kizer was the QB on the 0-16 Browns.
 

He would end up getting Kizered if not for his draft stock

 

[beef]

Took Favre 20 seasons to get 336 INTs.  Trevor Kizer may do it in 9.  

 

[Faust]

Trevor Lawrence completed 17-of-24 passes for 204 yards in the Jaguars' 24-21, Week 4 loss to the Bengals, adding eight carries for 36 additional yards and a touchdown. 

Lawrence's night got off to an ominous start when D.J. Chark broke his ankle on the fourth play from scrimmage. That is going to be a major concern going forward, but Lawrence settled in this evening after some early inaccuracy caused primarily by late throws. Lawrence finally got his connection with Laviska Shenault going, finding the second-year pro for 6/99, including a 52-yard deep bomb for the normally YAC-focused wideout. What really kept the Bengals' defense off balance was Lawrence's rushing, with the rookie skillfully executing a number of read-option runs, including his seven-yard touchdown in the second quarter. The Jags are going to need a lot more of that going forward considering their personnel issues at wideout. Although tonight was easily Lawrence's best start as a pro, he will be a borderline top-18 option for next week's divisional date with the Titans. 

Sep 30, 2021, 11:38 PM ET

 

[General Malaise]

I see the sky is already falling in here. 

Nice game for the kid tonight. 

 

[LawFitz]

I see the sky is already falling in here. 

Nice game for the kid tonight. 

Was it? Maybe for fantasy rushing stats. I saw a guy who can't read defenses well at all post-snap. I saw a rookie QB who had a chance to take control of a tie game in winning time and gave the ball back in short order.

There was so much hype behind this dude, but if you paid attention to his college games against flight 1 NFL-style D's, he had similar issues then. I see a rich man's Blake Borders when I look closely at TLaw. He's young and has plenty of room to grow, so even if I am right, I may end up wrong.

 

[Faust]

Trevor Lawrence showed signs of turning a corner with Week 4 performance vs. the Cincinnati Bengals

 

[General Malaise]

Was it? Maybe for fantasy rushing stats. I saw a guy who can't read defenses well at all post-snap. I saw a rookie QB who had a chance to take control of a tie game in winning time and gave the ball back in short order.

There was so much hype behind this dude, but if you paid attention to his college games against flight 1 NFL-style D's, he had similar issues then. I see a rich man's Blake Borders when I look closely at TLaw. He's young and has plenty of room to grow, so even if I am right, I may end up wrong.

Yes, for a rookie starting his 4th game with a horrendous supporting cast, this was a nice game.  Certainly an improvement.  Highest comp %, no INTs, 1 sack.  Keep in mind he lost Chark early on.  

We all paid attention to his college career; how could you not?  He was in the playoffs every single year and to your point, he beat Bama badly and unless you have data to the contrary, Bama has had otherworldly defenses.  The kid lost 2 games - TWO.  So again, to your point about 'flight 1 NFL-styel D's' and similar issues, he lost twice in three years as a starter. 

I think Justin Herbert has skewed perspective for a lot of football viewers.  Rookie QBs generally don't just waltz in and play well right away.  Look at Troy Aikman's first year, Peyton Manning's first year, or more recently, Tua, Trubisky even Baker Mayfield struggled early on.  Blake Bortles isn't near the QB that Lawrence is and I think you'd have a hard time finding anybody to agree with that assessment.  

I also think he has the absolute worse head coach possible for his development.  But I'm very bullish on Lawrence long term.