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Religious Affiliation, If Any - A Poll (2 Viewers)
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Mrs. Rannous
Footballguy
I dine at the Big Bang Burger Bar.
Terminalxylem
Footballguy
Even though I voted atheist, this describes me as well.
I always thought religion would die out as scientific understanding increased, but maybe indifference is a bigger threat?
Captain Cranks
Footballguy
Perhaps it's more about acceptance that we don't know and may never know.
Terminalxylem
Footballguy
I don't imagine people will shift dramatically in that regard, as eternal death and entropic inconsequentiality are pretty disturbing realizations.
3C's
Footballguy
An atheist with a space?
Peggy
Footballguy
Incorrect. . The Book of Morman (and The Docterine and Covenants) are in addition to the King James Bible. They don't change any of the Bible. Its a set of 3 books including the King James Bible. Their book of Mormon happens primarily before Christ adding new prophets in the Americas. Pretty smart when you think about it back then although now it's geologically and genetically proven to me 100% made up.
It still all revolves around christ, his crucifixion and most importantly his resurrection. Definitely Christian.
Tim Mackie is a guy I like. He co-founded and runs the Bible Project in Portland. He's a bible scholar and self described "bible nerd".
I thought this was good as it's a little different view of what Christianity is about.
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I thought this was good as it's a little different view of what Christianity is about.
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rockaction
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I watched it, Joe. Is he a deconstructionist or a close reader? I’m wondering if he’s described himself in any of those terms.
dgreen
Footballguy
What do you mean by "closer reader"?
I've never heard him use the term deconstructionist, but I doubt he'd deny that he has deconstructed some previously beliefs. I mean, that video alone is a deconstruction of sorts for quite a few people. I believe his story is one where he didn't grow up in church, so I'm not sure how much he would have deconstructed. He started attending a skateboarding ministry, where some people allowed teens to use a skate park but they had to sit through a Bible study. He became a Christian through that and then went on seminary at University of Wisconsin. I think he learned under, among others, Dr. Michael Heiser who recently passed away.
I'm not sure. As @dgreen said, he challenges some popular assumptions. Not sure where that fits with labels though.
Did you have something in particular in mind there? How did the video land with you?
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
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rockaction
Footballguy
The video was interesting and reframed how I would have understood Christianity. The first path he diagrammed on the board was exactly the linear path I would have believed to be the way to live. So I ask about deconstruction because when that happens, I begin to get my antennae up about what exactly the speaker is doing. When a speaker comes in and totally subverts a model I’ve been taught and followed through his “close reading” of a text, I immediately think of deconstructionism, the concept put forth by Jacques Derrida around about 1967.
Deconstructionism can be of the text or faith.
Deconstruction is difficult to define. I’m not trying to be cute about it. Its very essence seems undefinable. Here is what Cambridge Dictionary says, which is about the best I can do:
Cambridge Dictionary states that deconstruction is "the act of breaking something down into its separate parts in order to understand its meaning, especially when this is different from how it was previously understood.” - That’s per Wikipedia’s section on Deconstructionism, found here:
Here is what a deconstruction of faith often includes—an examination of faith through a close attention to the component parts of one’s overall belief
Faith deconstruction - Wikipedia
The video was interesting and reframed how I would have understood Christianity. The first path he diagrammed on the board was exactly the linear path I would have believed to be the way to live. So I ask about deconstruction because when that happens, I begin to get my antennae up about what exactly the speaker is doing. When a speaker comes in and totally subverts a model I’ve been taught and followed through his “close reading” of a text, I immediately think of deconstructionism, the concept put forth by Jacques Derrida around about 1967.
Deconstructionism can be of the text or faith.
Deconstruction is difficult to define. I’m not trying to be cute about it. Its very essence seems undefinable. Here is what Cambridge Dictionary says, which is about the best I can do:
Cambridge Dictionary states that deconstruction is "the act of breaking something down into its separate parts in order to understand its meaning, especially when this is different from how it was previously understood.” - That’s per Wikipedia’s section on Deconstructionism, found here:
Here is what a deconstruction of faith often includes—an examination of faith through a close attention to the component parts of one’s overall belief
Faith deconstruction - Wikipedia
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Thanks. I don't know his specific motivation of course, but I don't think it was as much a deconstruction thing as it was "Here's what most people think and I don't think it's the correct way to see it. And here's what I think is the correct way".
dgreen
Footballguy
Scot McKnight has this blogpost on the current "deconstruction" movement. It primarily talks about what people are deconstructing and briefly touches on how the term is being used a little differently than that classic philosophy definition.
The video was interesting and reframed how I would have understood Christianity. The first path he diagrammed on the board was exactly the linear path I would have believed to be the way to live. So I ask about deconstruction because when that happens, I begin to get my antennae up about what exactly the speaker is doing. When a speaker comes in and totally subverts a model I’ve been taught and followed through his “close reading” of a text, I immediately think of deconstructionism, the concept put forth by Jacques Derrida around about 1967.
Deconstructionism can be of the text or faith.
Deconstruction is difficult to define. I’m not trying to be cute about it. Its very essence seems undefinable. Here is what Cambridge Dictionary says, which is about the best I can do:
Cambridge Dictionary states that deconstruction is "the act of breaking something down into its separate parts in order to understand its meaning, especially when this is different from how it was previously understood.” - That’s per Wikipedia’s section on Deconstructionism, found here:
Here is what a deconstruction of faith often includes—an examination of faith through a close attention to the component parts of one’s overall belief
Faith deconstruction - Wikipedia
McKnight is an author I have not read yet, but many people who I like are fans of his so I'm confident he's someone I will enjoy.
BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
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Terminalxylem
Footballguy
You can always count on old white guys to seek the cutting edge.trendy?
Seriously though, it is a trend among younger adults, and has been creeping up over several decades.
BlackCrowes
Footballguy
Atheism and cargo shorts….together at last!trendy?
rockaction
Footballguy
Scot McKnight has this blogpost on the current "deconstruction" movement. It primarily talks about what people are deconstructing and briefly touches on how the term is being used a little differently than that classic philosophy definition.
The video was interesting and reframed how I would have understood Christianity. The first path he diagrammed on the board was exactly the linear path I would have believed to be the way to live. So I ask about deconstruction because when that happens, I begin to get my antennae up about what exactly the speaker is doing. When a speaker comes in and totally subverts a model I’ve been taught and followed through his “close reading” of a text, I immediately think of deconstructionism, the concept put forth by Jacques Derrida around about 1967.
Deconstructionism can be of the text or faith.
Deconstruction is difficult to define. I’m not trying to be cute about it. Its very essence seems undefinable. Here is what Cambridge Dictionary says, which is about the best I can do:
Cambridge Dictionary states that deconstruction is "the act of breaking something down into its separate parts in order to understand its meaning, especially when this is different from how it was previously understood.” - That’s per Wikipedia’s section on Deconstructionism, found here:
Here is what a deconstruction of faith often includes—an examination of faith through a close attention to the component parts of one’s overall belief
Faith deconstruction - Wikipedia
McKnight is an author I have not read yet, but many people who I like are fans of his so I'm confident he's someone I will enjoy.
Just want you to know that I read it. I’m not sure I understood what he was trying to say, and time is limited, so I’m not going to try again. It seemed like he was saying that the deconstruction is not an issue of deconstructing one’s faith, but deconstructing what evangelical churches are doing with the truth and how certain things Jesus did or would teach are either unaccounted for (systemic racism and poverty) or bastardized (the Middle East and Revelations). So thank you for the posting, dgreen. I appreciate it.
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dgreen
Footballguy
Yes, I think that's correct regarding what he's saying. I think he's also reacting to those in Christian circles who are critical of this deconstruction.Scot McKnight has this blogpost on the current "deconstruction" movement. It primarily talks about what people are deconstructing and briefly touches on how the term is being used a little differently than that classic philosophy definition.
The video was interesting and reframed how I would have understood Christianity. The first path he diagrammed on the board was exactly the linear path I would have believed to be the way to live. So I ask about deconstruction because when that happens, I begin to get my antennae up about what exactly the speaker is doing. When a speaker comes in and totally subverts a model I’ve been taught and followed through his “close reading” of a text, I immediately think of deconstructionism, the concept put forth by Jacques Derrida around about 1967.
Deconstructionism can be of the text or faith.
Deconstruction is difficult to define. I’m not trying to be cute about it. Its very essence seems undefinable. Here is what Cambridge Dictionary says, which is about the best I can do:
Cambridge Dictionary states that deconstruction is "the act of breaking something down into its separate parts in order to understand its meaning, especially when this is different from how it was previously understood.” - That’s per Wikipedia’s section on Deconstructionism, found here:
Here is what a deconstruction of faith often includes—an examination of faith through a close attention to the component parts of one’s overall belief
Faith deconstruction - Wikipedia
McKnight is an author I have not read yet, but many people who I like are fans of his so I'm confident he's someone I will enjoy.
Just want you to know that I read it. I’m not sure I understood what he was trying to say, and time is limited, so I’m not going to try again. It seemed like he was saying that the deconstruction is not an issue of deconstructing one’s faith, but deconstructing what evangelical churches are doing with the truth and how certain things Jesus did or would teach are either unaccounted for (systemic racism and poverty) or bastardized (the Middle East and Revelations). So thank you for the posting, dgreen. I appreciate it.
Regardless of labels, was wondering what folks thought of Mackie's video and the point he's making? https://youtu.be/ykH8E9wTCcQ?si=askjbx4LHjXrOi0R
Chaos34
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It reminded me of something I was anticipating sharing in the other thread. I didn't because the replies didn't stay on topic and address the question me and another were asking.
Anyway, I had a neighbor who was 7th Day Adventist. When facing the assumption in Mackie's top line, he explained his understanding similar to what's in the video.
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A more exhaustive explanation. I sure prefer Mackie and the Adventists to the eternal torture guys.
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and you can take that to the confessional.
dgreen
Footballguy
I’d be interested in hearing whatever topic this is referring to, if you want to bring it back up in the other thread.
Chaos34
Footballguy
Well the cat's out of the bag now with Mackie and the Adventists so that takes the fun out of it.
But sure, I'll get around to that in a bit.
dgreen
Footballguy
I posted that Mackie video in that thread so there was a little bit of discussion on it many pages back. But not sure if we touched on whatever specific aspect you’re interested in.
Well the cat's out of the bag now with Mackie and the Adventists so that takes the fun out of it.
But sure, I'll get around to that in a bit.
