Restaurant Talk - Modern Rules Of Dining (1 Viewer)

[General Malaise]

Offshoot of the "Restaurants are expensive" thread.

And for sure, this is not for fast food or fast casual. This is an article on what industry experts (in the UK) think is acceptable for traditional restaurants.

How to eat now: 16 rules of modern dining – from dress codes to dogs

A restaurant visit should be a joy, but arguments over queues, booking deposits and cakeage can ruin the experience. Industry insiders explain what is and isn’t acceptable

www.theguardian.com

Dress Codes?
Dogs Allowed?
Adults ordering from kids menu?
Cost for cancelling reservation less than 24 hours out.
No Cell Phones?
90 minute table limit?
and more

Do you agree with the voting?

Any particular topics?

I do not eat at restaurants that allow dogs beyond an outside bar or outside seating. Even then I try to steer clear.
When I go into a dark bar inside, I do not expect to see a little ESD or "Service Dog" on one of the bar stools.
And let me define service dogs for those that don't seem to understand. You can always tell a B service dog when they are around others besides their owner, most true service dogs or dogs that typically help people that are legally blind, they don't look at anyone other than their owner. I've seen a few exceptions but mostly that is how it works. If they could look around at others and get side tracked or enjoy the attention of others then it's not much of a service dog.

-We see a lot of folks that need that ESD down here in Florida and slip the service dog vest on before entering a restaurant, owners should be ashamed of themselves.

Are some people using dogs as service dogs when they shouldn’t? Asking for a friend.

When we were teenagers, we spent time and money buying fake IDs to buy booze. Now, it's fake service papers for dogs. Big business on the dark web.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Saw a girl a few weeks ago who brought her three small dogs into Jimmy Johns. Waited in line for her sandwich while the dogs sniffed pretty much everything within 10 feet. Nobody said anything to her. I gave her a stare of mild disgust. Mind blowing that people think that would be OK.

Folks making sandwiches at Jimmy John's are probably instructed not to say anything. Just make the sandwich and hope they leave. They don't want their employees escalating situations and managers are usually hiding in the back.

That's a pretty good post. People making minimum wage or close to it, should not have to manage people going in and out the door. They are exhausted as it is, they don't need any more stress. I agree with this GM

 

[JohnnyU]

Saw a girl a few weeks ago who brought her three small dogs into Jimmy Johns. Waited in line for her sandwich while the dogs sniffed pretty much everything within 10 feet. Nobody said anything to her. I gave her a stare of mild disgust. Mind blowing that people think that would be OK.

I'd be willing to bet the greasy faced teenager making the sandwiches at Jimmy Johns is 100 times more gross than the dogs were, and they're the ones actually touching your food.

OMG, the dogs were sniffing around? The horror!!

I love dogs as long as they behave.

 

[JohnnyU]

Offshoot of the "Restaurants are expensive" thread.

And for sure, this is not for fast food or fast casual. This is an article on what industry experts (in the UK) think is acceptable for traditional restaurants.

How to eat now: 16 rules of modern dining – from dress codes to dogs

A restaurant visit should be a joy, but arguments over queues, booking deposits and cakeage can ruin the experience. Industry insiders explain what is and isn’t acceptable

www.theguardian.com

Dress Codes?
Dogs Allowed?
Adults ordering from kids menu?
Cost for cancelling reservation less than 24 hours out.
No Cell Phones?
90 minute table limit?
and more

Do you agree with the voting?

Any particular topics?

I do not eat at restaurants that allow dogs beyond an outside bar or outside seating. Even then I try to steer clear.
When I go into a dark bar inside, I do not expect to see a little ESD or "Service Dog" on one of the bar stools.
And let me define service dogs for those that don't seem to understand. You can always tell a B service dog when they are around others besides their owner, most true service dogs or dogs that typically help people that are legally blind, they don't look at anyone other than their owner. I've seen a few exceptions but mostly that is how it works. If they could look around at others and get side tracked or enjoy the attention of others then it's not much of a service dog.

-We see a lot of folks that need that ESD down here in Florida and slip the service dog vest on before entering a restaurant, owners should be ashamed of themselves.

Are some people using dogs as service dogs when they shouldn’t? Asking for a friend.

When we were teenagers, we spent time and money buying fake IDs to buy booze. Now, it's fake service papers for dogs. Big business on the dark web.

I didn’t know that. Seems pathetic to get fake service dog papers. Our dog goes into her cage for the couple of hours were out for dinner.

 

[General Malaise]

Saw a girl a few weeks ago who brought her three small dogs into Jimmy Johns. Waited in line for her sandwich while the dogs sniffed pretty much everything within 10 feet. Nobody said anything to her. I gave her a stare of mild disgust. Mind blowing that people think that would be OK.

Folks making sandwiches at Jimmy John's are probably instructed not to say anything. Just make the sandwich and hope they leave. They don't want their employees escalating situations and managers are usually hiding in the back.

That's a pretty good post. People making minimum wage or close to it, should not have to manage people going in and out the door. They are exhausted as it is, they don't need any more stress. I agree with this GM

My son worked at Jersey Mike's during the pandemic in a state that required masks everywhere. He and his coworkers were specifically instructed NOT to engage with folks refusing to wear a mask. Just make their sandwich and hope they leave. Last thing the company wanted was a "situation" where a customer was looking to pick a fight. Guessing same holds true here with dogs.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Saw a girl a few weeks ago who brought her three small dogs into Jimmy Johns. Waited in line for her sandwich while the dogs sniffed pretty much everything within 10 feet. Nobody said anything to her. I gave her a stare of mild disgust. Mind blowing that people think that would be OK.

I'd be willing to bet the greasy faced teenager making the sandwiches at Jimmy Johns is 100 times more gross than the dogs were, and they're the ones actually touching your food.

OMG, the dogs were sniffing around? The horror!!

I love dogs as long as they behave.

That's the problem is they bark or cause a little uproar and everyone else around them is expected to act like it's cute
-When a baby is crying in a restaurant or movie theater, you expect the parent to take them outside
You say a word to a dog owner and it's absolute war. It's gotten to wear I feel i might need some extra personal protection somewhere under my clothes.
Not saying a pistol/gun but something to protect myself or get their attention so they steer clear of me.

Any owner that takes delight upsetting people trying to eat a meal over their dog is the problem, not the 35 sitting in the restaurant that didn't bring their dogs everywhere

 

[culdeus]

Is it? How?

It seems to me that yes, it is usually pretty clear if dogs are welcome. There are often signs. Or dog bowls.

But that's just my experience.

There's a website dedicated to listing restaurants and hotels by city/state that are dog friendly. It took me 4 seconds to find that Dallas, TX where Culdeus lives has 347 dog friendly restaurants.

I hate dogs. I don't want to be confronted with them while eating. The entire trend in this way is disgusting.

I'm sure that same website has solid data integrity on mask policies and enhanced cleaning or whatever nonsense is leftover from COVID too.

Restaurants have no city code to say yes no on this, and there's no thought that some patrons are wanting to opt out. Id rather you smoke than bring a damn dog in.

 

[General Malaise]

Offshoot of the "Restaurants are expensive" thread.

And for sure, this is not for fast food or fast casual. This is an article on what industry experts (in the UK) think is acceptable for traditional restaurants.

How to eat now: 16 rules of modern dining – from dress codes to dogs

A restaurant visit should be a joy, but arguments over queues, booking deposits and cakeage can ruin the experience. Industry insiders explain what is and isn’t acceptable

www.theguardian.com

Dress Codes?
Dogs Allowed?
Adults ordering from kids menu?
Cost for cancelling reservation less than 24 hours out.
No Cell Phones?
90 minute table limit?
and more

Do you agree with the voting?

Any particular topics?

I do not eat at restaurants that allow dogs beyond an outside bar or outside seating. Even then I try to steer clear.
When I go into a dark bar inside, I do not expect to see a little ESD or "Service Dog" on one of the bar stools.
And let me define service dogs for those that don't seem to understand. You can always tell a B service dog when they are around others besides their owner, most true service dogs or dogs that typically help people that are legally blind, they don't look at anyone other than their owner. I've seen a few exceptions but mostly that is how it works. If they could look around at others and get side tracked or enjoy the attention of others then it's not much of a service dog.

-We see a lot of folks that need that ESD down here in Florida and slip the service dog vest on before entering a restaurant, owners should be ashamed of themselves.

Are some people using dogs as service dogs when they shouldn’t? Asking for a friend.

When we were teenagers, we spent time and money buying fake IDs to buy booze. Now, it's fake service papers for dogs. Big business on the dark web.

I didn’t know that. Seems pathetic to get fake service dog papers. Our dog goes into her cage for the couple of hours were out for dinner.

It is absolutely pathetic. I wish I didn't know this was a "thing" but it is. :(

 

[General Malaise]

Is it? How?

It seems to me that yes, it is usually pretty clear if dogs are welcome. There are often signs. Or dog bowls.

But that's just my experience.

There's a website dedicated to listing restaurants and hotels by city/state that are dog friendly. It took me 4 seconds to find that Dallas, TX where Culdeus lives has 347 dog friendly restaurants.

I hate dogs. I don't want to be confronted with them while eating. The entire trend in this way is disgusting.

I'm sure that same website has solid data integrity on mask policies and enhanced cleaning or whatever nonsense is leftover from COVID too.

Restaurants have no city code to say yes no on this, and there's no thought that some patrons are wanting to opt out. Id rather you smoke than bring a damn dog in.

In or on a patio outside? Pretty big distinction. If Cardinal Puffs let's dog owners bring their dogs outside to their amazing patio, you can sit inside and not be bothered.

 

[culdeus]

Is it? How?

It seems to me that yes, it is usually pretty clear if dogs are welcome. There are often signs. Or dog bowls.

But that's just my experience.

There's a website dedicated to listing restaurants and hotels by city/state that are dog friendly. It took me 4 seconds to find that Dallas, TX where Culdeus lives has 347 dog friendly restaurants.

I hate dogs. I don't want to be confronted with them while eating. The entire trend in this way is disgusting.

I'm sure that same website has solid data integrity on mask policies and enhanced cleaning or whatever nonsense is leftover from COVID too.

Restaurants have no city code to say yes no on this, and there's no thought that some patrons are wanting to opt out. Id rather you smoke than bring a damn dog in.

In or on a patio outside? Pretty big distinction. If Cardinal Puffs let's dog owners bring their dogs outside to their amazing patio, you can sit inside and not be bothered.

I'm in Dallas. Patios are a thing for about 8 hours a year.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Saw a girl a few weeks ago who brought her three small dogs into Jimmy Johns. Waited in line for her sandwich while the dogs sniffed pretty much everything within 10 feet. Nobody said anything to her. I gave her a stare of mild disgust. Mind blowing that people think that would be OK.

Folks making sandwiches at Jimmy John's are probably instructed not to say anything. Just make the sandwich and hope they leave. They don't want their employees escalating situations and managers are usually hiding in the back.

That's a pretty good post. People making minimum wage or close to it, should not have to manage people going in and out the door. They are exhausted as it is, they don't need any more stress. I agree with this GM

My son worked at Jersey Mike's during the pandemic in a state that required masks everywhere. He and his coworkers were specifically instructed NOT to engage with folks refusing to wear a mask. Just make their sandwich and hope they leave. Last thing the company wanted was a "situation" where a customer was looking to pick a fight. Guessing same holds true here with dogs.

-Florida has passed a law FYI...no longer allowed to require staff/patrons of any kind to wear a mask. You can ask them to voluntarily but you cannot require it.

"Kill 'em all!"

 

[JohnnyU]

Saw a girl a few weeks ago who brought her three small dogs into Jimmy Johns. Waited in line for her sandwich while the dogs sniffed pretty much everything within 10 feet. Nobody said anything to her. I gave her a stare of mild disgust. Mind blowing that people think that would be OK.

Folks making sandwiches at Jimmy John's are probably instructed not to say anything. Just make the sandwich and hope they leave. They don't want their employees escalating situations and managers are usually hiding in the back.

That's a pretty good post. People making minimum wage or close to it, should not have to manage people going in and out the door. They are exhausted as it is, they don't need any more stress. I agree with this GM

My son worked at Jersey Mike's during the pandemic in a state that required masks everywhere. He and his coworkers were specifically instructed NOT to engage with folks refusing to wear a mask. Just make their sandwich and hope they leave. Last thing the company wanted was a "situation" where a customer was looking to pick a fight. Guessing same holds true here with dogs.

-Florida has passed a law FYI...no longer allowed to require staff of any kind to wear a mask. You can ask them to voluntarily but you cannot require it.

"Kill 'em all!"

Nor should they have to. Are masks still a thing?

 

[massraider]

It is absolutely pathetic. I wish I didn't know this was a "thing" but it is. :(

Very common. Some areas require them, but you aren't supposed to even ask for the papers.

And listen, if you ask for papers, by the time you get them in your hand, she's halfway finished her TikTok outrage rant.

Nope.

Just get their order in, and get them out.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Saw a girl a few weeks ago who brought her three small dogs into Jimmy Johns. Waited in line for her sandwich while the dogs sniffed pretty much everything within 10 feet. Nobody said anything to her. I gave her a stare of mild disgust. Mind blowing that people think that would be OK.

Folks making sandwiches at Jimmy John's are probably instructed not to say anything. Just make the sandwich and hope they leave. They don't want their employees escalating situations and managers are usually hiding in the back.

That's a pretty good post. People making minimum wage or close to it, should not have to manage people going in and out the door. They are exhausted as it is, they don't need any more stress. I agree with this GM

My son worked at Jersey Mike's during the pandemic in a state that required masks everywhere. He and his coworkers were specifically instructed NOT to engage with folks refusing to wear a mask. Just make their sandwich and hope they leave. Last thing the company wanted was a "situation" where a customer was looking to pick a fight. Guessing same holds true here with dogs.

-Florida has passed a law FYI...no longer allowed to require staff of any kind to wear a mask. You can ask them to voluntarily but you cannot require it.

"Kill 'em all!"

Nor should they have to. Are masks still a thing?

That's a tough question to answer
I would say most Floridians, year round Floridians the answer is mostly no.
But we have a lot of folks from elsewhere that fill up the State from Dec-Mar and a lot of them bring the masks with them down here.
You can always tell when people are from up North visiting.

-Personally the only place I get a little wide eye when i see a mask is outside in fresh air like at the beach or the other day i saw a woman masked up playing in a tennis clinic outside and I asked the front desk, they said she was from New York and I didn't say another word.

-I don't want to derail the thread but you need to protect yourself JU, even fully vaccinated you can still catch it. I've had a few friends in the last 3 months get sick and say they tested positive, have to believe them so please be safe.

 

[Scoresman]

Saw a girl a few weeks ago who brought her three small dogs into Jimmy Johns. Waited in line for her sandwich while the dogs sniffed pretty much everything within 10 feet. Nobody said anything to her. I gave her a stare of mild disgust. Mind blowing that people think that would be OK.

I'd be willing to bet the greasy faced teenager making the sandwiches at Jimmy Johns is 100 times more gross than the dogs were, and they're the ones actually touching your food.

OMG, the dogs were sniffing around? The horror!!

I love dogs as long as they behave.

That's the problem is they bark or cause a little uproar and everyone else around them is expected to act like it's cute
-When a baby is crying in a restaurant or movie theater, you expect the parent to take them outside
You say a word to a dog owner and it's absolute war. It's gotten to wear I feel i might need some extra personal protection somewhere under my clothes.
Not saying a pistol/gun but something to protect myself or get their attention so they steer clear of me.

Any owner that takes delight upsetting people trying to eat a meal over their dog is the problem, not the 35 sitting in the restaurant that didn't bring their dogs everywhere

Barking in an indoor place like a deli would be unacceptable and I would expect the owner to take the dog outside, just as I would expect a parent to take a screaming child elsewhere.

The dog in question was only "sniffing around", which is what dogs do, is harmless, and should not elicit disgust or outrage at all.

 

[JohnnyU]

Saw a girl a few weeks ago who brought her three small dogs into Jimmy Johns. Waited in line for her sandwich while the dogs sniffed pretty much everything within 10 feet. Nobody said anything to her. I gave her a stare of mild disgust. Mind blowing that people think that would be OK.

Folks making sandwiches at Jimmy John's are probably instructed not to say anything. Just make the sandwich and hope they leave. They don't want their employees escalating situations and managers are usually hiding in the back.

That's a pretty good post. People making minimum wage or close to it, should not have to manage people going in and out the door. They are exhausted as it is, they don't need any more stress. I agree with this GM

My son worked at Jersey Mike's during the pandemic in a state that required masks everywhere. He and his coworkers were specifically instructed NOT to engage with folks refusing to wear a mask. Just make their sandwich and hope they leave. Last thing the company wanted was a "situation" where a customer was looking to pick a fight. Guessing same holds true here with dogs.

-Florida has passed a law FYI...no longer allowed to require staff of any kind to wear a mask. You can ask them to voluntarily but you cannot require it.

"Kill 'em all!"

Nor should they have to. Are masks still a thing?

That's a tough question to answer
I would say most Floridians, year round Floridians the answer is mostly no.
But we have a lot of folks from elsewhere that fill up the State from Dec-Mar and a lot of them bring the masks with them down here.
You can always tell when people are from up North visiting.

-Personally the only place I get a little wide eye when i see a mask is outside in fresh air like at the beach or the other day i saw a woman masked up playing in a tennis clinic outside and I asked the front desk, they said she was from New York and I didn't say another word.

-I don't want to derail the thread but you need to protect yourself JU, even fully vaccinated you can still catch it. I've had a few friends in the last 3 months get sick and say they tested positive, have to believe them so please be safe.

I don’t wear a mask and don’t plan to. I’m past that for now. I get it, some people have compromised immune system. Or just paranoid as hell.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

But the dog goes everywhere is a growing movement. And I’m against it.

They're not going to restaurants that don't allow them, obviously.

In those places where are allowed, they run freely, bite a lot of patrons (sometimes leading to death), slobber on people's fish sticks and piss all over crying babies from what I "learned" in this thread.

You sure do like dogs

 

[Dr. Octopus]

But the dog goes everywhere is a growing movement. And I’m against it.

They're not going to restaurants that don't allow them, obviously.

In those places where are allowed, they run freely, bite a lot of patrons (sometimes leading to death), slobber on people's fish sticks and piss all over crying babies from what I "learned" in this thread.

You sure do like dogs

I like mine. I haven’t taken him to a restaurant - except at one with outside seating and a dog menu. Didn’t order for him.

There is a bar I can take him to but it’s an outside fenced in area specifically for dogs and dog owners - “Yappy Hour”. Most of the people I know in Asbury, since I’ve moved here, are because of that place. It’s fun.

I just was having fun with some of the hyperbole in here with what you quoted. Seemed obvious.

 

[JohnnyU]

Dogs are cool. Cats are not.

 

[JohnnyU]

How come you never see a service cat?

 

[General Malaise]

Is it? How?

It seems to me that yes, it is usually pretty clear if dogs are welcome. There are often signs. Or dog bowls.

But that's just my experience.

There's a website dedicated to listing restaurants and hotels by city/state that are dog friendly. It took me 4 seconds to find that Dallas, TX where Culdeus lives has 347 dog friendly restaurants.

I hate dogs. I don't want to be confronted with them while eating. The entire trend in this way is disgusting.

I'm sure that same website has solid data integrity on mask policies and enhanced cleaning or whatever nonsense is leftover from COVID too.

Restaurants have no city code to say yes no on this, and there's no thought that some patrons are wanting to opt out. Id rather you smoke than bring a damn dog in.

In or on a patio outside? Pretty big distinction. If Cardinal Puffs let's dog owners bring their dogs outside to their amazing patio, you can sit inside and not be bothered.

I'm in Dallas. Patios are a thing for about 8 hours a year.

Oh, stop. I lived there too. You're being really dramatic.

 

[fruity pebbles]

How come you never see a service cat?

They’d probably walk you into traffic on purpose

 

[JohnnyU]

How come you never see a service cat?

They’d probably walk you into traffic on purpose

Evil creatures

 

[culdeus]

Is it? How?

It seems to me that yes, it is usually pretty clear if dogs are welcome. There are often signs. Or dog bowls.

But that's just my experience.

There's a website dedicated to listing restaurants and hotels by city/state that are dog friendly. It took me 4 seconds to find that Dallas, TX where Culdeus lives has 347 dog friendly restaurants.

I hate dogs. I don't want to be confronted with them while eating. The entire trend in this way is disgusting.

I'm sure that same website has solid data integrity on mask policies and enhanced cleaning or whatever nonsense is leftover from COVID too.

Restaurants have no city code to say yes no on this, and there's no thought that some patrons are wanting to opt out. Id rather you smoke than bring a damn dog in.

In or on a patio outside? Pretty big distinction. If Cardinal Puffs let's dog owners bring their dogs outside to their amazing patio, you can sit inside and not be bothered.

I'm in Dallas. Patios are a thing for about 8 hours a year.

Oh, stop. I lived there too. You're being really dramatic.

Do you not see the problem where smoking was an opt in or out but someone can plop a Frenchie next to you mid meal?

 

[JohnnyU]

Is it? How?

It seems to me that yes, it is usually pretty clear if dogs are welcome. There are often signs. Or dog bowls.

But that's just my experience.

There's a website dedicated to listing restaurants and hotels by city/state that are dog friendly. It took me 4 seconds to find that Dallas, TX where Culdeus lives has 347 dog friendly restaurants.

I hate dogs. I don't want to be confronted with them while eating. The entire trend in this way is disgusting.

I'm sure that same website has solid data integrity on mask policies and enhanced cleaning or whatever nonsense is leftover from COVID too.

Restaurants have no city code to say yes no on this, and there's no thought that some patrons are wanting to opt out. Id rather you smoke than bring a damn dog in.

In or on a patio outside? Pretty big distinction. If Cardinal Puffs let's dog owners bring their dogs outside to their amazing patio, you can sit inside and not be bothered.

I'm in Dallas. Patios are a thing for about 8 hours a year.

Oh, stop. I lived there too. You're being really dramatic.

Do you not see the problem where smoking was an opt in or out but someone can plop a Frenchie next to you mid meal?

I throw him scraps when his owner isn’t looking. You’re probably barking up the wrong tree.

 

[Gr00vus]

Leave the dogs at home folks.

 

[urbanhack]

Dogs are cool. Cats are not.

Cats ****ing rule.

 

[urbanhack]

How come you never see a service cat?

They already know the rules and don't want to cause issues.

 

[JohnnyU]

Dogs are cool. Cats are not.

Cats ****ing rule.

They do whatever they want for sure and really hate everyone

 

[Gally]

Yep. OC house wife don’t care

I think this is something too.

Lots of people think the rules don't apply to them.

This is the crux of many, many issues in the world today.

 

[Willie Neslon]

Saw a girl a few weeks ago who brought her three small dogs into Jimmy Johns. Waited in line for her sandwich while the dogs sniffed pretty much everything within 10 feet. Nobody said anything to her. I gave her a stare of mild disgust. Mind blowing that people think that would be OK.

Folks making sandwiches at Jimmy John's are probably instructed not to say anything. Just make the sandwich and hope they leave. They don't want their employees escalating situations and managers are usually hiding in the back.

I think it was more apathy than anything else. I have a hard time believing a restaurant would instruct employees to look the other way on health code violations.

I think this is a thread about restaurants and not take-out sandwich joints/fast food.

But let me ask you this - why didn't you say something if it bothered you? Or ask the employees to say something? Wouldn't that be a form of apathy too?

I'm definitely not going to approach a stranger in a public place and explain the laws to them. People are nuts. Who knows what someone is going to do if you tell them can't do something. Remember that lady in New York who when told she had to leash her dog she calls 9-11 an starts tells them she's being harassed and threatened. I don't need that headache. Best to just give her a side-eye and then come here to vent.

 

[Chemical X]

Offshoot of the "Restaurants are expensive" thread.

And for sure, this is not for fast food or fast casual. This is an article on what industry experts (in the UK) think is acceptable for traditional restaurants.

How to eat now: 16 rules of modern dining – from dress codes to dogs

A restaurant visit should be a joy, but arguments over queues, booking deposits and cakeage can ruin the experience. Industry insiders explain what is and isn’t acceptable

www.theguardian.com

Dress Codes?
Dogs Allowed?
Adults ordering from kids menu?
Cost for cancelling reservation less than 24 hours out.
No Cell Phones?
90 minute table limit?
and more

Do you agree with the voting?

Any particular topics?

I do not eat at restaurants that allow dogs beyond an outside bar or outside seating. Even then I try to steer clear.
When I go into a dark bar inside, I do not expect to see a little ESD or "Service Dog" on one of the bar stools.
And let me define service dogs for those that don't seem to understand. You can always tell a B service dog when they are around others besides their owner, most true service dogs or dogs that typically help people that are legally blind, they don't look at anyone other than their owner. I've seen a few exceptions but mostly that is how it works. If they could look around at others and get side tracked or enjoy the attention of others then it's not much of a service dog.

-We see a lot of folks that need that ESD down here in Florida and slip the service dog vest on before entering a restaurant, owners should be ashamed of themselves.

Are some people using dogs as service dogs when they shouldn’t? Asking for a friend.

When we were teenagers, we spent time and money buying fake IDs to buy booze. Now, it's fake service papers for dogs. Big business on the dark web.

I didn’t know that. Seems pathetic to get fake service dog papers. Our dog goes into her cage for the couple of hours were out for dinner.

people do this like crazy for air flight. airlines actually had to change the service animal rules.

 

[General Malaise]

Is it? How?

It seems to me that yes, it is usually pretty clear if dogs are welcome. There are often signs. Or dog bowls.

But that's just my experience.

There's a website dedicated to listing restaurants and hotels by city/state that are dog friendly. It took me 4 seconds to find that Dallas, TX where Culdeus lives has 347 dog friendly restaurants.

I hate dogs. I don't want to be confronted with them while eating. The entire trend in this way is disgusting.

I'm sure that same website has solid data integrity on mask policies and enhanced cleaning or whatever nonsense is leftover from COVID too.

Restaurants have no city code to say yes no on this, and there's no thought that some patrons are wanting to opt out. Id rather you smoke than bring a damn dog in.

In or on a patio outside? Pretty big distinction. If Cardinal Puffs let's dog owners bring their dogs outside to their amazing patio, you can sit inside and not be bothered.

I'm in Dallas. Patios are a thing for about 8 hours a year.

Oh, stop. I lived there too. You're being really dramatic.

Do you not see the problem where smoking was an opt in or out but someone can plop a Frenchie next to you mid meal?

Buddy, I'm old enough to remember (and so are you) when restaurants had a "smoking" and "non-smoking" section. You, the patron, had a choice.

The restaurants that advertise themselves as DOG FRIENDLY are also giving you, the patron, a choice. How hard is it to tell your hostess "I prefer not to sit next to a dog" at a dog friendly establishment?

 

[JohnnyU]

Offshoot of the "Restaurants are expensive" thread.

And for sure, this is not for fast food or fast casual. This is an article on what industry experts (in the UK) think is acceptable for traditional restaurants.

How to eat now: 16 rules of modern dining – from dress codes to dogs

A restaurant visit should be a joy, but arguments over queues, booking deposits and cakeage can ruin the experience. Industry insiders explain what is and isn’t acceptable

www.theguardian.com

Dress Codes?
Dogs Allowed?
Adults ordering from kids menu?
Cost for cancelling reservation less than 24 hours out.
No Cell Phones?
90 minute table limit?
and more

Do you agree with the voting?

Any particular topics?

I do not eat at restaurants that allow dogs beyond an outside bar or outside seating. Even then I try to steer clear.
When I go into a dark bar inside, I do not expect to see a little ESD or "Service Dog" on one of the bar stools.
And let me define service dogs for those that don't seem to understand. You can always tell a B service dog when they are around others besides their owner, most true service dogs or dogs that typically help people that are legally blind, they don't look at anyone other than their owner. I've seen a few exceptions but mostly that is how it works. If they could look around at others and get side tracked or enjoy the attention of others then it's not much of a service dog.

-We see a lot of folks that need that ESD down here in Florida and slip the service dog vest on before entering a restaurant, owners should be ashamed of themselves.

Are some people using dogs as service dogs when they shouldn’t? Asking for a friend.

When we were teenagers, we spent time and money buying fake IDs to buy booze. Now, it's fake service papers for dogs. Big business on the dark web.

I didn’t know that. Seems pathetic to get fake service dog papers. Our dog goes into her cage for the couple of hours were out for dinner.

people do this like crazy for air flight. airlines actually had to change the service animal rules.

What changes did they make?

 

[General Malaise]

Saw a girl a few weeks ago who brought her three small dogs into Jimmy Johns. Waited in line for her sandwich while the dogs sniffed pretty much everything within 10 feet. Nobody said anything to her. I gave her a stare of mild disgust. Mind blowing that people think that would be OK.

Folks making sandwiches at Jimmy John's are probably instructed not to say anything. Just make the sandwich and hope they leave. They don't want their employees escalating situations and managers are usually hiding in the back.

I think it was more apathy than anything else. I have a hard time believing a restaurant would instruct employees to look the other way on health code violations.

I think this is a thread about restaurants and not take-out sandwich joints/fast food.

But let me ask you this - why didn't you say something if it bothered you? Or ask the employees to say something? Wouldn't that be a form of apathy too?

I'm definitely not going to approach a stranger in a public place and explain the laws to them. People are nuts. Who knows what someone is going to do if you tell them can't do something. Remember that lady in New York who when told she had to leash her dog she calls 9-11 an starts tells them she's being harassed and threatened. I don't need that headache. Best to just give her a side-eye and then come here to vent.

That woman was canceled and lost her job. But yeah, sure, complain on a message board about "apathy" by being the epitome of "apathetic". Makes total sense.

 

[rockaction]

Dogs in the Wal-Mart, over by the cookies
Kids by the sports bar, giving me the lookies
I don't want your kids and pets giving me the ookies

Ookie ookie ookie
Yodel-a-hee
Yodel-a-hee
Yodel-ay

 

[JohnnyU]

How come you never see a service cat?

They already know the rules and don't want to cause issues.

Wut? I suppose your idea of a service animal and mine are different

 

[JohnnyU]

Saw a girl a few weeks ago who brought her three small dogs into Jimmy Johns. Waited in line for her sandwich while the dogs sniffed pretty much everything within 10 feet. Nobody said anything to her. I gave her a stare of mild disgust. Mind blowing that people think that would be OK.

Folks making sandwiches at Jimmy John's are probably instructed not to say anything. Just make the sandwich and hope they leave. They don't want their employees escalating situations and managers are usually hiding in the back.

I think it was more apathy than anything else. I have a hard time believing a restaurant would instruct employees to look the other way on health code violations.

I think this is a thread about restaurants and not take-out sandwich joints/fast food.

But let me ask you this - why didn't you say something if it bothered you? Or ask the employees to say something? Wouldn't that be a form of apathy too?

I'm definitely not going to approach a stranger in a public place and explain the laws to them. People are nuts. Who knows what someone is going to do if you tell them can't do something. Remember that lady in New York who when told she had to leash her dog she calls 9-11 an starts tells them she's being harassed and threatened. I don't need that headache. Best to just give her a side-eye and then come here to vent.

That woman was canceled and lost her job. But yeah, sure, complain on a message board about "apathy" by being the epitome of "apothetic". Makes total sense.

I’m at the age that I’m not afraid of being cancelled and losing my job

 

[Parrothead]

So, what's the verdict about dogs on stools in restaurants?

as long as they aren't driving I'm fine with it

 

[Chemical X]

Offshoot of the "Restaurants are expensive" thread.

And for sure, this is not for fast food or fast casual. This is an article on what industry experts (in the UK) think is acceptable for traditional restaurants.

How to eat now: 16 rules of modern dining – from dress codes to dogs

A restaurant visit should be a joy, but arguments over queues, booking deposits and cakeage can ruin the experience. Industry insiders explain what is and isn’t acceptable

www.theguardian.com

Dress Codes?
Dogs Allowed?
Adults ordering from kids menu?
Cost for cancelling reservation less than 24 hours out.
No Cell Phones?
90 minute table limit?
and more

Do you agree with the voting?

Any particular topics?

I do not eat at restaurants that allow dogs beyond an outside bar or outside seating. Even then I try to steer clear.
When I go into a dark bar inside, I do not expect to see a little ESD or "Service Dog" on one of the bar stools.
And let me define service dogs for those that don't seem to understand. You can always tell a B service dog when they are around others besides their owner, most true service dogs or dogs that typically help people that are legally blind, they don't look at anyone other than their owner. I've seen a few exceptions but mostly that is how it works. If they could look around at others and get side tracked or enjoy the attention of others then it's not much of a service dog.

-We see a lot of folks that need that ESD down here in Florida and slip the service dog vest on before entering a restaurant, owners should be ashamed of themselves.

Are some people using dogs as service dogs when they shouldn’t? Asking for a friend.

When we were teenagers, we spent time and money buying fake IDs to buy booze. Now, it's fake service papers for dogs. Big business on the dark web.

I didn’t know that. Seems pathetic to get fake service dog papers. Our dog goes into her cage for the couple of hours were out for dinner.

people do this like crazy for air flight. airlines actually had to change the service animal rules.

What changes did they make?

Q: What are the most significant changes as far as the USDOT is concerned?
A: The Department’s service animal final rule makes a number of significant changes to its
current Air Carrier Access Act service animal rule. This includes: (1) defining a service animal as a dog and no longer requiring airlines to accommodate miniature horses, cats, rabbits, birds and all other service animals that airlines are currently required to transport; (2) permitting airlines to treat emotional support animals as a pet and not requiring airlines to recognize
emotional support animals as service animals; (3) requiring airlines to treat psychiatric service animals the same as other service animals that are trained to do work or perform tasks to assist a qualified individual with a disability and no longer allowing airlines to impose additional requirements on individuals traveling with psychiatric service animals as a condition of transport; and (4) allowing airlines to require service animal users to provide a form developed
by DOT attesting to the dog’s health, behavior, and training to assist the airline in determining if the dog poses a direct threat to the health or safety of others but prohibiting other forms.

 

[JohnnyU]

So, what's the verdict about dogs on stools in restaurants?

as long as they aren't driving I'm fine with it

How many dogs can you get on a bar stool? Never mind I can’t tell that here.

 

[JohnnyU]

Offshoot of the "Restaurants are expensive" thread.

And for sure, this is not for fast food or fast casual. This is an article on what industry experts (in the UK) think is acceptable for traditional restaurants.

How to eat now: 16 rules of modern dining – from dress codes to dogs

A restaurant visit should be a joy, but arguments over queues, booking deposits and cakeage can ruin the experience. Industry insiders explain what is and isn’t acceptable

www.theguardian.com

Dress Codes?
Dogs Allowed?
Adults ordering from kids menu?
Cost for cancelling reservation less than 24 hours out.
No Cell Phones?
90 minute table limit?
and more

Do you agree with the voting?

Any particular topics?

I do not eat at restaurants that allow dogs beyond an outside bar or outside seating. Even then I try to steer clear.
When I go into a dark bar inside, I do not expect to see a little ESD or "Service Dog" on one of the bar stools.
And let me define service dogs for those that don't seem to understand. You can always tell a B service dog when they are around others besides their owner, most true service dogs or dogs that typically help people that are legally blind, they don't look at anyone other than their owner. I've seen a few exceptions but mostly that is how it works. If they could look around at others and get side tracked or enjoy the attention of others then it's not much of a service dog.

-We see a lot of folks that need that ESD down here in Florida and slip the service dog vest on before entering a restaurant, owners should be ashamed of themselves.

Are some people using dogs as service dogs when they shouldn’t? Asking for a friend.

When we were teenagers, we spent time and money buying fake IDs to buy booze. Now, it's fake service papers for dogs. Big business on the dark web.

I didn’t know that. Seems pathetic to get fake service dog papers. Our dog goes into her cage for the couple of hours were out for dinner.

people do this like crazy for air flight. airlines actually had to change the service animal rules.

What changes did they make?

Q: What are the most significant changes as far as the USDOT is concerned?
A: The Department’s service animal final rule makes a number of significant changes to its
current Air Carrier Access Act service animal rule. This includes: (1) defining a service animal as a dog and no longer requiring airlines to accommodate miniature horses, cats, rabbits, birds and all other service animals that airlines are currently required to transport; (2) permitting airlines to treat emotional support animals as a pet and not requiring airlines to recognize
emotional support animals as service animals; (3) requiring airlines to treat psychiatric service animals the same as other service animals that are trained to do work or perform tasks to assist a qualified individual with a disability and no longer allowing airlines to impose additional requirements on individuals traveling with psychiatric service animals as a condition of transport; and (4) allowing airlines to require service animal users to provide a form developed
by DOT attesting to the dog’s health, behavior, and training to assist the airline in determining if the dog poses a direct threat to the health or safety of others but prohibiting other forms.

“ (2) permitting airlines to treat emotional support animals as a pet and not requiring airlines to recognize emotional support animals as service animals.”

Emotional support animals? I didn’t know there was such a thing. When did people start needing that? Or better yet, when did it become necessary to label them that?

 

[Willie Neslon]

Saw a girl a few weeks ago who brought her three small dogs into Jimmy Johns. Waited in line for her sandwich while the dogs sniffed pretty much everything within 10 feet. Nobody said anything to her. I gave her a stare of mild disgust. Mind blowing that people think that would be OK.

Folks making sandwiches at Jimmy John's are probably instructed not to say anything. Just make the sandwich and hope they leave. They don't want their employees escalating situations and managers are usually hiding in the back.

I think it was more apathy than anything else. I have a hard time believing a restaurant would instruct employees to look the other way on health code violations.

I think this is a thread about restaurants and not take-out sandwich joints/fast food.

But let me ask you this - why didn't you say something if it bothered you? Or ask the employees to say something? Wouldn't that be a form of apathy too?

I'm definitely not going to approach a stranger in a public place and explain the laws to them. People are nuts. Who knows what someone is going to do if you tell them can't do something. Remember that lady in New York who when told she had to leash her dog she calls 9-11 an starts tells them she's being harassed and threatened. I don't need that headache. Best to just give her a side-eye and then come here to vent.

That woman was canceled and lost her job. But yeah, sure, complain on a message board about "apathy" by being the epitome of "apathetic". Makes total sense.

I don't really understand why you're upset.

 

[General Malaise]

Saw a girl a few weeks ago who brought her three small dogs into Jimmy Johns. Waited in line for her sandwich while the dogs sniffed pretty much everything within 10 feet. Nobody said anything to her. I gave her a stare of mild disgust. Mind blowing that people think that would be OK.

Folks making sandwiches at Jimmy John's are probably instructed not to say anything. Just make the sandwich and hope they leave. They don't want their employees escalating situations and managers are usually hiding in the back.

I think it was more apathy than anything else. I have a hard time believing a restaurant would instruct employees to look the other way on health code violations.

I think this is a thread about restaurants and not take-out sandwich joints/fast food.

But let me ask you this - why didn't you say something if it bothered you? Or ask the employees to say something? Wouldn't that be a form of apathy too?

I'm definitely not going to approach a stranger in a public place and explain the laws to them. People are nuts. Who knows what someone is going to do if you tell them can't do something. Remember that lady in New York who when told she had to leash her dog she calls 9-11 an starts tells them she's being harassed and threatened. I don't need that headache. Best to just give her a side-eye and then come here to vent.

That woman was canceled and lost her job. But yeah, sure, complain on a message board about "apathy" by being the epitome of "apathetic". Makes total sense.

I don't really understand why you're upset.

Upset? I'm confused. You were upset that a woman brought her dogs into Jimmy Johns, didn't do anything about it, then complained that "apathy" was the reason nothing was done about it. Like, bruh.....point to the shirt!

 

[Chemical X]

Offshoot of the "Restaurants are expensive" thread.

And for sure, this is not for fast food or fast casual. This is an article on what industry experts (in the UK) think is acceptable for traditional restaurants.

How to eat now: 16 rules of modern dining – from dress codes to dogs

A restaurant visit should be a joy, but arguments over queues, booking deposits and cakeage can ruin the experience. Industry insiders explain what is and isn’t acceptable

www.theguardian.com

Dress Codes?
Dogs Allowed?
Adults ordering from kids menu?
Cost for cancelling reservation less than 24 hours out.
No Cell Phones?
90 minute table limit?
and more

Do you agree with the voting?

Any particular topics?

I do not eat at restaurants that allow dogs beyond an outside bar or outside seating. Even then I try to steer clear.
When I go into a dark bar inside, I do not expect to see a little ESD or "Service Dog" on one of the bar stools.
And let me define service dogs for those that don't seem to understand. You can always tell a B service dog when they are around others besides their owner, most true service dogs or dogs that typically help people that are legally blind, they don't look at anyone other than their owner. I've seen a few exceptions but mostly that is how it works. If they could look around at others and get side tracked or enjoy the attention of others then it's not much of a service dog.

-We see a lot of folks that need that ESD down here in Florida and slip the service dog vest on before entering a restaurant, owners should be ashamed of themselves.

Are some people using dogs as service dogs when they shouldn’t? Asking for a friend.

When we were teenagers, we spent time and money buying fake IDs to buy booze. Now, it's fake service papers for dogs. Big business on the dark web.

I didn’t know that. Seems pathetic to get fake service dog papers. Our dog goes into her cage for the couple of hours were out for dinner.

people do this like crazy for air flight. airlines actually had to change the service animal rules.

What changes did they make?

Q: What are the most significant changes as far as the USDOT is concerned?
A: The Department’s service animal final rule makes a number of significant changes to its
current Air Carrier Access Act service animal rule. This includes: (1) defining a service animal as a dog and no longer requiring airlines to accommodate miniature horses, cats, rabbits, birds and all other service animals that airlines are currently required to transport; (2) permitting airlines to treat emotional support animals as a pet and not requiring airlines to recognize
emotional support animals as service animals; (3) requiring airlines to treat psychiatric service animals the same as other service animals that are trained to do work or perform tasks to assist a qualified individual with a disability and no longer allowing airlines to impose additional requirements on individuals traveling with psychiatric service animals as a condition of transport; and (4) allowing airlines to require service animal users to provide a form developed
by DOT attesting to the dog’s health, behavior, and training to assist the airline in determining if the dog poses a direct threat to the health or safety of others but prohibiting other forms.

“ (2) permitting airlines to treat emotional support animals as a pet and not requiring airlines to recognize emotional support animals as service animals.”

Emotional support animals? I didn’t know there was such a thing. When did people start needing that? Or better yet, when did it become necessary to label them that?

new to america? we label everything.

 

[FairWarning]

But not to derail, for restaurants, I think the decision is interesting.

It does seem a little easier as it's usually pretty clear if dogs are welcome or not.

So if prefer not to have dogs allowed, you know what you're getting into.

It’s illegal in Michigan to bring a dog to a restaurant (service dogs are ok).

Are you sure? According to Bring Fido, there's quite a few Michigan restaurants that are dog friendly:

BringFido: Dog Friendly Restaurants in Michigan

There are 1,844 pet friendly restaurants in Michigan. Need help to decide where to eat? View pictures of each dog friendly restaurant and read reviews of other guests with dogs here. Bone appetit!

www.bringfido.com

Not if they have a kitchen.

 

[gianmarco]

So, what's the verdict about dogs on stools in restaurants?

Can you share a sample of what you mean?

Are you really asking for a stool sample?

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Few restaurants are in the position to turn away money, but I would love to see some sort of dress code enforced at higher end places. Rarely happens. People make so little of an effort these days.

This is an interesting one.

There is the classic scene in Sopranos where Tony tells the guy to take his hat off as they stopped selling hot dogs here a while back.

My friend was the Executive Chef at Bobby Flay's Mesa Grill in Ceasar's Palace and they had a strict no hat rule. They asked one of the people in our party one time to remove his hat and he thought they were joking. They were not.

I asked my friend, "If Jay Z walks in here wearing a hat, you ask him to take it off?" He said yes.

I love Mesa Grill at Caesar’s. Haven’t been there in 10 years though at least.

 

[Peggy]

Offshoot of the "Restaurants are expensive" thread.

And for sure, this is not for fast food or fast casual. This is an article on what industry experts (in the UK) think is acceptable for traditional restaurants.

How to eat now: 16 rules of modern dining – from dress codes to dogs

A restaurant visit should be a joy, but arguments over queues, booking deposits and cakeage can ruin the experience. Industry insiders explain what is and isn’t acceptable

www.theguardian.com

Dress Codes?
Dogs Allowed?
Adults ordering from kids menu?
Cost for cancelling reservation less than 24 hours out.
No Cell Phones?
90 minute table limit?
and more

Do you agree with the voting?

Any particular topics?

I do not eat at restaurants that allow dogs beyond an outside bar or outside seating. Even then I try to steer clear.
When I go into a dark bar inside, I do not expect to see a little ESD or "Service Dog" on one of the bar stools.
And let me define service dogs for those that don't seem to understand. You can always tell a B service dog when they are around others besides their owner, most true service dogs or dogs that typically help people that are legally blind, they don't look at anyone other than their owner. I've seen a few exceptions but mostly that is how it works. If they could look around at others and get side tracked or enjoy the attention of others then it's not much of a service dog.

-We see a lot of folks that need that ESD down here in Florida and slip the service dog vest on before entering a restaurant, owners should be ashamed of themselves.

Are some people using dogs as service dogs when they shouldn’t? Asking for a friend.

When we were teenagers, we spent time and money buying fake IDs to buy booze. Now, it's fake service papers for dogs. Big business on the dark web.

You dont have to do that. There are no federal certifications required, neither in most states. ADA allows people with disabilities to train their own dogs themselves if they want. You can only ask a disabled person 2 questions about their service dog. Is it a service dog and what task is it trained to perform. You cant ask to see a certification, because there is no standard. All you have to do is buy a service dog harness, if you want to advertise it, on Amazon.

ADA doesnt include emotional support animals as service dogs though so make sure to make up a task for it to do like bark when your blood sugar is low.

It's kind of like motorcycle helmets. You have to wear one in some states, but, there is no standard so they dont have to be a real helmet. Just something on your head.

 

[JohnnyU]

Offshoot of the "Restaurants are expensive" thread.

And for sure, this is not for fast food or fast casual. This is an article on what industry experts (in the UK) think is acceptable for traditional restaurants.

How to eat now: 16 rules of modern dining – from dress codes to dogs

A restaurant visit should be a joy, but arguments over queues, booking deposits and cakeage can ruin the experience. Industry insiders explain what is and isn’t acceptable

www.theguardian.com

Dress Codes?
Dogs Allowed?
Adults ordering from kids menu?
Cost for cancelling reservation less than 24 hours out.
No Cell Phones?
90 minute table limit?
and more

Do you agree with the voting?

Any particular topics?

I do not eat at restaurants that allow dogs beyond an outside bar or outside seating. Even then I try to steer clear.
When I go into a dark bar inside, I do not expect to see a little ESD or "Service Dog" on one of the bar stools.
And let me define service dogs for those that don't seem to understand. You can always tell a B service dog when they are around others besides their owner, most true service dogs or dogs that typically help people that are legally blind, they don't look at anyone other than their owner. I've seen a few exceptions but mostly that is how it works. If they could look around at others and get side tracked or enjoy the attention of others then it's not much of a service dog.

-We see a lot of folks that need that ESD down here in Florida and slip the service dog vest on before entering a restaurant, owners should be ashamed of themselves.

Are some people using dogs as service dogs when they shouldn’t? Asking for a friend.

When we were teenagers, we spent time and money buying fake IDs to buy booze. Now, it's fake service papers for dogs. Big business on the dark web.

You dont have to do that. There are no federal certifications required, neither in most states. ADA allows people with disabilities to train their own dogs themselves if they want. You can only ask a disabled person 2 questions about their service dog. Is it a service dog and what task is it trained to perform. You cant ask to see a certification, because there is no standard. All you have to do is buy a service dog harness, if you want to advertise it, on Amazon.

ADA doesnt include emotional support animals as service dogs though so make sure to make up a task for it to do like bark when your blood sugar is low.

It's kind of like motorcycle helmets. You have to wear one in some states, but, there is no standard so they dont have to be a real helmet. Just something on your head.

You guys aren’t kidding are you? Emotional support animals is a real thing and not to be confused with the necessary service animal. I’m beside myself right now.