Richard Sherman and Brandon Browner (1 Viewer)

[Ministry of Pain]

6-5, losing these 2 guys on top of it. Maybe the Bucs can be that 6 seed.

 

[SSOG]

Yeah, OK geniuses. And it is a PED in what way?So stupid - for being a banned substance, and if true, the players for taking something that doesn't even give them an edge.

I think I've read before that Adderall can also cover up traces of other PED's or banned substances, but I could be misremembering.

Yep, that's it. Makes perfect sense now.

It is on the list because It can mask anabolic steroids.

Sorry, I'm a middle aged ex-stoner, so it just seemed like a dumb thing to ban. But totally should since it is a masking agent.

I don't know about Adderall, but I know that Ritalin is an extremely commonly abused drug among high school athletes because it's a stimulant, it improves focus, and it improves hand-eye coordination.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Yeah, OK geniuses. And it is a PED in what way?So stupid - for being a banned substance, and if true, the players for taking something that doesn't even give them an edge.

I think I've read before that Adderall can also cover up traces of other PED's or banned substances, but I could be misremembering.

Yep, that's it. Makes perfect sense now.

It is on the list because It can mask anabolic steroids.

Sorry, I'm a middle aged ex-stoner, so it just seemed like a dumb thing to ban. But totally should since it is a masking agent.

I don't know about Adderall, but I know that Ritalin is an extremely commonly abused drug among high school athletes because it's a stimulant, it improves focus, and it improves hand-eye coordination.

Interesting, thanks.

 

[proninja]

I would imagine Adderall would increase the efficacy of film sessions by about 10,000. Increasing focus while on the field couldn't hurt either.

 

[jurb26]

Yeah, OK geniuses. And it is a PED in what way?So stupid - for being a banned substance, and if true, the players for taking something that doesn't even give them an edge.

I think I've read before that Adderall can also cover up traces of other PED's or banned substances, but I could be misremembering.

Yep, that's it. Makes perfect sense now.

It is on the list because It can mask anabolic steroids.

Sorry, I'm a middle aged ex-stoner, so it just seemed like a dumb thing to ban. But totally should since it is a masking agent.

I don't know about Adderall, but I know that Ritalin is an extremely commonly abused drug among high school athletes because it's a stimulant, it improves focus, and it improves hand-eye coordination.

Adderall does all of that and more. See the link I provided earlier. It absolutely should be banned and is. Not just for it's masking effects, for it's primary effects.

 

[ImTheScientist]

WOW....Im surprised so many people actually care about the Seahawks. I fully anticipate they will be cleared of the ALLEGATIONS.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

WOW....Im surprised so many people actually care about the Seahawks.

What are you talking about? It's very American to enjoy watching egotistical pro athletes being humiliated.

 

[matttyl]

WOW....Im surprised so many people actually care about the Seahawks.

What are you talking about? It's very American to enjoy watching egotistical pro athletes being humiliated.

As well as their coaching staff.

 

[mad sweeney]

WOW....Im surprised so many people actually care about the Seahawks. I fully anticipate they will be cleared of the ALLEGATIONS.

They're not allegations. They failed a test, that's a fact.

 

[Joe Summer]

Browner's test result does not surprise me. The guy had been out of the league for 5 years before suddenly making Seattle's squad out of training camp last year. That kind of comeback is exceedingly rare these days and I doubt he did it without performance-enhancers.

 

[mad sweeney]

Browner's test result does not surprise me. The guy had been out of the league for 5 years before suddenly making Seattle's squad out of training camp last year. That kind of comeback is exceedingly rare these days and I doubt he did it without performance-enhancers.

He was a top player in the CFL and had a really hard time getting up to NFL speed in the beginning. He's bigger than most corners and few coaches really rolled with that type of player. He's really not as good as his ProBowl berth indicated either, he's a beneficiary of the speed of Thomas backing him up and his size being something most WRs aren't used to dealing with. He's more surprising to me than Sherman.

 

[Hooper31]

Browner's test result does not surprise me. The guy had been out of the league for 5 years before suddenly making Seattle's squad out of training camp last year. That kind of comeback is exceedingly rare these days and I doubt he did it without performance-enhancers.

Could you expand on what "out of the league" entails? What was he doing exactly?

 

[Incogneto]

Word is taht both Browner and Sherman have said they will take a lie-detector test in the appeal process. They are both adament that there was an error in the testing.

 

[MAC_32]

Nothing official, but the rumors here are that Haden took Adderal so he could pull an all nighter in Vegas. Apparently this has become a very popular drug among this generation for exactly this purpose, partying. If this is the failed test I assume they took it for the same reason, not for a competitive advantage.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Nothing official, but the rumors here are that Haden took Adderal so he could pull an all nighter in Vegas. Apparently this has become a very popular drug among this generation for exactly this purpose, partying. If this is the failed test I assume they took it for the same reason, not for a competitive advantage.

This doesn't matter though, right? Isn't their job to keep banned substances out of their system and clear anything they might be taking with the NFL before they start using it?

 

[Joe Summer]

Browner's test result does not surprise me. The guy had been out of the league for 5 years before suddenly making Seattle's squad out of training camp last year. That kind of comeback is exceedingly rare these days and I doubt he did it without performance-enhancers.

Could you expand on what "out of the league" entails? What was he doing exactly?

He was unemployed in 2006 and then spent 2007-2010 in the CFL. He worked his way up to being a CFL All-Star but that's not saying much.

 

[treat88]

Yeah, OK geniuses. And it is a PED in what way?So stupid - for being a banned substance, and if true, the players for taking something that doesn't even give them an edge.

I think I've read before that Adderall can also cover up traces of other PED's or banned substances, but I could be misremembering.

Yep, that's it. Makes perfect sense now.

It is on the list because It can mask anabolic steroids.

Sorry, I'm a middle aged ex-stoner, so it just seemed like a dumb thing to ban. But totally should since it is a masking agent.

I don't know about Adderall, but I know that Ritalin is an extremely commonly abused drug among high school athletes because it's a stimulant, it improves focus, and it improves hand-eye coordination.

Athletes take Adderall for exactly these effects.It's an amphetamine based stimulant. Gets guys "up" to play. Increased HR, increased RR, more quick twitch excitability. Not a huge boost, but it does make guys feel mentally/physically jacked up for the game.Take a couple of OTC Primatene tabs and some Vivarin and you'll get a basic, although milder, version of Adderall.Sure seems to be lots of ADHD in the NFL all of a sudden. (sarcasm)These guys are stupid to get caught for something like this.

 

[FF Wiseguy]

Aqib Talib's four game suspension this year was for Adderall, which he did not appeal. Haden and Will Hill also were suspended four games, but it doesn't say if they appealed or not.

Talib suspended Four Games

 

[scrumptrulescent]

Browner's test result does not surprise me. The guy had been out of the league for 5 years before suddenly making Seattle's squad out of training camp last year. That kind of comeback is exceedingly rare these days and I doubt he did it without performance-enhancers.

Could you expand on what "out of the league" entails? What was he doing exactly?

He was unemployed in 2006 and then spent 2007-2010 in the CFL. He worked his way up to being a CFL All-Star but that's not saying much.

BS, I just saw Justin Bieber kicking off the Grey Cup in his weird saggy diaper type leather pants and pearl necklace. The CFL has officially arrived.FYI: Ricky Foley voted Most Valuable Canadian. (You can't make this stuff up.)

 

[MAC_32]

Nothing official, but the rumors here are that Haden took Adderal so he could pull an all nighter in Vegas. Apparently this has become a very popular drug among this generation for exactly this purpose, partying. If this is the failed test I assume they took it for the same reason, not for a competitive advantage.

This doesn't matter though, right? Isn't their job to keep banned substances out of their system and clear anything they might be taking with the NFL before they start using it?

Oh, it absolutely doesn't matter. It's on the banned list for a reason, just because the players use it for another reason does not give them a free pass.

 

[MAC_32]

Aqib Talib's four game suspension this year was for Adderall, which he did not appeal. Haden and Will Hill also were suspended four games, but it doesn't say if they appealed or not.

Talib suspended Four Games

Haden appealed, only way he'd have gotten off was if there was an error in the test taking procedue (see, Ryan Braun) or he had a perscription (he didn't). Unless Sherman or Browner can win either of those arguments they're toast, if they're smart they will drop their appeal if they're still waiting on a ruling before the week 14 game. That way they can at least make it back for the playoffs if the team finds a way to make due without them.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Word is taht both Browner and Sherman have said they will take a lie-detector test in the appeal process. They are both adament that there was an error in the testing.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Word is taht both Browner and Sherman have said they will take a lie-detector test in the appeal process. They are both adament that there was an error in the testing.

Right. And then if they fail the lie detector, they'll say there was an error with the lie detector test.

 

[treat88]

Nothing official, but the rumors here are that Haden took Adderal so he could pull an all nighter in Vegas. Apparently this has become a very popular drug among this generation for exactly this purpose, partying. If this is the failed test I assume they took it for the same reason, not for a competitive advantage.

This doesn't matter though, right? Isn't their job to keep banned substances out of their system and clear anything they might be taking with the NFL before they start using it?

Oh, it absolutely doesn't matter. It's on the banned list for a reason, just because the players use it for another reason does not give them a free pass.

Agreed.These guys all take it for a competitive advantage. Zero question.

If it is MD prescribed for ADHD, that's not something an agent is going to overlook in submitting that information to the league...at least not after the first guy gets busted.

I don't even know if the MD scrip makes it legal.

 

[Swing 51]

Nothing official, but the rumors here are that Haden took Adderal so he could pull an all nighter in Vegas. Apparently this has become a very popular drug among this generation for exactly this purpose, partying. If this is the failed test I assume they took it for the same reason, not for a competitive advantage.

This doesn't matter though, right? Isn't their job to keep banned substances out of their system and clear anything they might be taking with the NFL before they start using it?

Oh, it absolutely doesn't matter. It's on the banned list for a reason, just because the players use it for another reason does not give them a free pass.

I don't even know if the MD scrip makes it legal.

The NFL permits players to use Adderall if they secure a league exemption. Giants running back Andre Brown followed that path and was granted permission to use the drug. The league lifted Brown's potential suspension because he went through the proper channels ahead of time.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000091918/article/will-hill-nfls-ban-of-adderall-could-cause-problems

 

[treat88]

Nothing official, but the rumors here are that Haden took Adderal so he could pull an all nighter in Vegas. Apparently this has become a very popular drug among this generation for exactly this purpose, partying. If this is the failed test I assume they took it for the same reason, not for a competitive advantage.

This doesn't matter though, right? Isn't their job to keep banned substances out of their system and clear anything they might be taking with the NFL before they start using it?

Oh, it absolutely doesn't matter. It's on the banned list for a reason, just because the players use it for another reason does not give them a free pass.

I don't even know if the MD scrip makes it legal.

The NFL permits players to use Adderall if they secure a league exemption. Giants running back Andre Brown followed that path and was granted permission to use the drug. The league lifted Brown's potential suspension because he went through the proper channels ahead of time.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000091918/article/will-hill-nfls-ban-of-adderall-could-cause-problems

Cool beans. No exemption = suspension.

 

[rockaction]

If this holds, goodbye Seattle. Losing your two top corners? Brutal.

 

[SSOG]

Lance Armstrong sure had a lot of errors in his tests, too.

 

[Banger]

What are the chances that two guys on the same team that play the same position both have test errors?

 

[rockaction]

Bump Kaepernick for Week 16?

 

[fridayfrenzy]

What are the chances that two guys on the same team that play the same position both have test errors?

Three CBs now.Winston Guy was just suspended as well.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

They are appealing and will see reduced games.

how do you know that they will see a reduction?

I'm speculating, though Haden loosing his appeal is making me think twice.

didnt sound like speculation...

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Having seen Sherman play a lot in college, I was somewhat surprised that he made an NFL roster, let alone became an above average starter.

Maybe this has something to do with it...

Adderall probably doesn't turn a player into a dominant CB after being a mediocre WR in college. LINK

UPDATE: Mike Garafolo reports that he heard that the drug was Adderall, as basically everyone thought it would be. Sherman and Browner must have had a big test tomorrow that they were studying for and couldn't concentrate!

HFSWhy is that even banned? It that is what they took this is really, really stupid on many levels.

because methaamphetamine salts (generic name for adderall on my script bottle) is essentially speed, especially so in people who don't have the chemical imbalance that adderall seeks to fix. I think the PED ban is stupid anyway. waste of time and money, not to mention that it harms players careers/cuts the short. Plus the way testing is, its usually a few years behind anyways, so its largely ineffective. the 'real cheaters'often get away, and its the idiots who have bad agents and dont file paperwork who get caught.

 

[Bad_Mo]

I hope Tom Brady posts on his twitter

Of course it's the guy with the loudest twitter-mouth.

U MAD BANNED BRO?

fixed

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Yeah, OK geniuses. And it is a PED in what way?So stupid - for being a banned substance, and if true, the players for taking something that doesn't even give them an edge.

I think I've read before that Adderall can also cover up traces of other PED's or banned substances, but I could be misremembering.

Yep, that's it. Makes perfect sense now.

It is on the list because It can mask anabolic steroids.

Sorry, I'm a middle aged ex-stoner, so it just seemed like a dumb thing to ban. But totally should since it is a masking agent.

Im not sure if this is true or not, but its on the list b/c its a crazy stimulant and stimulants are banned. I think if it wasnt for the ADA i bet they would have banned it outright.

 

[Concept Coop]

Anyone know if the players can use Adderall with a prescription? It seems like an easy drug to get script for, based on my personal experience. I take it legitimately and have my entire adulthood. If I remember correctly, I pretty much just had to tell me doctor my symptoms. While I was honest, it would have been easy for me to lie.

As far as it being an advantage, I don't see it. I practice Muay Thai and hate when I can still feel the effects of Adderall. I feel too "zoned in" and sports are fluid activities. I don't know how better to explain it than that, but I personally don't feel like it would be an advantage for me. The ability to think and move freely and with fluidity would seem like a plus to me.

 

[treat88]

There is some thought that the substance was not actually Adderall.

The league does not specifically announce what substance guys get busted for.

The thought goes that it is better for the player to announce that is was Adderall than fess up to what the substance actually was.

I have no clue if that has any validity.

 

[Banger]

What are the chances that two guys on the same team that play the same position both have test errors?

Three CBs now.Winston Guy was just suspended as well.

haha...even better.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

There is some thought that the substance was not actually Adderall.

The league does not specifically announce what substance guys get busted for.

The thought goes that it is better for the player to announce that is was Adderall than fess up to what the substance actually was.

I have no clue if that has any validity.

Is Adderall becoming the new excuse for steroids users?

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/31/is-adderall-becoming-the-new-excuse-for-steroids-users/

 

[I-LoveRB's]

Browner's test result does not surprise me. The guy had been out of the league for 5 years before suddenly making Seattle's squad out of training camp last year. That kind of comeback is exceedingly rare these days and I doubt he did it without performance-enhancers.

Could you expand on what "out of the league" entails? What was he doing exactly?

He was unemployed in 2006 and then spent 2007-2010 in the CFL. He worked his way up to being a CFL All-Star but that's not saying much.

Jerrell Freeman and Cameron Wake must be on performance enhancers too right?

 

[FF Wiseguy]

Another CB bites the dust. Definitely lends credence to the theory of calling it Adderall instead of the real substance to protect players' reputations.

CB Eric Wright of Tampa Bay suspended 4 games

"Fox Sports reported several weeks ago that Wright would be suspended for using Adderall. "

 

[MAC_32]

Anyone know if the players can use Adderall with a prescription?

Yes, but they have to go through more NFL hoops to get approval. Don't know specifics, but Andre Brown is a case of compliance.

 

[Concept Coop]

Anyone know if the players can use Adderall with a prescription?

Yes, but they have to go through more NFL hoops to get approval. Don't know specifics, but Andre Brown is a case of compliance.

Cool. Thanks. I have a hard time seeing how they could legally allow it for some, and deny others.

 

[mad sweeney]

Anyone know if the players can use Adderall with a prescription?

Yes, but they have to go through more NFL hoops to get approval. Don't know specifics, but Andre Brown is a case of compliance.

Cool. Thanks. I have a hard time seeing how they could legally allow it for some, and deny others.

Some use it because it's medically necessary, some use it for no reason other than as a PED.

 

[ichris]

Adderall is an amphetamine, aka speed.

It's by definition performance enhancing.

 

[money.never.sleeps]

The problem I have is if these players were taking adderall why didnt they just go through the process with the league so they could take it and not be suspended? Makes no sense.

Another question I have is these guys KNOW when they'll be drug tested and adderall will clear your system within 3 days if taken sporadically. Ive read that the testing is random but still, these players knew they could be tested.

The other issue is if these guys were taking something else (steroids) and come out and say they took adderall the league cannot say if its the truth or a lie which is bogus. Obviously steroids have a much more negative stigma than adderall but I would at least like to know the truth.

I ate adderall like candy in college. It works very well for retaining information and motivation to accomplish tasks but I can tell you that it can also have negative side affects while doing anything that entails athletics. (nausea, muscle cramps, dehydration) Obviously dosage is key but again, I dont understand why a player wouldnt just get a script and go through the league process if he wanted to take it.

 

[proninja]

lol

 

[Sea Duck]

There is some thought that the substance was not actually Adderall.

The league does not specifically announce what substance guys get busted for.

The thought goes that it is better for the player to announce that is was Adderall than fess up to what the substance actually was.

I have no clue if that has any validity.

Mike Florio commented on this last summer: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/31/is-adderall-becoming-the-new-excuse-for-steroids-users/It's easy for players to claim it was Adderall because the NFL is not allowed to state which drug it actually was.

 

[mad sweeney]

lol

Cool, get another teammate in trouble. Pretty sure that even if it's legitimately prescribed, no Dr prescribes it for crushing up into a drink around game time.

 

[Max Power]

lol

Cool, get another teammate in trouble. Pretty sure that even if it's legitimately prescribed, no Dr prescribes it for crushing up into a drink around game time.

I have crush up my dog's pills and put them in some lunch meat. Never even thought about the waterbowl before.