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Shane Vereen, Percy Harvin, Any injured players cut you planning on gr (1 Viewer)

Own all three. Looking forward to the boost as the year rolls on and the playoffs arrive. I can afford the roster space and am not in despiration mode so it works for me. Blackmon is back next week. Harvin in week seven, maybe. Vereen comes back week 12 and .... Playoffs here we come!

 
... Per a league source, Harvin’s return to New York actually means he’s doing extremely well in his effort to recover from surgery to repair a hip problem that was flagged in his training camp physical. But that doesn’t mean we’ll see him in Week Seven, or soon thereafter.

Per a league source, Harvin’s return to New York actually means he’s doing extremely well in his effort to recover from surgery to repair a hip problem that was flagged in his training camp physical. But that doesn’t mean we’ll see him in Week Seven, or soon thereafter.

The challenge for Carroll and G.M. John Schneider will be to determine the right time to bring Harvin back. If the team, which could go to 4-0 for the first time in franchise history on Sunday, continues to thrive without Harvin, the powers-that-be may be inclined to unleash him, Kraken-style, as late as possible, with an eye toward getting maximum pop in the postseason.

For players on the reserve/Physically Unable to Perform list, the return to practice can happen anywhere from after Week Six to after Week 11. Once at practice, a three-week window opens to put the player on the active roster or shut him down.

It means that Harvin can be placed on the 53-man roster as early as Week Seven, and that he must be placed on the 53-man roster at the latest by Week 15.

Even if he’s on the active roster, they don’t have to play him. By Week 15, the Seahawks could have clinched home-field advantage throughout the playoffs.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/09/28/harvins-return-could-be-delayed-by-seahawks-success/

This all seems pretty iffy.

Another concern is how Wilson has been scoring FF-wise. There has not been much there outside of the Jax game. I'm really surprised. Even if Harvin comes back week 7 this offense may not look like some thought it was going to look.

In addition given all this it would not surprise me if the Hawks waited until week 13 after the bye, vs NO, to roll him out, just pure speculation, but if things are going so well, and they are, the rational choice for SEA might be to wait until he is fully healthy or as long as possible. You will also have to wait a week maybe to see if he gets in full time when all is said and done.

Closing with NYG & ARI is nice, the NO game could be a shootout, but @SF week 14 is not so great.

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Vereen is another matter altogether, he was looking like a top 10 back week 1, but imagine all teh week 1 wonders out there and where are they now. I've been holding because I am so RB hungry and because it seems like the injury was not so bad and once he's healthy he can pop right in there in week 11.

The closing schedule does not look too promising for RBs either.

11 11/18 @CAR - - - - - 12 11/24 DEN - - - - - 13 12/1 @HOU - - - - - 14 12/8 CLE - - - - - 15 12/15 @MIA - - - - - 16 12/22 @BAL
 
The Seahawks offense hasnt looked spectacular and it almost cost them a game this week. If that trend continues I look for Harvin to be on the field in week 7.

 
IF Harvin comes back fully healthy, he will make a difference for Seattle's offense. There is no one even close to his talent level on that WR corps. It's a double edged sword though, b/c they need him but rushing him could blow up in their faces. I suspect that given their salary cap investment, they will take the long view and wait as long as possible. Being 4-0 without him helps a lot and furthers my expectation that they will tread cautiously. I think seeing him prior to week 13 may be in doubt, unless they start losing some games or he actually gets to 100% healthy before then.

 
IF Harvin comes back fully healthy, he will make a difference for Seattle's offense. There is no one even close to his talent level on that WR corps. It's a double edged sword though, b/c they need him but rushing him could blow up in their faces. I suspect that given their salary cap investment, they will take the long view and wait as long as possible. Being 4-0 without him helps a lot and furthers my expectation that they will tread cautiously. I think seeing him prior to week 13 may be in doubt, unless they start losing some games or he actually gets to 100% healthy before then.
Unless New Orleans start losing they will won't play it ultra safe with him, they want home field advantage.

 
They need to worry about their own games and not New Orleans. The Seahawks are perfectly capable of losing on their own regardless of their little win streak. It almost blew up in their faces last week if it were not for captain Doofus throwing them a gimme defensive touchdown.

 
Yeah he could return to the practice field after week 6. Not sure when he would be ready for a game. week 7 at the soonest against the Titans?

 
So who is the better pickup and stash right now -- Vereen or Harvin?

Not sure I agree that the notion of "saving" Harvin is a worthwhile one for the Hawks to consider. Would imagine it would take a few games to knock off the rust, and it's not as if Russell and Harvin have years of chemistry that they can just click right away. If I was the Seahawks, would get Percy in there as soon as I'm comfortable that he can play at full contact speed, knowing that he'll need a few games to get into the groove -- regardless of what the record is. Waiting until after their bye may be too late to count on Harvin hitting stride when he's needed most.

Back to my own question, Harvin has the better opportunity to be a focal point of an offense from the get-go, and has the talent to go with it. Vereen has the talent, but will be less of a centerpiece and more of a cog -- though arguably the biggest one -- in the overall Pats offense.

Vereen seems to have an injury a back could simply overcome right away. Harvin's injury seems more detrimental to his game, and it's not as if he's known to be a rugged durable guy to begin with.

Who do you think will make for a better stash, and result in being more of a help to your team down the stretch?

 
Harvin is going to be back as soon as week 7, Vereen no sooner than week 11. I have already stashed Harvin and plan on grabbing Vereen in week 9. Personally in the playoffs I think playoffs Vereen will be the better stash but its close.

 
Have there been any reports or references to his status and Percy Harvin's progress? I have had him stashed for a while. I have the same thought that the sooner they get him back to game speed the better they will be off in the playoffs. Granted it needs to be safe for him to get back, but isnt that what medical clearance is :) .

 
I think harvin over Vereen. Just to many rbs in ne while harvin would be the guy next to lynch in Seattle.

 
When would be a good time to scoop up Harvin? This week, next week?

My WRs right now are Dez, Garcon, Roddy, MWilliams, and Givens. I'd consider dropping Givens for Harvin. Just not sure when the righ time to pounce is.

 
Harvin is going to be back as soon as week 7, Vereen no sooner than week 11. I have already stashed Harvin and plan on grabbing Vereen in week 9. Personally in the playoffs I think playoffs Vereen will be the better stash but its close.
I sure hope you're right on Harvin but where are you seeing/hearing those reports? or is this just your feeling?

 
When would be a good time to scoop up Harvin? This week, next week?

My WRs right now are Dez, Garcon, Roddy, MWilliams, and Givens. I'd consider dropping Givens for Harvin. Just not sure when the righ time to pounce is.
The right time to pounce is before anyone else in your league does. Really. There is no better answer than that.

 
When would be a good time to scoop up Harvin? This week, next week?

My WRs right now are Dez, Garcon, Roddy, MWilliams, and Givens. I'd consider dropping Givens for Harvin. Just not sure when the righ time to pounce is.
The right time to pounce is before anyone else in your league does. Really. There is no better answer than that.
Yeah it's just hard to tell because there hasn't been much news on him at all. Last I heard anything was when he sent out his tweet saying be ready for Week 7.

 
How much value do you think does a healthy P Harvin have? It does not look like they are passing a lot and with that defense they can run their opponents into the ground with Lynch.

 
How much value do you think does a healthy P Harvin have? It does not look like they are passing a lot and with that defense they can run their opponents into the ground with Lynch.
I think if he's healthy he'll be a WR1 - top 10-12 type of guy

 
Harvin is going to be back as soon as week 7, Vereen no sooner than week 11. I have already stashed Harvin and plan on grabbing Vereen in week 9. Personally in the playoffs I think playoffs Vereen will be the better stash but its close.
I sure hope you're right on Harvin but where are you seeing/hearing those reports? or is this just your feeling?
http://nfl.si.com/2013/09/04/percy-harvin-injury-return-seattle-seahawks/

http://fantasynews.cbssports.com/fantasyfootball/players/playerpage/1114598/percy-harvin

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/9/28/4780376/percy-harvin-injury-seahawks-recovery

 
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Harvin is going to be back as soon as week 7, Vereen no sooner than week 11. I have already stashed Harvin and plan on grabbing Vereen in week 9. Personally in the playoffs I think playoffs Vereen will be the better stash but its close.
I sure hope you're right on Harvin but where are you seeing/hearing those reports? or is this just your feeling?
http://nfl.si.com/2013/09/04/percy-harvin-injury-return-seattle-seahawks/

http://fantasynews.cbssports.com/fantasyfootball/players/playerpage/1114598/percy-harvin

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/9/28/4780376/percy-harvin-injury-seahawks-recovery
I would expect a guy who plans to play in two weeks to be a bit more conspicuous than Harvin seems to be right now(?)

 
I own Spiller. I got offered FJax for Harvin. I dont think Im going to do it but I wouldnt mind getting a hold of FJax some other way. This guy has had a boner for Harvin all year though.

 
Harvin is going to be back as soon as week 7, Vereen no sooner than week 11. I have already stashed Harvin and plan on grabbing Vereen in week 9. Personally in the playoffs I think playoffs Vereen will be the better stash but its close.
I sure hope you're right on Harvin but where are you seeing/hearing those reports? or is this just your feeling?
http://nfl.si.com/2013/09/04/percy-harvin-injury-return-seattle-seahawks/

http://fantasynews.cbssports.com/fantasyfootball/players/playerpage/1114598/percy-harvin

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/9/28/4780376/percy-harvin-injury-seahawks-recovery
sure didn't see anything on any of those that seem like he's going to be playing in 2 or 3 weeks. 1st link is from September 4th..

 
There is nothing that indicates he will absolutely take the field in 2 to 3 weeks as you said. He is very eager to play and is ahead of schedule in his rehab and is doing very well. The rest is speculation and how badly the Seahawks need him to play. I think the suggestions that the Seahawks can continue to win without all their weapons is ridiculous and they wouldn't risk it when other teams are doing well in the home field advantage race. Thats the key IMO.

 
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Harvin is going to be back as soon as week 7, Vereen no sooner than week 11. I have already stashed Harvin and plan on grabbing Vereen in week 9. Personally in the playoffs I think playoffs Vereen will be the better stash but its close.
I sure hope you're right on Harvin but where are you seeing/hearing those reports? or is this just your feeling?
http://nfl.si.com/2013/09/04/percy-harvin-injury-return-seattle-seahawks/

http://fantasynews.cbssports.com/fantasyfootball/players/playerpage/1114598/percy-harvin

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/9/28/4780376/percy-harvin-injury-seahawks-recovery
sure didn't see anything on any of those that seem like he's going to be playing in 2 or 3 weeks. 1st link is from September 4th..
And the 3rd link says the general consensus is Thanksgiving.

 
That is what it says, but then again where are they getting that from? Its just a guess isn't it? The only people who know are Harvin, The Doctors and the Seahawks. If you do not want to scoop up Harvin until November then that is up to you and he may still be on your waiver wire then maybe not. I'm not taking my chances because my WR's pretty much suck and he will be a welcome addition when he is ready to go. If thats week 8,9 or 11 thats fine by me.

 
At some point, somebody is going to put Harvin on their roster. If you want it to be you, think about doing it soon. You know that feeling when you look back and you say to yourself "F, I should have grabbed that guy and just sucked up the roster spot for a few weeks." That's how you'll feel if somebody else gets him. And he could be immediately a WR1/2 kind of guy. I bet in most leagues the deepest roster spot is nowhere near what Harvin could bring to your team. He's probably even worth cutting a handcuff outside of a Tate or someone like that.

 
We should start getting a better feel for when his return will be soon. I'm still holding, but if there's a negative news release upcoming then I'll dump him.

 
They're saying mid-November of Crabtree. Anyone heard anything other than about Week 11?
I've heard the same for Crabtree. Mario Manningham is due back for the Niners in the coming weeks. Does anyone foresee production from Manningham?

 
Im holding on to Harvin for now. But my team is absolutely loaded at WR. My problem spot is RB and two of my starts are on bye week 12.

Sho should I be eyeing? Vereen, Andre Brown are still on the waiver wire. Which one is the better play and wont be deflated by a freakin' RBBC?

 
Im holding on to Harvin for now. But my team is absolutely loaded at WR. My problem spot is RB and two of my starts are on bye week 12.

Sho should I be eyeing? Vereen, Andre Brown are still on the waiver wire. Which one is the better play and wont be deflated by a freakin' RBBC?
I have shallow benches and am still rostering vereen and harvin. Will it be the right call? Only time will tell.

 
Im holding on to Harvin for now. But my team is absolutely loaded at WR. My problem spot is RB and two of my starts are on bye week 12.

Sho should I be eyeing? Vereen, Andre Brown are still on the waiver wire. Which one is the better play and wont be deflated by a freakin' RBBC?
PPR - Vereen, Non PPR - closer but might be Vereen as well.

 
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Seems like the stars are aligning for a return before thanksgiving.

Demaryius Thomas, Brandon Marshall, Percy Harvin, Josh Gordon, Keenan Allen, Steve Smith, Reuben Randle, Golden Tate

...yet I sit with Murray and Gio Beranrd as my RB starters.....you'd think I could get another RB1 with some combination of these folks, no?

 
Seems like the stars are aligning for a return before thanksgiving.

Demaryius Thomas, Brandon Marshall, Percy Harvin, Josh Gordon, Keenan Allen, Steve Smith, Reuben Randle, Golden Tate

...yet I sit with Murray and Gio Beranrd as my RB starters.....you'd think I could get another RB1 with some combination of these folks, no?
Sure, if it included Thomas or Marshall.. otherwise no

 
So youre telling me Josh Gordon, an emerging Allen and Harvin (later in the year) who are all WR1, are worth peanuts? lets be serious. A team hurting for WR's would be foolish not to take Gordon + Allen or Smith for a low end RB1 or RB2.

Maybe I'm too high on Gordon, hence why I havent tried dealing him yet....but hes a top 10 fantasy WR in my book

 
Man, I really hope Harvin is coming back soon. That would be so helpful on two teams. I know no one cares, but I have one league with a deep bench (keeper too) where holding Harvin has not been an issue, but the other one with the short bench has been tough. Sucks that in that PPR start 3 WR with one flex I had the potential to roll out Julio, Demaryius, Blackmon and Harvin before Julio got hurt. I waited 4 weeks on Blackmon and lost Julio before even having a chance with Harvin.

On the FF projection side, I think Seattle and Wilson will use Harvin a lot more than their other receivers. I think the short passes where Harvin gets to run like he did in Minny will be easy for Wilson to throw. I can easily see him being a PPR machine and a WR1.

 
So youre telling me Josh Gordon, an emerging Allen and Harvin (later in the year) who are all WR1, are worth peanuts? lets be serious. A team hurting for WR's would be foolish not to take Gordon + Allen or Smith for a low end RB1 or RB2.

Maybe I'm too high on Gordon, hence why I havent tried dealing him yet....but hes a top 10 fantasy WR in my book
I wouldn't even think of giving u one of my rb1s unless you're talking D. Thomas or Brandon Marshall
 
So youre telling me Josh Gordon, an emerging Allen and Harvin (later in the year) who are all WR1, are worth peanuts? lets be serious. A team hurting for WR's would be foolish not to take Gordon + Allen or Smith for a low end RB1 or RB2.

Maybe I'm too high on Gordon, hence why I havent tried dealing him yet....but hes a top 10 fantasy WR in my book
Sounds like you tried and failed to get a RB so maybe you're the one being foolish.

 
I drafted Blackmom for $1 and Harvin for $1 in my keepers league $200 cap. I can keep those guys for 4 years. I waited until everyone in my draft to not have any money and then I grabbed them both. Put Harvin on my IR and we have 4 total IR spots so I also grabbed Lattimore $1 and I picked up Brown for $7 after someone dropped him. So far Blackmon for $1 is worth it just after his 1 week play. I figure Harvin will pay off next year. Brown comes back against Oakland and with Wilson struggling I see Brown being HUGE down the stretch. Lattimore is the only real gamble.

 
So youre telling me Josh Gordon, an emerging Allen and Harvin (later in the year) who are all WR1, are worth peanuts? lets be serious. A team hurting for WR's would be foolish not to take Gordon + Allen or Smith for a low end RB1 or RB2.

Maybe I'm too high on Gordon, hence why I havent tried dealing him yet....but hes a top 10 fantasy WR in my book
who the hell are you trying to convince?

 
So youre telling me Josh Gordon, an emerging Allen and Harvin (later in the year) who are all WR1, are worth peanuts? lets be serious. A team hurting for WR's would be foolish not to take Gordon + Allen or Smith for a low end RB1 or RB2.

Maybe I'm too high on Gordon, hence why I havent tried dealing him yet....but hes a top 10 fantasy WR in my book
No, not worth RB1s

 
Im trying to convince anyone who think otherwise. What a peanut gallery we have here

I guess I'll just be laughing all the way to the championship with a 5-headed WR1 monster. No sweat, just my leagues loss. You guys are fine

 
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Im trying to convince anyone who think otherwise. What a peanut gallery we have here

I guess I'll just be laughing all the way to the championship with a 5-headed WR1 monster. No sweat, just my leagues loss. You guys are fine
You're on an internet forum devoted to fantasy football, which almost by definition is a peanut gallery.

You come into a thread created for meaningful and broad discussion on a couple players, and highjack the thread to get some commentary on your own team that no one cares about. Don't get butthurt when people provide commentary you don't want to hear. You should be happy they just didn't ignore it entirely and actually gave you input.

Serious question: How does removing a WR from the team in favor of a LB necessarily show that it has something to do with Harvin's return? It seems to me it would demonstrate they just had a higher need at the LB position, at least for this game, and the marginal, journeyman WR they dropped wasn't important and likely replaceable need be. Am I wrong here?

 
I drafted Vereen and have held him, and I just grabbed Harvin from waivers. Personally, I'm tired of holding low ceiling guys all year on my bench (Hartline, for example) and then watching my team get smoked in round one of the playoffs. It's risky, but I'm gunning for a home run this year and am willing to take the chance on a player with a high ceiling.

As others have said, the decision to carry them comes down to your bench size and how well your team is doing. If all things are equal with your roster and you have to decide between the two, I think Vereen is the call simply because his injury seems a little more "safe" to me, if that makes any sense. I truly believe he will be fresh and ready to go before the fantasy playoffs. Harvin's injury is much more of a toss-up. It wouldn't surprise me at all if he comes back strong, or barely/never sees the field at all.

 

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