Shane Vereen, Percy Harvin, Any injured players cut you planning on gr (1 Viewer)

[Sabertooth]

Another player to roster right now is Nate Burleson. He didn't injure his legs and he was getting consistent targets before he got hurt. I'm not sure if he's out of his cast yet but with the Packers, Eagles, Ravens, and Giants from Weeks 13-16 you have to like his chances to be a playoff producer.

 

[Sir Psycho]

So youre telling me Josh Gordon, an emerging Allen and Harvin (later in the year) who are all WR1, are worth peanuts? lets be serious. A team hurting for WR's would be foolish not to take Gordon + Allen or Smith for a low end RB1 or RB2.

Maybe I'm too high on Gordon, hence why I havent tried dealing him yet....but hes a top 10 fantasy WR in my book

Sold Spiller for Gordon 2 weeks ago.

 

[Sir Psycho]

Made a trade yesterday to the Julio Jone's owner:

Gave up:

Harvin

V Davis

J Edelman

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Jimmy Graham !

Hankerson

Redman

 

[rascal]

Thoughts on trying to decide between Vereen and Brown?

 

[Ghoti]

Thoughts on trying to decide between Vereen and Brown?

I am higher on Vereen, especially in PPR leagues. Both will split time, but I think Vereen's skillset is much different than Ridley's compared to similar skillsets for Brown/Wilson. I really don't think Brown will do much better than Wilson has.

 

[VA703]

vereen over brown all day.. better team and vereen has showed us what hes capable of

 

[PhantomJB]

I think people are overvaluing Vereen as a "stash" based on week one's performance. He's nowhere near Harvin or maybe even Crabtree in terms of potential value once he comes back.

Sure, Vereen played well but didn't get his first touch until almost mid-way through the 2nd quarter (all Ridley and even Blount until then) and did most of his damage after Ridley had his fumbling issues.

In addition, Bolden was out with a knee injury and NE was playing BUF who is currently ranked 30th against the run.

In Vereen's best case, Ridley and Bolden's injury issues will catch up with them and Vereen will come back to a wide open backfield with only Blount the Plodder to compete with for touches.

However, if all four RB's are healthy then Vereen will have competition from all three other RB's for touches in all phases of the running game (primary carries, GL carries and 3rd down/COP) in what would be the league's worst RBBC situation.

Sure, Vereen will have value and so could be worth holding onto but I just think expectations are way too high since he was the only NE RB to have a decent game in Week One. Since that is the last data point many people are just assuming he takes over that backfield when he returns.

 

[Ghoti]

With Vereen, it's more about the catches than the carries. In a PPR league I believe he will be quite valuable. In non-PPR, perhaps not so much.

 

[Wrigley]

Was able to get Percy in this weeks waiver run

Woot Woot!!!!

 

[I Love Your Fantasy Team]

Harvin, Brown, Gronk

 

[PhantomJB]

With Vereen, it's more about the catches than the carries. In a PPR league I believe he will be quite valuable. In non-PPR, perhaps not so much.

You don't think Bolden will be competing for some those catches? Vereen is the more talented back and will likely get the majority but my one of my points is Bolden is now in the picture whereas he wasn't in Week One nor really most of last year. I don't think Vereen will just relegate Bolden to the bench.

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

Sure, Vereen played well but didn't get his first touch until almost mid-way through the 2nd quarter (all Ridley and even Blount until then) and did most of his damage after Ridley had his fumbling issues.

QTR1:

3rd and 8 at BUF 48 (Shotgun) T.Brady pass short middle to S.Vereen to BUF 39 for 9 yards (J.Rogers). Dump pass, caught at BUF 45.

Not going to access Rewind at work, but I'm sure he was on the field on at least 3rd downs previous to that point..

I don't see 'many' people saying he'll take over the backfield. And why would he when he didn't make it through Week 1 with a substantial workload? I think 'many' believe he'll reprise the joker role they'd set out for him to begin the year. And in a PPR (at the least), will have value. Even Bolden (who isn't the receiver, athlete or football player Vereen is) currently has PPR value.

Long term Bolden isn't a threat to Vereen's receiving role. He's a bigger threat to rushing roles of Ridley/Blount (likely the latter as Bolden offers a more versatile skillset).

 

[PhantomJB]

Sure, Vereen played well but didn't get his first touch until almost mid-way through the 2nd quarter (all Ridley and even Blount until then) and did most of his damage after Ridley had his fumbling issues.

QTR1:

3rd and 8 at BUF 48(Shotgun) T.Brady pass short middle to S.Vereen to BUF 39 for 9 yards (J.Rogers). Dump pass, caught at BUF 45.

Not going to access Rewind at work, but I'm sure he was on the field on at least 3rd downs previous to that point..

I don't see 'many' people saying he'll take over the backfield. And why would he when he didn't make it through Week 1 with a substantial workload? I think 'many' believe he'll reprise the joker role they'd set out for him to begin the year. And in a PPR (at the least), will have value. Even Bolden (who isn't the receiver, athlete or football player Vereen is) currently has PPR value.

Long term Bolden isn't a threat to Vereen's receiving role. He's a bigger threat to rushing roles of Ridley/Blount (likely the latter as Bolden offers a more versatile skillset).

Good catch on the earlier Q1 touch.

My main point is that occupying bench spots for such a long time should be reserved for "difference makers." I wouldn't at all deny Vereen would have some value when he returns but in the meantime every week you may have to forego making a run at upside guys like Keenan Allen, Andre Ellington, or maybe even lower-ceiling guys like Zach Stacy and McGahee who could add some value along the way.

In deep leagues, sure hold onto Vereen. But in average/short bench leagues there is opportunity cost and just don't think Vereen will such a difference maker he is worth foregoing week-to-week chances to go after similar if not greater late-season value.

 

[Breesisdaman]

http://www.seahawks.com/news/articles/article-hawkmailbag/HawksMailbag---October-8-Whats-going-on-with-Percy-Harvin/8e853efa-049a-453e-b75b-ecdee2b6cf80

Coach Pete Carroll quoted as saying Harvin returning to active lineup in week 7 thursday night game against the Cardinals was "Not realistic" , I am betting week 8 might be a bit more realistic with two weeks of practice with the team Week 8 is Monday night game against the Rams so hopefully his status is clear so he can be in lineups.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

http://www.seahawks.com/news/articles/article-hawkmailbag/HawksMailbag---October-8-Whats-going-on-with-Percy-Harvin/8e853efa-049a-453e-b75b-ecdee2b6cf80

Coach Pete Carroll quoted as saying Harvin returning to active lineup in week 7 game against the Cardinals was "Not realistic" , perhaps so, Harvin does have to learn the offense after all. I am betting week 8 might be a bit more realistic though.

week 7 isnt but week8 is? did you stay at a holiday Inn last night. his injury was pretty bad and Im not sure the Seattle offense will feature him, heck none of their WR are startable now even in deep leagues

 

[Breesisdaman]

You are correct sir. Thank me later

 

[Arwald]

I think Brown is a better stash then Vereen, he will be the feature back of the Giants once he returns and Wilson is out for the season.

With regards to the Harvin comment, noone thought he would be back in week 7 'cause its the TNF game. He will be a good player weeks 10-16 though.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

http://www.seahawks.com/news/articles/article-hawkmailbag/HawksMailbag---October-8-Whats-going-on-with-Percy-Harvin/8e853efa-049a-453e-b75b-ecdee2b6cf80

Coach Pete Carroll quoted as saying Harvin returning to active lineup in week 7 game against the Cardinals was "Not realistic" , perhaps so, Harvin does have to learn the offense after all. I am betting week 8 might be a bit more realistic though.

week 7 isnt but week8 is? did you stay at a holiday Inn last night. his injury was pretty bad and Im not sure the Seattle offense will feature him, heck none of their WR are startable now even in deep leagues

This is what's getting me.

This week was fairly high scoring, but Wilson still just completes 15 passes for roughly 200 yards. Yes 2 TDs, but generally this year it's been a defense & run oriented gameplan.

However weeks 13 (NO), 15 (@NYG) and 16 (AZ) could be great, while week 14 (@SF) could be a dud. But NO is the one game that promises the same kind of hope of a keep-up kind of pace.

 

[Breesisdaman]

What is the time table on Andre Brown?

 

[tdhartis]

What is the time table on Andre Brown?

Eligible to return after Week 10 (Giant's bye), and should be good to go Week 11. Already running.

 

[WGMATATS]

Managed to pick up Harvin on waivers this week. I honestly think people in my league forgot about him. Probably due to everyone dealing with RB issues and the good luck with WRs. It's a 10-team league so nobody has really struggled at the WR position yet.

I've had success with DJax, Cobb, Gordon and TY so far. Dealt TY, Gordon, and Demarco Murray in a 3-team deal that game me Marshawn, LBell and Blackmon.

Just hope that DJax, Cobb & Blackmon can produce enough to get me through to Harvin's return. I have Peyton Manning, so it hasn't been that stressful.

Great thread. Definitely helped me out with my decision to pick up Harvin.

 

[bleachercreacher]

http://www.seahawks.com/news/articles/article-hawkmailbag/HawksMailbag---October-8-Whats-going-on-with-Percy-Harvin/8e853efa-049a-453e-b75b-ecdee2b6cf80

Coach Pete Carroll quoted as saying Harvin returning to active lineup in week 7 game against the Cardinals was "Not realistic" , perhaps so, Harvin does have to learn the offense after all. I am betting week 8 might be a bit more realistic though.

week 7 isnt but week8 is? did you stay at a holiday Inn last night. his injury was pretty bad and Im not sure the Seattle offense will feature him, heck none of their WR are startable now even in deep leagues

This is what's getting me.

This week was fairly high scoring, but Wilson still just completes 15 passes for roughly 200 yards. Yes 2 TDs, but generally this year it's been a defense & run oriented gameplan.

However weeks 13 (NO), 15 (@NYG) and 16 (AZ) could be great, while week 14 (@SF) could be a dud. But NO is the one game that promises the same kind of hope of a keep-up kind of pace.

It all depends on how Seattle decides to use him. He produced in a lot worse situation last year. If Seattle uses him properly he could be huge, but if they don't, he's a dud. Worth the risk for an add off the waiver wire.

 

[Ilov80s]

Added Harvin this week, plan gabbing Vareen back next week.

 

[the spanker]

Already grabbed Vereen and Brown for the stretch run later. Both or either one of these guys could be a difference maker.

I'd rather grab them now then take a chance of not getting them later.

 

[Future Sox DOc]

Anyone know when (or if) the 49'ers have to decide to move Lattimore to IR? He is taking up a bench spot on my team. I obviously would love to keep him, just afraid of a roster squeeze may force me to make a decision that I don't like.

 

[nb009]

Anyone know when (or if) the 49'ers have to decide to move Lattimore to IR? He is taking up a bench spot on my team. I obviously would love to keep him, just afraid of a roster squeeze may force me to make a decision that I don't like.

Dude, unless this is a dynasty league, Lattimore has no business being rostered.

 

[gradin123]

It is always hard to tell how a receiver will fit into a new team at the best of times. Given the fact Harvin is coming off a pretty big injury when and if he does return I wouldn't expect an immediate impact. I think he will be eased in, It also remains to seen whether the Seahawks will use him as a runner as much as the Vikings did. I suspect they won't at least at first.

Beyond that, I think Wilson is the type of QB that spreads the wealth like Drew Brees but only he isn't as good as Brees yet and the Sehawks are still primarily a run first team unless the game score dictates otherwise.

IMO, Harvin is not worth a add this year as he probably will only truly be useful very late in the season.

 

[Ilov80s]

It is always hard to tell how a receiver will fit into a new team at the best of times. Given the fact Harvin is coming off a pretty big injury when and if he does return I wouldn't expect an immediate impact. I think he will be eased in, It also remains to seen whether the Seahawks will use him as a runner as much as the Vikings did. I suspect they won't at least at first.

Beyond that, I think Wilson is the type of QB that spreads the wealth like Drew Brees but only he isn't as good as Brees yet and the Sehawks are still primarily a run first team unless the game score dictates otherwise.

IMO, Harvin is not worth a add this year as he probably will only truly be useful very late in the season.

I agree with everything you say. However, if you can add Harvin for free now, why not? You can always cut him later if you really need the roster spot for someone else. I am just holding and waiting for the playoffs. I figure by weeks 14, 15, 16 we will know what Harvin is this year. There is a realistic possibility that Harvin will be performing well enough (and factor in other WRs that get hurt), to be ranked as WR20-30 over the last 4 weeks of the year. That could be an upgrade to your playoff lineup in a flex or WR3 spot. It could save you if say you have Welker, Decker, or Demaryus Thomas and they don't play the last 2 weeks of the year. If your bench is really short or you are already floating weight with guys like Gronk, Roddy White, orvhandcuff RBs, than I understand that it just isn't possible to add and hold him 6 weeks. Otherwise, I would grab him and do my best to hold him.

 

[LAbronco]

So youre telling me Josh Gordon, an emerging Allen and Harvin (later in the year) who are all WR1, are worth peanuts? lets be serious. A team hurting for WR's would be foolish not to take Gordon + Allen or Smith for a low end RB1 or RB2.

Maybe I'm too high on Gordon, hence why I havent tried dealing him yet....but hes a top 10 fantasy WR in my book

It's not at all that you're too high on Gordon. It's that most are too low. Gordon is a legit WR1 the rest of the way if he stays out of trouble. I cannot think of 12 WRs better than him, but because he plays for the Browns and catches passes from Weeden, (even though he put him on the map last year) he remains under the radar.

 

[Deepster]

Had Julio. Couldn't get Keenan Allen or Harry Douglas so decided to grab Harvin and stash him on the bench for a bit. It was better than Julio's dead spot and the garbage left out there.

 

[Future Sox DOc]

Anyone know when (or if) the 49'ers have to decide to move Lattimore to IR? He is taking up a bench spot on my team. I obviously would love to keep him, just afraid of a roster squeeze may force me to make a decision that I don't like.

Dude, unless this is a dynasty league, Lattimore has no business being rostered.

It is clearly a dynasty league, come on man- and thanks for not answering the question.

Does anyone know the answer to the question? Thanks.

 

[rockaction]

So Percy Harvin is at practice today, expected back in 3-4 weeks, per ESPN. If being back at practice but being expected back in 3-4 looks weird to you, it did to me, too. Let's hope he can get out there sooner!

 

[the spanker]

So Percy Harvin is at practice today, expected back in 3-4 weeks, per ESPN. If being back at practice but being expected back in 3-4 looks weird to you, it did to me, too. Let's hope he can get out there sooner!

I doubt Harvin has any real impact this year. Just not seeing it.

 

[kd1]

So Percy Harvin is at practice today, expected back in 3-4 weeks, per ESPN. If being back at practice but being expected back in 3-4 looks weird to you, it did to me, too. Let's hope he can get out there sooner!

I doubt Harvin has any real impact this year. Just not seeing it.

Hey, sounds good enough to me. Dropping him. Thanks for the tip.

 

[Bobbyn2022]

All I know is I drafted him for dirt cheap not expecting him to play this year but to sit on my IR and then play for me the next 4 years for $2 it would be a bonus if he plays this year. Glad I drafted Gordon,Blackmon and I'm sure Harvin when he ends up playing for as cheap as u can get 3 of the top 10 dynasty guys.

 

[xfactor99]

Would y'all pick up Vereen or Ellington in a PPR league?

 

[Breesisdaman]

So Percy Harvin is at practice today, expected back in 3-4 weeks, per ESPN. If being back at practice but being expected back in 3-4 looks weird to you, it did to me, too. Let's hope he can get out there sooner!

I doubt Harvin has any real impact this year. Just not seeing it.

ESPN doesn't know anything about when he will be back and if they were told anything at all from a coach you can bet it is smoke and mirrors. They will not give the opponent that much advance warning that Harvin is going to be in the lineup

 

[ImTheScientist]

So Percy Harvin is at practice today, expected back in 3-4 weeks, per ESPN. If being back at practice but being expected back in 3-4 looks weird to you, it did to me, too. Let's hope he can get out there sooner!

I doubt Harvin has any real impact this year. Just not seeing it.

ESPN doesn't know anything about when he will be back and if they were told anything at all from a coach you can bet it is smoke and mirrors. They will not give the opponent that much advance warning that Harvin is going to be in the lineup

He will be back week 8.

 

[fbelange]

I have a feeling he will be on the field, at home, week 9 vs TB. Just a gut feeling.

Not sure why people are starting to write him off because BSPN said 3-4 weeks. ...which still puts him at a week 9-10 return

 

[weebs]

So Percy Harvin is at practice today, expected back in 3-4 weeks, per ESPN. If being back at practice but being expected back in 3-4 looks weird to you, it did to me, too. Let's hope he can get out there sooner!

I doubt Harvin has any real impact this year. Just not seeing it.

Doofus alert.

 

[Breesisdaman]

I think the only thing holding Harvin back is unfamiliarity with the Seahawks playbook since he is new to the team and has spent his available time in rehab. All reports indicate he is in great physical shape. Maybe they want to ease him into physical contact but beyond that I see no health reasons holding him back. He is hitting the ground running just as he has said in his tweets.

 

[elshagon]

I picked up David Wilson in my league after he was dropped. After the recent news he may be back in a few weeks.

 

[ImTheScientist]

I think the only thing holding Harvin back is unfamiliarity with the Seahawks playbook since he is new to the team and has spent his available time in rehab. All reports indicate he is in great physical shape. Maybe they want to ease him into physical contact but beyond that I see no health reasons holding him back. He is hitting the ground running just as he has said in his tweets.

You do realize the Seahawks offensive coordinator is the same one he had with the Vikings for a few years...don't you?

 

[The Jerk]

It's become the norm in the league to provide disinformation concerning player availability.

That said, there are many reasons Harvin could still be nearly a month away from returning, as reports have indicated. He may indeed be in "great physical shape" but there's a difference between workout/rehab shape and game shape. Seattle is not looking to Harvin to help push them to playoff contention. The Seahawks are focused on a Super Bowl run and it would be prudent to bring Harvin along carefully, slowly but steadily increasing his reps first in practice and then in games. It's as if Harvin is in training camp now getting ready for the first preseason game.

Seattle's two most important games for home field advantage are Weeks 13 (NO) and 14 (@SF) immediately following their Week 12 bye. Ideally, the Seahawks want Harvin in top form by Week 13. I would expect to see him play a little in Week 10, then significantly (50% or more of snaps) in Week 11.

All this speculation on Harvin's health does not address what level of production he will have, even assuming he is 100% healthy. I see a huge gap between ceiling and floor due to the way the Seahawks have distributed targets with their current receivers. I can understand optimism given Harvin is clearly above the rest of the options, but I also think opposing defenses will feel the same way. He's a big wild card and certainly capable of boosting both the Seahawks and fantasy teams to a strong finish, but at the same time, it's a high risk play if fantasy teams are expecting WR1 production.

 

[Breesisdaman]

I think the only thing holding Harvin back is unfamiliarity with the Seahawks playbook since he is new to the team and has spent his available time in rehab. All reports indicate he is in great physical shape. Maybe they want to ease him into physical contact but beyond that I see no health reasons holding him back. He is hitting the ground running just as he has said in his tweets.

You do realize the Seahawks offensive coordinator is the same one he had with the Vikings for a few years...don't you?

I assume there could be some familiar plays from what the vikings ran but also some new plays the other defensive coordinators around the league aren't aware of. Offenses change year in and year out.

 

[Breesisdaman]

It's become the norm in the league to provide disinformation concerning player availability.

That said, there are many reasons Harvin could still be nearly a month away from returning, as reports have indicated. He may indeed be in "great physical shape" but there's a difference between workout/rehab shape and game shape. Seattle is not looking to Harvin to help push them to playoff contention. The Seahawks are focused on a Super Bowl run and it would be prudent to bring Harvin along carefully, slowly but steadily increasing his reps first in practice and then in games. It's as if Harvin is in training camp now getting ready for the first preseason game.

Seattle's two most important games for home field advantage are Weeks 13 (NO) and 14 (@SF) immediately following their Week 12 bye. Ideally, the Seahawks want Harvin in top form by Week 13. I would expect to see him play a little in Week 10, then significantly (50% or more of snaps) in Week 11.

All this speculation on Harvin's health does not address what level of production he will have, even assuming he is 100% healthy. I see a huge gap between ceiling and floor due to the way the Seahawks have distributed targets with their current receivers. I can understand optimism given Harvin is clearly above the rest of the options, but I also think opposing defenses will feel the same way. He's a big wild card and certainly capable of boosting both the Seahawks and fantasy teams to a strong finish, but at the same time, it's a high risk play if fantasy teams are expecting WR1 production.

I know you Seahawks fans have this overwhelming confidence that your team will stay right at the top of the NFC but there is no such thing as a guaranteed win. They have one loss already and could have had a second were it not for a boneheaded play by Matt Schaub. The Seahawks are not nearly as unbeatable as some of you think. Harvin will return as soon as he is physically able.

 

[rockaction]

So Percy Harvin is at practice today, expected back in 3-4 weeks, per ESPN. If being back at practice but being expected back in 3-4 looks weird to you, it did to me, too. Let's hope he can get out there sooner!

I doubt Harvin has any real impact this year. Just not seeing it.

ESPN doesn't know anything about when he will be back and if they were told anything at all from a coach you can bet it is smoke and mirrors. They will not give the opponent that much advance warning that Harvin is going to be in the lineup

Yep. I just wanted to be accurate in reporting what ESPO said that Pete Carroll said. I think he's back Week 9. That is strictly just my opinion.

 

[ImTheScientist]

I think the only thing holding Harvin back is unfamiliarity with the Seahawks playbook since he is new to the team and has spent his available time in rehab. All reports indicate he is in great physical shape. Maybe they want to ease him into physical contact but beyond that I see no health reasons holding him back. He is hitting the ground running just as he has said in his tweets.

You do realize the Seahawks offensive coordinator is the same one he had with the Vikings for a few years...don't you?

I assume there could be some familiar plays from what the vikings ran but also some new plays the other defensive coordinators around the league aren't aware of. Offenses change year in and year out.

Glad to be able to keep you informed. Anyways, there is a reason Tjax was starting 3 years ago.

Guess we will see how fast he is integrated into things.

 

[ImTheScientist]

It's become the norm in the league to provide disinformation concerning player availability.

That said, there are many reasons Harvin could still be nearly a month away from returning, as reports have indicated. He may indeed be in "great physical shape" but there's a difference between workout/rehab shape and game shape. Seattle is not looking to Harvin to help push them to playoff contention. The Seahawks are focused on a Super Bowl run and it would be prudent to bring Harvin along carefully, slowly but steadily increasing his reps first in practice and then in games. It's as if Harvin is in training camp now getting ready for the first preseason game.

Seattle's two most important games for home field advantage are Weeks 13 (NO) and 14 (@SF) immediately following their Week 12 bye. Ideally, the Seahawks want Harvin in top form by Week 13. I would expect to see him play a little in Week 10, then significantly (50% or more of snaps) in Week 11.

All this speculation on Harvin's health does not address what level of production he will have, even assuming he is 100% healthy. I see a huge gap between ceiling and floor due to the way the Seahawks have distributed targets with their current receivers. I can understand optimism given Harvin is clearly above the rest of the options, but I also think opposing defenses will feel the same way. He's a big wild card and certainly capable of boosting both the Seahawks and fantasy teams to a strong finish, but at the same time, it's a high risk play if fantasy teams are expecting WR1 production.

I know you Seahawks fans have this overwhelming confidence that your team will stay right at the top of the NFC but there is no such thing as a guaranteed win. They have one loss already and could have had a second were it not for a boneheaded play by Matt Schaub. The Seahawks are not nearly as unbeatable as some of you think. Harvin will return as soon as he is physically able.

5-1. If not for 2 bonehead plays in Indy they would be 6-0.

 

[McGarnicle]

Picked Harvin up Sunday for $4. I was the only bidder. WR is already the strength of my team but I think there is a good chance I'll be starting him weekly down the stretch assuming he stays healthy. I don't see the playbook as being a huge obstacle for a veteran wideout of his caliber. I would foresee him getting eased into the lineup in the week 9-11 timeframe, then by fantasy playoffs I would hope he's putting up the numbers we saw from him in Minnesota. That is your thought process if you're setting aside a roster spot for him.