Shane Vereen, Percy Harvin, Any injured players cut you planning on gr (1 Viewer)

[The Jerk]

It's become the norm in the league to provide disinformation concerning player availability.

That said, there are many reasons Harvin could still be nearly a month away from returning, as reports have indicated. He may indeed be in "great physical shape" but there's a difference between workout/rehab shape and game shape. Seattle is not looking to Harvin to help push them to playoff contention. The Seahawks are focused on a Super Bowl run and it would be prudent to bring Harvin along carefully, slowly but steadily increasing his reps first in practice and then in games. It's as if Harvin is in training camp now getting ready for the first preseason game.

Seattle's two most important games for home field advantage are Weeks 13 (NO) and 14 (@SF) immediately following their Week 12 bye. Ideally, the Seahawks want Harvin in top form by Week 13. I would expect to see him play a little in Week 10, then significantly (50% or more of snaps) in Week 11.

All this speculation on Harvin's health does not address what level of production he will have, even assuming he is 100% healthy. I see a huge gap between ceiling and floor due to the way the Seahawks have distributed targets with their current receivers. I can understand optimism given Harvin is clearly above the rest of the options, but I also think opposing defenses will feel the same way. He's a big wild card and certainly capable of boosting both the Seahawks and fantasy teams to a strong finish, but at the same time, it's a high risk play if fantasy teams are expecting WR1 production.

I know you Seahawks fans have this overwhelming confidence that your team will stay right at the top of the NFC but there is no such thing as a guaranteed win. They have one loss already and could have had a second were it not for a boneheaded play by Matt Schaub. The Seahawks are not nearly as unbeatable as some of you think. Harvin will return as soon as he is physically able.

5-1. If not for 2 bonehead plays in Indy they would be 6-0.

Interesting that now I'm a Seahawks fan. Most of the longer tenured FBGs in the SP know that I'm a Steeler fan.

I really don't think it requires any fan bias to suggest the Seahawks, Saints and 49ers are the three most impressive teams in the NFC so far this season. They are all eminently beatable, and few even moderately informed football fans should be surprised if another team represents the NFC in the Super Bowl, but as of mid-October 2013, these three teams are the favorites to be in the Super Bowl.

Seattle can both try to win these next few games without a fully engaged Harvin and protect their season-long interests. They have gone 5-1 without him.

By the way, we don't necessarily disagree on the mindset. Where we might differ is in exactly what defines "physically able" and how fully Harvin returns in his first game back. I'd be shocked to see him go from a scratch to a 60-snap game. And by the way, Seattle isn't well served if they're trying to win a game if they use up a game day spot for him before he's fully ready to contribute. Using Harvin for 10 plays may not be as important as dressing a different WR who might play a handful of offensive plays but be on all special teams snaps.

I agree with you if your point is that you don't think the Seahawks will wait unnecessarily long to activate Harvin. If he's clearly ready, he'll play. Perhaps you can also agree with my point that the Seahawks will not rush him back. I don't think it has anything to do with the hubris of the organization or its fans, just common sense that the bigger games are ahead, and trying to rush things by one week could actually backfire and have Harvin miss another 2-3 weeks.

 

[MattFancy]

Thinking about scooping up Vereen. Would you drop Mike Williams for him?

 

[Breesisdaman]

If you haven't scooped up Harvin at this point he is probably gone off your waiver wires. He resumes Practice next week.

A source tells NFL Network that Percy Harvin (hip) will resume practicing next week.
Since the Seahawks play the Thursday night game this week and the Monday nighter in Week 8, they'll have a ton of down time. It provides an excellent window for Harvin to test out his surgically-repaired hip and start working his way back into football shape. According to NFL Network's Ian Rapoport, he should play in games "sooner rather than later." This report comes on the heels of whispers that Harvin is well ahead of schedule and extremely optimistic quotes from coach Pete Carroll. It sounds like Harvin is a good bet to play before the Week 12 bye, making him a must-own in all formats. If truly healthy, there isn't a more dangerous player with the ball in his hands in the entire league.



Vereen is still out there on a few I hope to get him in week 9 if I am not too late

 

[MattFancy]

Vereen is still out there on a few I hope to get him in week 9 if I am not too late

Definitely been looking into Vereen. He's out there in 2 of my leagues, I'm just trying to decide who to drop and when a good time to strike is.

 

[Cleat Spike]

Trying to determine when is the time to go in for Vereen too. I drafted and dropped him, now I keep putting it off one more week (I usually get burned on these), not wanting to roster dead weight for a long time. So at what point is he worth a 5-6 week roster spot burn? You can't really start him right at W11 unless you're in a real pinch, right? I'd like to see a week before I insert him as a flex unless your real bad off at RB and have no choice.

So playoffs typically start W13-14. I hope to make it in, but I'm not sure right now. Is Vereen that worth it to stash now, when I could be using that spot on someone like Khiry Robinson, Snelling, Michael Cox/Andre Brown, Shonn Greene, Dunbar, Ivory, Bolden, Tolbert, Ogbo, Donald Brown that may have more immediate return in a pinch at RB or any mid/low-level WR to at least help me get to the dance.

Week 8 and 9 have fierce bye weeks too, so dead weight is not your friend those weeks likely.

Last thing I want to do is grab him, tip my league mates off that....oh yea Vereen is coming back, and then not be able to hold him for some reason.

Week 12-13 could be Vereen's money spot though, but it's risky. Will he be fully healthy, will the game fall his way to be used, will Ridley take the lead, will they ease him in and save him for a big run in the real NFL playoffs instead of our FF playoffs?

What's the best time to go in on him? My Top 200 Forward is saying no one out there on my wire is more valuable than Vereen though.

 

[MattFancy]

Trying to determine when is the time to go in for Vereen. I keep putting it off one more week (I usually get burned on these), not wanting to roster dead weight for a long time. So at what point is he worth a 5-6 week roster spot burn? You can't really start him right at W11 unless you're in a real pinch, right? I'd like to see a week before I insert him as a flex unless your real bad off at RB and have no choice.

So playoffs typically start W13-14. I hope to make it in, but I'm not sure right now. Is Vereen that worth it to stash now, when I could be using that spot on someone like Khiry Robinson, Snelling, Michael Cox/Andre Brown, Shonn Greene, Dunbar, Ivory, Bolden, Tolbert, Ogbo, Donald Brown that may have more immediate return in a pinch at RB or any mid/low-level WR to at least help me get to the dance.

Week 8 and 9 have fierce bye weeks too, so dead weight is not your friend those weeks likely.

Last thing I want to do is grab him, tip my league mates off that....oh yea Vereen is coming back, and then not be able to hold him for some reason.

Week 12-13 could be Vereen's money spot though, but it's risky. Will he be fully healthy, will the game fall his way to be used, will Ridley take the lead, will they ease him in and save him for a big run in the real NFL playoffs instead of our FF playoffs?

What's the best time to go in on him? My Top 200 Forward is saying no one out there on my wire is more valuable than Vereen though.

Pretty much where I'm at too right now. I got burned by waiting a day too long on Harvin. My problem is (and I guess it's a good problem) is that even though I want Vereen, I may not need him/have a spot for him on the bench. I'm sitting at 5-1, so I'm feeling really good about my playoff chances and would love to have him for the FF playoffs, but like you said, how will the Pats use him then?

Right now at RB I have Charles, Gore, Woodhead, Stacy, PThomas, and Hunter. Sure Vereen could be better than those guys, but there's not really anyone there I would drop for him right now. At WR I have Dez, Garcon, White, Allen, and MWilliams. Maybe drop MWilliams, but he's been decent most weeks. So it's a bit of a tough decision right now. I had originally drafted Vereen in this league too. I could try and make a trade to free up a roster spot for him I guess.

But then it goes back to, will he regain his role right away or will BB be BB and play games with the fantasy world? I don't think the Vereen pickup is as easy as the Harvin one. I think everyone expects Harvin to step in right away, maybe not produce right away, but to jump right into the starting lineup at least. With the way BB has used his RBs this year, it's anyone's guess what they do with Vereen when he returns.

 

[Ray]

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Week 8 and 9 have fierce bye weeks too, so dead weight is not your friend those weeks likely.

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What's the best time to go in on him? My Top 200 Forward is saying no one out there on my wire is more valuable than Vereen though.

I think you answered the question. I think the right time to go in is when your bye weeks are clear. You'll have more roster flexibility & be less likely to need to dump him back to the wire. Primary concern there, of course, is: Is that too late?

 

[bcat01]

Better get Vereen now. I just got out bid on the waivers. Went for $26 out of $200.

 

[MCguidance]

Managed to snag Harvin in one league.

What are people expecting?

 

[PinkydaPimp]

saw vereen get grabbed in one of my leagues today as well.

 

[gradin123]

Because Vereen's injury is to his wrist and not his legs he should be ready to go full board upon return. I would have no problem starting him Week 11 if he is playing that week as expected.

He will have fresh legs and should be raring to go. Bolden has disapponted, Blount is a slug and Ridley only had his first good game in a while. I figure when Vereen comes back he should take over all of Bolden's touches , some of Blount's carries and depending how good he looks he might eat heavily into Ridley's touches as well.

Vereen is a weapon and the Patriots badly need weapons on offense right now and in his absence none of the running backs have looked too hot. He will be heavily involved in the offense from the get go imo.

 

[LawFitz]

5-1 and grabbed Vereen this week for free. I could use an RB2 upgrade for the stretch run. If you have any RB-needy 4-2 or 5-1 teams in your league with 0.5 or 1 PPR, you better not wait too much longer to grab Vereen if he's still on your wire and you've been eyeing him.

 

[ldizzle]

Andre brown has resumed practicing

 

[gradin123]

Rotworld blurb

Shane Vereen (wrist, short-term IR) is no longer sporting a hard cast.
Vereen's wrist appears to be stabilized as he's now just wearing a soft wrap. He's eligible to resume practicing next week and can return to game action following the Patriots' Week 10 bye. Vereen should be able to make an immediate impact as a 10-12 touch "Joker" right out of the gate.

 

[tdhartis]

Andre brown has resumed practicing

 

[agame2323]

I have Sproles, Charles and TRich. We can only carry 3 RBs in our league. Would you drop TRich for Shane?

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Andre brown has resumed practicing

Rotworld blurb

Shane Vereen (wrist, short-term IR) is no longer sporting a hard cast.
Vereen's wrist appears to be stabilized as he's now just wearing a soft wrap. He's eligible to resume practicing next week and can return to game action following the Patriots' Week 10 bye. Vereen should be able to make an immediate impact as a 10-12 touch "Joker" right out of the gate.

So which is it? He's practicing right now, or is going to be due back next week?

 

[gradin123]

I have Sproles, Charles and TRich. We can only carry 3 RBs in our league. Would you drop TRich for Shane?

I wouldn't drop TRich. I imagine you could trade him though and upgrade somewhere else.

 

[gradin123]

Andre brown has resumed practicing

Rotworld blurb

Shane Vereen (wrist, short-term IR) is no longer sporting a hard cast.
Vereen's wrist appears to be stabilized as he's now just wearing a soft wrap. He's eligible to resume practicing next week and can return to game action following the Patriots' Week 10 bye. Vereen should be able to make an immediate impact as a 10-12 touch "Joker" right out of the gate.

So which is it? He's practicing right now, or is going to be due back next week?

You have to read. Two different guys. A.Brown is practicing, Vereen should start practicing next week.

 

[chihawk]

What about crabtree? Anyone following his situation more closely? When would we expect him to start practicing and when to be game-shape ready? I understand his injury is in the leg so it would prevent him from being active....might take some time to get into game shape.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Andre brown has resumed practicing

Rotworld blurb

Shane Vereen (wrist, short-term IR) is no longer sporting a hard cast.
Vereen's wrist appears to be stabilized as he's now just wearing a soft wrap. He's eligible to resume practicing next week and can return to game action following the Patriots' Week 10 bye. Vereen should be able to make an immediate impact as a 10-12 touch "Joker" right out of the gate.

So which is it? He's practicing right now, or is going to be due back next week?

You have to read. Two different guys. A.Brown is practicing, Vereen should start practicing next week.

thanks, had a RIF moment there. I own them both and got them confused.

 

[bb7278]

Bump Vereen. Thinking about dropping a well known handcuff RB for him.

Shane Vereen (wrist, short-term IR) is no longer sporting a hard cast.
Vereen's wrist appears to be stabilized as he's now just wearing a soft wrap. He's eligible to resume practicing next week and can return to game action following the Patriots' Week 10 bye. Vereen should be able to make an immediate impact as a 10-12 touch "Joker" right out of the gate. Oct 17 - 12:54 PM
Source: Jeff Howe on Twitter

 

[rascal]

In ppr the obvious play is vereen, not so sure in standard.

 

[MattFancy]

Bump Vereen. Thinking about dropping a well known handcuff RB for him.

Shane Vereen (wrist, short-term IR) is no longer sporting a hard cast.
Vereen's wrist appears to be stabilized as he's now just wearing a soft wrap. He's eligible to resume practicing next week and can return to game action following the Patriots' Week 10 bye. Vereen should be able to make an immediate impact as a 10-12 touch "Joker" right out of the gate. Oct 17 - 12:54 PM
Source: Jeff Howe on Twitter

I'm on the fence about dropping Kendall Hunter for Vereen. I'm a Gore owner so it makes sense to have Hunter, but I dunno who else on my team to drop. It's between Hunter, PThomas, or Mike Williams.

 

[gradin123]

Bump Vereen. Thinking about dropping a well known handcuff RB for him.

Shane Vereen (wrist, short-term IR) is no longer sporting a hard cast.
Vereen's wrist appears to be stabilized as he's now just wearing a soft wrap. He's eligible to resume practicing next week and can return to game action following the Patriots' Week 10 bye. Vereen should be able to make an immediate impact as a 10-12 touch "Joker" right out of the gate. Oct 17 - 12:54 PM
Source: Jeff Howe on Twitter

I'm on the fence about dropping Kendall Hunter for Vereen. I'm a Gore owner so it makes sense to have Hunter, but I dunno who else on my team to drop. It's between Hunter, PThomas, or Mike Williams.

Glennon is trash and he can't play Philadelphia every week to make him look better than he is. Mike Williams isn't worth holding onto in my books.

 

[KingPrawn]

Andre brown has resumed practicing

Had an empty roster spot this week and grabbed Jacobs to keep him off an opponents team. Plan on dropping him for Brown next week. With Jacobs, Hillis, Wilson and Brown all on the team, how does this shakeout?

 

[tdhartis]

Andre brown has resumed practicing

Had an empty roster spot this week and grabbed Jacobs to keep him off an opponents team. Plan on dropping him for Brown next week. With Jacobs, Hillis, Wilson and Brown all on the team, how does this shakeout?

My outlook is Brown is the lead dog, and will split touches with Wilson if the staff believes he is healthy enough, and Jacobs if he isn't. At times in the past Brown has been the goal-line back, and I wouldn't be surprised if he retook that role even with Jacobs in the mix. I have both him and Wilson, and like Brown's chances more of having value this season. He's talented if he manages to stay on the field, which is a big if.

 

[zftcg]

My take on all these guys:

1. Harvin clearly has the most value. Looks like he'll be back soon and could be productive right away. He's long gone in both of my leagues.
2. Vereen. Injury wasn't nearly as bad as some of the others. Not totally clear what his role will be in that crowded backfield, but he seems like a decent bet to fulfill his potential as a rich man's Danny Woodhead.
3. Brown. I guess he's OK, but I'm not all that excited. Giants are terrible and will be playing behind a lot. And outside of that Carolina game last year, guy hasn't shown much, other than that he can't stay healthy.
4. Crabtree. Achilles are the hardest injury to come back from, especially for WRs. Sounds like the earliest he'd be back would be mid-November, and he probably wouldn't be effective for a few more games, if at all.

Vereen is still available in one of my leagues (never got dropped in another), and I'd consider grabbing him, but a) I'd have to drop Steve Smith, and b) I don't have a backup QB/TE, so absent an injury or trade, I'll be using that roster spot for my bye-week fill-ins during Weeks 9-10 (and possibly Week 12 if I want to keep the Cinci D).

 

[gradin123]

I don't think the Pats backfield is all that crowded. Vereen is clearly a superior talent to Bolden and Blount and upon his return he will likely make those 2 irrelevant. His only real threat for significant touches is Ridley. Ridley has been pretty underwhelming this year though so unless he really starts to light up in the next few games then I think Vereen will have a real shot at getting 15+ touches per game down the stretch.

Btw, I'm not that high on Harvin even though it sounds like he'll be back pretty soon. The Seahawks just spread the ball around too much in my view. I can't see Harvin getting a ton of targets with the Seahawks like he was with the Vikings. In 5 of his 9 games played last year Harvin had more than 10 targets. There is no way he'll see that many targets in Seattle. Only 1 Wr all season for Seattle has had more than 10 targets in game and was Tate vs Indy (he had 11 in that game). I don't think the Seahawks will stop using Tate either who actually does a lot of similiar things as Harvin. I also don't think he'll be used much if at all out of the backfield for the Seahawks

The Seahawks are primarily about the run (Lynch and Wilson) and Wilson is the type of guy who doesn't really play favorites he just throws to the open guy.9 different guys caught a pass for the Seahawks tonight and that is not unusual. He is somewhat like Brees only he doesn't pass as much.

For arguments sake lets say Harvin plays 8 games this year. I don't see him getting more than 40 catches for 550 yards during that time and that would be on the high side. More likely he finishes the year with about 400 yards-450 yards. Td's are a guessing game but he never has been a huge TD guy.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

My take on all these guys:

1. Harvin clearly has the most value. Looks like he'll be back soon and could be productive right away. He's long gone in both of my leagues.
2. Vereen. Injury wasn't nearly as bad as some of the others. Not totally clear what his role will be in that crowded backfield, but he seems like a decent bet to fulfill his potential as a rich man's Danny Woodhead.
3. Brown. I guess he's OK, but I'm not all that excited. Giants are terrible and will be playing behind a lot. And outside of that Carolina game last year, guy hasn't shown much, other than that he can't stay healthy.
4. Crabtree. Achilles are the hardest injury to come back from, especially for WRs. Sounds like the earliest he'd be back would be mid-November, and he probably wouldn't be effective for a few more games, if at all.

Vereen is still available in one of my leagues (never got dropped in another), and I'd consider grabbing him, but a) I'd have to drop Steve Smith, and b) I don't have a backup QB/TE, so absent an injury or trade, I'll be using that roster spot for my bye-week fill-ins during Weeks 9-10 (and possibly Week 12 if I want to keep the Cinci D).

Nice post. I appreciate your reasoning but I disagree.

Have them in this order:

1.) Vereen - Gronk is not a given this season, and the current active roster lacks playmakers. Vereen showed what he's capable of in week one, and my guess is he becomes the Pats most valuable weapon later on this year. His injury has nothing to do with his legs or feet, so we know he should be ready to roll once he's out there full speed. Any kind of leg, foot, or even hamstring or shin issue would be concerning. A hand fully rehabbed is not an issue.

2.) Brown - He's coming off a broken leg, which is less concerning relatively to an ACL or achilles. But still a concern on how quickly he can get back into "football shape". He may need some time to ramp back up, but Brandon Jacobs isn't going to fend him off and the only other legit competition is Wilson, who is right now a wreck. I think Brown will get the opportunity to be a late season Bryce Brown type back.

3.) Harvin - I admit, I don't own him. Even if I did, I'd be worried about the hip. WR's like Harvin depend on their quick first step and stride/hops. Does the hip support Harvin's God given talents? I guess we'll find out soon. Another concern is we haven't seen how he'll mesh with the Seahawks offense. Ideally, he should be dynamite, but till we see his usage and snap percentages, it's big question mark. Huge ceiling but very uncertain floor. If we are talking about lining up them by who has the highest ceiling, Harvin's your winner hands down. Wish I did own him, just feel he's more of a long shot compared to expectations.

4.) Crabtree - Admit, I own him. Not expecting much coming off an achilles. Think about how many WR's come back from achilles? There's not much evidence to suggest he'll be the Crabtree of old. Still, worth a gamble over lesser waiver wire talents because of the potential to be a big part of the SF offense going forward. But I'm not optimistic.

 

[bb7278]

Bump Vereen. Thinking about dropping a well known handcuff RB for him.

Shane Vereen (wrist, short-term IR) is no longer sporting a hard cast.
Vereen's wrist appears to be stabilized as he's now just wearing a soft wrap. He's eligible to resume practicing next week and can return to game action following the Patriots' Week 10 bye. Vereen should be able to make an immediate impact as a 10-12 touch "Joker" right out of the gate. Oct 17 - 12:54 PM
Source: Jeff Howe on Twitter

I'm on the fence about dropping Kendall Hunter for Vereen. I'm a Gore owner so it makes sense to have Hunter, but I dunno who else on my team to drop. It's between Hunter, PThomas, or Mike Williams.

My choice is cutting Bryce Brown. I've had the add/drop queued up but have yet to find the courage to pull the trigger.

It's my RB5 so I'm not really sure what my trepidation is.....

 

[MattFancy]

Bump Vereen. Thinking about dropping a well known handcuff RB for him.

Shane Vereen (wrist, short-term IR) is no longer sporting a hard cast.
Vereen's wrist appears to be stabilized as he's now just wearing a soft wrap. He's eligible to resume practicing next week and can return to game action following the Patriots' Week 10 bye. Vereen should be able to make an immediate impact as a 10-12 touch "Joker" right out of the gate. Oct 17 - 12:54 PM
Source: Jeff Howe on Twitter

I'm on the fence about dropping Kendall Hunter for Vereen. I'm a Gore owner so it makes sense to have Hunter, but I dunno who else on my team to drop. It's between Hunter, PThomas, or Mike Williams.

My choice is cutting Bryce Brown. I've had the add/drop queued up but have yet to find the courage to pull the trigger.

It's my RB5 so I'm not really sure what my trepidation is.....

Unless you own McCoy, I would think you can safely drop Brown. I put in a FAAB bid today on Vereen. Will be dropping Mike Williams who is my WR5 in a start 2 WR league. Seems expendable with having Dez, Garcon, White, and Allen.

 

[bb7278]

Bump Vereen. Thinking about dropping a well known handcuff RB for him.

Shane Vereen (wrist, short-term IR) is no longer sporting a hard cast.
Vereen's wrist appears to be stabilized as he's now just wearing a soft wrap. He's eligible to resume practicing next week and can return to game action following the Patriots' Week 10 bye. Vereen should be able to make an immediate impact as a 10-12 touch "Joker" right out of the gate. Oct 17 - 12:54 PM
Source: Jeff Howe on Twitter

I'm on the fence about dropping Kendall Hunter for Vereen. I'm a Gore owner so it makes sense to have Hunter, but I dunno who else on my team to drop. It's between Hunter, PThomas, or Mike Williams.

My choice is cutting Bryce Brown. I've had the add/drop queued up but have yet to find the courage to pull the trigger.

It's my RB5 so I'm not really sure what my trepidation is.....

Unless you own McCoy, I would think you can safely drop Brown. I put in a FAAB bid today on Vereen. Will be dropping Mike Williams who is my WR5 in a start 2 WR league. Seems expendable with having Dez, Garcon, White, and Allen.

Pulled the trigger. I guess it doesnt matter who is sitting on the pine behind Forte,Martin,Miller and Stacy until week 11. thanks for the nudge.

 

[zftcg]

My take on all these guys:

1. Harvin clearly has the most value. Looks like he'll be back soon and could be productive right away. He's long gone in both of my leagues.
2. Vereen. Injury wasn't nearly as bad as some of the others. Not totally clear what his role will be in that crowded backfield, but he seems like a decent bet to fulfill his potential as a rich man's Danny Woodhead.
3. Brown. I guess he's OK, but I'm not all that excited. Giants are terrible and will be playing behind a lot. And outside of that Carolina game last year, guy hasn't shown much, other than that he can't stay healthy.
4. Crabtree. Achilles are the hardest injury to come back from, especially for WRs. Sounds like the earliest he'd be back would be mid-November, and he probably wouldn't be effective for a few more games, if at all.

Vereen is still available in one of my leagues (never got dropped in another), and I'd consider grabbing him, but a) I'd have to drop Steve Smith, and b) I don't have a backup QB/TE, so absent an injury or trade, I'll be using that roster spot for my bye-week fill-ins during Weeks 9-10 (and possibly Week 12 if I want to keep the Cinci D).

Nice post. I appreciate your reasoning but I disagree.

Have them in this order:

1.) Vereen - Gronk is not a given this season, and the current active roster lacks playmakers. Vereen showed what he's capable of in week one, and my guess is he becomes the Pats most valuable weapon later on this year. His injury has nothing to do with his legs or feet, so we know he should be ready to roll once he's out there full speed. Any kind of leg, foot, or even hamstring or shin issue would be concerning. A hand fully rehabbed is not an issue.

2.) Brown - He's coming off a broken leg, which is less concerning relatively to an ACL or achilles. But still a concern on how quickly he can get back into "football shape". He may need some time to ramp back up, but Brandon Jacobs isn't going to fend him off and the only other legit competition is Wilson, who is right now a wreck. I think Brown will get the opportunity to be a late season Bryce Brown type back.

3.) Harvin - I admit, I don't own him. Even if I did, I'd be worried about the hip. WR's like Harvin depend on their quick first step and stride/hops. Does the hip support Harvin's God given talents? I guess we'll find out soon. Another concern is we haven't seen how he'll mesh with the Seahawks offense. Ideally, he should be dynamite, but till we see his usage and snap percentages, it's big question mark. Huge ceiling but very uncertain floor. If we are talking about lining up them by who has the highest ceiling, Harvin's your winner hands down. Wish I did own him, just feel he's more of a long shot compared to expectations.

4.) Crabtree - Admit, I own him. Not expecting much coming off an achilles. Think about how many WR's come back from achilles? There's not much evidence to suggest he'll be the Crabtree of old. Still, worth a gamble over lesser waiver wire talents because of the potential to be a big part of the SF offense going forward. But I'm not optimistic.

The funny thing is, I believe in what I originally wrote, but I can't find any obvious reasons to disagree with your logic (other than that I've always felt Brown was a little bit overhyped). The fact is, there are a ton of questions surrounding all of these guys. We don't know how Harvin's injury will affect him, and how he'll mesh with a new offense. We don't know what the NE backfield situation will look like. We don't know Wilson's health, and how that will impact Brown's situation.

Pretty much the only thing that would surprise me at this point would be if Crabtree came back fully healed and made himself fantasy-relevant this year. Achilles are just really difficult injuries to come back from. That would pretty much be on par with Peterson last year, which means it could happen but would be genuinely surprising.

So I think the main takeaway is that you're basically buying lottery tickets of unknown value. You just have to go with your own gut as to the likelihood of it paying off, and balance it against giving up that roster spot. In my case, I think Vereen has the highest value of the players still available, but I can't justify the opportunity cost.

 

[⚡DEADHEAD⚡]

My take on all these guys:

1. Harvin clearly has the most value. Looks like he'll be back soon and could be productive right away. He's long gone in both of my leagues.
2. Vereen. Injury wasn't nearly as bad as some of the others. Not totally clear what his role will be in that crowded backfield, but he seems like a decent bet to fulfill his potential as a rich man's Danny Woodhead.
3. Brown. I guess he's OK, but I'm not all that excited. Giants are terrible and will be playing behind a lot. And outside of that Carolina game last year, guy hasn't shown much, other than that he can't stay healthy.
4. Crabtree. Achilles are the hardest injury to come back from, especially for WRs. Sounds like the earliest he'd be back would be mid-November, and he probably wouldn't be effective for a few more games, if at all.

Vereen is still available in one of my leagues (never got dropped in another), and I'd consider grabbing him, but a) I'd have to drop Steve Smith, and b) I don't have a backup QB/TE, so absent an injury or trade, I'll be using that roster spot for my bye-week fill-ins during Weeks 9-10 (and possibly Week 12 if I want to keep the Cinci D).

Nice post. I appreciate your reasoning but I disagree.

Have them in this order:

1.) Vereen - Gronk is not a given this season, and the current active roster lacks playmakers. Vereen showed what he's capable of in week one, and my guess is he becomes the Pats most valuable weapon later on this year. His injury has nothing to do with his legs or feet, so we know he should be ready to roll once he's out there full speed. Any kind of leg, foot, or even hamstring or shin issue would be concerning. A hand fully rehabbed is not an issue.

2.) Brown - He's coming off a broken leg, which is less concerning relatively to an ACL or achilles. But still a concern on how quickly he can get back into "football shape". He may need some time to ramp back up, but Brandon Jacobs isn't going to fend him off and the only other legit competition is Wilson, who is right now a wreck. I think Brown will get the opportunity to be a late season Bryce Brown type back.

3.) Harvin - I admit, I don't own him. Even if I did, I'd be worried about the hip. WR's like Harvin depend on their quick first step and stride/hops. Does the hip support Harvin's God given talents? I guess we'll find out soon. Another concern is we haven't seen how he'll mesh with the Seahawks offense. Ideally, he should be dynamite, but till we see his usage and snap percentages, it's big question mark. Huge ceiling but very uncertain floor. If we are talking about lining up them by who has the highest ceiling, Harvin's your winner hands down. Wish I did own him, just feel he's more of a long shot compared to expectations.

4.) Crabtree - Admit, I own him. Not expecting much coming off an achilles. Think about how many WR's come back from achilles? There's not much evidence to suggest he'll be the Crabtree of old. Still, worth a gamble over lesser waiver wire talents because of the potential to be a big part of the SF offense going forward. But I'm not optimistic.

These two posts are why I come to the SP. Thanks guys.

 

[VikingFrog]

My take on all these guys:

1. Harvin clearly has the most value. Looks like he'll be back soon and could be productive right away. He's long gone in both of my leagues.
2. Vereen. Injury wasn't nearly as bad as some of the others. Not totally clear what his role will be in that crowded backfield, but he seems like a decent bet to fulfill his potential as a rich man's Danny Woodhead.
3. Brown. I guess he's OK, but I'm not all that excited. Giants are terrible and will be playing behind a lot. And outside of that Carolina game last year, guy hasn't shown much, other than that he can't stay healthy.
4. Crabtree. Achilles are the hardest injury to come back from, especially for WRs. Sounds like the earliest he'd be back would be mid-November, and he probably wouldn't be effective for a few more games, if at all.

Vereen is still available in one of my leagues (never got dropped in another), and I'd consider grabbing him, but a) I'd have to drop Steve Smith, and b) I don't have a backup QB/TE, so absent an injury or trade, I'll be using that roster spot for my bye-week fill-ins during Weeks 9-10 (and possibly Week 12 if I want to keep the Cinci D).

Nice post. I appreciate your reasoning but I disagree.

Have them in this order:

1.) Vereen - Gronk is not a given this season, and the current active roster lacks playmakers. Vereen showed what he's capable of in week one, and my guess is he becomes the Pats most valuable weapon later on this year. His injury has nothing to do with his legs or feet, so we know he should be ready to roll once he's out there full speed. Any kind of leg, foot, or even hamstring or shin issue would be concerning. A hand fully rehabbed is not an issue.

2.) Brown - He's coming off a broken leg, which is less concerning relatively to an ACL or achilles. But still a concern on how quickly he can get back into "football shape". He may need some time to ramp back up, but Brandon Jacobs isn't going to fend him off and the only other legit competition is Wilson, who is right now a wreck. I think Brown will get the opportunity to be a late season Bryce Brown type back.

3.) Harvin - I admit, I don't own him. Even if I did, I'd be worried about the hip. WR's like Harvin depend on their quick first step and stride/hops. Does the hip support Harvin's God given talents? I guess we'll find out soon. Another concern is we haven't seen how he'll mesh with the Seahawks offense. Ideally, he should be dynamite, but till we see his usage and snap percentages, it's big question mark. Huge ceiling but very uncertain floor. If we are talking about lining up them by who has the highest ceiling, Harvin's your winner hands down. Wish I did own him, just feel he's more of a long shot compared to expectations.

4.) Crabtree - Admit, I own him. Not expecting much coming off an achilles. Think about how many WR's come back from achilles? There's not much evidence to suggest he'll be the Crabtree of old. Still, worth a gamble over lesser waiver wire talents because of the potential to be a big part of the SF offense going forward. But I'm not optimistic.

These two posts are why I come to the SP. Thanks guys.

What if Gronk is a given?

I had to drop Vereen recently for bye week fillins, hope tp pick him back up after this weekend. As a Ridley owner, I think he's a must hold.

 

[MCguidance]

My take on all these guys:

1. Harvin clearly has the most value. Looks like he'll be back soon and could be productive right away. He's long gone in both of my leagues.
2. Vereen. Injury wasn't nearly as bad as some of the others. Not totally clear what his role will be in that crowded backfield, but he seems like a decent bet to fulfill his potential as a rich man's Danny Woodhead.
3. Brown. I guess he's OK, but I'm not all that excited. Giants are terrible and will be playing behind a lot. And outside of that Carolina game last year, guy hasn't shown much, other than that he can't stay healthy.
4. Crabtree. Achilles are the hardest injury to come back from, especially for WRs. Sounds like the earliest he'd be back would be mid-November, and he probably wouldn't be effective for a few more games, if at all.

Vereen is still available in one of my leagues (never got dropped in another), and I'd consider grabbing him, but a) I'd have to drop Steve Smith, and b) I don't have a backup QB/TE, so absent an injury or trade, I'll be using that roster spot for my bye-week fill-ins during Weeks 9-10 (and possibly Week 12 if I want to keep the Cinci D).

Nice post. I appreciate your reasoning but I disagree.

Have them in this order:

1.) Vereen - Gronk is not a given this season, and the current active roster lacks playmakers. Vereen showed what he's capable of in week one, and my guess is he becomes the Pats most valuable weapon later on this year. His injury has nothing to do with his legs or feet, so we know he should be ready to roll once he's out there full speed. Any kind of leg, foot, or even hamstring or shin issue would be concerning. A hand fully rehabbed is not an issue.

2.) Brown - He's coming off a broken leg, which is less concerning relatively to an ACL or achilles. But still a concern on how quickly he can get back into "football shape". He may need some time to ramp back up, but Brandon Jacobs isn't going to fend him off and the only other legit competition is Wilson, who is right now a wreck. I think Brown will get the opportunity to be a late season Bryce Brown type back.

3.) Harvin - I admit, I don't own him. Even if I did, I'd be worried about the hip. WR's like Harvin depend on their quick first step and stride/hops. Does the hip support Harvin's God given talents? I guess we'll find out soon. Another concern is we haven't seen how he'll mesh with the Seahawks offense. Ideally, he should be dynamite, but till we see his usage and snap percentages, it's big question mark. Huge ceiling but very uncertain floor. If we are talking about lining up them by who has the highest ceiling, Harvin's your winner hands down. Wish I did own him, just feel he's more of a long shot compared to expectations.

4.) Crabtree - Admit, I own him. Not expecting much coming off an achilles. Think about how many WR's come back from achilles? There's not much evidence to suggest he'll be the Crabtree of old. Still, worth a gamble over lesser waiver wire talents because of the potential to be a big part of the SF offense going forward. But I'm not optimistic.

Great post. I think Dem. Thomas came back from an achilles injury, right?

 

[LawFitz]

Scooped Vereen in one league this week and received some nice text messages and groans from other owners. Trying like crazy to trade for him in another league, but his owner is a stiff jack who hates making trades, so it's unlikely I get him there.

The Pats runners this year have been underwhelming and so have their receivers. Regardless of whether Gronk comes back, they will need to lean on Vereen as a weapon when he returns. And like others mentioned, he'll be back with fresh legs against tired defenses.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

My take on all these guys:

1. Harvin clearly has the most value. Looks like he'll be back soon and could be productive right away. He's long gone in both of my leagues.
2. Vereen. Injury wasn't nearly as bad as some of the others. Not totally clear what his role will be in that crowded backfield, but he seems like a decent bet to fulfill his potential as a rich man's Danny Woodhead.
3. Brown. I guess he's OK, but I'm not all that excited. Giants are terrible and will be playing behind a lot. And outside of that Carolina game last year, guy hasn't shown much, other than that he can't stay healthy.
4. Crabtree. Achilles are the hardest injury to come back from, especially for WRs. Sounds like the earliest he'd be back would be mid-November, and he probably wouldn't be effective for a few more games, if at all.

Vereen is still available in one of my leagues (never got dropped in another), and I'd consider grabbing him, but a) I'd have to drop Steve Smith, and b) I don't have a backup QB/TE, so absent an injury or trade, I'll be using that roster spot for my bye-week fill-ins during Weeks 9-10 (and possibly Week 12 if I want to keep the Cinci D).

Nice post. I appreciate your reasoning but I disagree.

Have them in this order:

1.) Vereen - Gronk is not a given this season, and the current active roster lacks playmakers. Vereen showed what he's capable of in week one, and my guess is he becomes the Pats most valuable weapon later on this year. His injury has nothing to do with his legs or feet, so we know he should be ready to roll once he's out there full speed. Any kind of leg, foot, or even hamstring or shin issue would be concerning. A hand fully rehabbed is not an issue.

2.) Brown - He's coming off a broken leg, which is less concerning relatively to an ACL or achilles. But still a concern on how quickly he can get back into "football shape". He may need some time to ramp back up, but Brandon Jacobs isn't going to fend him off and the only other legit competition is Wilson, who is right now a wreck. I think Brown will get the opportunity to be a late season Bryce Brown type back.

3.) Harvin - I admit, I don't own him. Even if I did, I'd be worried about the hip. WR's like Harvin depend on their quick first step and stride/hops. Does the hip support Harvin's God given talents? I guess we'll find out soon. Another concern is we haven't seen how he'll mesh with the Seahawks offense. Ideally, he should be dynamite, but till we see his usage and snap percentages, it's big question mark. Huge ceiling but very uncertain floor. If we are talking about lining up them by who has the highest ceiling, Harvin's your winner hands down. Wish I did own him, just feel he's more of a long shot compared to expectations.

4.) Crabtree - Admit, I own him. Not expecting much coming off an achilles. Think about how many WR's come back from achilles? There's not much evidence to suggest he'll be the Crabtree of old. Still, worth a gamble over lesser waiver wire talents because of the potential to be a big part of the SF offense going forward. But I'm not optimistic.

Great post. I think Dem. Thomas came back from an achilles injury, right?

I agree, that was a great post.

Question about this:

I think Brown will get the opportunity to be a late season Bryce Brown type back.

Hyperbole, or really possible?

I do see the Giants having a late season surge, they cannot stay this bad. But is this really possible? Main question is if Andre Brown is splitting carries with Wilson towards the end or is it going to be Brown's backfield? It's a risk, who can tell, but that would be great.

 

[tdhartis]

Hyperbole, or really possible?

I do see the Giants having a late season surge, they cannot stay this bad. But is this really possible? Main question is if Andre Brown is splitting carries with Wilson towards the end or is it going to be Brown's backfield? It's a risk, who can tell, but that would be great.

Consider that Wilson has an injury that the coaches may be very hesitant to play him with, even if doctors clear him. I can't remember the player (either DL or OL) that had the same condition, was cleared to play by doctor's, and McCarthy refused to play him regardless. Also, when Wilson and Brown have been the two backs splitting carries in the past, Brown was the lead of the committee and took the goal line snaps. I have both, and am rather confident that Brown will have the most value of the two down the stretch, and that he does have a Bryce Brown type limit if things start clicking in NY.

 

[the spanker]

Hyperbole, or really possible?

I do see the Giants having a late season surge, they cannot stay this bad. But is this really possible? Main question is if Andre Brown is splitting carries with Wilson towards the end or is it going to be Brown's backfield? It's a risk, who can tell, but that would be great.

Consider that Wilson has an injury that the coaches may be very hesitant to play him with, even if doctors clear him. I can't remember the player (either DL or OL) that had the same condition, was cleared to play by doctor's, and McCarthy refused to play him regardless. Also, when Wilson and Brown have been the two backs splitting carries in the past, Brown was the lead of the committee and took the goal line snaps. I have both, and am rather confident that Brown will have the most value of the two down the stretch, and that he does have a Bryce Brown type limit if things start clicking in NY.

I don't even know why guys still hang on to the notion Wilson has anything to offer at this point. I'd rather have Brown and Jacobs right now.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Hyperbole, or really possible?

I do see the Giants having a late season surge, they cannot stay this bad. But is this really possible? Main question is if Andre Brown is splitting carries with Wilson towards the end or is it going to be Brown's backfield? It's a risk, who can tell, but that would be great.

Consider that Wilson has an injury that the coaches may be very hesitant to play him with, even if doctors clear him. I can't remember the player (either DL or OL) that had the same condition, was cleared to play by doctor's, and McCarthy refused to play him regardless. Also, when Wilson and Brown have been the two backs splitting carries in the past, Brown was the lead of the committee and took the goal line snaps. I have both, and am rather confident that Brown will have the most value of the two down the stretch, and that he does have a Bryce Brown type limit if things start clicking in NY.

I don't even know why guys still hang on to the notion Wilson has anything to offer at this point. I'd rather have Brown and Jacobs right now.

I agree with you. I have Brown and Jacobs in a league where Wilson sits on the waiver wire.

 

[tdhartis]

Hyperbole, or really possible?

I do see the Giants having a late season surge, they cannot stay this bad. But is this really possible? Main question is if Andre Brown is splitting carries with Wilson towards the end or is it going to be Brown's backfield? It's a risk, who can tell, but that would be great.

Consider that Wilson has an injury that the coaches may be very hesitant to play him with, even if doctors clear him. I can't remember the player (either DL or OL) that had the same condition, was cleared to play by doctor's, and McCarthy refused to play him regardless. Also, when Wilson and Brown have been the two backs splitting carries in the past, Brown was the lead of the committee and took the goal line snaps. I have both, and am rather confident that Brown will have the most value of the two down the stretch, and that he does have a Bryce Brown type limit if things start clicking in NY.

I don't even know why guys still hang on to the notion Wilson has anything to offer at this point. I'd rather have Brown and Jacobs right now.

I agree with you. I have Brown and Jacobs in a league where Wilson sits on the waiver wire.

One Brown is back, I think Jacobs is just about as worthless as Wilson.

 

[weebs]

Hmm drop Zach Stacy for Vereen? Sitting at 4-2

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Hyperbole, or really possible?

I do see the Giants having a late season surge, they cannot stay this bad. But is this really possible? Main question is if Andre Brown is splitting carries with Wilson towards the end or is it going to be Brown's backfield? It's a risk, who can tell, but that would be great.

Consider that Wilson has an injury that the coaches may be very hesitant to play him with, even if doctors clear him. I can't remember the player (either DL or OL) that had the same condition, was cleared to play by doctor's, and McCarthy refused to play him regardless. Also, when Wilson and Brown have been the two backs splitting carries in the past, Brown was the lead of the committee and took the goal line snaps. I have both, and am rather confident that Brown will have the most value of the two down the stretch, and that he does have a Bryce Brown type limit if things start clicking in NY.

I don't even know why guys still hang on to the notion Wilson has anything to offer at this point. I'd rather have Brown and Jacobs right now.

I agree with you. I have Brown and Jacobs in a league where Wilson sits on the waiver wire.

One Brown is back, I think Jacobs is just about as worthless as Wilson.

Yes, I agree with this too. I'm not even starting Jacobs this weekend. He's last minute flex insurance in case one of my guys tweaks a hammy during Sunday Morning warmups.

 

[zftcg]

My take on all these guys:

1. Harvin clearly has the most value. Looks like he'll be back soon and could be productive right away. He's long gone in both of my leagues.
2. Vereen. Injury wasn't nearly as bad as some of the others. Not totally clear what his role will be in that crowded backfield, but he seems like a decent bet to fulfill his potential as a rich man's Danny Woodhead.
3. Brown. I guess he's OK, but I'm not all that excited. Giants are terrible and will be playing behind a lot. And outside of that Carolina game last year, guy hasn't shown much, other than that he can't stay healthy.
4. Crabtree. Achilles are the hardest injury to come back from, especially for WRs. Sounds like the earliest he'd be back would be mid-November, and he probably wouldn't be effective for a few more games, if at all.

Vereen is still available in one of my leagues (never got dropped in another), and I'd consider grabbing him, but a) I'd have to drop Steve Smith, and b) I don't have a backup QB/TE, so absent an injury or trade, I'll be using that roster spot for my bye-week fill-ins during Weeks 9-10 (and possibly Week 12 if I want to keep the Cinci D).

Nice post. I appreciate your reasoning but I disagree.

Have them in this order:

1.) Vereen - Gronk is not a given this season, and the current active roster lacks playmakers. Vereen showed what he's capable of in week one, and my guess is he becomes the Pats most valuable weapon later on this year. His injury has nothing to do with his legs or feet, so we know he should be ready to roll once he's out there full speed. Any kind of leg, foot, or even hamstring or shin issue would be concerning. A hand fully rehabbed is not an issue.

2.) Brown - He's coming off a broken leg, which is less concerning relatively to an ACL or achilles. But still a concern on how quickly he can get back into "football shape". He may need some time to ramp back up, but Brandon Jacobs isn't going to fend him off and the only other legit competition is Wilson, who is right now a wreck. I think Brown will get the opportunity to be a late season Bryce Brown type back.

3.) Harvin - I admit, I don't own him. Even if I did, I'd be worried about the hip. WR's like Harvin depend on their quick first step and stride/hops. Does the hip support Harvin's God given talents? I guess we'll find out soon. Another concern is we haven't seen how he'll mesh with the Seahawks offense. Ideally, he should be dynamite, but till we see his usage and snap percentages, it's big question mark. Huge ceiling but very uncertain floor. If we are talking about lining up them by who has the highest ceiling, Harvin's your winner hands down. Wish I did own him, just feel he's more of a long shot compared to expectations.

4.) Crabtree - Admit, I own him. Not expecting much coming off an achilles. Think about how many WR's come back from achilles? There's not much evidence to suggest he'll be the Crabtree of old. Still, worth a gamble over lesser waiver wire talents because of the potential to be a big part of the SF offense going forward. But I'm not optimistic.

Great post. I think Dem. Thomas came back from an achilles injury, right?

Yes, he did. Injured it in February, returned to the lineup in October but didn't really emerge until early December.

Crabtree got hurt in May, so if you assume roughly the same timetable, he wouldn't be relevant until the last week or two of the season. Now, maybe he's in better shape, maybe the technique has improved in the past two years, who knows? I think the important point is that if he returns in mid-November, you have to assume another month before he's doing anything.

 

[the spanker]

Hyperbole, or really possible?

I do see the Giants having a late season surge, they cannot stay this bad. But is this really possible? Main question is if Andre Brown is splitting carries with Wilson towards the end or is it going to be Brown's backfield? It's a risk, who can tell, but that would be great.

Consider that Wilson has an injury that the coaches may be very hesitant to play him with, even if doctors clear him. I can't remember the player (either DL or OL) that had the same condition, was cleared to play by doctor's, and McCarthy refused to play him regardless. Also, when Wilson and Brown have been the two backs splitting carries in the past, Brown was the lead of the committee and took the goal line snaps. I have both, and am rather confident that Brown will have the most value of the two down the stretch, and that he does have a Bryce Brown type limit if things start clicking in NY.

I don't even know why guys still hang on to the notion Wilson has anything to offer at this point. I'd rather have Brown and Jacobs right now.

I agree with you. I have Brown and Jacobs in a league where Wilson sits on the waiver wire.

One Brown is back, I think Jacobs is just about as worthless as Wilson.

But Brown is not back yet is he? And if Brown were to get injured I'd rather have Jacobs than Wilson going forward.

 

[kingmalaki]

FWIW, I snagged 3 of these players in a MFL league where I'm 5-1 (14 man roster, bench of 6). 3 opponents are FBG members, so I figured I had to pounce early.

Vereen - After week 2. I drafted him, dropped him post injury, and picked him back up immediately.

Harvin - After week 4, mainly because I read this thread.

Brown - This week (dropped Pryor for him). My RB's are very weak.

In my ESPN league where I'm 5-1 (16 man roster, bench of 7) and there are no FBG members:

Vereen - Same as above.

Brown - This week (dropped Hunter for him).

Harvin - An opponent snagged him after week 3.

In my Yahoo league where I'm 3-3 (13 man roster, bench of 5) and there are no FBG members:

Harvin - This week (dropped Bowe for him).

Vereen and Brown are still free agents (byes upcoming and very small benches).

My advice is to add Harvin yesterday and add Vereen/Brown now, especially Vereen. I think anyone who is a member here will be all over these guys by now, and I have seen blurbs about picking up everyone but Brown on other sites. Brown is probably the only one you can get right when he comes back.

 

[kd1]

I think the Vereen love is getting out of control. He should be solid, but his value is going to be severely capped if Ridley doesn't go back to sucking and fumbling soon. Seems like he has the biggest barrier to re-entry to overcome of the 3.

 

[Koya]

Why didn't they put him on IR?

I dont know but I wish they did so he wont be wasting a bench spot for me for another 6 weeks!

They probably wanted to let him continue to practice with the team, especially as his healing progresses.

First year, new system and teammates - it was likely worth a roster spot for a talents team that could afford to wait as opposed to have the last guy on the roster for a few weeks.