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Should Caleb Williams Sit Out Rest Of Year? (2 Viewers)

Should Caleb Williams Sit Out Rest Of Year?


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Wonder if he is receiving NIL money and what kind of contract terms are involved with that?
Great talking point! There really aren't any standards to NIL agreements. His agreements could be as simple as making an appearance to get paid, with no language about playing. I do not know.

It would be nice if this info was made public. As the saying goes, sunlight is the best disinfectant.
 
Wonder if he is receiving NIL money and what kind of contract terms are involved with that?
Great talking point! There really aren't any standards to NIL agreements. His agreements could be as simple as making an appearance to get paid, with no language about playing. I do not know.

It would be nice if this info was made public. As the saying goes, sunlight is the best disinfectant.
Can't speak to it's accuracy, but I posted this link above that seems fairly legit - https://www.on3.com/db/caleb-williams-17251/nil/
 
Wonder if he is receiving NIL money and what kind of contract terms are involved with that?
Great talking point! There really aren't any standards to NIL agreements. His agreements could be as simple as making an appearance to get paid, with no language about playing. I do not know.

It would be nice if this info was made public. As the saying goes, sunlight is the best disinfectant.
Can't speak to it's accuracy, but I posted this link above that seems fairly legit - https://www.on3.com/db/caleb-williams-17251/nil/
Thanks for sharing. I am having issues accessing more details. Is there anything in these contracts about a requirement to play, if healthy?
 
Wonder if he is receiving NIL money and what kind of contract terms are involved with that?
Great talking point! There really aren't any standards to NIL agreements. His agreements could be as simple as making an appearance to get paid, with no language about playing. I do not know.

It would be nice if this info was made public. As the saying goes, sunlight is the best disinfectant.
Can't speak to it's accuracy, but I posted this link above that seems fairly legit - https://www.on3.com/db/caleb-williams-17251/nil/
Thanks for sharing. I am having issues accessing more details. Is there anything in these contracts about a requirement to play, if healthy?
I'm not a subscriber so I can't say if it is located there or not, but I don't find it with my level of access.
 
Exactly what do some of you think could negatively happen that would have a big impact on his draft stock? If you are going to say injury be more specific as to what type of injury you are talking about.
Remember Tank for Tua when he was in the discussion for last #1 overall. And then he had a serious hip injury and fell to 5th overall. He's made lots of $$$ but possibly would've made more without the injury.
 
Could have sworn a few weeks ago people were trying to make it a discussion that he might actually return to USC in 2024 if he was not fond of teams who controlled his draft rights.

We are now, just a few weeks later, having people say he might just go ahead and leave now and I'd be willing to guess a lot of the same people who though it made sense for him to return are trying to justify how it makes sense for him to leave now.

People just swaying on one hot take after another these days.
 
Exactly what do some of you think could negatively happen that would have a big impact on his draft stock? If you are going to say injury be more specific as to what type of injury you are talking about.
Remember Tank for Tua when he was in the discussion for last #1 overall. And then he had a serious hip injury and fell to 5th overall. He's made lots of $$$ but possibly would've made more without the injury.
Thanks for trying but I don't agree he'd have gone that high or think $6M over 4 years was that major of a loss relative to QB pay.
 
two subpar games, so sit out the year, makes complete sense. Go make another Wendy's commercial.
dude is so overrated it's laughable..
Completely disagree. Even the best players force things at times. He's a lock top 3 pick and still likely #1 overall. They have been grading this kid since high school. 2 games aren't going to drop him
IDK, more than 2. I think he needs to play, and play well vs Oregon, Washington and UCLA to remain a top 3 pick.
 
I agree with Meno, there is too much recency bias and overreaction to 2 weeks. No argument that Caleb has not played well but some other factors that appear to be contributing to his play:
  1. Riley is a terrible in-game manager. DYK in the second half of the COL game the SC offense consistently snapped the ball with at least 15 seconds remaining on the game clock? Unles Riley improves in this area he will always be a bridesmaid, at best, to winning a natty.
  2. I do not have access to all 22 film, but it appears the WRs are having trouble getting open.
  3. Some of SC's best offensive players have been hurt and unable to play.
 
Dane Brugler
@dpbrugler

Saying it again: It'll be very, very surprising if the first 3 picks in the 2024 NFL Draft aren't QB Caleb Williams, QB Drake Maye and WR Marvin Harrison Jr. (but not necessarily that order).
Hard to disagree, but man, take a look at the QB play in the NFL right now. There will be a lot of QB-desperate teams come the draft next year. It wouldn't shock me if teams bypassed on Harrison to take a QB. Michael Penix, Jordan Travis and Jayden Daniels all come to mind as players a team may reach on.
 
If Will Levis shows he can play, his second contract will be $200M+. Jalen Hurts was drafted in the 2nd round. Work hard, play well, keep improving. The money will come.
Hurts is an unusual outcome. He ended up on a team that gave up on the #2 overall pick and a roster that ended up loaded. Sure, huge contracts could come in the future if QBs play really well, but how many not that 2nd or 3rd round picks become stars. That's why I was suggesting that college kids should want to jump at the chance of getting a guaranteed $35+ million.

This guys were all recent 2nd or early 3rd round picks: Hendon Hooker, Desmond Ridder, Kyle Trask, Kellon Mond, Davis Mills, Drew Lock, DeShone Kizer, Christian Hackenberg, Garrett Grayson, and Mason Rudolph. I don't see those guys getting a decent contract. I am sure all those players would have loved Top 5 overall money.
 
I didn't actually think people thought anyone but him was gonna be the #1 pick. Debates are good though. Don't think any conversation could change my mind personally. Only thing that would change his #1 pick status would be injury. Which is why this is an interesting topic.
 
I regret basically nothing in life, but the things that come close are not having more fun and doing more awesome things in college.

He could have an acl injury tomorrow and still go 1 or 2. I coudl be wrong and it costs him $10M. If he's really that good, he'll be just fine in his life financially. No way I'd sit out.
This. 100%.
 
If Will Levis shows he can play, his second contract will be $200M+. Jalen Hurts was drafted in the 2nd round. Work hard, play well, keep improving. The money will come.
Hurts is an unusual outcome. He ended up on a team that gave up on the #2 overall pick and a roster that ended up loaded. Sure, huge contracts could come in the future if QBs play really well, but how many not that 2nd or 3rd round picks become stars. That's why I was suggesting that college kids should want to jump at the chance of getting a guaranteed $35+ million.

This guys were all recent 2nd or early 3rd round picks: Hendon Hooker, Desmond Ridder, Kyle Trask, Kellon Mond, Davis Mills, Drew Lock, DeShone Kizer, Christian Hackenberg, Garrett Grayson, and Mason Rudolph. I don't see those guys getting a decent contract. I am sure all those players would have loved Top 5 overall money.

I can see this will be a circular argument. If any of those 2nd or early 3rd round guys show they can play, they'll get that 2nd contract. (see, Geno Smith, Kirk Cousins, Derek Carr, Jimmy Garrapolo, Russell Wilson, Dak Prescott). Show you can play and add value to your team.
 
Dane Brugler
@dpbrugler

Saying it again: It'll be very, very surprising if the first 3 picks in the 2024 NFL Draft aren't QB Caleb Williams, QB Drake Maye and WR Marvin Harrison Jr. (but not necessarily that order).
Hard to disagree, but man, take a look at the QB play in the NFL right now. There will be a lot of QB-desperate teams come the draft next year. It wouldn't shock me if teams bypassed on Harrison to take a QB. Michael Penix, Jordan Travis and Jayden Daniels all come to mind as players a team may reach on.
you’re probably right or close to, but Fashanu has a really good chance to be the best of the bunch. I’d hate to see my titans pass on him to take the 4th or 5th QB (if they pick that late)
 
If Will Levis shows he can play, his second contract will be $200M+. Jalen Hurts was drafted in the 2nd round. Work hard, play well, keep improving. The money will come.
Hurts is an unusual outcome. He ended up on a team that gave up on the #2 overall pick and a roster that ended up loaded. Sure, huge contracts could come in the future if QBs play really well, but how many not that 2nd or 3rd round picks become stars. That's why I was suggesting that college kids should want to jump at the chance of getting a guaranteed $35+ million.

This guys were all recent 2nd or early 3rd round picks: Hendon Hooker, Desmond Ridder, Kyle Trask, Kellon Mond, Davis Mills, Drew Lock, DeShone Kizer, Christian Hackenberg, Garrett Grayson, and Mason Rudolph. I don't see those guys getting a decent contract. I am sure all those players would have loved Top 5 overall money.

I can see this will be a circular argument. If any of those 2nd or early 3rd round guys show they can play, they'll get that 2nd contract. (see, Geno Smith, Kirk Cousins, Derek Carr, Jimmy Garrapolo, Russell Wilson, Dak Prescott). Show you can play and add value to your team.
It's not a circular argument, as we are discussing different things. You are saying if a QB gets a legit chance and hits a home run, he can get a giant contract. I am not disputing that. I know the QB market is crazy right now, but compared to the number of QBs that get drafted or signed into the league, the majority of them are not making $40 million a year.

I am discussing that a QB coming out of college can only rely on his initial contract upon entering the NFL as the only one he might ever get. Teams with early draft picks often are terrible and those early picks may not pan out (the list is long and includes Carson Wentz). Wentz was a big cog in a SB winning team and still never really got that holy grail contract.

What I also am saying is not every QB that is drafted after the first wave of quarterbacks early in a draft will get a chance to even start in the league. Some guys do (and succeed) but many do not get much of a chance. Wentz is also an example that teams will often give a second or third chance to an early pick, but he's flamed out at three organizations and can't get a job.

Since this discussion was all about Caleb Williams, if I were advising him, I would likely tell him to keep playing but not to take many risks or try too hard to scramble for that few extra yards. It won't make sense for him to go back to college if he appears like a lock Top 5 pick. And it's not really worth the risk of getting hurt and seeing his draft stock slide into the second round with an injury.

As for your position that if great players play great they will be well compensated, that still would hold true whether a guy came into the league guaranteed $40 million or $1 million. Might as well take the money when you know it is there. Either way, if you don't play well, you won't hit the contract megabucks lottery.
 
two subpar games, so sit out the year, makes complete sense. Go make another Wendy's commercial.
dude is so overrated it's laughable..
Completely disagree. Even the best players force things at times. He's a lock top 3 pick and still likely #1 overall. They have been grading this kid since high school. 2 games aren't going to drop him
I don't know much about Wilson so this is not a commentary on him but there were teams scouting Terrelle Pryor in high school and we saw how that worked out.
 
As the best scout on this forum, I will stand tall and firm and tell you that both Penix and Maye are BETTER than Caleb. And will be better in the pros.

Nothing to do with this thread, except that at this point, if NFL scouts were are smart as I am, he's the 3rd QB taken in April... So sitting or not doesn't really matter.
 
two subpar games, so sit out the year, makes complete sense. Go make another Wendy's commercial.
dude is so overrated it's laughable..
Completely disagree. Even the best players force things at times. He's a lock top 3 pick and still likely #1 overall. They have been grading this kid since high school. 2 games aren't going to drop him
I don't know much about Wilson so this is not a commentary on him but there were teams scouting Terrelle Pryor in high school and we saw how that worked out.
apples and oranges. Pryor was a round 3 pick and people thought that was high. Very few thought his skill set translated to the NFL. Nobody thinks that about Caleb. He's as NFL ready as we've seen in awhile. Draft King odds for first pick in the NFL draft today. Caleb -450, Maye +400, Harrison +2000. Those are the top 3. That's after his 2 subpar games
 
As the best scout on this forum, I will stand tall and firm and tell you that both Penix and Maye are BETTER than Caleb. And will be better in the pros.

Nothing to do with this thread, except that at this point, if NFL scouts were are smart as I am, he's the 3rd QB taken in April... So sitting or not doesn't really matter.
IIRC you’re best known for Josh Gordon fandom 🤷
 
As the best scout on this forum, I will stand tall and firm and tell you that both Penix and Maye are BETTER than Caleb. And will be better in the pros.

Nothing to do with this thread, except that at this point, if NFL scouts were are smart as I am, he's the 3rd QB taken in April... So sitting or not doesn't really matter.
IIRC you’re best known for Josh Gordon fandom 🤷

of course. still the best WR talent the league has had since 2000.

but my college scouting is also impeccable.
 
This whole thing is what's wrong with college athletics. The USC's of the world. They kill a 100+ year old conference. They have a fan base of front runners, who are already bailing on the season. They have an overrated coaching staff, an overrated QB who is complaining about being drafted by a bad NFL team.......so he wants part ownership?? This dude is gonna flop in the NFL......and USC is gonna flop in the B1G.
 
Given that Caleb Williams has established himself as known commodity in the six or so years since he first entered the QB development industry, the number of NFL teams that would hold him taking the rest of the year off is likely negligible. I also imagine that he's had insurance for awhile now.

 
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Strongly agree. At worst, he’s the number 2 pick and guaranteed what, $27-$28mm? He’s 21? That’s life changing money for me and I’m a successful 40 year old. He gets hurt he could cost himself $10mm+.

It is a business decision, it’s that simple.
 
Strongly agree. Actually any top 10 projected player that doesn't have a team in the college playoff hunt should sit. If an NFL team wants to complain about it, then they weren't likely drafting you anyway.

Agent ... "Hey you can sit the ret of the year and be a top 3 pick w $45M in your bank account. Or you can risk injury and try to get USC to 7-4."
Any sane person ... "Um, I'll sit thanks."

And yes he is going #1. No other QB has his level of skills. Penix? Nix? Maye? Maye just lost to UVA. It can't get worse than that. Caleb could throw 10 picks in the next 2 games and he'd still go #1. CHI can get a boatload for him. Or they can get mediocre compensation for Fields. Their choice. Harrison? OK maybe CHI goes Harrison then Caleb to save some kind of money but that would be the only reason
 
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And yes he is going #1.

I disagree, but of course it's 10000000000000% possible. There will be teams that have him #1, no doubt. There will be teams that don't.

For me, no matter if he goes 1/2/3 for qbs, he won't be the best of them. Just personal opinion.
 
I wouldn't want to draft a QB sitting out.
I'd question his toughness and ability to lead a team after like week ten when everyone is banged up some.
He will get drafted and praised and probably still be the rookie of the year favorite but...he's gonna look like a spoiled brat with the timing of asking for team ownership then sitting.
 
I wouldn't want to draft a QB sitting out.
I'd question his toughness and ability to lead a team after like week ten when everyone is banged up some.
He will get drafted and praised and probably still be the rookie of the year favorite but...he's gonna look like a spoiled brat with the timing of asking for team ownership then sitting.
Toughness???
I guess fine line between toughness and stupid.
Even if he was an actual robot like many fans seem to think players are, even a robot and get damaged.
Let's see, what's more important my family and future.........or the next month.

Sheesh
 
We all have our own opinions on things and I respect that. Having said that, some of these takes are crazy. Its funny how we form opinions about what a young man should do without actually knowing anything about the young man or his family. Some opinions feel like they are based on watching Rudy or Rocky.
 
I wouldn't want to draft a QB sitting out.
I'd question his toughness and ability to lead a team after like week ten when everyone is banged up some.
He will get drafted and praised and probably still be the rookie of the year favorite but...he's gonna look like a spoiled brat with the timing of asking for team ownership then sitting.

I don't believe Williams asked for team ownership nor discussed sitting out. This is all rumor-monger speculative stuff for now, not originating with Williams or his team. The team ownership stuff was I believe based entirely on a Florio tweet, so we know what that's worth. Everyone knows that's not possible absent extraordinary departure from long-established rules. The sitting out rumor as noted in Joe's OP is a speculative tweet from Emanuel Acho stating Acho's unsolicited thoughts on the question, not a report from Williams. Acho is a popular commentator who is extremely focused on his own online brand.
 
The thing about sitting is that he hurts all his teammates that are also trying to get drafted higher. WR’s, RB’s, OL, all those guys are going to look a lot worse now.

Sure, it’s his life and his call. But part of life, and being a QB, is making sure you’re leading by example and looking out for your teammates. It may or may not hurt him, but if I was a GM, it would be a check mark in the negative category. I’m just not sure how big of a check mark.
 
I wouldn't want to draft a QB sitting out.
I'd question his toughness and ability to lead a team after like week ten when everyone is banged up some.
He will get drafted and praised and probably still be the rookie of the year favorite but...he's gonna look like a spoiled brat with the timing of asking for team ownership then sitting.
Toughness???
I guess fine line between toughness and stupid.
Even if he was an actual robot like many fans seem to think players are, even a robot and get damaged.
Let's see, what's more important my family and future.........or the next month.

Sheesh
The context is the most nitpicky meat market aka the NFL draft. It's status quo to question the toughness of every sitting or injured player.

I don't think the salary and future money matters here. I mean I want to concede your point but I never think much of the financial cries of the guy picked ten instead of one. "You're set for life, shush." Then there's going to a better team than the worst team and that's another part of this debate. Nothing has ever proven to matter in that context- successful pros are successful pros period. I have no doubt Trubisky would stink in KC and Mahomes rock in Chi-town. Yeah Reid would lead Mahomes to a Super better than Bears coaches but I'm not predicting a single QB ever leads their team to a Superbowl win on their first contract so while it's a common debate it's quite overblown imo.

And sitting is viewed badly now by the NFL.
Everyone in earth questions whether it's good to sit a year and draft a guy as if he didn't but COVID happened, the NFL did that and reports have been trickling out with numbers showing it's one of the worst drafts ever yet if they simply went with who played and who didn't, it would have been a good draft....so it's bad timing to sit too
 
The thing about sitting is that he hurts all his teammates that are also trying to get drafted higher. WR’s, RB’s, OL, all those guys are going to look a lot worse now.
This is a big one for me in the conversation. His decision does have an effect on his teammates.
 
The thing about sitting is that he hurts all his teammates that are also trying to get drafted higher. WR’s, RB’s, OL, all those guys are going to look a lot worse now.

Sure, it’s his life and his call. But part of life, and being a QB, is making sure you’re leading by example and looking out for your teammates. It may or may not hurt him, but if I was a GM, it would be a check mark in the negative category. I’m just not sure how big of a check mark.
Yeah but maybe he helps Miller Moss?
 
Then there's going to a better team than the worst team and that's another part of this debate. Nothing has ever proven to matter in that context- successful pros are successful pros period. I have no doubt Trubisky would stink in KC and Mahomes rock in Chi-town. Yeah Reid would lead Mahomes to a Super better than Bears coaches but I'm not predicting a single QB ever leads their team to a Superbowl win on their first contract so while it's a common debate it's quite overblown imo.
Kind of a weird take imo. Or maybe I just disagree. There’s no doubt in my mind that the QB Reid helps develop has a much better chance to succeed than the average bear.
From the teams with a chance to have a a top pick, I’d much rather work with Payton than most others. (Honestly Vrabel but I’m biased).

But for Caleb, there’s still the rumors that Riley could follow him to the NFL. Although he tried to reject that notion recently. if the Bears got the top pick it would be well within reason for them to fire Eberflus and bring Riley in before the draft.
 
If he wants to think short term and maximize his health, then sure. Hell most likely be healthy then for the draft and still go #1-2. However, he will be selling his career short by putting an unnecessary label of a "quitter" on himself. That will set him back with any team he goes to and the fanbase.
 
If he wants to think short term and maximize his health, then sure. Hell most likely be healthy then for the draft and still go #1-2. However, he will be selling his career short by putting an unnecessary label of a "quitter" on himself. That will set him back with any team he goes to and the fanbase.
Should Drake Maye, who may be taken before Williams, also sit out?
 
If he wants to think short term and maximize his health, then sure. Hell most likely be healthy then for the draft and still go #1-2. However, he will be selling his career short by putting an unnecessary label of a "quitter" on himself. That will set him back with any team he goes to and the fanbase.
Should Drake Maye, who may be taken before Williams, also sit out?
I don't think either should sit out. Just adds unnecessary baggage that doesn't need to be there. How many QBs have had career threatening I juries their senior year? Yea it can happen. It could have always happened yet guys have stayed and played for decades.

They're treating the draft as the finish line on their future finances. It should be the starting point to their lifetime earnings.
 
I say play (for a lot of reasons in this thread) but if these were the old Sam Bradford days (50M guaranteed before he ever stepped on an NFL field), I'd say he'd be crazy if he took another college snap.
 

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