"Stand by Israel because they are God's Chosen People" (1 Viewer)

[timschochet]

As a person very close to many people who believe this way, they feel that the preservation of morality and God's commands is somehow a political mandate. This falls right in line with that. The Jewish people are like the prodigal son to Evangelicals and we just want them to come back to God so it is our job to try and protect them until they come back.

I do find it interesting that this one little people group is constantly at the center of worldwide events. I don't feel like we have some God-ordained mandate to support their nation and politics at all times, but I do believe they are God's chosen people. However, that is up to God to care for them, not the USA.

I am confused, when did the Jewish people leave God?

I'd have to go with "when they burned his Son on the cross" for $200 Alex

Jews aren't allowed to join the KKK. There's an eligibility problem.

 

[Mister CIA]

my spiritual notion (not strong enough yet to call it a belief), based on a holistic view of the NT, is that the term "Israel" scripturally now means the entire body of Jehovah-God followers - not just the Jews, but also Christians.

politically, my view is that the US should remain strong allies with the country of Israel because they are the country in that region most closely aligned with our principles.

I stopped reading at "our principles."

 

[CowboysFromHell]

my spiritual notion (not strong enough yet to call it a belief), based on a holistic view of the NT, is that the term "Israel" scripturally now means the entire body of Jehovah-God followers - not just the Jews, but also Christians.

politically, my view is that the US should remain strong allies with the country of Israel because they are the country in that region most closely aligned with our principles.

I stopped reading at "our principles."

Ummmm. What was the alternative???

 

[Mister CIA]

my spiritual notion (not strong enough yet to call it a belief), based on a holistic view of the NT, is that the term "Israel" scripturally now means the entire body of Jehovah-God followers - not just the Jews, but also Christians.

politically, my view is that the US should remain strong allies with the country of Israel because they are the country in that region most closely aligned with our principles.

I stopped reading at "our principles."

Ummmm. What was the alternative???

To stop reading at "my spiritual notion," to name one.

 

[proninja]

It is dispensational nonsense, which is an American abberation for whatever reason. We're the only ones who think this on any sort of scale in the global community, and it's a bit of a theological embarrassment. Every other Christian believes that when the NT refers to "Israel" it refers to the church which includes people of all nationalities including but not limited to Israel.

 

[proninja]

I've been hearing this a lot lately and I cringe every time I hear it. It really bothers me and is a legit issue people should have with religion and politics. I don't understand the theology behind this sentiment at all. I'm not sure it even exists. There's a clear distinction here between the theology and the politics and I don't understand why one would go out of their way to muddy the two.

Thoughts?

This may help you understand the theology:

http://www.gotquestions.org/dispensationalism.html

Basically, dispensationalists believe in an eschatology that has different ways for dealing with the church and national Israel. There are some other highlights that link will explain better than I could.

 

[Zow]

my spiritual notion (not strong enough yet to call

it a belief), based on a holistic view of the NT, is that the term "Israel" scripturally now means the entire body of Jehovah-God followers - not just the Jews, but also Christians.

politically, my view is that the US should remain strong allies with the country of Israel because

they are the country in that region most closely aligned with our principles.

I stopped reading at "our principles."

Given that's the conclusory phrase and end of the comment, that would make sense.

 

[babydemon90]

What makes 21st century "Israel" comparable to the "Israel" in the OT, other then the name? Could probably make the argument the Palestinians are closer ethnically to the OT chosen people, no?

 

[Rohn Jambo]

I am a little rusty on the Bible stories.

Timchochet, what did the Israelites do to become God's chosen people? It is not clear to me whether it is a reward, a punishment or something else.

 

[The Commish]

I've been hearing this a lot lately and I cringe every time I hear it. It really bothers me and is a legit issue people should have with religion and politics. I don't understand the theology behind this sentiment at all. I'm not sure it even exists. There's a clear distinction here between the theology and the politics and I don't understand why one would go out of their way to muddy the two.

Thoughts?

This may help you understand the theology:

http://www.gotquestions.org/dispensationalism.html

Basically, dispensationalists believe in an eschatology that has different ways for dealing with the church and national Israel. There are some other highlights that link will explain better than I could.

Yeah, I ran across this while trying to read up on it and understand it. By all accounts, it appears that we can simply chalk this up to bad theology (as I believe shader said on page 1).

 

[Jayrod]

I am a little rusty on the Bible stories.

Timchochet, what did the Israelites do to become God's chosen people? It is not clear to me whether it is a reward, a punishment or something else.

Per the OT:

God promised Abraham that he would be the father of a special people, a chosen nation that would be a blessing to the world. That promise was then continued through his son Isaac and then Isaac's son Jacob. Jacob was then renamed "Israel" and his 12 sons became the 12 tribes of Israel. They multiply in Egypt, become a large group of people, then migrate to modern day Israel.

There is a lot of details going on in between that stuff, but that is the gist.

 

[timschochet]

I am a little rusty on the Bible stories.

Timchochet, what did the Israelites do to become God's chosen people? It is not clear to me whether it is a reward, a punishment or something else.

Per the OT:God promised Abraham that he would be the father of a special people, a chosen nation that would be a blessing to the world. That promise was then continued through his son Isaac and then Isaac's son Jacob. Jacob was then renamed "Israel" and his 12 sons became the 12 tribes of Israel. They multiply in Egypt, become a large group of people, then migrate to modern day Israel.

There is a lot of details going on in between that stuff, but that is the gist.

hey are you Timschochet? He asked me. I get to answer this one.

 

[Jayrod]

I am a little rusty on the Bible stories.

Timchochet, what did the Israelites do to become God's chosen people? It is not clear to me whether it is a reward, a punishment or something else.

Per the OT:God promised Abraham that he would be the father of a special people, a chosen nation that would be a blessing to the world. That promise was then continued through his son Isaac and then Isaac's son Jacob. Jacob was then renamed "Israel" and his 12 sons became the 12 tribes of Israel. They multiply in Egypt, become a large group of people, then migrate to modern day Israel.

There is a lot of details going on in between that stuff, but that is the gist.

hey are you Timschochet? He asked me. I get to answer this one.

sorry. It had been like 5 hours.

 

[timschochet]

It's the bagels. God likes a good bagel in the morning. You think He eats grits for breakfast? Think again.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

I am a little rusty on the Bible stories.

Timchochet, what did the Israelites do to become God's chosen people? It is not clear to me whether it is a reward, a punishment or something else.

Per the OT:God promised Abraham that he would be the father of a special people, a chosen nation that would be a blessing to the world. That promise was then continued through his son Isaac and then Isaac's son Jacob. Jacob was then renamed "Israel" and his 12 sons became the 12 tribes of Israel. They multiply in Egypt, become a large group of people, then migrate to modern day Israel.

There is a lot of details going on in between that stuff, but that is the gist.

I see. It explains why Jesus is Jewish,