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I assume we are getting that in the last two eps.  If not?  totally agree with you.
I thought the same before the show and I agree it would be dumb to bring him back for nothing but what would they show? We had 3 movies and the clone wars series to go through their relationship. Maybe a few brief visions like what we saw a few episodes ago? 

 
I’m going to try really hard to convince myself that the same physics that allow TIE fighters to bank and their blasters to make noise in a vacuum applies to how tunnels work, but it’s a tough sell.

 
If Phantom Menace was broken up in parts and shown weekly people probably would've liked it more. OBwan isn't much better. Having someone to care about is the only difference between the two.

 
Absolutely loved it. So much Vader 🥰🥰

So we got our reason for bringing Hayden in. Thought it was well done weaving it throughout the plot and then Obi fooled him at the end. “last time I saw you I was but a learner” :thumbup:  
 

Vader leaving third sister alive didn’t make any sense other than Vader just doesn’t think she’s even worth it. 

 
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Absolutely loved it. So much Vader 🥰🥰

So we got our reason for bringing Hayden in. Thought it was well done weaving it throughout the plot and then Obi fooled him at the end. “last time I saw you I was but a learner” :thumbup:  
 

Vader leaving third sister alive didn’t make any sense other than Vader just doesn’t think she’s even worth it. 


I thought it was great.  Loved having the old practice duel throughout.

The fight with the sister was cool too.  She had zero chance.   You have to off her there.  Don't get that.

Totally saw her turn coming but not quite in that way....

 
She didn’t really turn. She just has anger at Vader as well as the Jedis. Perhaps he wants to tap into that dark power in the future.  He’s obviously not worried about her at this point, she’s hardly worth the time.

 
She didn’t really turn. She just has anger at Vader as well as the Jedis. Perhaps he wants to tap into that dark power in the future.  He’s obviously not worried about her at this point, she’s hardly worth the time.


No but her anger towards Vader is greater than her allegiance to the empire.  They won't take her back now.   Wondering what she will do with that info

 
Some cheese but Vader makes this great.  He was just playing around with Third Sister.  His total destruction of the transport - beautiful.  

His leaving her alive was lame.  I fully expected him to Count Dooku her with the two blades.  Anakin had no problem killing people in The Clone Wars series.  Now he’s a super evil dude, so leaves her to die.  Uh, you survived getting roasted like a wiener with no limbs  The Grand Inquisitor just survived getting stabbed.  So I should believe he’d leave a trained force-sensitive traitor alive.  Come on.

Him kicking her ### was enjoyable though.   

 
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Although I am getting a little tired of Vader never really “winning.”   In the movies/TV he’s only really killed non-force users.  There is the reputation and we are seeing some great feats.  But in the end he never wins.  They need to have him involved with people who can die.  He can’t kill Ezra or Ashoka in Rebels.  He’s not killing Obi Wan.  They didn’t even let him kill Third Sister.  

 
Vader didn’t even dignify her with his own lightsaber.  So mint.  

Third Sister is going to come back and somehow save Obiwan after Vader thinks he’s dead.  He needs a way to go back into hiding. 

 
Vader didn’t even dignify her with his own lightsaber.  So mint.  

Third Sister is going to come back and somehow save Obiwan after Vader thinks he’s dead.  He needs a way to go back into hiding. 
IIRC, Vader brings up Ashoka helping him find Obi Wan in Rebels.  Vader thinks he’s still alive.

 
Although I am getting a little tired of Vader never really “winning.”   In the movies/TV he’s only really killed non-force users.  There is the reputation and we are seeing some great feats.  But in the end he never wins.  They need to have him involved with people who can die.  He can’t kill Ezra or Ashoka in Rebels.  He’s not killing Obi Wan.  They didn’t even let him kill Third Sister.  
Maybe if ol' Ani had listened to his masters, he'd "win" more when it counts.  As Obi Wan showed us, Anakin/Vader's aggression makes him his own worst enemy. 

 
Man I just don’t get how a Star Wars fan could dislike that episode. But to each their own. 
Sorry I just fine a group of civilians killing multiple stormtroopers while not losing any civilians, a 10 year old girl fixing electric issues and Vader not just killing the third sister ridiculous story telling. 

 
Although I am getting a little tired of Vader never really “winning.”   In the movies/TV he’s only really killed non-force users.  There is the reputation and we are seeing some great feats.  But in the end he never wins.  They need to have him involved with people who can die.  He can’t kill Ezra or Ashoka in Rebels.  He’s not killing Obi Wan.  They didn’t even let him kill Third Sister.  
Winning doesn’t always mean killing, does it?

He wiped the floor with third sister. If that’s not a win, I don’t know what is.

 
Sorry I just fine a group of civilians killing multiple stormtroopers while not losing any civilians, a 10 year old girl fixing electric issues and Vader not just killing the third sister ridiculous story telling. 
If that’s what you are focused on after that episode then Star Wars probably isn’t your thing. Almost every movie or tv show they’ve done has had multiple moments of complete ridiculousness. We love it because it’s nostalgic and because it absolutely rules, not because it’s well-written. A new hope is one of the dumbest written movies I’ve ever seen, who cares? 

 
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I thought it was great fun. Here are a couple of thoughts:

As soon as Vader gave 3rd Sis the Grand Inquisitor badge I told my wife that is like wearing a red uniform on Star Trek, your time is over. But I was wrong as the former GI who was run through by 3rd Sis suddenly reappeared after Vader kicked her butt, maybe some time in that  Bacta tank? And then after a complete rag doll ### kicking he leaves her there so she can find her way to the Bacta tank too?

And why did Leia need a ladder when she put on her master electrician hat? Why didn't OWK just levitate her to the spot with some force magic, could have saved some time...

 
There’s no doubt about that. Totally agree. 
I mean, I wasn't assuming Vader was sitting around knitting mittens between getting lavafied and choking people out on Leia's ship in the 1st movie, but seeing him actually getting up to no good kinda limits my happiness for this guy going to Force ghost heaven once he croaked.

 
Winning doesn’t always mean killing, does it?

He wiped the floor with third sister. If that’s not a win, I don’t know what is.
In these cases I’d say yes unless you imprison them.  It’s been established in this series they are killing any force sensitives.  He wiped the floor with Third Sister but voluntarily failed the mission.  With Ashoka and Ezra not killing them helped doom the Empire.  Ezra eliminated one of their best strategists and Ashoka was a key leader in the rebellion.  

I just think we need to see Vader actually do the things it’s said about him regarding the Jedi.  Show us some of the 90% victories and not just the 10% losses.  That’s all. 

 
They did just show us a basement full of stuffed Jedi trophies - I imagine Vader had some involvement in hunting down and killing those folks (i.e. "winning" vs. force enabled).

 
Sorry I just fine a group of civilians killing multiple stormtroopers while not losing any civilians, a 10 year old girl fixing electric issues and Vader not just killing the third sister ridiculous story telling. 
I'll see this, and raise you laser swords, force ghosts, and teddy bears beating an Imperial military.  Star Wars has always been ridiculous story telling.  This isn't Breaking Bad,  it's mindless escapist fantasy, and always has been, from day one. 

 
I'll see this, and raise you laser swords, force ghosts, and teddy bears beating an Imperial military.  Star Wars has always been ridiculous story telling.  This isn't Breaking Bad,  it's mindless escapist fantasy, and always has been, from day one. 
Totally forgot about the teddy bear army taking down the empire. Can you imagine, even for a second, if that happened today? Disney etc would be absolutely annihilated for that — instead, the same people doing most of the snark now (not anybody in this thread) feel like that is the some of the peak Star Wars

 
I'll see this, and raise you laser swords, force ghosts, and teddy bears beating an Imperial military.  Star Wars has always been ridiculous story telling.  This isn't Breaking Bad,  it's mindless escapist fantasy, and always has been, from day one. 


Totally forgot about the teddy bear army taking down the empire. Can you imagine, even for a second, if that happened today? Disney etc would be absolutely annihilated for that — instead, the same people doing most of the snark now (not anybody in this thread) feel like that is the some of the peak Star Wars
The American Colonials and Viet Cong were "teddy bear" armies too. They each bested far better equipped armies. Look at Ukraine versus what appeared be a far superior Russian army. History is full of examples of rag tag groups beating superior forces.

And anyway...the Ewoks defeated one legion on Endor - not the entire Empire. The Rebel forces defeated the Imperial Fleet and blew up the Death Star. It's not like Wickett chucked a rock into space and took out a Star Destroyer.

Which brings us to Ep. 5 of Obi Wan. It was pretty good. Everyone (except A New Hope Obi Wan) knows that Storm Troopers can't shoot straight - they're conscripts after all. And Vader left Reva alive as a last dig - basically telling her he sees her as zero threat.

And we finally get to see The Force in use like I've always thought it should be. The only other time was in one of The Clone Wars episodes where Yoda pulls a Star Destroyer from the sky. Vader was awesome in Obi Wan #5.

 
I think the biggest problem is with just about all of Disney Star Wars is the writing. 

I can handle inconsistencies - with the number of stories that have been told by so many people, it's to be expected that all the pieces won't all fit together.

But some of these events and stories just don't fit the lore.

Lore is defined as "Accumulated knowledge or beliefs held by a group about a subject, especially when passed from generation to generation by oral tradition."

Particularly when it came to the sequel trilogy, I often found myself wondering "Did these people even watch Star Wars?" - double especially for Rian Johnson. I think it would have served Disney well you have a small staff of die hard fans outside the echo chamber that they simply ask "Hey, does this idea fit the Star Wars universe?" A lot of blowback could be and could have been avoided.

 
Why waste all that time setting up heavy guns when the Third Sister could have just walked up to the door and sliced it in half?
Also Luke and Leia are the biggest secrets in the galaxy but hey lets have a hologram message detailing exactly where they are and what they are doing that anyone can see

 
The American Colonials and Viet Cong were "teddy bear" armies too. They each bested far better equipped armies. Look at Ukraine versus what appeared be a far superior Russian army. History is full of examples of rag tag groups beating superior forces.

And anyway...the Ewoks defeated one legion on Endor - not the entire Empire. The Rebel forces defeated the Imperial Fleet and blew up the Death Star. It's not like Wickett chucked a rock into space and took out a Star Destroyer.

Which brings us to Ep. 5 of Obi Wan. It was pretty good. Everyone (except A New Hope Obi Wan) knows that Storm Troopers can't shoot straight - they're conscripts after all. And Vader left Reva alive as a last dig - basically telling her he sees her as zero threat.

And we finally get to see The Force in use like I've always thought it should be. The only other time was in one of The Clone Wars episodes where Yoda pulls a Star Destroyer from the sky. Vader was awesome in Obi Wan #5.
I fully believe this was a deleted scene that Lucas cut for time.   :D

I do get it.  My point was that the writing and the dialogue have never been particularly good in Star Wars, even from the original movie.  That's not what it was about.  It was a fun, weekly adventure serial that started as a movie and grew into a franchise.  We look back on it now with reverence not because of how good the writing was, but because of how it made us feel as kids.  And I'm ok with that.  There's lots of other "prestige" movies and TV out there, and if that's what I'm in the mood for, I'll search out one of those.  I don't look for it in Star Wars. 

 
I think the biggest problem is with just about all of Disney Star Wars is the writing. 

I can handle inconsistencies - with the number of stories that have been told by so many people, it's to be expected that all the pieces won't all fit together.

But some of these events and stories just don't fit the lore.

Lore is defined as "Accumulated knowledge or beliefs held by a group about a subject, especially when passed from generation to generation by oral tradition."

Particularly when it came to the sequel trilogy, I often found myself wondering "Did these people even watch Star Wars?" - double especially for Rian Johnson. I think it would have served Disney well you have a small staff of die hard fans outside the echo chamber that they simply ask "Hey, does this idea fit the Star Wars universe?" A lot of blowback could be and could have been avoided.
That is what Filoni and Favs have been trying to do. They were involved here but it’s not their full show either. What didn’t fit lore?  There was some poor writing,  on-sense decisions, and cheese, but I thought it fit. 
 

The sequels had a good start to build from and then totally destroyed it. I don’t get how there was no overall plan for the story. Somehow Palpatine is back!!!

 
That is what Filoni and Favs have been trying to do. They were involved here but it’s not their full show either. What didn’t fit lore?  There was some poor writing,  on-sense decisions, and cheese, but I thought it fit. 
 

The sequels had a good start to build from and then totally destroyed it. I don’t get how there was no overall plan for the story. Somehow Palpatine is back!!!
They need to kick Kathleen Kennedy to the damn curb and give the job to Jon Favreau and not look back

 
Agree, she has not been good for the franchise.  Let Favreau and Filoni steward this thing going forward. 


That’s the civil war going on behind the scenes 
Kind of crazy that it is even a discussion, let alone a civil war.  Her record is not good with the franchise, at least from building a solid foundation/strategy.  She has made a ton of money for Disney though, which is likely what is keeping her afloat.  

A better strategy/execution for the franchise could have made just as much (if not more) money though, and set things up for the future better.  Here's to hoping F&F are the Ewoks in this battle and come out on top. 

 
I think the biggest problem is with just about all of Disney Star Wars is the writing. 

I can handle inconsistencies - with the number of stories that have been told by so many people, it's to be expected that all the pieces won't all fit together.

But some of these events and stories just don't fit the lore.

Lore is defined as "Accumulated knowledge or beliefs held by a group about a subject, especially when passed from generation to generation by oral tradition."

Particularly when it came to the sequel trilogy, I often found myself wondering "Did these people even watch Star Wars?" - double especially for Rian Johnson. I think it would have served Disney well you have a small staff of die hard fans outside the echo chamber that they simply ask "Hey, does this idea fit the Star Wars universe?" A lot of blowback could be and could have been avoided.
I think this is true of some of the sequels.  I also think Disney has realized their mistakes in that series and learned from them.

 
I thought Kennedy took a step back and creatively and F&F are in charge there. Or did I imagine that? I thought she was doing all the administrative stuff. 

 
Capella said:
I thought Kennedy took a step back and creatively and F&F are in charge there. Or did I imagine that? I thought she was doing all the administrative stuff. 


Not fully like that.  

It is crazy how many successful movies her name is attached to though.  I tried to really give her the benefit of the doubt.

 
Kathleen Kennedy filmography excerpts:

Executive producer

  • Gremlins (1984)
  • Young Sherlock Holmes (1985)
  • Back to the Future (1985)
  • The Goonies (1985)
  • An American Tail (1986)
  • Batteries Not Included (1987)
  • Who Framed Roger Rabbit (1988)
  • Back to the Future Part II (1989)
  • Gremlins 2: The New Batch (1990)
  • Back to the Future Part III (1990)
  • Cape Fear (1991)
  • Schindler's List (1993)
  • The Lost World: Jurassic Park (1997)
  • Signs (2002)
  • Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull (2008)
Producer

  • E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial (1982)
  • The Color Purple (1985)
  • The Money Pit (1986)
  • Empire of the Sun (1987)
  • Arachnophobia (1990)
  • Hook (1991)
  • Jurassic Park (1993)
  • Alive (1993)
  • The Indian in the Cupboard (1995)
  • Congo (1995)
  • The Bridges of Madison County (1995)
  • Twister (1996)
  • The Sixth Sense (1999)
  • Jurassic Park III (2001)
  • A.I. Artificial Intelligence (2001)
  • Seabiscuit (2003)
  • Munich (2005)
  • War of the Worlds (2005)
  • The Curious Case of Benjamin Button (2008)
  • Lincoln (2012)
Associate producer

  • Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981) (associate to Steven Spielberg)
  • Poltergeist (1982)
  • Twilight Zone: The Movie (1983) (Segment "Time Out")
  • Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom (1984)
  • Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (1989)
Co-executive producer

  • Innerspace (1987)
  • The Land Before Time (1988)
 
Gr00vus said:
The more of this I see, the more I feel Anakin didn't deserve the "happy ending" at the end of Return Of The Jedi.
Killed the Emperor, saved the galaxy.

ETA: Like Stalin.

 
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