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TE Mark Andrews, BAL (4 Viewers)
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dipandglide
Footballguy
A lot. Plus, he's coming off that nasty injury last year. I'm not saying he can't be a value, I'm just saying I wouldn't bank on it. The good news is it should get better than this
GreenNGold
Footballguy
The good news is it should get better than this
That does seem.... likely
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Chaka
Footballguy
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
not directed at you so much as the other FBGs cracking wise
Me and Larry Ellison combined made $2.4Bn today.
Not at all. He looked like he was laboring out there. Both him and Kelce looked old and slow.
Likely isn't going away and fits this offense way better. Andrews isn't the best TE on his team anymore.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
I mean Andrews came of a pretty serious injury last year plus a mystery accident
I only took him in best ball and that feels like 5 bucks wasted across drafts
I only took him in best ball and that feels like 5 bucks wasted across drafts
karl.Racki
Footballguy
Which has pretty much nothing to do with performance.. LJ has just built a relationship with Likely and likes him better. It happens.
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
Likely certainly has showed ability, would have been a top 10 TE last year if on about 30 other teams. There are target opps in Baltimore though, Flowers is a gadget player miscast as a number 1 WR, so there's a place for Andrews to eat but I don't know if his body is going to allow it.
I don't know what the long term effects of diabetes are either, I don't recall an athlete playing at this level with it, does it age you early in any way?
Blick
Footballguy
When Noah Gray outscores Kelce, you need to be worried.When Noah Gray outscores Andrews, you need to be worried.
Just one game, but it didn't look good. Its the lack of targets that's most concerning. I lost a lot of value on a number of dynasty rosters last night.
Agree. Both of these guys may have hit the cliff.
Kelce suddenly looks really old. Something about that stash. And I bet something about winning a championship, hanging out with celebs, etc.
jm192
Footballguy
I think he's not in game shape. He missed 2 weeks after the accident. He came back to practice ~5 days ago according to google.
He was shown on the sideline a few times and ABSOLUTELY gassed.
I don't think he had some massive fall off the day before turning 29. I think he's just not had the conditioning. Being diabetic probably doesn't help when you're trying to run harder than your body is ready for.
I'm not going to go pay for a top 5 TE if that's the cost. But I'm trying to buy low. And I don't think it's going to cost top 5 TE price. People are panicking.
FWIW, I have very little Andrews. I've got him in 1 dynasty (and I would love to off-load him there). But re-draft wise, I think way better days are ahead.
Hartliner
Footballguy
Just want to point out the top TEs in Week 1 of 2023. We got the full weekend to process. More games will be played and we will see the volatility of the NFL continue- Lots of surprises are coming. I'm giving Andrews some time to get into football shape. If over the weekend we don't get a shinier FA then sure I will place a faab at most of 33% on Likely. My guess is that this is Likely's best game of season though.
| Player |
| 1. Hunter Henry |
| 2. Hayden Hurst |
| 3. Donald Parham Jr. |
| 4. Blake Bell |
| 5. Harrison Bryant |
| 6. Pat Freiermuth |
| 7. Luke Musgrave |
| 8. Evan Engram |
| 9. Tyler Higbee |
| 10. Durham Smythe |
| 11. Kyle Pitts |
| 12. Cole Kmet |
Yeah, but this is different. He has a guy who showed elite talent last night competing with him.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I want to make a “marked myself safe from drafting Mark Andrews” badge for my profile.
These are not the same thing:
- Henry: 5 receptions, 56 yds, 1 TD, 6 Targets
- Hurst: 5/41/1/7
- Parham: 3/22/1/3
- Bell: 2/12/1/2
- Bryant: 2/5/1/2
- Muth: 1/3/1/4
- Musgrave: 3/50/0/4
- Engram: 5/49/0/5
- Higbee: 3/49/0/3
- Smythe: 3/44/0/7
- Pitts: 2/44/0/3
- Kmet: 5/44/0/7
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Scoresman
Footballguy
x.com
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Re-watched every snap that Mark Andrews was on the field last night. I was the lowest on our show on Andrews coming into the year so I could take a pretend victory lap, but instead, I have a message after watching the film. DO NOT PANIC...here's why:
I added up every "opportunity for a target" through the entire night, based on the coverage and routes run.
1st Half:
1 Dump Off Opp (No Target)
1 Dump Off Opp (Caught, Penalty)
1 Dump Off Opp (No Target)
2nd Half:
Over the Middle Opp 1 on 1 (Catch)
1 Dump off Opp (No Target)
1 Flat Opp (Catch)
*MAYBE* a brief seam chance at 5:15
*MAYBE* a Dump Off Opp (No Target)
He was bracketed on anything downfield all night. On the final 2 plays of the game, he had THREE defenders covering him.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Andrews looked a little rusty with limited practice time while mentally recovering from his accident. That being said, he ran 38 routes to 35 routes for Likely. The biggest difference was that the Chiefs schemed to take Andrews out of the game and let Likely roam to his spots with a single defender on him most of the game. Andrews saw bracket coverage or had more defenders in his area, while Likely got to operate in space most of the time. Not sure that was on Andrews . . . that's how the Chiefs played it.
NFL defenses are not going to continually ignore a player and allow him to put up 9-111-1 (with another potential game tying TD) consistently without changing their strategy and devoting more resources to stop that. Andrews has never been the best athlete or a high motor / speed guy. He's been a reliable big-bodied receiver that gets tough catches in the middle of the field. Likely plays more like a move TE or a WR. There's room for both of them in the Ravens offense. I expect Andrews will still see a ton of catches when he sticks his foot in the ground past the sticks and turns to haul in a pass in front of closing defenders.
NFL defenses are not going to continually ignore a player and allow him to put up 9-111-1 (with another potential game tying TD) consistently without changing their strategy and devoting more resources to stop that. Andrews has never been the best athlete or a high motor / speed guy. He's been a reliable big-bodied receiver that gets tough catches in the middle of the field. Likely plays more like a move TE or a WR. There's room for both of them in the Ravens offense. I expect Andrews will still see a ton of catches when he sticks his foot in the ground past the sticks and turns to haul in a pass in front of closing defenders.
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
There was clearly a game-plan to take Andrews out of the game.x.com
Re-watched every snap that Mark Andrews was on the field last night. I was the lowest on our show on Andrews coming into the year so I could take a pretend victory lap, but instead, I have a message after watching the film. DO NOT PANIC...here's why:
I added up every "opportunity for a target" through the entire night, based on the coverage and routes run.
1st Half:
1 Dump Off Opp (No Target)
1 Dump Off Opp (Caught, Penalty)
1 Dump Off Opp (No Target)
2nd Half:
Over the Middle Opp 1 on 1 (Catch)
1 Dump off Opp (No Target)
1 Flat Opp (Catch)
*MAYBE* a brief seam chance at 5:15
*MAYBE* a Dump Off Opp (No Target)
He was bracketed on anything downfield all night. On the final 2 plays of the game, he had THREE defenders covering him.
That said, if it’s that easy to do that, and if the results are a frustrated LJax & a checkmark in the W column, why wouldn’t every other team now do this?
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
one issue last night was the one time he tried to do that his leg didn’t cooperate. He had an each catch & run for a 1st down +, but his leg gave out on him before he tried to cut.
I watched that play a few times. He didn’t slip.
That looked to me like post-injury psychological hesitation. (There’s probably a real medical/psychological name for this, but I don’t know it). I do know the issue well though as I experienced it after knee surgery. It took me over a year to learn to walk up stairs without hesitating to put my repaired leg down into a forceful step. I’d subconsciously brace for impact.
Sure looked like that’s what happened on that play. If so, until he gets past that, it’s gonna be a long year for Andrews shareholders.
Drunken Cowboy
Footballguy
For late drafts, how far does he fall? How high does Likely climb?
ZWK
Footballguy
Good thread.
Also, Nathan Jahnke's QT:
And Matt Waldman with film breakdown of multiple plays where the Chiefs' pass coverage was focused on shutting down Andrews (click through for video breakdown)
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Football Jones
Footballguy
Anyone panicking on Andrews didn’t pay attention to the coverage. He was bracketed on the vast majority of his routes, especially in the RZ. It’s not rocket science as far as Spags trying to take him out of the game, but Likely putting up big numbers could be beneficial. Also, I highly doubt the ankle had anything to do with him falling down. He suited up in the playoffs and was moving around pretty good.
We’ll have to see how Ds adjust, but Andrews has never looked overly athletic (kind of sneaky athletic). He has a very nuanced game, though. There’s a number of ways this could go, but Andrews is likely to get his.
Long-term, I suspect Andrews will move on from the Ravens as a FA in ‘26. KC would be ideal.
We’ll have to see how Ds adjust, but Andrews has never looked overly athletic (kind of sneaky athletic). He has a very nuanced game, though. There’s a number of ways this could go, but Andrews is likely to get his.
Long-term, I suspect Andrews will move on from the Ravens as a FA in ‘26. KC would be ideal.
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jm192
Footballguy
There was clearly a game-plan to take Andrews out of the game.x.com
Re-watched every snap that Mark Andrews was on the field last night. I was the lowest on our show on Andrews coming into the year so I could take a pretend victory lap, but instead, I have a message after watching the film. DO NOT PANIC...here's why:
I added up every "opportunity for a target" through the entire night, based on the coverage and routes run.
1st Half:
1 Dump Off Opp (No Target)
1 Dump Off Opp (Caught, Penalty)
1 Dump Off Opp (No Target)
2nd Half:
Over the Middle Opp 1 on 1 (Catch)
1 Dump off Opp (No Target)
1 Flat Opp (Catch)
*MAYBE* a brief seam chance at 5:15
*MAYBE* a Dump Off Opp (No Target)
He was bracketed on anything downfield all night. On the final 2 plays of the game, he had THREE defenders covering him.
That said, if it’s that easy to do that, and if the results are a frustrated LJax & a checkmark in the W column, why wouldn’t every other team now do this?
KC is the best team in the league with one of the best QB's of all-time. We were a Likely toe tap away from a 2 point conversion to maybe steal the game (In KC no less). I'm not sure most other NFL teams beat the Ravens last night.
Most teams probably aren't up 2 scores on the Ravens in the 2nd half this year. Playing from behind the entire 2nd half, Lamar threw it 41 times. He ran it 16 times, many of which started off as pass plays.
I think they would prefer to be more balanced and make the defense at least consider the (non-Lamar scramble) running game. I think with a more balanced offense, he'll have more time for plays to develop, and it won't all be quick hitters to Flowers, Likely, and Hill.
That's my thinking on why the strategy won't work every game. But Andrews could still flop if he's asked to block a ton and coming off the field so often in 1 TE sets.
After reading everything on Twitter, I suspect things will be ok. I'd still like to target him as a buy low if I can find some panicked owners.
I honestly don't care about the coverage or the attention he was given.
He has ALWAYS had that. Heck, he probably has less attention now since Baltimore finally has decent weapons like Flowers.
He looked different last night. Might he be a tad rusty? Sure. But I would be worried if I was an Andrews owner.
He has ALWAYS had that. Heck, he probably has less attention now since Baltimore finally has decent weapons like Flowers.
He looked different last night. Might he be a tad rusty? Sure. But I would be worried if I was an Andrews owner.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Could Likely be a buy high and Andrews a buy (super) low at the same time? Maybe. IF Andrews is dealing with some rust that will wear off in coming weeks, he and Likely could be Lamar's 1a and 1b in target share this season. Flowers is a good (not great) player, but after that the WRs are super meh.
ATB
Footballguy
What would you want to pay for him? I got an offer for my DHop and Taysom Hill for his Andrews.
The Frankman
Footballguy
I'm making offers to the Andrews owner after waivers process (he has Likely also). He's not 100% yet, but no way the LJax-Andrews connection that has been built up for Lamar's NFL career dissipates.
massraider
Footballguy
Analytics out there that KC doubled him all game pretty much, and he puts up stinkers against KC going back years. They focus on taking him out of the game.
I didn't see any other WR worth a darn on the team, so I think Andrews/Flowers/Likely will be the main guys going forward. Ha, and Justice Hill.
I didn't see any other WR worth a darn on the team, so I think Andrews/Flowers/Likely will be the main guys going forward. Ha, and Justice Hill.
johnnyboy8102
Footballguy
I am buying Andrews. He ran a bunch of routes. He will get his.
Deamon
Footballguy
Flowers looked awesome.
Football Jones
Footballguy
BTW, Andrews outsnapped Likely. It didn't seem like it during the game, but it was 59 (74%) to 53 (66%) in Andrews' favor.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Andrews won't be blanketed every week now that they have to account for Likely and Flowers.
Football Jones
Footballguy
Yeah, dud game for Andrews, but it very well may be a good thing going forward.
I hung out with a guy this weekend at the Pearl Jam concert in Philly. His contact list is a who’s who in the NFL, From Troy Aikman to Andy Reid to OBJ to Lamar Jackson to McNabb.
He said Lamar Jackson is not loyal to who he throws balls to. He said grab Isaiah Likely because he will most “likely” be the guy going forward this season to own.
He said Lamar Jackson is not loyal to who he throws balls to. He said grab Isaiah Likely because he will most “likely” be the guy going forward this season to own.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Isn't that a contradiction? "not loyal" and "likely".I hung out with a guy this weekend at the Pearl Jam concert in Philly. His contact list is a who’s who in the NFL, From Troy Aikman to Andy Reid to OBJ to Lamar Jackson to McNabb.
He said Lamar Jackson is not loyal to who he throws balls to. He said grab Isaiah Likely because he will most “likely” be the guy going forward this season to own.
Yes. The not loyal part was in regards to Mark Andrew’s, my bad. . He’s not afraid to move onto the next thing that’s going to help him.Isn't that a contradiction? "not loyal" and "likely".I hung out with a guy this weekend at the Pearl Jam concert in Philly. His contact list is a who’s who in the NFL, From Troy Aikman to Andy Reid to OBJ to Lamar Jackson to McNabb.
He said Lamar Jackson is not loyal to who he throws balls to. He said grab Isaiah Likely because he will most “likely” be the guy going forward this season to own.
Ray Barboni
Footballguy
Dynasty price check …
Would a ‘25 2nd round rookie pick do the trick? Too much? Not enough?
I’d pay that, and probably add in an upside bench player. Not sure I would
Go any higher than that - what say you Andrews owners?
Would a ‘25 2nd round rookie pick do the trick? Too much? Not enough?
I’d pay that, and probably add in an upside bench player. Not sure I would
Go any higher than that - what say you Andrews owners?
Blick
Footballguy
I'd easily pay that but think I would still need a late 1st to sell him.
Big Nate
Footballguy
Depending on league (is it TEP?) its in the ballpark. Problem is if the Likely owner wants to cash out or if they think they can win big by holding. Always the tricky part in dynasty. Each league is so different and each manager is different. Does the manager prefer picks or players?
ilianawindfae
Footballguy
Not to beat a dead horse, but looks like he's wearing a weighted vest out there.
Let him run block, he's not that guy anymore.
Let him run block, he's not that guy anymore.
