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[Instinctive]

I need 164 points. Feels just out of reach. I blame my wife, and her friends, because I did not swap out my defense on Thursday due to being busy and not looking. Shame on me. Younger Instinctive never would have made the choice to not worry about it. Cost me 15 points. (literally any other defense on my team, all of which I picked up so as not to start the one I started, scored double digits more than the one I played...)

 

[Dreamer]

Imagine putting 14 hour work days in for weeks to get invites out, make sure people's usernames match their emails, answer questions, help write a set of rules, set up leagues, and many other task to finish in 12th place in your division. Just imagine. Karma, I do not believe in you.

Your efforts are appreciated, and I think many of us know how much work you put into this. Great job.

 

[Gatorade]

Managed to be in first place this week for the first time at 10-3. I still think next week will be a must win. Three teams are behind me at 9-4 and all have higher point totals. Besides, I don't think I have enough total points to get in if I am not on the top two.

 

[Ruffrodys05]

We've got a team in our division that sits at 1-11, with 11 straight losses. Every week he is involved, making waiver moves, grabbing players FCFS. If he is not legitimately trying to win anymore he is most definitely trying to play spoiler. Every single member of my division has been heavily active all year. I am thankful for that. I want my competition to bring the best they've got. I lost a game where I scored over 160 points...my opponent scored 5 more. I've already scored enough that I am close to the cutline already yet my record stands at 7-5 and I am sitting in 4th place. AWESOME!!!

I don't recognize anyone in my division from the these boards though, so, that is a little disappointing.

@Joey Wright I also would like to know if participation this inaugural season guarantees an automatic invite next year, before it is opened up for new participants?

Thanks for having me!

Not sure if you are referring to my team or not, but most things check out...I won week 1 and lost every week since and your username is similar to the 4th place team. Weirdly, I still like the team I've drafted. I did forget to get Jacobs in my lineup this week, so I'll admit it's hard to keep plugging along on a random league with strangers when you are not doing well.

@C & C Hey there bigred1....had been thinking no one else in the league was on these boards. Happy to have been mistaken.

Nice WIN this weekend!!! The losing streak is over! Really appreciate you staying as competitive as possible. I had hoped Chubb could get me what I needed Monday night. Twas not to be. By the way, I too still like my drafted team. It helps that I'm still starting 7 or 8 picks from the top half of the draft, depending on the week. Only really painful injury to date was losing Godwin. A few nuisance injuries. I'm fortunate that with my W/L record being so poor, although not a losing record, my team scored just well enough to keep on dancing in Wk.15.

 

[barackdhouse]

I've punched my ticket to the dance based on record. I could finish tied for 4th on Wins/Losses but I have outscored both those possible teams by 189 pts and 271 respectively so the 2 seed is guaranteed. I could win the 1 seed still as well but it won't matter. If I end up tied with the 1 seed in the W/L columns then they have me outscored by 113.

I'm in 118th overall ATM but that 1 seed is 19th overall.

There is a team in our division (88) that is 6-7 but needs a very doable 111 to make that 1975 cutline.

 

[Gally]

I do have Isaac Guerendo. It just feels like I should start him.

I have him too. Don't think I will start him but thinking about it.

 

[Gally]

Jumped up to 1st in Division 0113. It's a four way tie at 9-4 but I have the point lead (by 7, 130, & 150). Need 74 pts to reach the cutline of 1975 pts.

 

[-OZ-]

I've punched my ticket to the dance based on record. I could finish tied for 4th on Wins/Losses but I have outscored both those possible teams by 189 pts and 271 respectively so the 2 seed is guaranteed. I could win the 1 seed still as well but it won't matter. If I end up tied with the 1 seed in the W/L columns then they have me outscored by 113.

I'm in 118th overall ATM but that 1 seed is 19th overall.

There is a team in our division (88) that is 6-7 but needs a very doable 111 to make that 1975 cutline.

Interesting. I’m basically in, sitting at 1951 points after last nights game. First in 0115, but if I lose this week to a team already knocked out and the second place team outscores me by >8 points I’d fall to second.
If Bucky doesn’t play I’ll have to start Patrick Taylor, with Henry on bye and Dobbins out. So ultimately this is closer than I’d like. I haven’t dropped dobbins as he might return week 17.

Mostly stayed injury free most of the year except Godwin and dobbins. First four picks really helped - St brown, Henry, Achane, McBride

 

[TheWinz]

Jamo got me a respectable 13 points to start the week, but I'm still projected to miss the 1975 cut by 6 points.

 

[BassNBrew]

Jamo got me a respectable 13 points to start the week, but I'm still projected to miss the 1975 cut by 6 points.

Projected to miss by 1.5

 

[Joey Wright]

Jamo got me a respectable 13 points to start the week, but I'm still projected to miss the 1975 cut by 6 points.

Projected to miss by 1.5

Nah. You'll get in. You can beat your projections by 1.5!!! I need to score something like 489 to get in. I think i might miss the cutline.

 

[Gally]

Since we are close to the end I finally looked at the rules for playoffs. Seems like there is a big advantage given to pts scored on the year as you get your avg pts added to your score. So the cut line is really all that matters. Finishing 1st or 2nd really doesn't do anything for you moving forward. In fact if you were in a super balanced league that distributed pts very evenly and you went in having only scored 1875 pts you will be at a big disadvantage.

I wonder if for next year there should be some value given to 1st and 2nd place finishers. Certain amount of pts per win or pts for being 1st and lesser pts for being 2nd.

Just a thought. It feels like there should be some benefit to finishing 1st or 2nd in the regular season. Otherwise it is essentially a total points league.

What do others think?

 

[MrJimiT]

Since we are close to the end I finally looked at the rules for playoffs. Seems like there is a big advantage given to pts scored on the year as you get your avg pts added to your score. So the cut line is really all that matters. Finishing 1st or 2nd really doesn't do anything for you moving forward. In fact if you were in a super balanced league that distributed pts very evenly and you went in having only scored 1875 pts you will be at a big disadvantage.

I wonder if for next year there should be some value given to 1st and 2nd place finishers. Certain amount of pts per win or pts for being 1st and lesser pts for being 2nd.

Just a thought. It feels like there should be some benefit to finishing 1st or 2nd in the regular season. Otherwise it is essentially a total points league.

What do others think?

I hadn't really thought too much about it until the past couple of weeks. I wonder if there would be an accurate, mathematical analysis, that could be done regarding strength of divisions (groups of twelve) as the divisions compare to each other in competitiveness? Rather than a hardline point total, something similar to teams scoring better than 75% of the rest of the division OR some other cutoff method, and then THOSE teams would move on with the weekly playoff advantage based on the strength of their own division (available player pool/draft). Obviously that would have been a much more complex system of playoff qualification that would take an insane amount of effort/time to figure out the moving dynamic baseline for all teams and divisions. But then it becomes more like a Weekly All-Play record type of a quantity.

Ultimately, this whole idea was fun and I am grateful for those who put it together and admin'd the nitty gritty details. But there certainly is a disparity of competitive scoring balance between the many different divisions. 1st place teams among each division OR the highest scoring teams of each division, probably should be granted the same advantages in a combined playoff format. How to arrive at that becomes a discussion protocol.

 

[barackdhouse]

Jamo got me a respectable 13 points to start the week, but I'm still projected to miss the 1975 cut by 6 points.

Good luck

 

[barackdhouse]

Since we are close to the end I finally looked at the rules for playoffs. Seems like there is a big advantage given to pts scored on the year as you get your avg pts added to your score. So the cut line is really all that matters. Finishing 1st or 2nd really doesn't do anything for you moving forward. In fact if you were in a super balanced league that distributed pts very evenly and you went in having only scored 1875 pts you will be at a big disadvantage.

I wonder if for next year there should be some value given to 1st and 2nd place finishers. Certain amount of pts per win or pts for being 1st and lesser pts for being 2nd.

Just a thought. It feels like there should be some benefit to finishing 1st or 2nd in the regular season. Otherwise it is essentially a total points league.

What do others think?

largely agree, but...

part of the idea is that teams that win matchups deserve to get in. So the teams that finish as the 1 seed or 2 seed but over achieved to get there by not scoring a ton do get something very valuable for finishing that high. It doesn't do anything for you if you won matchups AND scored a lot but it does for those other squads. Then balancing it with teams that lost H2H but scored a lot seems super fair.

But I agree that fundamentally there isn't any advantage to the 1 or 2 seed other than getting their ticket punched.

 

[Gally]

Ultimately, this whole idea was fun and I am grateful for those who put it together and admin'd the nitty gritty details.

I totally agree. It's all for fun and it's been great.

I only brought it up to see if it can be improved. It was brought together quick and has gone great. Just thinking outloud for improvement ideas.

 

[Gally]

Then balancing it with teams that lost H2H but scored a lot seems super fair.

But it's not "balancing" at all. Since every team starts with their PPG average the only thing that matters is total points. Getting in is great (chip and a chair) but a super balanced league winner is at a disadvantage to a league with have and have not. I just think that winning your league should matter.

 

[barackdhouse]

Then balancing it with teams that lost H2H but scored a lot seems super fair.

But it's not "balancing" at all. Since every team starts with their PPG average the only thing that matters is total points. Getting in is great (chip and a chair) but a super balanced league winner is at a disadvantage to a league with have and have not. I just think that winning your league should matter.

well I should have said "attempted" balancing but nevertheless there IS something for winning your league, just not for dominating, and to your point on that I agree a little. But so what? Every tourney that has subdivisions through which you must first advance to get to the big dance - they ALL have some subdivisions where teams squeak through with crappy squads, others that dominate with less parity, and it's part of the landscape of big tourneys.

I do think there should be something extra for finishing as a 1 or 2 seed though. I don't think it gets much simpler than what they're doing though.

 

[BassNBrew]

Then balancing it with teams that lost H2H but scored a lot seems super fair.

But it's not "balancing" at all. Since every team starts with their PPG average the only thing that matters is total points. Getting in is great (chip and a chair) but a super balanced league winner is at a disadvantage to a league with have and have not. I just think that winning your league should matter.

well I should have said "attempted" balancing but nevertheless there IS something for winning your league, just not for dominating, and to your point on that I agree a little. But so what? Every tourney that has subdivisions through which you must first advance to get to the big dance - they ALL have some subdivisions where teams squeak through with crappy squads, others that dominate with less parity, and it's part of the landscape of big tourneys.

I do think there should be something extra for finishing as a 1 or 2 seed though. I don't think it gets much simpler than what they're doing though.

There is, an auto invite to the playoffs.

Just talking out loud with you here, but what's impressive about finishing with an extra win or two when you caught several teams with their studs on a bye and the two guys starting injured or bye week players the week your studs were out? What's winning your division by a game mean when you play the guy who has changed his lineup all year in week 14 and someone else lost to him in week one?

We have two teams that didn't spend one waiver dollar. Guy this week has Williams, Goedert, and Andrews starting.

Right now there's a 7-6 team with 2057 points (outscored 2 of the 3 13-0 teams) and two 6-7 teams with 1950+ points. These 3 teams are in the upper 3-4% of the scoring and had to be real unlucky to post a record like that.

 

[barackdhouse]

Then balancing it with teams that lost H2H but scored a lot seems super fair.

But it's not "balancing" at all. Since every team starts with their PPG average the only thing that matters is total points. Getting in is great (chip and a chair) but a super balanced league winner is at a disadvantage to a league with have and have not. I just think that winning your league should matter.

well I should have said "attempted" balancing but nevertheless there IS something for winning your league, just not for dominating, and to your point on that I agree a little. But so what? Every tourney that has subdivisions through which you must first advance to get to the big dance - they ALL have some subdivisions where teams squeak through with crappy squads, others that dominate with less parity, and it's part of the landscape of big tourneys.

I do think there should be something extra for finishing as a 1 or 2 seed though. I don't think it gets much simpler than what they're doing though.

There is, an auto invite to the playoffs.

yeah I mean that's what I was trying to say earlier as well. For teams that overachieve by not scoring a lot but by winning H2H it is a nice perk.

 

[Gally]

Just talking out loud with you here, but what's impressive about finishing with an extra win or two when you caught several teams with their studs on a bye and the two guys starting injured or bye week players the week your studs were out?

Then why even have H2H games? Just do total points.

There is no right answer as it's just thinking out loud.

Personally if you are going to have divisions and H2H matchups then they should have meaning and finishing 1st in your division should give you a bonus of some type for carrying into the playoffs (IMO). Something like a 10 or 20 pt adder to your ppg average? Just a thought.

 

[BassNBrew]

Just talking out loud with you here, but what's impressive about finishing with an extra win or two when you caught several teams with their studs on a bye and the two guys starting injured or bye week players the week your studs were out?

Then why even have H2H games? Just do total points.

There is no right answer as it's just thinking out loud.

Personally if you are going to have divisions and H2H matchups then they should have meaning and finishing 1st in your division should give you a bonus of some type for carrying into the playoffs (IMO). Something like a 10 or 20 pt adder to your ppg average? Just a thought.

I think this follows the FFPC format. Winning your league there means something because you win money, however as i recall all the teams advancing carry the season average for one of the four playoff weeks. Winning your league means nothing in the playoffs.

 

[Dacomish]

Jennings TD just punched my ticket for playoffs, now 10 points above cutline with still Kittle, Allen, Jennings, Metcalf and Chargers D to add on.

Anyone else who is sweating cutline make it in yet?

 

[davidwb]

I'm going to (probably, still have to finish this week) finish 3rd in our league despite beating the league leader this weekend. The team in 2nd place is playing the last place team: 1-12 before today. He started a JAX WR who didn't score and a D that is on bye. He didn't spend any of his FAAB this year.

The concept is good, but we need to not invite back those teams that didn't really compete this year (with lots, or maybe all, of their FAAB remaining, starting players on bye, etc.).

 

[TheWinz]

Anyone else who is sweating cutline make it in yet?

I get to sweat more. Need 50 more points!

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

Jennings TD just punched my ticket for playoffs, now 10 points above cutline with still Kittle, Allen, Jennings, Metcalf and Chargers D to add on.

Anyone else who is sweating cutline make it in yet?

I need about 40pts with Cook, Kittle and Chiefs D left. Probably not gonna happen, but it'll be close.

 

[BassNBrew]

Jennings TD just punched my ticket for playoffs, now 10 points above cutline with still Kittle, Allen, Jennings, Metcalf and Chargers D to add on.

Anyone else who is sweating cutline make it in yet?

Not yet but looking better...Needed 148.35

Sitting at 124 right not with Burrow, Dowdle, Cinny D, 2nd half of Charbs and Kittle.

 

[BassNBrew]

Need 9 points from Burrow, Dowdle, and Cinny D. Picked a good week to have a good week.

 

[Joey Wright]

Then balancing it with teams that lost H2H but scored a lot seems super fair.

But it's not "balancing" at all. Since every team starts with their PPG average the only thing that matters is total points. Getting in is great (chip and a chair) but a super balanced league winner is at a disadvantage to a league with have and have not. I just think that winning your league should matter.

I have this thread bookmarked and am taking every bit of feedback into account for next year. I do like idea of the division winner getting say +10 to their season average for winning their league. Runner-up +5... or something like that. It would be unique and fun. Thanks for letting us know!

 

[Grid71]

An interesting twist blending H2H and highest scoring… can win up to 2 points per week

1- win your H2H match earns a point
2-top 6 points scored that week earns a point

Teams that get lucky winning H2H with a low score only wins 1 point.
Team that scores 2nd highest score that week still gets a point even when they lose H2H.

 

[Gatorade]

Managed to be in first place this week for the first time at 10-3. I still think next week will be a must win. Three teams are behind me at 9-4 and all have higher point totals. Besides, I don't think I have enough total points to get in if I am not on the top two.

Looks like a loss this week and two of the teams below me will win and have higher point totals.

 

[TheWinz]

My division (0005) has 5 teams advancing. Luckily I scored well and topped 2000.

 

[mphtrilogy]

Was able to top 2000 as well to advance.

What is playoff format?

 

[Instinctive]

Two very down weeks. Only got like 200 of the 302 I needed. Good luck! Proud of the push. I got killed across all leagues this year by injuries. Probably the worst, most concentrated and worst-timed injuries in any of the past 20 years for me.

 

[Joey Wright]

Was able to top 2000 as well to advance.

What is playoff format?

Week 15 (Round 1, quarterfinals)

• Entrants will be listed in order on our leaderboard by combining the averaged regular weekly score and Week 15 score
• Top 50% (rounded up) will advance to next round

Week 16 (Round 2, semifinals)

• Entrants will be listed in order on our leaderboard by combining the averaged regular weekly score, Week 15 score, and Week 16 score
• Top 50% (rounded up) will advance to next round

Week 17 (Round 3, finals)

• Everyone who makes it to Week 17 will have a chance to win the tournament
• Entrants will be listed in order on our leaderboard by combining the averaged regular weekly score, Week 15 score, Week 16 score, and Week 17 score
• The entrant with the highest combined score will be crowned the winner

 

[joey]

Was able to top 2000 as well to advance.

What is playoff format?

Week 15 (Round 1, quarterfinals)

• Entrants will be listed in order on our leaderboard by combining the averaged regular weekly score and Week 15 score
• Top 50% (rounded up) will advance to next round

Week 16 (Round 2, semifinals)

• Entrants will be listed in order on our leaderboard by combining the averaged regular weekly score, Week 15 score, and Week 16 score
• Top 50% (rounded up) will advance to next round

Week 17 (Round 3, finals)

• Everyone who makes it to Week 17 will have a chance to win the tournament
• Entrants will be listed in order on our leaderboard by combining the averaged regular weekly score, Week 15 score, Week 16 score, and Week 17 score
• The entrant with the highest combined score will be crowned the winner

I get it. So you’re expecting my team to actually perform well in order to advance? Sheesh. Roger that


I made the cut above 1975 whether I win this week or not. A pretty decent 6 week run for me.
Good luck to everyone in the playoffs.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

Ended up less than 20pts off the cut after a solid week 14. I knew it was going to be a struggle making the playoffs with a 2-4 start.

Y'all have fun in the playoffs and keep posting your progress!

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

About to take 1st place back in my league, if anyone cares.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I have 1837.5 points + this week’s 133.5 with Ja’Marr Chase YTP (thank you, Reed, for your 0)

So 1971 points. Am I understanding correctly that I need a 30-burger from Chase to get in the big dance?

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

I have 1837.5 points + this week’s 133.5 with Ja’Marr Chase YTP (thank you, Reed, for your 0)

So 1971 points. Am I understanding correctly that I need a 30-burger from Chase to get in the big dance?

Cutline is 1975, so you need a 4-burger from Chase.

 

[Scoresman]

Didn't think I would be here after an 0-2 start to this, but am going to end up 10-4 in second place, essentially tied in points with the 11-3 first place team at around 2100.

Let's go!!!!

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I have 1837.5 points + this week’s 133.5 with Ja’Marr Chase YTP (thank you, Reed, for your 0)

So 1971 points. Am I understanding correctly that I need a 30-burger from Chase to get in the big dance?

Cutline is 1975, so you need a 4-burger from Chase.

Yay!

 

[TheWinz]

I have 1837.5 points + this week’s 133.5 with Ja’Marr Chase YTP (thank you, Reed, for your 0)

So 1971 points. Am I understanding correctly that I need a 30-burger from Chase to get in the big dance?

You don't need any points from Chase, because you said you're going to finish 1st in your division. Top 2 places make it to the big show, regardless of points.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I have 1837.5 points + this week’s 133.5 with Ja’Marr Chase YTP (thank you, Reed, for your 0)

So 1971 points. Am I understanding correctly that I need a 30-burger from Chase to get in the big dance?

You don't need any points from Chase, because you said you're going to finish 1st in your division. Top 2 places make it to the big show, regardless of points.

Oh! Even better.

And yeah, I’m beating the 1st place team (I’m in 2nd). Inned 7 points from Chase to do that.

 

[TheWinz]

@Joey Wright

Can you explain how waivers will work for the playoffs? Once we combine the 400+ teams, you may find yourself playing against the same players that you are starting, right?

 

[Skipdog77]

@Joey Wright

Can you explain how waivers will work for the playoffs? Once we combine the 400+ teams, you may find yourself playing against the same players that you are starting, right?

Hmmm....and how do we determine who is still avaialble, when different leagues may have had different players rostered/on the FA list.

It almost feels like rosters should be locked for the duration after Week 14 for all teams.

 

[Gally]

@Joey Wright

Can you explain how waivers will work for the playoffs? Once we combine the 400+ teams, you may find yourself playing against the same players that you are starting, right?

I believe it is a total point only format from here on out. So while you are "playing against" some of your same players it now just matters your total points. Wins don't matter anymore.

 

[Gally]

@Joey Wright

Can you explain how waivers will work for the playoffs? Once we combine the 400+ teams, you may find yourself playing against the same players that you are starting, right?

Hmmm....and how do we determine who is still avaialble, when different leagues may have had different players rostered/on the FA list.

It almost feels like rosters should be locked for the duration after Week 14 for all teams.

I would assume you can get whatever players are available in your division. I think rosters are limited by your division partners. Any team not making the playoffs should not be making any moves.

This does beg the question that teams in a division where only 2 teams make it have an advantage on waivers (if they are as I described - which was a guess) over divisions that had 4 or 5 teams makes it. Less teams fighting for the flavor of the week.

 

[Galileo]

I am going to finish with 1974.65...but depending on tonight's game, I think I have a good shot at finishing in 2nd place with a 9-5 record and the tiebreaker in my favor.

 

[barackdhouse]

Then balancing it with teams that lost H2H but scored a lot seems super fair.

But it's not "balancing" at all. Since every team starts with their PPG average the only thing that matters is total points. Getting in is great (chip and a chair) but a super balanced league winner is at a disadvantage to a league with have and have not. I just think that winning your league should matter.

I have this thread bookmarked and am taking every bit of feedback into account for next year. I do like idea of the division winner getting say +10 to their season average for winning their league. Runner-up +5... or something like that. It would be unique and fun. Thanks for letting us know!

The pt advantage idea seems terrible to me. Just my ten cents. I think it's perfect as is. While I agree it would be nice to have a perk for winning your division, honestly anything else would be suboptimal. Arbitrary points per week bonuses are just not a good way to go IMO. If we want to give a perk to division winners, make it schwag of some kind. T shirt, medallion whatever.