Tyreek Hill Detained On The Way To The Game (1 Viewer)

[Navin Johnson]

Just want to ask one more time: for the folks who are of the firm view that Tyreek is the main problem here, and the police weren’t culpable, how do you think about Calais Campbell being cuffed?

(Context again: Calais Campbell is an NFL Man of the Year winner and widely regarded as one of the best humans in the NFL)

No issue with it. I honestly have no real issue with any of the behavior by LE here.

Appreciate the reply. Always enjoy your posts.

Can’t imagine what LE behavior you would condemn based on this post, but that’s a topic that probably belongs outside this forum.

Pretty clear that Calais Campbell didn’t belong in cuffs.

A third party injects himself into a traffic stop that isn't going well. No harm is caused by cuffing this person, and it might prevent a problem down the road. Maybe not the best course of action, but a reasonable course of action. I don't see it as a big deal -- handcuffs can be removed and they cause no permanent damage.

Seems harsh but I actually agree, if he was approaching. I don’t care who the dude is, he’s probably 1.5x the cops size and a lot stronger. If they felt like he could reasonably be a threat, that isn’t unreasonable. Calais didn’t belong there beyond just observing.

Sure he did. He’s a citizen. He can go anywhere he wants in public. He can speak to anyone he wants to, at any time. He belongs wherever he feels he belongs.

And in this case, his teammate and friend was pulled over, cuffed and on the ground. What type of friend wouldn’t want to help out a friend in distress?

This is why I always cross the yellow crime screen ribbon and start asking the detective questions about the dead body he's standing over on the sidewalk. And maybe I just want to show support to the guy they have in handcuffs over here.
Because I am a citizen and I can go anywhere I want in public and I can speak to anyone I want to.
There's no laws about that. I know my rights.

He didn't cross any tape. He is on public property and free to observe and record.

He is not free to observe and record when his car is parked on a public way, behind police officers, when he was asked multiple times to move his vehicle

If his car is parked illegally, they can give him a parking ticket or have it towed. If he is on public property he is free to observe and record from a safe distance and not inside a taped off area.

Im sorry - it sounds like you know how to police better than Police, is that right?

As someone who is responsible for both Police and Fire departments I worry greatly about the general public's perception of how public safety actually works, not how they think it should work.

No, in just follow how courts have ruled on similar incidents.

Show me one situation, anywhere, where the courts have ruled it is OK for someone to park their car on a roadway, behind multiple emergency vehicles, get out of said car to observe a police matter.

That is not what I said. They can deal with the car by gibing him a ticket or towing him. They can not force him to leave if he is observing/recording from a safe distance. I have yet to see a parking violation that is justifies being taken in to custody. YMMV.

 

[JAA]

Just want to ask one more time: for the folks who are of the firm view that Tyreek is the main problem here, and the police weren’t culpable, how do you think about Calais Campbell being cuffed?

(Context again: Calais Campbell is an NFL Man of the Year winner and widely regarded as one of the best humans in the NFL)

No issue with it. I honestly have no real issue with any of the behavior by LE here.

Appreciate the reply. Always enjoy your posts.

Can’t imagine what LE behavior you would condemn based on this post, but that’s a topic that probably belongs outside this forum.

Pretty clear that Calais Campbell didn’t belong in cuffs.

A third party injects himself into a traffic stop that isn't going well. No harm is caused by cuffing this person, and it might prevent a problem down the road. Maybe not the best course of action, but a reasonable course of action. I don't see it as a big deal -- handcuffs can be removed and they cause no permanent damage.

Seems harsh but I actually agree, if he was approaching. I don’t care who the dude is, he’s probably 1.5x the cops size and a lot stronger. If they felt like he could reasonably be a threat, that isn’t unreasonable. Calais didn’t belong there beyond just observing.

Sure he did. He’s a citizen. He can go anywhere he wants in public. He can speak to anyone he wants to, at any time. He belongs wherever he feels he belongs.

And in this case, his teammate and friend was pulled over, cuffed and on the ground. What type of friend wouldn’t want to help out a friend in distress?

This is why I always cross the yellow crime screen ribbon and start asking the detective questions about the dead body he's standing over on the sidewalk. And maybe I just want to show support to the guy they have in handcuffs over here.
Because I am a citizen and I can go anywhere I want in public and I can speak to anyone I want to.
There's no laws about that. I know my rights.

He didn't cross any tape. He is on public property and free to observe and record.

He is not free to observe and record when his car is parked on a public way, behind police officers, when he was asked multiple times to move his vehicle

If his car is parked illegally, they can give him a parking ticket or have it towed. If he is on public property he is free to observe and record from a safe distance and not inside a taped off area.

Im sorry - it sounds like you know how to police better than Police, is that right?

As someone who is responsible for both Police and Fire departments I worry greatly about the general public's perception of how public safety actually works, not how they think it should work.

No, in just follow how courts have ruled on similar incidents.

Show me one situation, anywhere, where the courts have ruled it is OK for someone to park their car on a roadway, behind multiple emergency vehicles, get out of said car to observe a police matter.

That is not what I said. They can deal with the car by gibing him a ticket or towing him. They can not force him to leave if he is observing/recording from a safe distance. I have yet to see a parking violation that is justifies being taken in to custody. YMMV.

YMMV - that is exactly right. We will need to agree to disagree

Exhibit A: "I have yet to see a parking violation that is justifies being taken in to custody."

With all do respect, it is clear to me you do not have any education or experience in these matters. Yet you speak authoritatively with how things are supposed to work in the real world. I am attempting to respectfully let you know you are mistaken in multiple ways and your approach here in this forum does a disservice to all of our first responders.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

Liked seeing Tyreek owning a bit in his presser saying he could have handled it better.

Didn't like him saying he didn't feel his behavior warranted a beating. You know, glass houses and all.

yeah he actually kind of gave some support to the "pro police" posters in here.....and I think he is being a little dramatic saying he was beaten like a dawg or whatever....

 

[Navin Johnson]

Just want to ask one more time: for the folks who are of the firm view that Tyreek is the main problem here, and the police weren’t culpable, how do you think about Calais Campbell being cuffed?

(Context again: Calais Campbell is an NFL Man of the Year winner and widely regarded as one of the best humans in the NFL)

No issue with it. I honestly have no real issue with any of the behavior by LE here.

Appreciate the reply. Always enjoy your posts.

Can’t imagine what LE behavior you would condemn based on this post, but that’s a topic that probably belongs outside this forum.

Pretty clear that Calais Campbell didn’t belong in cuffs.

A third party injects himself into a traffic stop that isn't going well. No harm is caused by cuffing this person, and it might prevent a problem down the road. Maybe not the best course of action, but a reasonable course of action. I don't see it as a big deal -- handcuffs can be removed and they cause no permanent damage.

Seems harsh but I actually agree, if he was approaching. I don’t care who the dude is, he’s probably 1.5x the cops size and a lot stronger. If they felt like he could reasonably be a threat, that isn’t unreasonable. Calais didn’t belong there beyond just observing.

Sure he did. He’s a citizen. He can go anywhere he wants in public. He can speak to anyone he wants to, at any time. He belongs wherever he feels he belongs.

And in this case, his teammate and friend was pulled over, cuffed and on the ground. What type of friend wouldn’t want to help out a friend in distress?

This is why I always cross the yellow crime screen ribbon and start asking the detective questions about the dead body he's standing over on the sidewalk. And maybe I just want to show support to the guy they have in handcuffs over here.
Because I am a citizen and I can go anywhere I want in public and I can speak to anyone I want to.
There's no laws about that. I know my rights.

He didn't cross any tape. He is on public property and free to observe and record.

He is not free to observe and record when his car is parked on a public way, behind police officers, when he was asked multiple times to move his vehicle

If his car is parked illegally, they can give him a parking ticket or have it towed. If he is on public property he is free to observe and record from a safe distance and not inside a taped off area.

Im sorry - it sounds like you know how to police better than Police, is that right?

As someone who is responsible for both Police and Fire departments I worry greatly about the general public's perception of how public safety actually works, not how they think it should work.

No, in just follow how courts have ruled on similar incidents.

Show me one situation, anywhere, where the courts have ruled it is OK for someone to park their car on a roadway, behind multiple emergency vehicles, get out of said car to observe a police matter.

That is not what I said. They can deal with the car by gibing him a ticket or towing him. They can not force him to leave if he is observing/recording from a safe distance. I have yet to see a parking violation that is justifies being taken in to custody. YMMV.

YMMV - that is exactly right. We will need to agree to disagree

Exhibit A: "I have yet to see a parking violation that is justifies being taken in to custody."

With all do respect, it is clear to me you do not have any education or experience in these matters. Yet you speak authoritatively with how things are supposed to work in the real world. I am attempting to respectfully let you know you are mistaken in multiple ways and your approach here in this forum does a disservice to all of our first responders.

Feel free to prove me wrong by counter example

 

[Bossman]

Just want to ask one more time: for the folks who are of the firm view that Tyreek is the main problem here, and the police weren’t culpable, how do you think about Calais Campbell being cuffed?

(Context again: Calais Campbell is an NFL Man of the Year winner and widely regarded as one of the best humans in the NFL)

No issue with it. I honestly have no real issue with any of the behavior by LE here.

Appreciate the reply. Always enjoy your posts.

Can’t imagine what LE behavior you would condemn based on this post, but that’s a topic that probably belongs outside this forum.

Pretty clear that Calais Campbell didn’t belong in cuffs.

A third party injects himself into a traffic stop that isn't going well. No harm is caused

He is not free to observe and record when his car is parked on a public way, behind police officers, when he was asked multiple times to move his vehicle

If his car is parked illegally, they can give him a parking ticket or have it towed. If he is on public property he is free to observe and record from a safe distance and not inside a taped off area.

Im sorry - it sounds like you know how to police better than Police, is that right?

As someone who is responsible for both Police and Fire departments I worry greatly about the general public's perception of how public safety actually works, not how they think it should work.

No, in just follow how courts have ruled on similar incidents.

Show me one situation, anywhere, where the courts have ruled it is OK for someone to park their car on a roadway, behind multiple emergency vehicles, get out of said car to observe a police matter.

That is not what I said. They can deal with the car by gibing him a ticket or towing him. They can not force him to leave if he is observing/recording from a safe distance. I have yet to see a parking violation that is justifies being taken in to custody. YMMV.

YMMV - that is exactly right. We will need to agree to disagree

Exhibit A: "I have yet to see a parking violation that is justifies being taken in to custody."

With all do respect, it is clear to me you do not have any education or experience in these matters. Yet you speak authoritatively with how things are supposed to work in the real world. I am attempting to respectfully let you know you are mistaken in multiple ways and your approach here in this forum does a disservice to all of our first responders.

Feel free to prove me wrong by counter example

Are you saying that Calais Campbell was detained illegally? ... because I didn't read that anywhere.
If he was, those cops are in bigger trouble than we thought.
If he wasn't detained illegally it would seem you are wrong.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

as far as being in the middle....I feel I am with a slight lean towards the cops.....yes they both could have handled it better....but Hill started and escalated the situation....and when he refused to keep his window down....that forces the police to take it to the next level....they are basically told they can always go one step higher in their confrontations as far as use of force goes and it is justified....they aren't going to sit there and have a back and forth pissing match about rolling the window down....once Hill doesn't comply, he then will get removed from the car....Hill made that necessary......I'm not sure if the way he was removed and what happened after that was "by the book"....but Hill created that situation....they made snarky comments probably because that is what Hill was giving them....(and they were pretty funny TBH)....maybe you should have had surgery on your ears....is actually kind of appropriate since he was having trouble listening to simple directions...it's not illegal to be a tool bag....but if you act like one you probably will get treated like one....none of this happens if he is not a tool from the jump...so slight lean to pro cop in this incident...

 

[Stinkin Ref]

Just want to ask one more time: for the folks who are of the firm view that Tyreek is the main problem here, and the police weren’t culpable, how do you think about Calais Campbell being cuffed?

(Context again: Calais Campbell is an NFL Man of the Year winner and widely regarded as one of the best humans in the NFL)

No issue with it. I honestly have no real issue with any of the behavior by LE here.

Appreciate the reply. Always enjoy your posts.

Can’t imagine what LE behavior you would condemn based on this post, but that’s a topic that probably belongs outside this forum.

Pretty clear that Calais Campbell didn’t belong in cuffs.

A third party injects himself into a traffic stop that isn't going well. No harm is caused

He is not free to observe and record when his car is parked on a public way, behind police officers, when he was asked multiple times to move his vehicle

If his car is parked illegally, they can give him a parking ticket or have it towed. If he is on public property he is free to observe and record from a safe distance and not inside a taped off area.

Im sorry - it sounds like you know how to police better than Police, is that right?

As someone who is responsible for both Police and Fire departments I worry greatly about the general public's perception of how public safety actually works, not how they think it should work.

No, in just follow how courts have ruled on similar incidents.

Show me one situation, anywhere, where the courts have ruled it is OK for someone to park their car on a roadway, behind multiple emergency vehicles, get out of said car to observe a police matter.

That is not what I said. They can deal with the car by gibing him a ticket or towing him. They can not force him to leave if he is observing/recording from a safe distance. I have yet to see a parking violation that is justifies being taken in to custody. YMMV.

YMMV - that is exactly right. We will need to agree to disagree

Exhibit A: "I have yet to see a parking violation that is justifies being taken in to custody."

With all do respect, it is clear to me you do not have any education or experience in these matters. Yet you speak authoritatively with how things are supposed to work in the real world. I am attempting to respectfully let you know you are mistaken in multiple ways and your approach here in this forum does a disservice to all of our first responders.

Feel free to prove me wrong by counter example

Are you saying that Calais Campbell was detained illegally? ... because I didn't read that anywhere.
If he was, those cops are in bigger trouble than we thought.
If he wasn't detained illegally it would seem you are wrong.

from what I gather he was asked to leave several times.... the area he was in where there was a police incident happening ....he refused and was detained for not complying...

 

[Bossman]

Just want to ask one more time: for the folks who are of the firm view that Tyreek is the main problem here, and the police weren’t culpable, how do you think about Calais Campbell being cuffed?

(Context again: Calais Campbell is an NFL Man of the Year winner and widely regarded as one of the best humans in the NFL)

No issue with it. I honestly have no real issue with any of the behavior by LE here.

Appreciate the reply. Always enjoy your posts.

Can’t imagine what LE behavior you would condemn based on this post, but that’s a topic that probably belongs outside this forum.

Pretty clear that Calais Campbell didn’t belong in cuffs.

A third party injects himself into a traffic stop that isn't going well. No harm is caused

He is not free to observe and record when his car is parked on a public way, behind police officers, when he was asked multiple times to move his vehicle

If his car is parked illegally, they can give him a parking ticket or have it towed. If he is on public property he is free to observe and record from a safe distance and not inside a taped off area.

Im sorry - it sounds like you know how to police better than Police, is that right?

As someone who is responsible for both Police and Fire departments I worry greatly about the general public's perception of how public safety actually works, not how they think it should work.

No, in just follow how courts have ruled on similar incidents.

Show me one situation, anywhere, where the courts have ruled it is OK for someone to park their car on a roadway, behind multiple emergency vehicles, get out of said car to observe a police matter.

That is not what I said. They can deal with the car by gibing him a ticket or towing him. They can not force him to leave if he is observing/recording from a safe distance. I have yet to see a parking violation that is justifies being taken in to custody. YMMV.

YMMV - that is exactly right. We will need to agree to disagree

Exhibit A: "I have yet to see a parking violation that is justifies being taken in to custody."

With all do respect, it is clear to me you do not have any education or experience in these matters. Yet you speak authoritatively with how things are supposed to work in the real world. I am attempting to respectfully let you know you are mistaken in multiple ways and your approach here in this forum does a disservice to all of our first responders.

Feel free to prove me wrong by counter example

Are you saying that Calais Campbell was detained illegally? ... because I didn't read that anywhere.
If he was, those cops are in bigger trouble than we thought.
If he wasn't detained illegally it would seem you are wrong.

from what I gather he was asked to leave several times.... the area he was in where there was a police incident happening ....he refused and was detained for not complying...

But it seems your fellow Football Guy believes it was within Campbell's rights to be there... So he would have been detained illegally... Which I can not find anyone reporting.

 

[SoBeDad]

Interesting heresay from Omar Kelly, Dolphin Sports writer from the Miami Herald:

>>The Tyreek Hill incident from Sunday nearly had an even greater impact on the Dolphins’ Week 1 game.

Appearing Thursday on PFT Live, Omar Kelly of the Miami Herald said that the Miami-Dade police officers on the scene intended to arrest Hill and defensive linemen Calais Campbell. If they had been arrested, they would have missed the game.

Kelly said that the Dolphins intervened, defusing the situation and ensuring that Hill and Campbell would not be taken in for the booking, processing, and other activities that would have made them unavailable to play. As Kelly noted, it helps that the Dolphins are a major employer of off-duty Miami-Dade police officers.

Even without that extra sway, it was the right outcome. One officer in particular escalated the situation and pushed for both to be arrested.<<

x.com

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[JohnnyU]

Just want to ask one more time: for the folks who are of the firm view that Tyreek is the main problem here, and the police weren’t culpable, how do you think about Calais Campbell being cuffed?

(Context again: Calais Campbell is an NFL Man of the Year winner and widely regarded as one of the best humans in the NFL)

No issue with it. I honestly have no real issue with any of the behavior by LE here.

Appreciate the reply. Always enjoy your posts.

Can’t imagine what LE behavior you would condemn based on this post, but that’s a topic that probably belongs outside this forum.

Pretty clear that Calais Campbell didn’t belong in cuffs.

A third party injects himself into a traffic stop that isn't going well. No harm is caused

He is not free to observe and record when his car is parked on a public way, behind police officers, when he was asked multiple times to move his vehicle

If his car is parked illegally, they can give him a parking ticket or have it towed. If he is on public property he is free to observe and record from a safe distance and not inside a taped off area.

Im sorry - it sounds like you know how to police better than Police, is that right?

As someone who is responsible for both Police and Fire departments I worry greatly about the general public's perception of how public safety actually works, not how they think it should work.

No, in just follow how courts have ruled on similar incidents.

Show me one situation, anywhere, where the courts have ruled it is OK for someone to park their car on a roadway, behind multiple emergency vehicles, get out of said car to observe a police matter.

That is not what I said. They can deal with the car by gibing him a ticket or towing him. They can not force him to leave if he is observing/recording from a safe distance. I have yet to see a parking violation that is justifies being taken in to custody. YMMV.

YMMV - that is exactly right. We will need to agree to disagree

Exhibit A: "I have yet to see a parking violation that is justifies being taken in to custody."

With all do respect, it is clear to me you do not have any education or experience in these matters. Yet you speak authoritatively with how things are supposed to work in the real world. I am attempting to respectfully let you know you are mistaken in multiple ways and your approach here in this forum does a disservice to all of our first responders.

Feel free to prove me wrong by counter example

Are you saying that Calais Campbell was detained illegally? ... because I didn't read that anywhere.
If he was, those cops are in bigger trouble than we thought.
If he wasn't detained illegally it would seem you are wrong.

from what I gather he was asked to leave several times.... the area he was in where there was a police incident happening ....he refused and was detained for not complying...

Yeah, but “Do they know who the hell I is?”.

 

[BladeRunner]

Just want to ask one more time: for the folks who are of the firm view that Tyreek is the main problem here, and the police weren’t culpable, how do you think about Calais Campbell being cuffed?

(Context again: Calais Campbell is an NFL Man of the Year winner and widely regarded as one of the best humans in the NFL)

No issue with it. I honestly have no real issue with any of the behavior by LE here.

Appreciate the reply. Always enjoy your posts.

Can’t imagine what LE behavior you would condemn based on this post, but that’s a topic that probably belongs outside this forum.

Pretty clear that Calais Campbell didn’t belong in cuffs.

A third party injects himself into a traffic stop that isn't going well. No harm is caused by cuffing this person, and it might prevent a problem down the road. Maybe not the best course of action, but a reasonable course of action. I don't see it as a big deal -- handcuffs can be removed and they cause no permanent damage.

Seems harsh but I actually agree, if he was approaching. I don’t care who the dude is, he’s probably 1.5x the cops size and a lot stronger. If they felt like he could reasonably be a threat, that isn’t unreasonable. Calais didn’t belong there beyond just observing.

Sure he did. He’s a citizen. He can go anywhere he wants in public. He can speak to anyone he wants to, at any time. He belongs wherever he feels he belongs.

And in this case, his teammate and friend was pulled over, cuffed and on the ground. What type of friend wouldn’t want to help out a friend in distress?

This is why I always cross the yellow crime screen ribbon and start asking the detective questions about the dead body he's standing over on the sidewalk. And maybe I just want to show support to the guy they have in handcuffs over here.
Because I am a citizen and I can go anywhere I want in public and I can speak to anyone I want to.
There's no laws about that. I know my rights.

He didn't cross any tape. He is on public property and free to observe and record.

He is not free to observe and record when his car is parked on a public way, behind police officers, when he was asked multiple times to move his vehicle

If his car is parked illegally, they can give him a parking ticket or have it towed. If he is on public property he is free to observe and record from a safe distance and not inside a taped off area.

Im sorry - it sounds like you know how to police better than Police, is that right?

As someone who is responsible for both Police and Fire departments I worry greatly about the general public's perception of how public safety actually works, not how they think it should work.

No, in just follow how courts have ruled on similar incidents.

Show me one situation, anywhere, where the courts have ruled it is OK for someone to park their car on a roadway, behind multiple emergency vehicles, get out of said car to observe a police matter.

That is not what I said. They can deal with the car by gibing him a ticket or towing him. They can not force him to leave if he is observing/recording from a safe distance. I have yet to see a parking violation that is justifies being taken in to custody. YMMV.

YMMV - that is exactly right. We will need to agree to disagree

Exhibit A: "I have yet to see a parking violation that is justifies being taken in to custody."

With all do respect, it is clear to me you do not have any education or experience in these matters. Yet you speak authoritatively with how things are supposed to work in the real world. I am attempting to respectfully let you know you are mistaken in multiple ways and your approach here in this forum does a disservice to all of our first responders.

Feel free to prove me wrong by counter example

You've been proven wrong several times already. Your interpretation of the law is way off base and I feel that the legal court cases you're thinking of in your claim are completely different than what actually happened here and henceforth do not apply. You're basically comparing apples to oranges and yet keep doubling down that an apple is an orange.

 

[-OZ-]

Just want to ask one more time: for the folks who are of the firm view that Tyreek is the main problem here, and the police weren’t culpable, how do you think about Calais Campbell being cuffed?

(Context again: Calais Campbell is an NFL Man of the Year winner and widely regarded as one of the best humans in the NFL)

No issue with it. I honestly have no real issue with any of the behavior by LE here.

Appreciate the reply. Always enjoy your posts.

Can’t imagine what LE behavior you would condemn based on this post, but that’s a topic that probably belongs outside this forum.

Pretty clear that Calais Campbell didn’t belong in cuffs.

A third party injects himself into a traffic stop that isn't going well. No harm is caused by cuffing this person, and it might prevent a problem down the road. Maybe not the best course of action, but a reasonable course of action. I don't see it as a big deal -- handcuffs can be removed and they cause no permanent damage.

Seems harsh but I actually agree, if he was approaching. I don’t care who the dude is, he’s probably 1.5x the cops size and a lot stronger. If they felt like he could reasonably be a threat, that isn’t unreasonable. Calais didn’t belong there beyond just observing.

Sure he did. He’s a citizen. He can go anywhere he wants in public. He can speak to anyone he wants to, at any time. He belongs wherever he feels he belongs.

And in this case, his teammate and friend was pulled over, cuffed and on the ground. What type of friend wouldn’t want to help out a friend in distress?

This is why I always cross the yellow crime screen ribbon and start asking the detective questions about the dead body he's standing over on the sidewalk. And maybe I just want to show support to the guy they have in handcuffs over here.
Because I am a citizen and I can go anywhere I want in public and I can speak to anyone I want to.
There's no laws about that. I know my rights.

He didn't cross any tape. He is on public property and free to observe and record.

He is not free to observe and record when his car is parked on a public way, behind police officers, when he was asked multiple times to move his vehicle

If his car is parked illegally, they can give him a parking ticket or have it towed. If he is on public property he is free to observe and record from a safe distance and not inside a taped off area.

Im sorry - it sounds like you know how to police better than Police, is that right?

As someone who is responsible for both Police and Fire departments I worry greatly about the general public's perception of how public safety actually works, not how they think it should work.

No, in just follow how courts have ruled on similar incidents.

Show me one situation, anywhere, where the courts have ruled it is OK for someone to park their car on a roadway, behind multiple emergency vehicles, get out of said car to observe a police matter.

That is not what I said. They can deal with the car by gibing him a ticket or towing him. They can not force him to leave if he is observing/recording from a safe distance. I have yet to see a parking violation that is justifies being taken in to custody. YMMV.

YMMV - that is exactly right. We will need to agree to disagree

Exhibit A: "I have yet to see a parking violation that is justifies being taken in to custody."

With all do respect, it is clear to me you do not have any education or experience in these matters. Yet you speak authoritatively with how things are supposed to work in the real world. I am attempting to respectfully let you know you are mistaken in multiple ways and your approach here in this forum does a disservice to all of our first responders.

Feel free to prove me wrong by counter example

You've been proven wrong several times already. Your interpretation of the law is way off base and I feel that the legal court cases you're thinking of in your claim are completely different than what actually happened here and henceforth do not apply. You're basically comparing apples to oranges and yet keep doubling down that an apple is an orange.

This #### is bananas. B A N A N A S

 

[JAA]

Just want to ask one more time: for the folks who are of the firm view that Tyreek is the main problem here, and the police weren’t culpable, how do you think about Calais Campbell being cuffed?

(Context again: Calais Campbell is an NFL Man of the Year winner and widely regarded as one of the best humans in the NFL)

No issue with it. I honestly have no real issue with any of the behavior by LE here.

Appreciate the reply. Always enjoy your posts.

Can’t imagine what LE behavior you would condemn based on this post, but that’s a topic that probably belongs outside this forum.

Pretty clear that Calais Campbell didn’t belong in cuffs.

A third party injects himself into a traffic stop that isn't going well. No harm is caused by cuffing this person, and it might prevent a problem down the road. Maybe not the best course of action, but a reasonable course of action. I don't see it as a big deal -- handcuffs can be removed and they cause no permanent damage.

Seems harsh but I actually agree, if he was approaching. I don’t care who the dude is, he’s probably 1.5x the cops size and a lot stronger. If they felt like he could reasonably be a threat, that isn’t unreasonable. Calais didn’t belong there beyond just observing.

Sure he did. He’s a citizen. He can go anywhere he wants in public. He can speak to anyone he wants to, at any time. He belongs wherever he feels he belongs.

And in this case, his teammate and friend was pulled over, cuffed and on the ground. What type of friend wouldn’t want to help out a friend in distress?

This is why I always cross the yellow crime screen ribbon and start asking the detective questions about the dead body he's standing over on the sidewalk. And maybe I just want to show support to the guy they have in handcuffs over here.
Because I am a citizen and I can go anywhere I want in public and I can speak to anyone I want to.
There's no laws about that. I know my rights.

He didn't cross any tape. He is on public property and free to observe and record.

He is not free to observe and record when his car is parked on a public way, behind police officers, when he was asked multiple times to move his vehicle

If his car is parked illegally, they can give him a parking ticket or have it towed. If he is on public property he is free to observe and record from a safe distance and not inside a taped off area.

Im sorry - it sounds like you know how to police better than Police, is that right?

As someone who is responsible for both Police and Fire departments I worry greatly about the general public's perception of how public safety actually works, not how they think it should work.

No, in just follow how courts have ruled on similar incidents.

Show me one situation, anywhere, where the courts have ruled it is OK for someone to park their car on a roadway, behind multiple emergency vehicles, get out of said car to observe a police matter.

That is not what I said. They can deal with the car by gibing him a ticket or towing him. They can not force him to leave if he is observing/recording from a safe distance. I have yet to see a parking violation that is justifies being taken in to custody. YMMV.

YMMV - that is exactly right. We will need to agree to disagree

Exhibit A: "I have yet to see a parking violation that is justifies being taken in to custody."

With all do respect, it is clear to me you do not have any education or experience in these matters. Yet you speak authoritatively with how things are supposed to work in the real world. I am attempting to respectfully let you know you are mistaken in multiple ways and your approach here in this forum does a disservice to all of our first responders.

Feel free to prove me wrong by counter example

Watch the video, it is all right there.

The motorist was issued multiple lawful orders to move their vehicle. They did not. The police lawfully detained the motorist. End of story. Do you need me to quote you laws also?

 

[JAA]

as far as being in the middle....I feel I am with a slight lean towards the cops.....yes they both could have handled it better....but Hill started and escalated the situation....and when he refused to keep his window down....that forces the police to take it to the next level....they are basically told they can always go one step higher in their confrontations as far as use of force goes and it is justified....they aren't going to sit there and have a back and forth pissing match about rolling the window down....once Hill doesn't comply, he then will get removed from the car....Hill made that necessary......I'm not sure if the way he was removed and what happened after that was "by the book"....but Hill created that situation....they made snarky comments probably because that is what Hill was giving them....(and they were pretty funny TBH)....maybe you should have had surgery on your ears....is actually kind of appropriate since he was having trouble listening to simple directions...it's not illegal to be a tool bag....but if you act like one you probably will get treated like one....none of this happens if he is not a tool from the jump...so slight lean to pro cop in this incident...

This is a good post.

I think I am in Hill's camp ... unfortunately.

As I have learned in my public service journey you cannot legislate people not being ********. In America people can be ********, right or wrong, just how it is ... legally. IMHO Hill acted like an *******. Plain and simple.

The paid professionals, who are seeing their numbers dwindle and this is Exhibit 47856382 as to why, are held to a higher standard. Just the way it is. First responders are paid to act like professionals, even in the face of ********. I realize it sucks to hear, but it is just the way it is.

Do first responders deserve more pay for putting up with ********? Yes
In America, do citizens have the legal right to act like ********? Yes

What can the average Joe do to help in this situation? Easy. Thank every first responder you see. Look them in the eye and tell them you are grateful for the work they do to make life better for you and your family. Also, support your local law enforcement through your local elections (NOT FEDERAL/STATE). Tell your local administrators, friends, and residents that your local first responders deserve pay raises. Go to local legislative meetings and have your voice heard.

 

[Navin Johnson]

Just want to ask one more time: for the folks who are of the firm view that Tyreek is the main problem here, and the police weren’t culpable, how do you think about Calais Campbell being cuffed?

(Context again: Calais Campbell is an NFL Man of the Year winner and widely regarded as one of the best humans in the NFL)

No issue with it. I honestly have no real issue with any of the behavior by LE here.

Appreciate the reply. Always enjoy your posts.

Can’t imagine what LE behavior you would condemn based on this post, but that’s a topic that probably belongs outside this forum.

Pretty clear that Calais Campbell didn’t belong in cuffs.

A third party injects himself into a traffic stop that isn't going well. No harm is caused by cuffing this person, and it might prevent a problem down the road. Maybe not the best course of action, but a reasonable course of action. I don't see it as a big deal -- handcuffs can be removed and they cause no permanent damage.

Seems harsh but I actually agree, if he was approaching. I don’t care who the dude is, he’s probably 1.5x the cops size and a lot stronger. If they felt like he could reasonably be a threat, that isn’t unreasonable. Calais didn’t belong there beyond just observing.

Sure he did. He’s a citizen. He can go anywhere he wants in public. He can speak to anyone he wants to, at any time. He belongs wherever he feels he belongs.

And in this case, his teammate and friend was pulled over, cuffed and on the ground. What type of friend wouldn’t want to help out a friend in distress?

This is why I always cross the yellow crime screen ribbon and start asking the detective questions about the dead body he's standing over on the sidewalk. And maybe I just want to show support to the guy they have in handcuffs over here.
Because I am a citizen and I can go anywhere I want in public and I can speak to anyone I want to.
There's no laws about that. I know my rights.

He didn't cross any tape. He is on public property and free to observe and record.

He is not free to observe and record when his car is parked on a public way, behind police officers, when he was asked multiple times to move his vehicle

If his car is parked illegally, they can give him a parking ticket or have it towed. If he is on public property he is free to observe and record from a safe distance and not inside a taped off area.

Im sorry - it sounds like you know how to police better than Police, is that right?

As someone who is responsible for both Police and Fire departments I worry greatly about the general public's perception of how public safety actually works, not how they think it should work.

No, in just follow how courts have ruled on similar incidents.

Show me one situation, anywhere, where the courts have ruled it is OK for someone to park their car on a roadway, behind multiple emergency vehicles, get out of said car to observe a police matter.

That is not what I said. They can deal with the car by gibing him a ticket or towing him. They can not force him to leave if he is observing/recording from a safe distance. I have yet to see a parking violation that is justifies being taken in to custody. YMMV.

YMMV - that is exactly right. We will need to agree to disagree

Exhibit A: "I have yet to see a parking violation that is justifies being taken in to custody."

With all do respect, it is clear to me you do not have any education or experience in these matters. Yet you speak authoritatively with how things are supposed to work in the real world. I am attempting to respectfully let you know you are mistaken in multiple ways and your approach here in this forum does a disservice to all of our first responders.

Feel free to prove me wrong by counter example

Watch the video, it is all right there.

The motorist was issued multiple lawful orders to move their vehicle. They did not. The police lawfully detained the motorist. End of story. Do you need me to quote you laws also?

If it wouldn't be any trouble

 

[Bossman]

The motorist was issued multiple lawful orders to move their vehicle. They did not. The police lawfully detained the motorist. End of story. Do you need me to quote you laws also?

If it wouldn't be any trouble

So you DO believe Calais Campbell was detained unlawfully?

 

[Navin Johnson]

The motorist was issued multiple lawful orders to move their vehicle. They did not. The police lawfully detained the motorist. End of story. Do you need me to quote you laws also?

If it wouldn't be any trouble

So you DO believe Calais Campbell was detained unlawfully?

Not sure. I don't think he can be detained for parking illegally, and I am positive he can't be detained for observing/recording the incident from a safe distance.

 

[JAA]

Just want to ask one more time: for the folks who are of the firm view that Tyreek is the main problem here, and the police weren’t culpable, how do you think about Calais Campbell being cuffed?

(Context again: Calais Campbell is an NFL Man of the Year winner and widely regarded as one of the best humans in the NFL)

No issue with it. I honestly have no real issue with any of the behavior by LE here.

Appreciate the reply. Always enjoy your posts.

Can’t imagine what LE behavior you would condemn based on this post, but that’s a topic that probably belongs outside this forum.

Pretty clear that Calais Campbell didn’t belong in cuffs.

A third party injects himself into a traffic stop that isn't going well. No harm is caused by cuffing this person, and it might prevent a problem down the road. Maybe not the best course of action, but a reasonable course of action. I don't see it as a big deal -- handcuffs can be removed and they cause no permanent damage.

Seems harsh but I actually agree, if he was approaching. I don’t care who the dude is, he’s probably 1.5x the cops size and a lot stronger. If they felt like he could reasonably be a threat, that isn’t unreasonable. Calais didn’t belong there beyond just observing.

Sure he did. He’s a citizen. He can go anywhere he wants in public. He can speak to anyone he wants to, at any time. He belongs wherever he feels he belongs.

And in this case, his teammate and friend was pulled over, cuffed and on the ground. What type of friend wouldn’t want to help out a friend in distress?

This is why I always cross the yellow crime screen ribbon and start asking the detective questions about the dead body he's standing over on the sidewalk. And maybe I just want to show support to the guy they have in handcuffs over here.
Because I am a citizen and I can go anywhere I want in public and I can speak to anyone I want to.
There's no laws about that. I know my rights.

He didn't cross any tape. He is on public property and free to observe and record.

He is not free to observe and record when his car is parked on a public way, behind police officers, when he was asked multiple times to move his vehicle

If his car is parked illegally, they can give him a parking ticket or have it towed. If he is on public property he is free to observe and record from a safe distance and not inside a taped off area.

Im sorry - it sounds like you know how to police better than Police, is that right?

As someone who is responsible for both Police and Fire departments I worry greatly about the general public's perception of how public safety actually works, not how they think it should work.

No, in just follow how courts have ruled on similar incidents.

Show me one situation, anywhere, where the courts have ruled it is OK for someone to park their car on a roadway, behind multiple emergency vehicles, get out of said car to observe a police matter.

That is not what I said. They can deal with the car by gibing him a ticket or towing him. They can not force him to leave if he is observing/recording from a safe distance. I have yet to see a parking violation that is justifies being taken in to custody. YMMV.

YMMV - that is exactly right. We will need to agree to disagree

Exhibit A: "I have yet to see a parking violation that is justifies being taken in to custody."

With all do respect, it is clear to me you do not have any education or experience in these matters. Yet you speak authoritatively with how things are supposed to work in the real world. I am attempting to respectfully let you know you are mistaken in multiple ways and your approach here in this forum does a disservice to all of our first responders.

Feel free to prove me wrong by counter example

Watch the video, it is all right there.

The motorist was issued multiple lawful orders to move their vehicle. They did not. The police lawfully detained the motorist. End of story. Do you need me to quote you laws also?

If it wouldn't be any trouble

This wasnt hard: http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes...ute&URL=0300-0399/0316/Sections/0316.072.html

 

[Yenrub]

Crazy that the hot headed cop could lose his career over this ... and Tyreek Hill, the instigator and catalyst in the whole matter will be on his happy way.
What a terrible way to end a 27 year career.

I think it was kind of eye opening for Tyreek that he got treated like any other citizen for a change instead of the special treatment afforded most "celebrities", Probably won't change any behaviors moving forward for him, but there is always hope.

It’s more eye-opening to me to find out this officer has 27 years of experience.
I imagine that this isn’t the first time during his long career that he has experienced a mouthy citizen during a traffic stop, yet he acted like a hot-headed rookie.
Probably won't change any behaviors moving forward for him, but there is always hope.

 

[Bossman]

The motorist was issued multiple lawful orders to move their vehicle. They did not. The police lawfully detained the motorist. End of story. Do you need me to quote you laws also?

If it wouldn't be any trouble

So you DO believe Calais Campbell was detained unlawfully?

Not sure. I don't think he can be detained for parking illegally, and I am positive he can't be detained for observing/recording the incident from a safe distance.

Just want to ask one more time: for the folks who are of the firm view that Tyreek is the main problem here, and the police weren’t culpable, how do you think about Calais Campbell being cuffed?

(Context again: Calais Campbell is an NFL Man of the Year winner and widely regarded as one of the best humans in the NFL)

No issue with it. I honestly have no real issue with any of the behavior by LE here.

Appreciate the reply. Always enjoy your posts.

Can’t imagine what LE behavior you would condemn based on this post, but that’s a topic that probably belongs outside this forum.

Pretty clear that Calais Campbell didn’t belong in cuffs.

A third party injects himself into a traffic stop that isn't going well. No harm is caused by cuffing this person, and it might prevent a problem down the road. Maybe not the best course of action, but a reasonable course of action. I don't see it as a big deal -- handcuffs can be removed and they cause no permanent damage.

Seems harsh but I actually agree, if he was approaching. I don’t care who the dude is, he’s probably 1.5x the cops size and a lot stronger. If they felt like he could reasonably be a threat, that isn’t unreasonable. Calais didn’t belong there beyond just observing.

Sure he did. He’s a citizen. He can go anywhere he wants in public. He can speak to anyone he wants to, at any time. He belongs wherever he feels he belongs.

And in this case, his teammate and friend was pulled over, cuffed and on the ground. What type of friend wouldn’t want to help out a friend in distress?

This is why I always cross the yellow crime screen ribbon and start asking the detective questions about the dead body he's standing over on the sidewalk. And maybe I just want to show support to the guy they have in handcuffs over here.
Because I am a citizen and I can go anywhere I want in public and I can speak to anyone I want to.
There's no laws about that. I know my rights.

He didn't cross any tape. He is on public property and free to observe and record.

He is not free to observe and record when his car is parked on a public way, behind police officers, when he was asked multiple times to move his vehicle

If his car is parked illegally, they can give him a parking ticket or have it towed. If he is on public property he is free to observe and record from a safe distance and not inside a taped off area.

Im sorry - it sounds like you know how to police better than Police, is that right?

As someone who is responsible for both Police and Fire departments I worry greatly about the general public's perception of how public safety actually works, not how they think it should work.

No, in just follow how courts have ruled on similar incidents.

Show me one situation, anywhere, where the courts have ruled it is OK for someone to park their car on a roadway, behind multiple emergency vehicles, get out of said car to observe a police matter.

That is not what I said. They can deal with the car by gibing him a ticket or towing him. They can not force him to leave if he is observing/recording from a safe distance. I have yet to see a parking violation that is justifies being taken in to custody. YMMV.

YMMV - that is exactly right. We will need to agree to disagree

Exhibit A: "I have yet to see a parking violation that is justifies being taken in to custody."

With all do respect, it is clear to me you do not have any education or experience in these matters. Yet you speak authoritatively with how things are supposed to work in the real world. I am attempting to respectfully let you know you are mistaken in multiple ways and your approach here in this forum does a disservice to all of our first responders.

Feel free to prove me wrong by counter example

Watch the video, it is all right there.

The motorist was issued multiple lawful orders to move their vehicle. They did not. The police lawfully detained the motorist. End of story. Do you need me to quote you laws also?

If it wouldn't be any trouble

This wasnt hard: http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes...ute&URL=0300-0399/0316/Sections/0316.072.html

OK, everyone is right...
It is within Calais Campbell's rights to be at a distance, record, exist, (just like Junno Smith was). I assume so long as he is not interfering with the police work.
But when told by officers to move his car, he needs to move his car.
"It is unlawful and a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083, for any person willfully to fail or refuse to comply with any lawful order or direction of any law enforcement officer"
It appears that he was legally detained which is why no one is reporting otherwise. I don't see these officers being reprimanded for this part of the situation.

 

[massraider]

I don't see these officers being reprimanded for this part of the situation

Definitely not.

It probably won't be a 7th suspension for the cop who yanked Tyreek out his car

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I really doubt officer Danny Torres will be suspended for the 7th time, adding to his 6 previous suspensions.

It would be crazy to suspend this officer for a 7th time for handcuffing Campbell.

 

[JAA]

More details on officer

Officer involved in Tyreek Hill detainment was investigated for force violations multiple times, per report

A 27-year veteran officer was placed on administrative duty following the incident

www.cbssports.com

 

[JAA]

More details on officer

Officer involved in Tyreek Hill detainment was investigated for force violations multiple times, per report

A 27-year veteran officer was placed on administrative duty following the incident

www.cbssports.com

RE performance management

It’s acceptable and desirable to coach and invest in capable employees. Everyone makes mistakes and needs an opportunity to learn and grow.

At the same time it is leaderships responsibility to ensure its workforce adequately represents its best interests to not only its mission, but also its customers/constituents.

At some point leadership must be held responsible for allowing poor behavior to continue.

 

[Bossman]

I don't think too many people are arguing that the one officer didn't take it too far. Maybe the hot head gets suspended. Maybe he loses his job. Maybe the city loses lots and lots of tax paid revenue in court....
What is frustrating is that Hill was the spoiled brat punk instigator that set the cop off.
Not an excuse for the cop overreacting but the entire fiasco never would have happened if Hill simply cooperated as most citizens would.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

What is frustrating is that Hill was the spoiled brat punk instigator that set the cop off.

“she made me do it”

 

[Bossman]

I don't think too many people are arguing that the one officer didn't take it too far. Maybe the hot head gets suspended. Maybe he loses his job. Maybe the city loses lots and lots of tax paid revenue in court....
What is frustrating is that Hill was the spoiled brat punk instigator that set the cop off.
Not an excuse for the cop overreacting but the entire fiasco never would have happened if Hill simply cooperated as most citizens would.

Also, if Hill's lawyers succeed in getting him a fat courtroom payday, what does that teach people?
"Act like a **** to cops, ... get paid" is the lesson to be learned here.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

Also, if Hill's lawyers succeed in getting him a fat courtroom payday, what does that teach people?

Reform the police so incompetent hotheads like this officer stop wasting the taxpayers' money?

 

[BladeRunner]

Also, if Hill's lawyers succeed in getting him a fat courtroom payday, what does that teach people?

Reform the police so incompetent hotheads like this officer stop wasting the taxpayers' money?

how about stop wasting taxpayer's money by obeying laws and not thinking they don't apply to you?

No issue with what happened to Hill. He's a dirtbag and the only thing that was out of line was the little bit of extra he got after in cuffs. Other than that, everything was instigated by him and was lawful. The Police do not have to sit and argue with a perp about following the laws.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

Also, if Hill's lawyers succeed in getting him a fat courtroom payday, what does that teach people?

Reform the police so incompetent hotheads like this officer stop wasting the taxpayers' money?

how about stop wasting taxpayer's money by obeying laws and not thinking they don't apply to you?

No issue with what happened to Hill. He's a dirtbag and the only thing that was out of line was the little bit of extra he got after in cuffs. Other than that, everything was instigated by him and was lawful. The Police do not have to sit and argue with a perp about following the laws.

If that's the case then we're no longer discussing a scenario where Hill's lawyers get him a fat courtroom payday.

 

[Insein]

Can we just move this to the FFA? It's long been past discussing football.

 

[JohnnyU]

Can we just move this to the FFA? It's long been past discussing football.

you think?

 

[BladeRunner]

Also, if Hill's lawyers succeed in getting him a fat courtroom payday, what does that teach people?

Reform the police so incompetent hotheads like this officer stop wasting the taxpayers' money?

how about stop wasting taxpayer's money by obeying laws and not thinking they don't apply to you?

No issue with what happened to Hill. He's a dirtbag and the only thing that was out of line was the little bit of extra he got after in cuffs. Other than that, everything was instigated by him and was lawful. The Police do not have to sit and argue with a perp about following the laws.

If that's the case then we're no longer discussing a scenario where Hill's lawyers get him a fat courtroom payday.

Sounds good. He shouldn't be getting ANYTHING anyways.