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Tyreek Hill Detained On The Way To The Game (1 Viewer)

Just want to ask one more time: for the folks who are of the firm view that Tyreek is the main problem here, and the police weren’t culpable, how do you think about Calais Campbell being cuffed?

(Context again: Calais Campbell is an NFL Man of the Year winner and widely regarded as one of the best humans in the NFL)
No issue with it. I honestly have no real issue with any of the behavior by LE here.
 
I was raised to comply with police officers. :shrug: Why does that seem so hard?
i was as well, didn’t work out for me once so now I’ll never trust them again. Why is it so hard to see that not all police interactions are the same even if they start out the same? :shrug:
Bad cops or not, you can't help yourself by being a Richard towards them. Try as best as you can to comply with their instructions and more times than not, you will come out of it OK.
 
whatever happened to knowing when you get pulled over to simply start getting your license, registration, and proof of insurance ready for the officer who you know is going to ask you for those things...is it really that hard...?

ask yourself.....who really escalated the incident....
Yep
 
I was raised to comply with police officers. :shrug: Why does that seem so hard?
I was listening to XM Radio yesterday, Fox Sports, and the 3 hosts all were saying that Hill was treated the way he was because he was black.
So infuriating. Not one person on the show would acknowledge the disrespect and refusing to cooperate by Hill. They just jump to the party of him being pulled out of the car, handcuffed, and roughed up.
Maybe I'm wrong but I'd like to think that any person showing that level of refusing to cooperate would have been treated the same.
You think a Connor McGregor acting the way Hill did wouldn't get the same treatment? ... cus he's white?
 
Just want to ask one more time: for the folks who are of the firm view that Tyreek is the main problem here, and the police weren’t culpable, how do you think about Calais Campbell being cuffed?

(Context again: Calais Campbell is an NFL Man of the Year winner and widely regarded as one of the best humans in the NFL)
No issue with it. I honestly have no real issue with any of the behavior by LE here.
Appreciate the reply. Always enjoy your posts.

Can’t imagine what LE behavior you would condemn based on this post, but that’s a topic that probably belongs outside this forum.

Pretty clear that Calais Campbell didn’t belong in cuffs.
 
Just want to ask one more time: for the folks who are of the firm view that Tyreek is the main problem here, and the police weren’t culpable, how do you think about Calais Campbell being cuffed?

(Context again: Calais Campbell is an NFL Man of the Year winner and widely regarded as one of the best humans in the NFL)
No issue with it. I honestly have no real issue with any of the behavior by LE here.
Appreciate the reply. Always enjoy your posts.

Can’t imagine what LE behavior you would condemn based on this post, but that’s a topic that probably belongs outside this forum.

Pretty clear that Calais Campbell didn’t belong in cuffs.
A third party injects himself into a traffic stop that isn't going well. No harm is caused by cuffing this person, and it might prevent a problem down the road. Maybe not the best course of action, but a reasonable course of action. I don't see it as a big deal -- handcuffs can be removed and they cause no permanent damage.
 
Just want to ask one more time: for the folks who are of the firm view that Tyreek is the main problem here, and the police weren’t culpable, how do you think about Calais Campbell being cuffed?

(Context again: Calais Campbell is an NFL Man of the Year winner and widely regarded as one of the best humans in the NFL)
No issue with it. I honestly have no real issue with any of the behavior by LE here.
Appreciate the reply. Always enjoy your posts.

Can’t imagine what LE behavior you would condemn based on this post, but that’s a topic that probably belongs outside this forum.

Pretty clear that Calais Campbell didn’t belong in cuffs.
A third party injects himself into a traffic stop that isn't going well. No harm is caused by cuffing this person, and it might prevent a problem down the road. Maybe not the best course of action, but a reasonable course of action. I don't see it as a big deal -- handcuffs can be removed and they cause no permanent damage.

I consider it a possible course of action, but not a reasonable one. It would be different if he was invading their space or acting aggressively.

I injected myself into a traffic stop 3 weeks ago. Calmly. Nobody cuffed me. It never occurred to me that they would.
 
I was raised to comply with police officers. :shrug: Why does that seem so hard?
I was listening to XM Radio yesterday, Fox Sports, and the 3 hosts all were saying that Hill was treated the way he was because he was black.
So infuriating. Not one person on the show would acknowledge the disrespect and refusing to cooperate by Hill. They just jump to the party of him being pulled out of the car, handcuffed, and roughed up.
Maybe I'm wrong but I'd like to think that any person showing that level of refusing to cooperate would have been treated the same.
You think a Connor McGregor acting the way Hill did wouldn't get the same treatment? ... cus he's white?
Fox Sports XM Radio, Joy Taylor, Keyshawn Johnson, and Paul Pierce.
Laughable at their takes on this. They also went with the Calais Campbell 17 year NFL vet, NFL Man of the Year, accolades ... Like the cops should have known who he was. Give me a break. So bad
 
Just want to ask one more time: for the folks who are of the firm view that Tyreek is the main problem here, and the police weren’t culpable, how do you think about Calais Campbell being cuffed?

(Context again: Calais Campbell is an NFL Man of the Year winner and widely regarded as one of the best humans in the NFL)
No issue with it. I honestly have no real issue with any of the behavior by LE here.
Appreciate the reply. Always enjoy your posts.

Can’t imagine what LE behavior you would condemn based on this post, but that’s a topic that probably belongs outside this forum.

Pretty clear that Calais Campbell didn’t belong in cuffs.
A third party injects himself into a traffic stop that isn't going well. No harm is caused by cuffing this person, and it might prevent a problem down the road. Maybe not the best course of action, but a reasonable course of action. I don't see it as a big deal -- handcuffs can be removed and they cause no permanent damage.
Seems harsh but I actually agree, if he was approaching. I don’t care who the dude is, he’s probably 1.5x the cops size and a lot stronger. If they felt like he could reasonably be a threat, that isn’t unreasonable. Calais didn’t belong there beyond just observing.
 
Just want to ask one more time: for the folks who are of the firm view that Tyreek is the main problem here, and the police weren’t culpable, how do you think about Calais Campbell being cuffed?

(Context again: Calais Campbell is an NFL Man of the Year winner and widely regarded as one of the best humans in the NFL)
No issue with it. I honestly have no real issue with any of the behavior by LE here.
Appreciate the reply. Always enjoy your posts.

Can’t imagine what LE behavior you would condemn based on this post, but that’s a topic that probably belongs outside this forum.

Pretty clear that Calais Campbell didn’t belong in cuffs.
A third party injects himself into a traffic stop that isn't going well. No harm is caused by cuffing this person, and it might prevent a problem down the road. Maybe not the best course of action, but a reasonable course of action. I don't see it as a big deal -- handcuffs can be removed and they cause no permanent damage.
Seems harsh but I actually agree, if he was approaching. I don’t care who the dude is, he’s probably 1.5x the cops size and a lot stronger. If they felt like he could reasonably be a threat, that isn’t unreasonable. Calais didn’t belong there beyond just observing.
Sure he did. He’s a citizen. He can go anywhere he wants in public. He can speak to anyone he wants to, at any time. He belongs wherever he feels he belongs.

And in this case, his teammate and friend was pulled over, cuffed and on the ground. What type of friend wouldn’t want to help out a friend in distress?
 
If he hadnt been speeding and been wearing a seatbelt he wouldnt have been pulled over. Then he started mouthing off. No sympathy from me. Esp with his history of abuse of women and children.
 
Just want to ask one more time: for the folks who are of the firm view that Tyreek is the main problem here, and the police weren’t culpable, how do you think about Calais Campbell being cuffed?

(Context again: Calais Campbell is an NFL Man of the Year winner and widely regarded as one of the best humans in the NFL)
No issue with it. I honestly have no real issue with any of the behavior by LE here.
Appreciate the reply. Always enjoy your posts.

Can’t imagine what LE behavior you would condemn based on this post, but that’s a topic that probably belongs outside this forum.

Pretty clear that Calais Campbell didn’t belong in cuffs.
A third party injects himself into a traffic stop that isn't going well. No harm is caused by cuffing this person, and it might prevent a problem down the road. Maybe not the best course of action, but a reasonable course of action. I don't see it as a big deal -- handcuffs can be removed and they cause no permanent damage.
Seems harsh but I actually agree, if he was approaching. I don’t care who the dude is, he’s probably 1.5x the cops size and a lot stronger. If they felt like he could reasonably be a threat, that isn’t unreasonable. Calais didn’t belong there beyond just observing.
Sure he did. He’s a citizen. He can go anywhere he wants in public. He can speak to anyone he wants to, at any time. He belongs wherever he feels he belongs.

And in this case, his teammate and friend was pulled over, cuffed and on the ground. What type of friend wouldn’t want to help out a friend in distress?
Not really. It is against the law in FL to attempt to intervene/interfere with police doing their duties if he's been warned against doing so.

  • This law pertains to any person who has received a verbal warning not to approach an officer and who approaches with the intent to interfere with their official duties, threaten with physical harm, or harass the officer.
 
Just want to ask one more time: for the folks who are of the firm view that Tyreek is the main problem here, and the police weren’t culpable, how do you think about Calais Campbell being cuffed?

(Context again: Calais Campbell is an NFL Man of the Year winner and widely regarded as one of the best humans in the NFL)
No issue with it. I honestly have no real issue with any of the behavior by LE here.
Appreciate the reply. Always enjoy your posts.

Can’t imagine what LE behavior you would condemn based on this post, but that’s a topic that probably belongs outside this forum.

Pretty clear that Calais Campbell didn’t belong in cuffs.
A third party injects himself into a traffic stop that isn't going well. No harm is caused by cuffing this person, and it might prevent a problem down the road. Maybe not the best course of action, but a reasonable course of action. I don't see it as a big deal -- handcuffs can be removed and they cause no permanent damage.
Seems harsh but I actually agree, if he was approaching. I don’t care who the dude is, he’s probably 1.5x the cops size and a lot stronger. If they felt like he could reasonably be a threat, that isn’t unreasonable. Calais didn’t belong there beyond just observing.
Sure he did. He’s a citizen. He can go anywhere he wants in public. He can speak to anyone he wants to, at any time. He belongs wherever he feels he belongs.

And in this case, his teammate and friend was pulled over, cuffed and on the ground. What type of friend wouldn’t want to help out a friend in distress?
Have to disagreed with you here, Alex. He cannot inject himself into an active police stop w/out consequences. This is standard procedure for police when a 3rd party intervenes and they are an unknown. Usually, they're warned that they'll be put in cuffs if they don't back off, but this is not an unreasonable action by the police and citizens can't just go anywhere they want on a police scene.
 
Just want to ask one more time: for the folks who are of the firm view that Tyreek is the main problem here, and the police weren’t culpable, how do you think about Calais Campbell being cuffed?

(Context again: Calais Campbell is an NFL Man of the Year winner and widely regarded as one of the best humans in the NFL)
No issue with it. I honestly have no real issue with any of the behavior by LE here.
Appreciate the reply. Always enjoy your posts.

Can’t imagine what LE behavior you would condemn based on this post, but that’s a topic that probably belongs outside this forum.

Pretty clear that Calais Campbell didn’t belong in cuffs.
A third party injects himself into a traffic stop that isn't going well. No harm is caused by cuffing this person, and it might prevent a problem down the road. Maybe not the best course of action, but a reasonable course of action. I don't see it as a big deal -- handcuffs can be removed and they cause no permanent damage.
Seems harsh but I actually agree, if he was approaching. I don’t care who the dude is, he’s probably 1.5x the cops size and a lot stronger. If they felt like he could reasonably be a threat, that isn’t unreasonable. Calais didn’t belong there beyond just observing.
Sure he did. He’s a citizen. He can go anywhere he wants in public. He can speak to anyone he wants to, at any time. He belongs wherever he feels he belongs.

And in this case, his teammate and friend was pulled over, cuffed and on the ground. What type of friend wouldn’t want to help out a friend in distress?
Not really. It is against the law in FL to attempt to intervene/interfere with police doing their duties if he's been warned against doing so.

  • This law pertains to any person who has received a verbal warning not to approach an officer and who approaches with the intent to interfere with their official duties, threaten with physical harm, or harass the officer.
He didn’t do any of those things. He just stood there at a distance.
 
The police do not own the whole roadway just because they are processing an infraction. Campbell was 1-polite, 2-compliant, 3- respectful AND he was allowed to be on the side of the road away from the police action. Campbell received conflicting orders from multiple officers which created an unnecessarily chaotic scene. The police escalated and compounded the situation, especially officer hothead. He should be fired, imo.
 
The police do not own the whole roadway just because they are processing an infraction. Campbell was 1-polite, 2-compliant, 3- respectful AND he was allowed to be on the side of the road away from the police action. Campbell received conflicting orders from multiple officers which created an unnecessarily chaotic scene. The police escalated and compounded to the situation, especially officer hothead. He should be fired, imo.
The police have every right to detain 3rd parties trying to intervene and won't back off when warned.
 
Just want to ask one more time: for the folks who are of the firm view that Tyreek is the main problem here, and the police weren’t culpable, how do you think about Calais Campbell being cuffed?

(Context again: Calais Campbell is an NFL Man of the Year winner and widely regarded as one of the best humans in the NFL)
No issue with it. I honestly have no real issue with any of the behavior by LE here.
Appreciate the reply. Always enjoy your posts.

Can’t imagine what LE behavior you would condemn based on this post, but that’s a topic that probably belongs outside this forum.

Pretty clear that Calais Campbell didn’t belong in cuffs.
A third party injects himself into a traffic stop that isn't going well. No harm is caused by cuffing this person, and it might prevent a problem down the road. Maybe not the best course of action, but a reasonable course of action. I don't see it as a big deal -- handcuffs can be removed and they cause no permanent damage.
Seems harsh but I actually agree, if he was approaching. I don’t care who the dude is, he’s probably 1.5x the cops size and a lot stronger. If they felt like he could reasonably be a threat, that isn’t unreasonable. Calais didn’t belong there beyond just observing.
Sure he did. He’s a citizen. He can go anywhere he wants in public. He can speak to anyone he wants to, at any time. He belongs wherever he feels he belongs.

And in this case, his teammate and friend was pulled over, cuffed and on the ground. What type of friend wouldn’t want to help out a friend in distress?
Not really. It is against the law in FL to attempt to intervene/interfere with police doing their duties if he's been warned against doing so.

  • This law pertains to any person who has received a verbal warning not to approach an officer and who approaches with the intent to interfere with their official duties, threaten with physical harm, or harass the officer.
He didn’t do any of those things. He just stood there at a distance.
You have no idea what he did at the scene
 
Just want to ask one more time: for the folks who are of the firm view that Tyreek is the main problem here, and the police weren’t culpable, how do you think about Calais Campbell being cuffed?

(Context again: Calais Campbell is an NFL Man of the Year winner and widely regarded as one of the best humans in the NFL)
No issue with it. I honestly have no real issue with any of the behavior by LE here.
Appreciate the reply. Always enjoy your posts.

Can’t imagine what LE behavior you would condemn based on this post, but that’s a topic that probably belongs outside this forum.

Pretty clear that Calais Campbell didn’t belong in cuffs.
A third party injects himself into a traffic stop that isn't going well. No harm is caused by cuffing this person, and it might prevent a problem down the road. Maybe not the best course of action, but a reasonable course of action. I don't see it as a big deal -- handcuffs can be removed and they cause no permanent damage.
Seems harsh but I actually agree, if he was approaching. I don’t care who the dude is, he’s probably 1.5x the cops size and a lot stronger. If they felt like he could reasonably be a threat, that isn’t unreasonable. Calais didn’t belong there beyond just observing.
Sure he did. He’s a citizen. He can go anywhere he wants in public. He can speak to anyone he wants to, at any time. He belongs wherever he feels he belongs.

And in this case, his teammate and friend was pulled over, cuffed and on the ground. What type of friend wouldn’t want to help out a friend in distress?
Not really. It is against the law in FL to attempt to intervene/interfere with police doing their duties if he's been warned against doing so.

  • This law pertains to any person who has received a verbal warning not to approach an officer and who approaches with the intent to interfere with their official duties, threaten with physical harm, or harass the officer.
He didn’t do any of those things. He just stood there at a distance.
You have no idea what he did at the scene
It’s been reported widely.
 
The police do not own the whole roadway just because they are processing an infraction. Campbell was 1-polite, 2-compliant, 3- respectful AND he was allowed to be on the side of the road away from the police action. Campbell received conflicting orders from multiple officers which created an unnecessarily chaotic scene. The police escalated and compounded to the situation, especially officer hothead. He should be fired, imo.
The police have every right to detain 3rd parties trying to intervene and won't back off when warned.
No they do not, just as you have the right to pull out your phone and film them in action you can, from a suitable distance as Campbell clearly was, question the police proceedings as an interested party or witness. The George Floyd murderer was surrounded by interested third party observers and none of them were arrested as they did not attempt to interfere with the killing in progress.
 
Just want to ask one more time: for the folks who are of the firm view that Tyreek is the main problem here, and the police weren’t culpable, how do you think about Calais Campbell being cuffed?

(Context again: Calais Campbell is an NFL Man of the Year winner and widely regarded as one of the best humans in the NFL)
No issue with it. I honestly have no real issue with any of the behavior by LE here.
Appreciate the reply. Always enjoy your posts.

Can’t imagine what LE behavior you would condemn based on this post, but that’s a topic that probably belongs outside this forum.

Pretty clear that Calais Campbell didn’t belong in cuffs.
A third party injects himself into a traffic stop that isn't going well. No harm is caused by cuffing this person, and it might prevent a problem down the road. Maybe not the best course of action, but a reasonable course of action. I don't see it as a big deal -- handcuffs can be removed and they cause no permanent damage.
Seems harsh but I actually agree, if he was approaching. I don’t care who the dude is, he’s probably 1.5x the cops size and a lot stronger. If they felt like he could reasonably be a threat, that isn’t unreasonable. Calais didn’t belong there beyond just observing.
Sure he did. He’s a citizen. He can go anywhere he wants in public. He can speak to anyone he wants to, at any time. He belongs wherever he feels he belongs.

And in this case, his teammate and friend was pulled over, cuffed and on the ground. What type of friend wouldn’t want to help out a friend in distress?
Have to disagreed with you here, Alex. He cannot inject himself into an active police stop w/out consequences. This is standard procedure for police when a 3rd party intervenes and they are an unknown. Usually, they're warned that they'll be put in cuffs if they don't back off, but this is not an unreasonable action by the police and citizens can't just go anywhere they want on a police scene.
Appreciate your perspective BR. There has been zero reporting or evidence that Calais intervened or threatened the officers.
One guy FELT threatened because he was in a heightened state of anxiety. And that’s a problem.

But again, all of this could have been avoided if Tyreek simply acted the way 90+% of Americans act when stopped by the police.
 
I've only seen the clip from the Dan Lebatard Show so will only comment on that part.

I am of the impression rolling your window down all the way isn't a requirement at least most places, but I could be wrong there and don't know for Florida in particular. But that said, I would have no issue with it being a requirement if the windows are tinted in a way that the cop can't see what the people inside the car are doing. Which at least from the video, I couldn't see inside the car so I'm assuming the cops couldn't either. That seems like it would be a basic safety issue and procedure to me. I don't know the law there, or police procedures, but removing someone from their car in such a situation so their actions are visible, someone who wouldn't comply with the window, would at least seem very reasonable as a procedure. So without knowing more, I'm not throwing blame for getting him out of the car.

Second comment, the behavior of the one cop was unnecessarily aggressive overall, but particularly towards the other players who stopped. I get taking a firm authoritative tone probably being helpful and imagine that is what they are taught. But what ensued was just outright aggression and not helpful. Police should be trained in deescalating issues. And the cop's behavior was more like he was trying to escalate it. I think his department should absolutely act to curtail that kind of behavior.
 
Just want to ask one more time: for the folks who are of the firm view that Tyreek is the main problem here, and the police weren’t culpable, how do you think about Calais Campbell being cuffed?

(Context again: Calais Campbell is an NFL Man of the Year winner and widely regarded as one of the best humans in the NFL)
No issue with it. I honestly have no real issue with any of the behavior by LE here.
Appreciate the reply. Always enjoy your posts.

Can’t imagine what LE behavior you would condemn based on this post, but that’s a topic that probably belongs outside this forum.

Pretty clear that Calais Campbell didn’t belong in cuffs.
A third party injects himself into a traffic stop that isn't going well. No harm is caused by cuffing this person, and it might prevent a problem down the road. Maybe not the best course of action, but a reasonable course of action. I don't see it as a big deal -- handcuffs can be removed and they cause no permanent damage.
Seems harsh but I actually agree, if he was approaching. I don’t care who the dude is, he’s probably 1.5x the cops size and a lot stronger. If they felt like he could reasonably be a threat, that isn’t unreasonable. Calais didn’t belong there beyond just observing.
Sure he did. He’s a citizen. He can go anywhere he wants in public. He can speak to anyone he wants to, at any time. He belongs wherever he feels he belongs.

And in this case, his teammate and friend was pulled over, cuffed and on the ground. What type of friend wouldn’t want to help out a friend in distress?
Not really. It is against the law in FL to attempt to intervene/interfere with police doing their duties if he's been warned against doing so.

  • This law pertains to any person who has received a verbal warning not to approach an officer and who approaches with the intent to interfere with their official duties, threaten with physical harm, or harass the officer.
He didn’t do any of those things. He just stood there at a distance.
You have no idea what he did at the scene
It’s been reported widely.
I just showed you the law. His intent was clearly to interfere. As a result the police asked, then ordered him to leave. And he didn't comply.

Does that deserve handcuffs? Probably not.

But to claim all this stuff about his "right to go anywhere in public," etc. is pretty much nonsense.
 
I just showed you the law. His intent was clearly to interfere. As a result the police asked, then ordered him to leave. And he didn't comply.

Does that deserve handcuffs? Probably not.

But to claim all this stuff about his "right to go anywhere in public," etc. is pretty much nonsense.

His intent was clearly to observe and support. There has been zero evidence of him interfering. Glad to see evidence otherwise.
 
And on a personal note...

When I was in high school, my English composition teacher told me a story from his college days. He was returning home with a stack of books on his passenger seat. He pulled up to a police checkpoint of some sort. As he braked, his books fell off the seat on the floor. He stopped, bent over to pick them up.

And sat up to find himself looking down the barrel of a service revolver.

Turns out the checkpoint was part of a manhunt of some sort. And they saw him going down to get something on the floor, and given they were seeking a fugitive, the reaction was pretty understandable. He said after the cop found out he was just picking up the books, and assured he wasn't the fugitive, the cop basically chewed him out for behaving in that fashion at a checkpoint.

So I learned from my teacher, and I just assume any traffic stop is going to involve a cop who is on edge and might have reason to believe he's apprehending an armed fugitive, even if that isn't actually the case. I put down my window, I put both hands on the wheel, even over where he can see them. I don't go for my license or registration until asked to. And even when I do, I say, "My license is in my wallet in my back pocket, ok for me to get it out now?" "My registration is in my glovebox, ok for me to get it out now?" And every move is slow and I retrieve my wallet with two fingers so it's dangling and he can immediately see what it is as opposed to wrapping my hand around it concealing it from his view at first.

It's just not worth the possible impact on my life if conditions go wrong, to not take as much ownership of my personal safety as I can. If I do run into an overzealous cop, right then and there is not the place for me to deal with it anyway.

It has served me well in my life. I believe it probably puts the police a little more at ease as well, and probably has only helped my not getting ticketed (have twice been let go with a warning, once for a headlight that had just gone out while I was out of town and I literally got back that night, once for speeding while I was fielding questions from new hires I was driving back from an out of town trip, and didn't notice his lights behind me at first).
 
And on a personal note...

When I was in high school, my English composition teacher told me a story from his college days. He was returning home with a stack of books on his passenger seat. He pulled up to a police checkpoint of some sort. As he braked, his books fell off the seat on the floor. He stopped, bent over to pick them up.

And sat up to find himself looking down the barrel of a service revolver.

Turns out the checkpoint was part of a manhunt of some sort. And they saw him going down to get something on the floor, and given they were seeking a fugitive, the reaction was pretty understandable. He said after the cop found out he was just picking up the books, and assured he wasn't the fugitive, the cop basically chewed him out for behaving in that fashion at a checkpoint.

So I learned from my teacher, and I just assume any traffic stop is going to involve a cop who is on edge and might have reason to believe he's apprehending an armed fugitive, even if that isn't actually the case. I put down my window, I put both hands on the wheel, even over where he can see them. I don't go for my license or registration until asked to. And even when I do, I say, "My license is in my wallet in my back pocket, ok for me to get it out now?" "My registration is in my glovebox, ok for me to get it out now?" And every move is slow and I retrieve my wallet with two fingers so it's dangling and he can immediately see what it is as opposed to wrapping my hand around it concealing it from his view for at first.

It's just not worth the possible impact on my life if conditions go wrong, to not take as much ownership of my personal safety as I can. If I do run into an overzealous cop, right then and there is not the place for me to deal with it anyway.

It has served me well in my life. I believe it probably puts the police a little more at ease as well, and probably has only helped my not getting ticketed (have twice been let go with a warning, once for a headlight that had just gone out while I was out of town and I literally got back that night, once for speeding while I was fielding questions from new hires I was driving back from an out of town trip, and didn't notice his lights behind me at first).
Spot on. Someone should have taught Tyreek this.
 
I just showed you the law. His intent was clearly to interfere. As a result the police asked, then ordered him to leave. And he didn't comply.

Does that deserve handcuffs? Probably not.

But to claim all this stuff about his "right to go anywhere in public," etc. is pretty much nonsense.

His intent was clearly to observe and support. There has been zero evidence of him interfering. Glad to see evidence otherwise.
The very act of rolling up next to the scene, getting out of the car, and then distracting the officers is clear evidence of interference of their official duties. From the video evidence, prior to the police warning him off it is clear that Campbell was verbally engaging with the officers. Laughable to say "observe and support."
 
I think some people here are confusing Juneau Smith for Calais Campbell in these body cam videos. (which reinforces my point, cops didn't know he was NFL Man of the year... Football Guys don't even know what he looks like)
Calais Campbell parked behind the police motorcycles... Juanu Smith was the guy in front that was told to give his license.
 
The police do not own the whole roadway just because they are processing an infraction. Campbell was 1-polite, 2-compliant, 3- respectful AND he was allowed to be on the side of the road away from the police action. Campbell received conflicting orders from multiple officers which created an unnecessarily chaotic scene. The police escalated and compounded to the situation, especially officer hothead. He should be fired, imo.
The police have every right to detain 3rd parties trying to intervene and won't back off when warned.
No they do not, just as you have the right to pull out your phone and film them in action you can, from a suitable distance as Campbell clearly was, question the police proceedings as an interested party or witness. The George Floyd murderer was surrounded by interested third party observers and none of them were arrested as they did not attempt to interfere with the killing in progress.
Yes they do. In fact, someone just posted the Florida law above.
 
I was raised to comply with police officers. :shrug: Why does that seem so hard?
i was as well, didn’t work out for me once so now I’ll never trust them again. Why is it so hard to see that not all police interactions are the same even if they start out the same? :shrug:
honestly, most of the time if you are polite and give them what they want (licence and registration) I've found traffic stops go smoothly. occasionally if polite the officer will even let you off on a warning. but the minute you are rude or belligerent, any chances of that happening generally go out the window.

I had one officer abuse me at a routine traffic stop and I did nothing to incite that response from the guy. but that's the only time it has happened. so I'd be inclined to say he was not a good cop. but I think on average most of the cops out there are decent.
 
who gives a flying F about what CC's "resume" looks like....that means absolutely nothing or less then nothing in this situation.....
 
Just want to ask one more time: for the folks who are of the firm view that Tyreek is the main problem here, and the police weren’t culpable, how do you think about Calais Campbell being cuffed?

(Context again: Calais Campbell is an NFL Man of the Year winner and widely regarded as one of the best humans in the NFL)
No issue with it. I honestly have no real issue with any of the behavior by LE here.
Appreciate the reply. Always enjoy your posts.

Can’t imagine what LE behavior you would condemn based on this post, but that’s a topic that probably belongs outside this forum.

Pretty clear that Calais Campbell didn’t belong in cuffs.
A third party injects himself into a traffic stop that isn't going well. No harm is caused by cuffing this person, and it might prevent a problem down the road. Maybe not the best course of action, but a reasonable course of action. I don't see it as a big deal -- handcuffs can be removed and they cause no permanent damage.
Seems harsh but I actually agree, if he was approaching. I don’t care who the dude is, he’s probably 1.5x the cops size and a lot stronger. If they felt like he could reasonably be a threat, that isn’t unreasonable. Calais didn’t belong there beyond just observing.
Sure he did. He’s a citizen. He can go anywhere he wants in public. He can speak to anyone he wants to, at any time. He belongs wherever he feels he belongs.

And in this case, his teammate and friend was pulled over, cuffed and on the ground. What type of friend wouldn’t want to help out a friend in distress?
Have to disagreed with you here, Alex. He cannot inject himself into an active police stop w/out consequences. This is standard procedure for police when a 3rd party intervenes and they are an unknown. Usually, they're warned that they'll be put in cuffs if they don't back off, but this is not an unreasonable action by the police and citizens can't just go anywhere they want on a police scene.
Appreciate your perspective BR. There has been zero reporting or evidence that Calais intervened or threatened the officers.
One guy FELT threatened because he was in a heightened state of anxiety. And that’s a problem.

But again, all of this could have been avoided if Tyreek simply acted the way 90+% of Americans act when stopped by the police.

When you are an officer of the law, you have NO idea what you will encounter each time you engage with someone. Some people are very reasonable and some can be very manipulative. That's why there is protocol. So, as a an officer, it would seem that you have to always stay firm and gain control of the situation (more on that later).
1) Tyreek, clearly wasn't cooperating, and I think the thing that really bothered the officer was the window being tinted and rolled back up. That is dangerous for the officer.
2) Tyreek was definitely scared and his instinct was to keep a barrier up while he called his trusted friends for guidance. Saying "don't tap on the window like that" was his misplaced way of trying to show he wasn't scared to his perceived threat, which was a trigger for the officer. Here is where developing a better approach to interactions with law enforcement is needed by Tyreek.
3) He begged his friend not to leave him several times. This is the point where the officer needs to be able to identify when a situation calls for deescalating (but you never know when someone is going to use that moment to spring a weapon on you). So, it shouldn't get to that point, right?

The actual point of my rambling is to say that, during a traffic stop, law enforcement doesn't need to come at you like terminator t2000 to gain control of the situation. Threatening demeanor is met with a wide range of emotions and reactions. Fear might force the person to say what they think you want to hear, but that's not how you get people to open up and listen to you. And when the officer wasn't getting the cooperation he wanted, he should have just written the reckless driving citation along with an unwillingness to comply citation and left it to the court instead of trying to administer on-site justice.
 
I was raised to comply with police officers. :shrug: Why does that seem so hard?
i was as well, didn’t work out for me once so now I’ll never trust them again. Why is it so hard to see that not all police interactions are the same even if they start out the same? :shrug:
honestly, most of the time if you are polite and give them what they want (licence and registration) I've found traffic stops go smoothly. occasionally if polite the officer will even let you off on a warning. but the minute you are rude or belligerent, any chances of that happening generally go out the window.

I had one officer abuse me at a routine traffic stop and I did nothing to incite that response from the guy. but that's the only time it has happened. so I'd be inclined to say he was not a good cop. but I think on average most of the cops out there are decent.


Whole lot of victim blaming going on here.

The cops were out of line for a lot of reasons, but lets start with the simple ones:
1) They are there to do traffic and security for the games, and they don't have any clue who the players are?
2) They came in agressive. That is typical Miami dade moto cop behavior and it shouldn't be acceptable. They would not let anyone speak to them. They just wanted to speak AT THEM.
3) at every opportunity to de-escalate this traffic stop, they chose to be more agressive. That goes for how they acted towards reek, J Smith, and Campbell.
4) They were overtly overly physical with Hill when they really didn't have to be.
5) once they knew who they stopped, one of the officers used an expletive bc they knew they had screwed up and it wasn't just "some random black dude" they pulled over.

Now, I'll give them a pass when a giant man of Campbells size comes in trying to help, but these cops were so full of bravado that no one was going to question their authority.

Simply put, the officers having no qualms about ratcheting up the aggression and tension of what is essentially a routine traffic stop should be concerning to anyone behind the wheel. They are public servants, not Judge Dredd.
 
Disturbing seeing this and I don't care if he barked at cops. They are public servants, not above the law, not above being yelled at. Unless they thought were in physical danger absolutely no need for that kind of crap.
Tyreek rolled the tinted window back up. The police don't know if he has a gun or what he plans on doing. I think it's possible they did feel like like they were in physical danger.
 
I was raised to comply with police officers. :shrug: Why does that seem so hard?
i was as well, didn’t work out for me once so now I’ll never trust them again. Why is it so hard to see that not all police interactions are the same even if they start out the same? :shrug:
honestly, most of the time if you are polite and give them what they want (licence and registration) I've found traffic stops go smoothly. occasionally if polite the officer will even let you off on a warning. but the minute you are rude or belligerent, any chances of that happening generally go out the window.

I had one officer abuse me at a routine traffic stop and I did nothing to incite that response from the guy. but that's the only time it has happened. so I'd be inclined to say he was not a good cop. but I think on average most of the cops out there are decent.


Whole lot of victim blaming going on here.

The cops were out of line for a lot of reasons, but lets start with the simple ones:
1) They are there to do traffic and security for the games, and they don't have any clue who the players are?
2) They came in agressive. That is typical Miami dade moto cop behavior and it shouldn't be acceptable. They would not let anyone speak to them. They just wanted to speak AT THEM.
3) at every opportunity to de-escalate this traffic stop, they chose to be more agressive. That goes for how they acted towards reek, J Smith, and Campbell.
4) They were overtly overly physical with Hill when they really didn't have to be.
5) once they knew who they stopped, one of the officers used an expletive bc they knew they had screwed up and it wasn't just "some random black dude" they pulled over.

Now, I'll give them a pass when a giant man of Campbells size comes in trying to help, but these cops were so full of bravado that no one was going to question their authority.

Simply put, the officers having no qualms about ratcheting up the aggression and tension of what is essentially a routine traffic stop should be concerning to anyone behind the wheel. They are public servants, not Judge Dredd.

if Hill doesn't act like a tool bag....none of this happens....you can't just choose to ignore that....it was THE major factor in escalating this situation from the jump....

and please don't start with all the "it's not illegal to talk back" ...or "it's not illegal to be disrespectful" ......"legally you only have to roll your window down 3 inches" or whatever....it's not illegal to do a lot of things.....but if you choose to act like a tool bag, please don't expect the other person to have to act like the bigger person....."oh they are trained and paid by tax dollars, they are supposed to be the bigger person".....not sure you should be allowed to say that unless you put that uniform on every day and deal with what these guys deal with....every day
 
I'd recommend people obey the law and cooperate when pulled over. If we all took this advice there wouldn't be threads where people stick up for the criminal and demonize the police.
 
I was raised to comply with police officers. :shrug: Why does that seem so hard?
i was as well, didn’t work out for me once so now I’ll never trust them again. Why is it so hard to see that not all police interactions are the same even if they start out the same? :shrug:
honestly, most of the time if you are polite and give them what they want (licence and registration) I've found traffic stops go smoothly. occasionally if polite the officer will even let you off on a warning. but the minute you are rude or belligerent, any chances of that happening generally go out the window.

I had one officer abuse me at a routine traffic stop and I did nothing to incite that response from the guy. but that's the only time it has happened. so I'd be inclined to say he was not a good cop. but I think on average most of the cops out there are decent.


Whole lot of victim blaming going on here.

The cops were out of line for a lot of reasons, but lets start with the simple ones:
1) They are there to do traffic and security for the games, and they don't have any clue who the players are?
2) They came in agressive. That is typical Miami dade moto cop behavior and it shouldn't be acceptable. They would not let anyone speak to them. They just wanted to speak AT THEM.
3) at every opportunity to de-escalate this traffic stop, they chose to be more agressive. That goes for how they acted towards reek, J Smith, and Campbell.
4) They were overtly overly physical with Hill when they really didn't have to be.
5) once they knew who they stopped, one of the officers used an expletive bc they knew they had screwed up and it wasn't just "some random black dude" they pulled over.

Now, I'll give them a pass when a giant man of Campbells size comes in trying to help, but these cops were so full of bravado that no one was going to question their authority.

Simply put, the officers having no qualms about ratcheting up the aggression and tension of what is essentially a routine traffic stop should be concerning to anyone behind the wheel. They are public servants, not Judge Dredd.

if Hill doesn't act like a tool bag....none of this happens....you can't just choose to ignore that....it was THE major factor in escalating this situation from the jump....

and please don't start with all the "it's not illegal to talk back" ...or "it's not illegal to be disrespectful" ......"legally you only have to roll your window down 3 inches" or whatever....it's not illegal to do a lot of things.....but if you choose to act like a tool bag, please don't expect the other person to have to act like the bigger person....."oh they are trained and paid by tax dollars, they are supposed to be the bigger person".....not sure you should be allowed to say that unless you put that uniform on every day and deal with what these guys deal with....every day
if they can’t handle verbal interactions then they shouldn’t be in that job
 
I'd recommend people obey the law and cooperate when pulled over. If we all took this advice there wouldn't be threads where people stick up for the criminal and demonize the police.
once again as i posted several pages back this is not true, a cop can cuff you because his sniffer smells weed in your car and “his sniffer is never wrong”
 
I'd recommend people obey the law and cooperate when pulled over. If we all took this advice there wouldn't be threads where people stick up for the criminal and demonize the police.
once again as i posted several pages back this is not true, a cop can cuff you because his sniffer smells weed in your car and “his sniffer is never wrong”
I'd say that your percentage chance of being cuffed go way down if you are not a jerk.
 
Calais rolls up:

Officer: "Hey CC....long time no see...and when I say long time I mean NEVAH.....haha (slaps him on the shoulder)....how ya been...how's the family....dang almost didn't recognize you without your helmet or jersey with your name on the back....how you doing big fella....hey weirdest thing....right as you rolled up, dispatch sent us a copy of your resume through our little computers we have on the back of our bikes here.....looks like you were NFL Man of the Year and stuff.....congrats...you know what, you are cleared .....come on over and inject and interfere with all this stuff we got going on over here....oh and I mean if anybody says anything we will just tell them you were here to "observe and support" since your resume checks out....let us know if you need anything or if there is anything we can do for you big guy."

Jonnu rolls up:

Officer: "Hey Jonnu....hey big guy....sorry but got some bad news.....I know you want to see whats going on and be treated different then the average citizen because of ....you know...who you are, you are kind of a big deal....but you see they sent us over your resume just a few minutes ago and it says here you had an altercation with your pregnant girlfriend back in 2016 and that didn't turn out to well for you....heard you missed the rest of the season .....that stinks....but even if you didn't do anything wrong we can't clear you like your guy CC over here....dude was man of the year brah so we can let him in to check things out....but not you today, sorry big guy....hey if you get that resume cleaned up a little, maybe next time, huh?".....
 
I think Campbell was treated the worst. Hill’s behavior triggered the overreaction. Campbell was calmly talking and the cop flipped out.
I disagree here. Campbell refused to move his vehicle. That is not cool and a safety issue. If he didnt have a car there I completely get it, but he cant park there and they asked him to move his vehicle multiple times.

He should have had his buddy drive the car away and he stay there, .02
 
Probably time to let this one drop - it's no longer fantasy relevant, and nobody is changing minds in here. Everyone is simply spinning their wheels and getting nowhere.
Yea I think you're right. Amazing this thing never got shut down!

I will say one final thing.

Think about the people who consistently come into contact with law enforcement....there's a reason. Tyreek driving like an ******* got him pulled over. Tyreek continuing to be an *******, after being pulled over for ******* driving, got him cuffed. Simple cause, and effect.
 
Why was one officer put on administrative leave if everything was done per protocol?

Once the cop opened the car door, Tyreek starts to get out, but one cop pulls him out. Is that protocol? I doubt it. It was an angry cop escalating the situation.

BTW, earlier today, Tyreek said that he could've handled things better.

>>Tyreek Hill, in ongoing press conference, said "I could have been better. I could have let down my window in that instance." He said he didn't want cameras and phones on him in that moment. "But.. I've got to follow rules and do what everyone else will do. Did that give them the right to literally beat the dog out of me? Absolutely not. I wish I could go back and do things a bit differently."<<

 

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